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2017-09-19 10:11:59 AM  
Manafort was wiretapped, not Trump, not the Trump campaign, and not Trump Tower.

It appears people are trying really hard to say "Trump was right all along!, He was being wiretapped just like he said!". Still total bullshiat (as of today).
 
2017-09-19 10:13:56 AM  
I can see how Trump supporters would be confused.  It's their natural state of being.
 
2017-09-19 10:14:17 AM  
The only thing awkward about this submission is subby's awkwardness at continually trying to make this a thing.

Trump wasn't tapped. Manafort was. It's not their fault that Trump kept talking to such shady people that were under investigation.
 
2017-09-19 10:21:59 AM  
Sadly Trumpy will call this a win.
 
2017-09-19 10:26:13 AM  
Trump: I was wire tapped 
FBI: Actually we wire tapped Carter Page and Paul Manafort
Trump: See I was right 

Mensch: Comey tried and failed to get a FISA warrant on Trump 
FBI: Actually we got a FISA warrant on Carter Page and Paul Manafort
Mensch: See I was right 

Works either way.
 
2017-09-19 10:30:08 AM  
"HaHA! We are under a criminal investigation! Suck it, libs!"
 
2017-09-19 11:23:17 AM  

FortyHams: "HaHA! We are under a criminal investigation! Suck it, libs!"


No they weren't.  FISA warrants aren't criminal warrants, and in fact, it takes (or *SHOULD* take) an extraordinary amount of effort to use data gathered under a FISA warrant in a criminal trial.

For the most part, it's legally untouchable to prosecutors and investigators.

Unless, of course, the government decides to cheat and claim the information comes from an anonymous tip, perjuring itself in court as a way to get around the protections enshrined in the Constitution.  Because that happens also:  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod/exclusive-u-s-directs-agen​ts​-to-cover-up-program-used-to-investigate-americans-idUSBRE97409R201308​05
 
2017-09-19 11:23:24 AM  

Circusdog320: Sadly Trumpy will call this a win.


Don't worry.  He'll never be able to spell "vindicated."
 
2017-09-19 11:24:50 AM  
How is that awkward, subby? Trump wasn't tapped. Tapper mocks Trump because Trump's an idiot, and rightfully so.

The fun part is realizing that he was also surrounded by idiots, like Manafort, who was tapped.
 
2017-09-19 11:26:44 AM  

dittybopper: FortyHams: "HaHA! We are under a criminal investigation! Suck it, libs!"

No they weren't.  FISA warrants aren't criminal warrants, and in fact, it takes (or *SHOULD* take) an extraordinary amount of effort to use data gathered under a FISA warrant in a criminal trial.

For the most part, it's legally untouchable to prosecutors and investigators.

Unless, of course, the government decides to cheat and claim the information comes from an anonymous tip, perjuring itself in court as a way to get around the protections enshrined in the Constitution.  Because that happens also:  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod/exclusive-u-s-directs-agent​s-to-cover-up-program-used-to-investigate-americans-idUSBRE97409R20130​805


Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.
 
2017-09-19 11:29:55 AM  
A guy who is not Trump being wiretapped at a location that is not Trump's location is not Trump being wiretapped. Stop being so stupid.
 
2017-09-19 11:41:30 AM  
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2017-09-19 11:42:42 AM  
You're a moron, subby. Enjoy your greenlight, I guess. Moron.
 
2017-09-19 11:46:15 AM  
A FISA warrant means that a judge found probable cause of a crime.  To obtain one, evidence must be presented not just feels.
 
2017-09-19 11:48:14 AM  
So what do you have to show for Trump's first couple hundred days?

"He said he was wiretapped and he was kinda right, but not at all really!"

Jesus Christ.  I hope your at least white, subby, so you have something to be glad about in Trump's America.
 
2017-09-19 12:04:42 PM  

WorldCitizen: A guy who is not Trump being wiretapped at a location that is not Trump's location is not Trump being wiretapped. Stop being so stupid.


Even when he's recorded talking with Trump.

Trump just needs better friends.
Actually, he needs to be unemployed.
 
2017-09-19 12:12:05 PM  

FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.


Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.
 
2017-09-19 12:20:25 PM  

dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.


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Totally just a partisan witch hunt
 
2017-09-19 12:21:05 PM  
Can we downvote until this garbage gets a redlight? I know this site thrives on nonsense, but I'd like to think Fark is better than actively promoting Trumpistan lies to a huge audience.
 
2017-09-19 12:22:28 PM  
fake news
 
2017-09-19 12:22:51 PM  
It was called in yesterday's thread -- that Manafort was tapped will be used to somehow prove "Obama illegally tapppped Trump," and his supporters will believe and repeat it uncritically.

Way to be predictable!
 
2017-09-19 12:23:12 PM  

zedster: dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.

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Totally just a partisan witch hunt


Hey, at least he doesn't call them Nazis. At least not on Fark.com.
 
2017-09-19 12:24:12 PM  
If Trump wasn't wire tapped that would make him the one and only US citizen not wire tapped by the Obama administration.
 
2017-09-19 12:24:12 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: zedster: dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.

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Totally just a partisan witch hunt

Hey, at least he doesn't call them Nazis. At least not on Fark.com.


something something that thing Fiddlers stand on and voting
 
2017-09-19 12:24:38 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: A FISA warrant means that a judge found probable cause of a crime.  To obtain one, evidence must be presented not just feels.


This may not be factually correct. Something something foreign agent.
 
2017-09-19 12:24:56 PM  

FormlessOne: How is that awkward, subby? Trump wasn't tapped. Tapper mocks Trump because Trump's an idiot, and rightfully so.

The fun part is realizing that he was also surrounded by idiots, like Manafort, who was tapped.


Yeah, I'd kinda like to hear submitter's explanation of the Awkward tag. If it happens, I'm sure it will be entertaining, at least.
 
2017-09-19 12:24:57 PM  

dittybopper: Doesn't really matter


I see you'd like to change the subject. Good day.
 
2017-09-19 12:24:59 PM  

Diogenes: Circusdog320: Sadly Trumpy will call this a win.

Don't worry.  He'll never be able to spell "vindicated."


Trump will not worry. He will listen to Dashboard Confessional. He will swear he's right, swear he knew it all along.
 
2017-09-19 12:25:52 PM  

blastoh: Trump: I was wire tapped 
FBI: Actually we wire tapped Carter Page and Paul Manafort
Trump: See I was right 

Mensch: Comey tried and failed to get a FISA warrant on Trump 
FBI: Actually we got a FISA warrant on Carter Page and Paul Manafort
Mensch: See I was right 

Works either way.


actually Mensch was right about that. they tried and failed. so they took Trump off of it and got it approved.
 
2017-09-19 12:26:27 PM  
Tapper and the tapp
 
2017-09-19 12:27:11 PM  

zedster: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: zedster: dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.

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Totally just a partisan witch hunt

Hey, at least he doesn't call them Nazis. At least not on Fark.com.

something something that thing Fiddlers stand on and voting


Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said "The rooftops of Liberty must be watered from time to time with the bloody rain of tyrants and patriots."
 
2017-09-19 12:27:13 PM  
dittybopper:
Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.

And you don't suspect that the FISA judge had political inclinations. Interesting. And you ascribe political motivations despite not being privy to any of the information. Interesting.
 
2017-09-19 12:27:16 PM  

FormlessOne: How is that awkward, subby? Trump wasn't tapped. Tapper mocks Trump because Trump's an idiot, and rightfully so.

The fun part is realizing that he was also surrounded by idiots, like Manafort, who was tapped.


I see that subby's troll headline got quite a few bites. Good job I guess subby.
 
2017-09-19 12:27:20 PM  
I'd imagine if you were running for public office as an unhinged maniac with reason to suspect you were colluding with foreign nationals then I think it's perfectly legal to be wiretapped.

I'm probably wrong about that, so someone more knowledgeable than me should correct me if they can.
 
2017-09-19 12:27:40 PM  
Another bullshiat post greenlighted. Is this intentional? Do they do this just to stir up flame wars in the comments? Or is this the mythical "my mom's lovers?"
 
2017-09-19 12:28:22 PM  

dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.


Your entire perspective here, begs the question.
"Most of them are approved therefore rubber stamp," or they only bring cases that have such a body of existing evidence that they are rarely rejected.
"More were rejected in 2016, therefore more of them must have been flimsy and politically motivated," that assumes the courts that by your own statement were rubber stamps are somehow hesitant on politically motivated cases, that the deviation in approval was large enough to not be a statistical anomaly, or the possibility that the courts started rejecting more warrants because needed reforms were put into place.
 
2017-09-19 12:29:31 PM  

FormlessOne: How is that awkward, subby? Trump wasn't tapped. Tapper mocks Trump because Trump's an idiot, and rightfully so.

The fun part is realizing that he was also surrounded by idiots, like Manafort, who was tapped.


The mockery is because Trump had access to classified information, and yet was CLEARLY claiming he was 'tapped' because of something repeated on Fox News and Breitbart, et al.
 
2017-09-19 12:29:45 PM  
Trump's lawyers are worried that people in the White House are wearing wires.

So that's another thing that the Trump administration has in common with the mob.
 
2017-09-19 12:30:34 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Can we downvote until this garbage gets a redlight? I know this site thrives on nonsense, but I'd like to think Fark is better than actively promoting Trumpistan lies to a huge audience.


THE CLICKS MUST FLOW
 
2017-09-19 12:30:50 PM  

davidv: Another bullshiat post greenlighted. Is this intentional? Do they do this just to stir up flame wars in the comments? Or is this the mythical "my mom's lovers?"


Yes.

I wonder if the White House trying to silence a report on the positive economic impact of refugees will be green-lit.  Or will be get another Russia Today instead?
 
2017-09-19 12:30:52 PM  

davidv: Another bullshiat post greenlighted. Is this intentional? Do they do this just to stir up flame wars in the comments? Or is this the mythical "my mom's lovers?"



Drew's circlejerk buddies need equal (more) time to catapult their propaganda or they get their feeling hurt.
 
2017-09-19 12:30:54 PM  

dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.


yes. partisan witch hunt. Let's all ignore the fact that the president and his minions have vast financial ties to Russia and its mob-run banks
 
2017-09-19 12:31:03 PM  

FortyHams: "HaHA! We are under a criminal investigation! Suck it, libs!"


Yeah, all indications are Manafort is going to prison.  I fail to see the logic of tying Trump even closer to him.
 
2017-09-19 12:31:22 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Trump's lawyers are worried that people in the White House are wearing wires.

So that's another thing that the Trump administration has in common with the mob.


better yet they know Secret Service being LEO has to report criminal activity and are actively choosing secrecy over security to keep them away

wonder how long before Secret Service and a hired goon guard go at it
 
2017-09-19 12:31:27 PM  

FortyHams: "HaHA! We are under a criminal investigation! Suck it, libs!"


The finest, yuugest criminal investigation. Trust me. We have only the best warrants. The very best warrants.
 
2017-09-19 12:31:58 PM  

Sean VasDeferens: If Trump wasn't wire tapped that would make him the one and only US citizen not wire tapped by the Obama administration.


Be careful they are still wiretapping you right now, your friend Donny 2 scoops has not gotten around to ending all of that surveillance just yet-but any day now.

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2017-09-19 12:33:42 PM  
September 19, 2017... We make fun of subby for not understanding how wiretaps work.
 
2017-09-19 12:33:47 PM  

dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.


That's unsurprising. The vast majority of warrant applications are approved at every level of court. That's because prosecutors don't submit warrant requests unless they are damned sure the request will be granted. No one wants to get a reputation for wasting the judge's time. Probable cause is an intentionally low bar, significantly less stringent than beyond a reasonable doubt or even a preponderance of the evidence - there is case law which holds that the "probable" in "probable cause" does not necessarily even mean "more probable than not." And the state's recitation of facts are presumed true for purposes of the warrant application.

There are plenty of things wrong with the FISA court, but the rate of warrant applications granted is a meaningless measure. It's not a conspiracy - it's 400 years of common law.
 
2017-09-19 12:33:48 PM  

somedude210: dittybopper: FortyHams: Who asked for the warrant, why?

Those are questions you can find answers for with the magic of google.

Doesn't really matter, given that the FISA court is a rubber stamp court that has almost *NEVER* rejected a warrant application.  Out of 38,169 FISA warrant applications from 1979 to 2015, the court denied 12 of them:    That's a rejection rate of 0.03%.  Three hundreths of a percent.  That means that 99.97% of applications are approved.

Interestingly, there were 34 rejections in 2016 out of 1,485 applications, three times higher than the total number from 1979 through 2015.  I suspect that's because a number of them were politically motivated by the Democrats then in charge of the executive, and the court rejected at least some of them.

yes. partisan witch hunt. Let's all ignore the fact that the president and his minions have vast financial ties to Russia and its mob-run banks


But why weren't Liberals concerned with Presidential ties to Russia before Trump was President?  Interdasting.
 
2017-09-19 12:33:49 PM  
Oh wow. Looks like someone added a word filter to turn a certain phrase into "my mom's lovers" What's the matter, get your feelings hurt?
 
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