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2017-09-18 11:10:06 AM  
I'm incredulous they keep fielding a team that is a big pile of poo and Aaron Rogers on offense, and a barely functional front 7 and no defensive backfield. Still.

Yes, Cobb and Nelson are a good 1 2 combo, but there is no running game, no desire for one, no desire to block, no desire to get blockers, no desire to do anything other than "Aaron, we need you to put your super hero suit on again and go out there and do the impossible".

Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.
 
2017-09-18 11:10:17 AM  
It was a big nothing.
 
2017-09-18 11:58:03 AM  
This is truly scandalous. Never before in the history of the NFL has a bad call impacted a game so deeply and so thoroughly as -- and I must catch my breath here -- as curtailing a first-half drive.

Dear me, I need a rest just having typed those dastardly words. Please excuse me....

Ah, better. Thank you for your patience. I nearly fainted. All that said, I'm certain the commissioner is going to get to the bottom of this obvious travesty and hold all responsible parties accountable.
 
2017-09-18 12:58:36 PM  
I'm incredulous that the Packers defense is allowed on a pro football feild.
 
2017-09-18 12:59:11 PM  
Meh

We played and we lost. Had a couple bad calls & no calls go both ways

On to Cincinnati
 
2017-09-18 01:04:51 PM  
The only good thing to come out of PFT was PFT Commenter
 
2017-09-18 01:05:24 PM  
yeah i still wear the T shirt too. That was a giant load of shiat.

Oh you mean this last game?  No we got pounded. On to the next one.
 
2017-09-18 01:11:07 PM  
I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.
 
2017-09-18 01:11:54 PM  
Reality is, refs just keep getting worse...
 
2017-09-18 01:22:29 PM  
I couldn't believe they finally called Green Bay for a penalty on the pick play they've been running illegally for what seems like a decade.
 
2017-09-18 01:23:47 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I'm incredulous they keep fielding a team that is a big pile of poo and Aaron Rogers on offense, and a barely functional front 7 and no defensive backfield. Still.

Yes, Cobb and Nelson are a good 1 2 combo, but there is no running game, no desire for one, no desire to block, no desire to get blockers, no desire to do anything other than "Aaron, we need you to put your super hero suit on again and go out there and do the impossible".

Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.


lotta important injuries you're skipping over. Posts like yours in similar previous contexts was the basis for R-E-L-A-X
 
2017-09-18 01:24:58 PM  

puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.


If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.
 
2017-09-18 01:26:02 PM  

wakizashi: I couldn't believe they finally called Green Bay for a penalty on the pick play they've been running illegally for what seems like a decade.


even though Chris Collinsworth explained to you in super slow motion with fake lines and bars on the screen to help even the biggest idiot understand it was within 1 yard and therefore not a pick by definition?  Wow.
 
2017-09-18 01:31:30 PM  

This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.


Like I said, Atlanta got away with a much more obvious one on a TD throw.

And the Bennett call, hell if that's a pick the NFL may as well throw the Patriots out of the league.
 
2017-09-18 01:31:52 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.


Also just how bad every other team in the division has been.
 
2017-09-18 01:35:12 PM  
Doesn't matter who you cheer for, the NFL refs SUCK. OL holding is rampant as is PI, on BOTH sides. It's starting to look like the NBA's policy of randomly calling traveling.
 
2017-09-18 01:38:48 PM  

wakizashi: I couldn't believe they finally called Green Bay for a penalty on the pick play they've been running illegally for what seems like a decade.


ehh....every team does it.  arizona got away with one yesterday that i thought was blatant as hell but if they're not gonna call it, pick away.

i don't know what it is about this season but i'm just not into football they way i usually am.  i half-assedly watched the cards yesterday (who basically sucked, which is concerning since Brissette had only been a Colt for like, 13 days or some shiat, and barely got told (well, officially, who knows what happened internally) I think Thursday that he was starting.  i said ARI is a 9 win team.  after yesterday's shiat show (and last week's gagbortion) I think 7 wins.  just not a good team so far.
 
2017-09-18 01:45:19 PM  

abhorrent1: Nadie_AZ: Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.

Also just how bad every other team in the division has been.


Yup. You've got Aaron Rodgers and a pile of steaming garbage; Matt Stafford and a pile of steaming garbage; and two teams of no one and a pile of steaming garbage.
 
2017-09-18 01:50:40 PM  

fastfxr: Doesn't matter who you cheer for, the NFL refs SUCK. OL holding is rampant as is PI, on BOTH sides. It's starting to look like the NBA's policy of randomly calling traveling.


yeah, ARI had a pretty huge gain called back for holding.  the ARI TE made what looked like incidental contact when he released, kinda brushing the rushing DT, and it was called a hold.  i was like, you're gonna call that, with all the other blatant shiat going on?
 
2017-09-18 01:50:57 PM  
You mean just like the Seahawks were equally incredulous about the "block in the back" last week?

The only difference is that call cost the Seahawks the game whereas this call merely...um...farking CHAOS THEORY!  HOW DOES IT WORK?!
 
2017-09-18 01:53:55 PM  

This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.


It's legal within one yard of the line of scrimmage. So...

For me, the difference between this call and other bad calls is the bad calls are usually judgment calls (pass interference, block in the back, etc.) You could definitely argue they had bad judgment, but in the end it will always be subjective.

But a pick play within one yard of the LOS? Objective. Not a penalty. No judgment required.
 
2017-09-18 01:59:41 PM  

BKITU: This is truly scandalous. Never before in the history of the NFL has a bad call impacted a game so deeply and so thoroughly as -- and I must catch my breath here -- as curtailing a first-half drive.


curtailing the first half drive...it turned the game from potentially 17-10 to 24-3...assuming GB scored a td on that drive....i dont really give a fark, bad calls happen all the time, suck it up and move on...
 
2017-09-18 02:14:49 PM  

Ocean_Pimp: The only good thing to come out of PFT was PFT Commenter


I know a few people on here who if they somehow got some pub for trolling on Twitter like they do here, they would be even better.
 
2017-09-18 02:22:35 PM  

xaks: Meh

We played and we lost. Had a couple bad calls & no calls go both ways

On to Cincinnati


And the impending sense of dread that is "will we be the first ones to let them score?"
 
2017-09-18 02:27:51 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.

It's legal within one yard of the line of scrimmage. So...

For me, the difference between this call and other bad calls is the bad calls are usually judgment calls (pass interference, block in the back, etc.) You could definitely argue they had bad judgment, but in the end it will always be subjective.

But a pick play within one yard of the LOS? Objective. Not a penalty. No judgment required.


College has different rules on WR blocking.  As long as they aren't the target of the pass, are within 5yds of the line of scrimmage OR the pass is behind the LoS, they can block/pick all they want (as long as it's a legal block; no chop blocks, in the back, snap-back/crack-back blocks, etc...).

In the NFL, a WR can't block until the pass is touched (caught or deflected), regardless of where they are on the field or if the pass crosses the LoS (however, they CAN block early on a lateral or "backwards pass" as this is technically a running play).
 
2017-09-18 02:43:18 PM  

harleyquinnical: You mean just like the Seahawks were equally incredulous about the "block in the back" last week?

The only difference is that call cost the Seahawks the game whereas this call merely...um...farking CHAOS THEORY!  HOW DOES IT WORK?!


Hopefully the refs hurt Atlanta next week, then.
 
2017-09-18 02:56:32 PM  

puffy999: And the Bennett call, hell if that's a pick the NFL may as well throw the Patriots out of the league.


Why would we not want to do that?
 
2017-09-18 02:58:11 PM  

meanmutton: abhorrent1: Nadie_AZ: Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.

Also just how bad every other team in the division has been.

Yup. You've got Aaron Rodgers and a pile of steaming garbage; Matt Stafford and a pile of steaming garbage; and two teams of no one and a pile of steaming garbage.


The Bears went toe-to-toe with the NFC champs and had them on the ropes at the end but couldn't convert. I don't see why the Pack couldn't have kept up.

/no D in Green Bay
 
2017-09-18 02:58:16 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.

It's legal within one yard of the line of scrimmage. So...


The end zone one wasn't within one yard of LOS. Hell, it wasn't within the 5 yard college rule.

As for GB, EABOD.
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2017-09-18 03:21:03 PM  

germ78: meanmutton: abhorrent1: Nadie_AZ: Sorry Green Bay fans. I'm a Brewers fan, so I get you. But this team is bad. That you've been as competitive as you've been shows you just how freaking good Rogers is.

Also just how bad every other team in the division has been.

Yup. You've got Aaron Rodgers and a pile of steaming garbage; Matt Stafford and a pile of steaming garbage; and two teams of no one and a pile of steaming garbage.

The Bears went toe-to-toe with the NFC champs and had them on the ropes at the end but couldn't convert. I don't see why the Pack couldn't have kept up.

/no D in Green Bay


Not only that, but the entire offense is predicated on two things:

1. Excellent pass blocking
2. Jordy Nelson taking the #1 DB and usually the FS off the top of the defense, opening up the rest of the field with lesser cover-men for the other WRs & TEs to work over

When your two best pass blockers are out, and Jordy is out...well, you see what happens. Frankly I'm surprised they put up 23 points.
 
2017-09-18 03:32:49 PM  
Is this where I complain about the refs in OT during the 2009 NFC Championship game?

Because I would, once again, like to complain about the refs in OT during the 2009 NFC Championship game.
 
2017-09-18 03:48:50 PM  

abmoraz: SkittlesAreYum: This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.

It's legal within one yard of the line of scrimmage. So...

For me, the difference between this call and other bad calls is the bad calls are usually judgment calls (pass interference, block in the back, etc.) You could definitely argue they had bad judgment, but in the end it will always be subjective.

But a pick play within one yard of the LOS? Objective. Not a penalty. No judgment required.

College has different rules on WR blocking.  As long as they aren't the target of the pass, are within 5yds of the line of scrimmage OR the pass is behind the LoS, they can block/pick all they want (as long as it's a legal block; no chop blocks, in the back, snap-back/crack-back blocks, etc...).

In the NFL, a WR can't block until the pass is touched (caught or deflected), regardless of where they are on the field or if the pass crosses the LoS (however, they CAN block early on a lateral or "backwards pass" as this is technically a running play).


Did they change this rule recently? I looked at the rulebook and you might be right about there being no "free pick zone" of one yard from the LOS. However, I tried to search for articles or comments disagreeing with Collinsworth and could not find any, which I wouldn't expect if he was wrong. I'm confused now.
 
2017-09-18 05:42:50 PM  

abmoraz: xaks: Meh

We played and we lost. Had a couple bad calls & no calls go both ways

On to Cincinnati

And the impending sense of dread that is "will we be the first ones to let them score?"


I expect that awesome Om Capers led defense to give up 20 to the Bengals.  I'm scared to the official injury report.

/Fark Capers
//Fark McCarthy and his crap playcalling
///Triple Fark Thompson thinking Capers is a good coordinator
 
2017-09-18 05:59:07 PM  

eagles95: abmoraz: xaks: Meh

We played and we lost. Had a couple bad calls & no calls go both ways

On to Cincinnati

And the impending sense of dread that is "will we be the first ones to let them score?"

I expect that awesome Om Capers led defense to give up 20 to the Bengals.  I'm scared to the official injury report.

/Fark Capers
//Fark McCarthy and his crap playcalling
///Triple Fark Thompson thinking Capers is a good coordinator


I could not agree with you more.  Lifelong Packers fan/owner here.  McCarthy is our Achilles heel.  There is no excuse for his pathetic playcalling. I am not a big Arod fan, but I know his talent deserves more than one ring.  He also deserves a defense that is actually capable of stopping the opposing offense and perhaps providing a turnover.

/I don't even want to start on the general lack of urgency throughout the game
 
2017-09-18 06:07:18 PM  

SkittlesAreYum: Did they change this rule recently? I looked at the rulebook and you might be right about there being no "free pick zone" of one yard from the LOS. However, I tried to search for articles or comments disagreeing with Collinsworth and could not find any, which I wouldn't expect if he was wrong. I'm confused now.


Rule 8, Section 5, Article 4: Other Prohibited Acts By the Offense.
Blocking more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage by an offensive player prior to a pass being thrown is offensive pass interference. (See 8.3.1-Item 1 for exception for an ineligible offensive player.)
Note: It is also pass interference by the offense to block a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air, if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom the pass is thrown. (See 8.3.1-Item 1 for exception for an ineligible offensive player.)

There is no 1 yard buffer for elligible receivers to pick, they can block, as long as they aren't "in the vicinity", but picks are a different thing.  (the whole  "See 8.3.1-Item 1" stuff is about illegal man downfield penalties and how lineman CAN block past that 1yd buffer, as long as they are maintaining a continuous block) .  Anything downfield (even 1 yard downfield) is illegal until the pass is thrown (I always thought it was until the pass was touched, but I guess I was wrong) if you are an eligible receiver.  Anything at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield is illegal if it is "in the vicinity" (again, if you are an eligible receiver).  Ineligible receivers can block in the vicinity and at the line.  That's why slip screens, middle screens, and shovel passes are legal, even though the lineman are engaged in blocks in the vicinity.
 
2017-09-18 07:00:38 PM  
I wrote that game off as an L going into the season. Packers need to get healthy again to make a run. Mike Daniels is our best player on D and we cannot afford to have him miss significant time.
 
2017-09-18 07:25:40 PM  

AlHarris31: I wrote that game off as an L going into the season. Packers need to get healthy again to make a run. Mike Daniels is our best player on D and we cannot afford to have him miss significant time.


Same with Jordy on O
 
2017-09-18 11:50:27 PM  
Green Bay bothers me. They're my team, but I HATE the organization. Can't sign anyone, can't re-sign our own homegrown talent (even tho that's their business model, draft and develop) once they become strong, professional players because they're a "small-market team" dontchaknow.

They haven't realized the league has figured out their schemes and players. When's the last time Clay Matthews made a play? I think he had a pick in the playoffs last year when I said to myself, "my God, Clay Matthews made a play? He hasn't made a play since 2011." The only reason GB is successful is because Rodgers is necessarily unpredictable and talented enough to make something out of nothing. Why so often do the drawn-up plays from the playbook amount to nothing in the first place? Why do we have to rely on going off script so often?

Mike McCarthy and Dom Capers. McCarthy almost gave up a Superbowl and failed miserably at it so apparently that means he's a world-class coach who can't be questioned anymore because of his "contribution" to the franchise and so his detractors keep getting shouted down without being properly heard. He's been resting on his laurels for far too long, he doesn't deserve to be HC anymore. Capers is almost the same situation regarding his reputation of "who else could do so much with so little?". Well, WHY IS HE WORKING WITH SO LITTLE??

Rodgers should have at least three rings right now. He's that good and he's not the problem. GB could've beaten the Ravens in the Harbaugh Bowl and could've beaten the Patriots the year of Eli's second Superbowl and probably also the Patriots the year that the Seahawks threw on the 1 yard line. Hell, I even think Favre's GB team would've beaten the 18-0 Patriots that year too.

Being a fan SUCKS...
 
2017-09-19 08:23:54 AM  
The same refs who early in the game stopped a play taking advantage of a late substitution cause they were not ready.
 
2017-09-19 09:04:53 AM  

This text is now purple: SkittlesAreYum: This text is now purple: puffy999: I mean, both pick calls on the Packers were very iffy (considering one ATL TD came by way of a more obvious pick), but that one being on the LOS was egregiously bad.

If you're going to run into the end zone and initiate contact with a DB 5 yards off the LOS, at least attempt to appear to be running a route.

College WRs run more legal-looking pick-plays.

It's legal within one yard of the line of scrimmage. So...

The end zone one wasn't within one yard of LOS. Hell, it wasn't within the 5 yard college rule.

As for GB, EABOD.
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what I love about that is the holding call in the end zone that the refs just kinda forgot about.
 
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