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(Politico (Europe))   Despite March 2019 already being set as the date for Brexit, Britain's exit bill is curiously and repeatedly unspecific about the exit date. It's almost as if they might be having second thoughts   ( politico.eu) divider line
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2017-09-19 08:57:39 AM  
Does a bill have to mention the date? Could it not mention the date because the date is already set? I notice a lot of Christmas ads fail to mention December 25.
 
2017-09-19 09:50:32 AM  

DeaH: Does a bill have to mention the date? Could it not mention the date because the date is already set? I notice a lot of Christmas ads fail to mention December 25.


True. Unless every single EU country agrees to change the date then it will happen on that date.

This smacks of typical Remainer denial.

"They'll never vote to leave"
"Okay, they voted to leave but it was only advisory, they'll never actually file Article 50"
"Okay, they filed Article 50 but Parliament will never approve the Bill"
"Okay, Parliament approved the Bill but they'll never actually go ahead" etc etc.
 
2017-09-19 10:03:19 AM  
It's too late now.
 
2017-09-19 10:33:53 AM  
As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.
 
2017-09-19 10:56:02 AM  
Sounds like they're having bregrets over the decision to leave.
 
2017-09-19 11:40:54 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.


Jesus.  The flood of troll alts to spin the tide of bad news is going to be horrifying.

And gloriously ineffective.
 
2017-09-19 12:43:00 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.


I need to figure out how to make nigh Soros-like money off of this
 
2017-09-19 01:35:41 PM  

whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.

I need to figure out how to make nigh Soros-like money off of this


First, you take a billion dollars....
 
2017-09-19 01:47:28 PM  
Steve Miller is the force behind burying the report? Imagine that. A white supremacist wants to hide evidence that brown people make positive contributions. My heart is palpitating from the shock.
 
2017-09-19 03:55:16 PM  
Second thoughts, subby? These are Tories, and they are yet to have their first thought.
 
2017-09-19 04:21:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.

I need to figure out how to make nigh Soros-like money off of this

First, you take a billion dollars....


I said "nigh" a few million would be fine by me
 
2017-09-19 06:52:08 PM  
So, these will be the couple of years we're going to have to explain to our kids as they look befuddled at the base levels of western stupidity on display.
 
2017-09-19 06:54:30 PM  

whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.

I need to figure out how to make nigh Soros-like money off of this

First, you take a billion dollars....

I said "nigh" a few million would be fine by me


Ok, well take a billion dollars and invest it in a Trump casino then. If things go really well, you'll end up with a few million.
 
2017-09-19 06:59:32 PM  
What are the chances that Russia had a hand in this too?

Everything seems to be going their way.
 
2017-09-19 07:02:33 PM  
What I thought from day one is there was a possibility that our political class in Westminster would take us down a road where we finish up a bit like Norway. Stuck inside something like the European Economic Area, still having to obey EU rules and finding it very difficult to be free to make our own relationships with the rest of the world. And paying a lot of money for that privilege!

Clearly Philip Hammond wants us to be in a Norwegian-type position. Boris very clearly stated in the Telegraph on Saturday that Brexit should really mean Brexit and that means we crack on. We leave, we don't stay part of the single market, the customs union or anything else. And Theresa May is in the middle of all of this but has clearly been softening towards a more EEA, Norway-type position.
 
2017-09-19 07:04:35 PM  
Maybe March is when they deliver Nigel Farange over to the proper authorities.
 
2017-09-19 07:09:09 PM  
I spoke to a number of Brits who regretted their Brexit vote.
 They looked like Americans after Trump beat Hillary
 
2017-09-19 07:12:40 PM  

Lexx0001: What are the chances that Russia had a hand in this too?

Everything seems to be going their way.


Kind of ignorant to assume they wouldn't have been pushing for it. Just like pushing Trump, the collusion stuff hasn't been proven in a court of law but the Trump/Brexit campaigns were favorable to Russian interests. It would be stupid of Putin to not to try and get them to happen and Putin has shown himself to be pretty fantastic at reading/manipulating rubes.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-​b​rexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

http://www.businessinsider.com/labour-mp-ben-bradshaw-suspicious-russ​i​an-interference-brexit-2017-2

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36629146
 
2017-09-19 07:14:25 PM  
There is always the slight possibility that it is a move to allow the bureaucracy to adapt at a generalized pace as opposed to a firm date.

See also reasons that bureaucracies prefer implementations to say things like "The department may...." as opposed to "The department shall..."
 
2017-09-19 07:24:43 PM  
Yeah you are farked, you voted for Brexit with a bunch of morons in charge who can't negotiate how the lunch bill is split let alone how to remove the UK from the EU.  Even if it was a good idea these morons aren't who you want in charge (as I stare at all the farkers who said Donald Turd Trump was a good idea).
 
2017-09-19 07:28:07 PM  
They can have all the second thoughts they like, it is going to happen anyway and all you can do is mitigate the damage.

The old farkers who voted for it will be dead before the worst happens, leaving their shiat for their children, the white-trash racists who made up the rest of the vote will suffer worse than anyone, which is a tiny, if unpleasant, comfort.
 
2017-09-19 07:39:10 PM  

SamFlagg: There is always the slight possibility that it is a move to allow the bureaucracy to adapt at a generalized pace as opposed to a firm date.


Article 50 was triggered.  On 30 March 2019, either new agreements take effect, or WTO rules kick in.
 
2017-09-19 07:50:04 PM  
I wouldn't say second thoughts, just the slow realization that they have no frigging clue what they're doing.
 
2017-09-19 07:58:12 PM  
Read John Le Carre's 1968 book "A Little Town in Germany". The backdrop and mainspring of the action is Britain's desperate need to enter The Common Market. Britain was once the dirty-faced orphan desperate for Europe's kindness. 50 years apparently opens up chasms of forgetfulness.
 
2017-09-19 08:03:35 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: SamFlagg: There is always the slight possibility that it is a move to allow the bureaucracy to adapt at a generalized pace as opposed to a firm date.

Article 50 was triggered.  On 30 March 2019, either new agreements take effect, or WTO rules kick in.


Well, theoretically a withdrawal agreement could kick in before then if it were agreed by both the UK and EU, but given the pace of negotiations so far that seems rather implausible.

Alternatively, the existing treaty provisions could remain in place beyond Mar 2019, again if both the UK and all 27 EU member states agree. That I think would really depend on what kind of a transition period Theresa May would seek (if that is what she goes for, and frankly who the fark knows). If Britain were to seek a 'status quo' transition arrangement, staying in the single market and customs union, accepting continued freedom of movement and ECJ jurisdiction, then extending the existing treaty provisions via the mechanism laid out in article 50 would seem like the simplest way of achieving that, at least legislatively speaking. The political aspects of it would be a whole different matter.

But if we aim for some customised transition deal, particularly one that meant we could strike trade deals with third parties, then yeah there'd need to be a new arrangement agreed by Mar 29 2019.
 
2017-09-19 08:06:42 PM  
Marcus Aurelius:Article 50 was triggered.

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2017-09-19 08:52:54 PM  
Shut up and fail, already, Britain.

You could choose to accept that democracy means the downtrodden majority can vote for better things or vote to burn it all down.

You choose the option that involves matches.

So dump the gas can and light it up you dumb motherfarkers. Nobody cares anymore. You chose to fail, now fail and go away.
 
2017-09-20 01:15:21 AM  

born_yesterday: Marcus Aurelius: As of April 2019, the UK is farked, whether they care to acknowledge it or not.

Jesus.  The flood of troll alts to spin the tide of bad news is going to be horrifying.

And gloriously ineffective.


We're down to just the one, and he's so overworked that he asked me what countries would be stupid enough to give up the ability to negotiate directly with other nation states through a treaty agreement.

This was in a thread about the EU, mind you.
 
2017-09-20 05:15:43 AM  
pleasepleasepleaseplease
 
2017-09-20 05:31:20 AM  

skozlaw: Shut up and fail, already, Britain.

You could choose to accept that democracy means the downtrodden majority can vote for better things or vote to burn it all down.

You choose the option that involves matches.

So dump the gas can and light it up you dumb motherfarkers. Nobody cares anymore. You chose to fail, now fail and go away.


How can you just write a country off like that? Is that how I should feel about the US and Trump?

Only 25% of american adults got you in to your mess, just like only 25% of British adults have got us here. Therre's millions of people who didn't ask for this, don't want it and don't deserve it.

So don't wish failure on a country full of people. We're people, you know?
 
2017-09-20 07:10:43 AM  
Lady J:

Only 25% of american adults got you in to your mess, just like only 25% of British adults have got us here. Therre's millions of people who didn't ask for this, don't want it and don't deserve it.

So...we're kinda like two strangers on a train here, if you catch my drift...
 
2017-09-20 08:27:33 AM  

born_yesterday: Lady J:

Only 25% of american adults got you in to your mess, just like only 25% of British adults have got us here. Therre's millions of people who didn't ask for this, don't want it and don't deserve it.

So...we're kinda like two strangers on a train here, if you catch my drift...


you want me to kill your wife?
 
2017-09-20 09:15:15 AM  

skozlaw: Shut up and fail, already, Britain.

You could choose to accept that democracy means the downtrodden majority can vote for better things or vote to burn it all down.

You choose the option that involves matches.

So dump the gas can and light it up you dumb motherfarkers. Nobody cares anymore. You chose to fail, now fail and go away.


Wow, what a sad, angry little person you are. Maybe take some time away from the keyboard. Go outside, perhaps?
 
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