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(Politico)   In case you missed it, special counsel Robert Mueller has added another lawyer to his team. This one is an expert in money laundering investigations... and is the fourth such specialist now working for Mueller   ( politico.com) divider line
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2017-09-16 09:12:52 AM  
I wonder how Russian oligarchs who bought a lot of U.S. property (incl Trump condos) to launder and store their loot are going to feel if Mueller's team starts seizing those assets.

Manafort is the current target but this many experts on the subject seems like overkill if you don't expect it to go beyond one guy.

Just food for thought.
 
2017-09-16 09:22:20 AM  
Good thing our president likes orange...
 
2017-09-16 09:32:13 AM  
If it weren't for the ethical considerations, I'd love to see Preet join the team.
 
2017-09-16 09:35:27 AM  
This is a really big hire. Kyle Freeny may well be the DoJ's best lawyer when it comes to investigating money laundering. The fact that Mueller felt the need to add a fourth money laundering specialist, and a superstar at that, can only mean that this angle has become a big part of his investigation. The most likely perpetrators, in order, are former campaign chair Paul Manafort, former NSA Michael Flynn, first son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump himself.

Hmmmm, four suspects, four lawyers who specialize in money laundering...
 
2017-09-16 09:41:40 AM  
I dabbled in federal law enforcement as a guest worker of sorts for less than a year but I learned a bit about money laundering. All the indicators are there.

Bells and whistles, strobe lights, flashing arrow signs, wind machine blow up tube guy, spinning sign girl, and dancing statue of liberty.
 
2017-09-16 09:45:15 AM  
Well, maybe the Mueller team is itself a big money laundering operation. Ever think about that?
 
2017-09-16 09:52:14 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Well, maybe the Mueller team is itself a big money laundering operation. Ever think about that?


noseasmaje.com
 
2017-09-16 09:58:31 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Well, maybe the Mueller team is itself a big money laundering operation. Ever think about that?


The ones that came from private sector left high paying jobs to be there.  Money doesn't have anything to do with their being there, nor are they trying to hide anything.
 
2017-09-16 10:09:39 AM  

oldernell: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Well, maybe the Mueller team is itself a big money laundering operation. Ever think about that?

The ones that came from private sector left high paying jobs to be there.  Money doesn't have anything to do with their being there, nor are they trying to hide anything.


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-16 10:11:30 AM  
*rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.
 
2017-09-16 10:35:09 AM  
at least money laundering is a state crime, so there could be actual consequences
 
2017-09-16 10:35:52 AM  

raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.


From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.
 
2017-09-16 10:45:39 AM  
We've gone beyond popcorn, people. GET ME SOME BAMBOO!

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2017-09-16 10:46:08 AM  

scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.


Hhmm...2 years, huh.   I still don't think I can wait that long.
 
2017-09-16 10:48:33 AM  

scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.


Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.
 
2017-09-16 10:52:27 AM  

dorko16: at least money laundering is a state crime, so there could be actual consequences


Mueller is sharing his take with the New York Attorney General.  So even if Trump fires Mueller, there's still crimes committed in New York he'll be on the hook for.
 
2017-09-16 10:54:48 AM  
pics.me.me
 
2017-09-16 10:57:50 AM  
Im_Gumby: forgot to hit preview...

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-16 11:00:02 AM  
Too big and corrupt to fail?
 
2017-09-16 11:10:57 AM  

markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.


He may be out at midterms (after, I think, when the GOP massively underperforms), but he'll never be imprisoned. I've been reading about Pinochet. These guys never suffer. They never pay. May go into cushy exile somewhere or Trump will just live in Florida, but he'll still be around. A few flunkies might get time, but that's it.
 
2017-09-16 11:31:43 AM  
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=trump
trump (v.2) www.etymonline.com
"fabricate, devise," 1690s, from trump "deceive, cheat" (1510s), from Middle English trumpen (late 14c.), from Old French tromper "to deceive," of uncertain origin. Apparently from se tromper de "to mock," from Old French tromper "to blow a trumpet." Brachet explains this as "to play the horn, alluding to quacks and mountebanks, who attracted the public by blowing a horn, and then cheated them into buying ...." The Hindley Old French dictionary has baillier la trompe "blow the trumpet" as "act the fool," and Donkin connects it rather to trombe "waterspout," on the notion of turning (someone) around. Connection with triumph also has been proposed. Related: Trumped; trumping. Trumped up "false, concocted" first recorded 1728.
 
2017-09-16 11:50:34 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.

He may be out at midterms (after, I think, when the GOP massively underperforms), but he'll never be imprisoned. I've been reading about Pinochet. These guys never suffer. They never pay. May go into cushy exile somewhere or Trump will just live in Florida, but he'll still be around. A few flunkies might get time, but that's it.


For the most part, that's correct. But can you say, with any reasonable certainty, that we've never had such a stupid person at the head of all this as Trump?
 
2017-09-16 12:15:09 PM  
Man, wouldn't it be great if the whole family goes to prison? Barron too.
 
2017-09-16 12:15:58 PM  

markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.


By "he", you mean Mueller, right?

/it could happen
//please don't happen
 
2017-09-16 12:16:10 PM  
A slow cooking and lead to a better meal....
 
2017-09-16 12:17:09 PM  
gifimage.net
 
2017-09-16 12:18:54 PM  
That's a lot of hungry mouths for a nothing burger.
 
2017-09-16 12:19:46 PM  

ginandbacon: Good thing our president likes orange...


img.fark.net

It looks good on him.
 
2017-09-16 12:21:42 PM  

markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.


No. The missiles will be flying after the midterms. Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
 
2017-09-16 12:21:49 PM  

markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.


Thinking of the differences between Watergate and this.

1)  Watergate had smart people involved in the criminal aspects.  The Trump camp wouldn't this far along in the investigation cycle if they would just shut up.  But they can't.
2)  Watergate was about power.  This is about money and money makes people do stupid things.
3)  Social media AW'ing has really helped bring things out this time.  Too many people checking in on FaceBook and Twitter.  It's too damn easy to track whereabouts now.
4)  The internet and the 24 hour news cycle.  The reporters and investigators have thousands more resources available to them.  Ask a quick question about who was where when and odds are someone will see it and remember.
5)  Loyalty to the party and the people involved.  Sure the Republican leadership is loyal to the party, to a fault.  But on the Trump side.  All they really wanted was more money and when the money isn't going to kick in, they drop like flies.
6)  Trump is his own worst enemy.  Nixon went on TV and said "I am not a crook".  Trump goes on TV and says "hell yea I fired Comey because of the Russia investigation", after several days of his own people denying that fact.
 
2017-09-16 12:22:16 PM  

wejash: I wonder how Russian oligarchs who bought a lot of U.S. property (incl Trump condos) to launder and store their loot are going to feel if Mueller's team starts seizing those assets.

Manafort is the current target but this many experts on the subject seems like overkill if you don't expect it to go beyond one guy.

Just food for thought.


Here's a great Twitter thread from a former Federal prosecutor explaining why Mueller getting the Facebook/Russian ads data is so big.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/909046433931841537

It means that Mueller has concluded that specific foreign individuals committed a crime by making a "contribution" in connection with an election. It also means that he has evidence of that crime that convinced a federal magistrate judge of two things.  First, that there was good reason to believe that the foreign individual committed the crime. Second, that evidence of the crime existed on Facebook. Why is that big news? Until now, Mueller's efforts to obtain information about Russian interference in the election could be seen as an effort to gain counterintelligence or to investigate a matter unlikely to result in charges. Now we know he believes that he's close to charging specific foreign people with a crime. Can he do that? Yes, if they committed a crime in the U.S.  For example, my former boss indicted Osama Bin Laden for the first World Trade Center bombing.

So what does this mean for Trump and his associates? This news also has large implications for them. It is a crime to know that a crime is taking place and to help it succeed. That's aiding and abetting. If any Trump associate knew about the foreign contributions that Mueller's search warrant focused on and helped that effort in a tangible way, they could be charged. In addition, anyone who agreed to be part of this effort in any way could be charged with criminal conspiracy. They wouldn't need to be involved in the whole operation or know everyone involved but they would have to agree to be part of some piece of it.
 
2017-09-16 12:23:22 PM  

edmo: I dabbled in federal law enforcement as a guest worker of sorts for less than a year but I learned a bit about money laundering. All the indicators are there.

Bells and whistles, strobe lights, flashing arrow signs, wind machine blow up tube guy, spinning sign girl, and dancing statue of liberty.


This is what I have never understood about the Trump presidential run. All signs are that the guy is up to his eye-balls in illegal shiat. And, yet, as a private citizen he had a good chance of getting away with it. As president, all eyes are now on him. Now, he may still very well get away with it, but the odds in his favor seem to have lessened. And if he goes down, all signs point to him taking a fair amount of Russian oligarch money with him.

I would have thought that some of his co-conspirators would have pointed this out to him in a very direct fashion. .

All I can come up with is that he is so arrogant he thinks he'll get away with it, he really thought he would lose, he doesn't actually know what's going on and doesn't understand he's running a criminal enterprise, or it's a desperate gamble to stay ahead of mounting debts.
 
2017-09-16 12:23:48 PM  

Kirablue42: ginandbacon: Good thing our president likes orange...

[img.fark.net image 413x549]

It looks good on him.


The color reminded me of:

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-16 12:25:43 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: markie_farkie: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.

He may be out at midterms (after, I think, when the GOP massively underperforms), but he'll never be imprisoned. I've been reading about Pinochet. These guys never suffer. They never pay. May go into cushy exile somewhere or Trump will just live in Florida, but he'll still be around. A few flunkies might get time, but that's it.


I'm cautiously optimistic that if this investigation blows up as big as it could even the GOP hardliners will be terrified to pardon him.
 
2017-09-16 12:26:20 PM  

wejash: I wonder how Russian oligarchs who bought a lot of U.S. property (incl Trump condos) to launder and store their loot are going to feel if Mueller's team starts seizing those assets.

Manafort is the current target but this many experts on the subject seems like overkill if you don't expect it to go beyond one guy.

Just food for thought.


I wonder if this is why there is the sudden, out-of-the-blue push in Congress to limit civil forfeiture?
 
2017-09-16 12:27:37 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Well, maybe the Mueller team is itself a big money laundering operation. Ever think about that?


The Mueller Team launders the money made by the money launderers. Like how Re-insurance companies insure Insurance companies.
 
2017-09-16 12:29:15 PM  

markie_farkie: Donnie's been on an accelerating timetable since he plopped his tiny mitt on the Bible back in January.

He will resign before the mid-terms.

He will be a prisoner by the end of 2018.


Waaayyyy too optimistic there.

I'd wish for him to be covered in mud due to this after a solid win by people opposed to him in the midterms and loses 2020 (either in the primaries or the general), but that's my optimistic scenario.

Realistically: he might get indicted, no resignation or prison time though, and a possibility of winning 2020 (but slimmer than 2016). However, passing legislation he wants might get even harder for him to achieve after so.
 
2017-09-16 12:30:24 PM  
markie_farkie: Marcus Aurelius:

I will hold you to that promise
 
2017-09-16 12:30:33 PM  

eiger: This is what I have never understood about the Trump presidential run. All signs are that the guy is up to his eye-balls in illegal shiat. And, yet, as a private citizen he had a good chance of getting away with it. As president, all eyes are now on him. Now, he may still very well get away with it, but the odds in his favor seem to have lessened. And if he goes down, all signs point to him taking a fair amount of Russian oligarch money with him.

I would have thought that some of his co-conspirators would have pointed this out to him in a very direct fashion. .

All I can come up with is that he is so arrogant he thinks he'll get away with it, he really thought he would lose, he doesn't actually know what's going on and doesn't understand he's running a criminal enterprise, or it's a desperate gamble to stay ahead of mounting debts.


I think he's betting that the system won't be able to stop him in time, because he's installed people in all the places that matter to help him.  He and his cronies are also bringing much of the government to a screeching halt.

We're literally looking at Mueller, the judicial brand, and the good people at the FBI and CIA (although Trump has people in place at the head of those agencies) as the last defense of our democracy, because our electoral process is compromised by the Russians and one of Trump's cronies, Kobach, is doing his damnedest to suppress voters.

This is the precipice we find ourselves on, and it's farking scary.
 
2017-09-16 12:31:24 PM  
Just wait until until he figures out that his best chance of
 
2017-09-16 12:32:16 PM  

raerae1980: scottydoesntknow: raerae1980: *rubs hands together*

I mean, the anticipation is killing me here.     How long did it take to bring down Nixon?  3 years?   I don't think I can wait that long.

From news of watergate break-in to him boarding the helicopter was about 2 years.

Hhmm...2 years, huh.   I still don't think I can wait that long.


It also helped that the Democrats controlled both chambers at the time.

The GOP can shut down Mueller at anytime they want.
 
2017-09-16 12:32:36 PM  

udhq: Just wait until until he figures out that his best chance of


avoiding prison probably involves lobbing a couple of missiles at Pyongyang.
 
2017-09-16 12:33:29 PM  

eiger: edmo: I dabbled in federal law enforcement as a guest worker of sorts for less than a year but I learned a bit about money laundering. All the indicators are there.

Bells and whistles, strobe lights, flashing arrow signs, wind machine blow up tube guy, spinning sign girl, and dancing statue of liberty.

This is what I have never understood about the Trump presidential run. All signs are that the guy is up to his eye-balls in illegal shiat. And, yet, as a private citizen he had a good chance of getting away with it. As president, all eyes are now on him. Now, he may still very well get away with it, but the odds in his favor seem to have lessened. And if he goes down, all signs point to him taking a fair amount of Russian oligarch money with him.

I would have thought that some of his co-conspirators would have pointed this out to him in a very direct fashion. .

All I can come up with is that he is so arrogant he thinks he'll get away with it, he really thought he would lose, he doesn't actually know what's going on and doesn't understand he's running a criminal enterprise, or it's a desperate gamble to stay ahead of mounting debts.


Your question is answered in two parts:

A. Trump is not a strategic thinker. He is an impulsive tactician who only exists in the "now". He is incapable of thinking ahead, and so didn't think of possible consequences of scrutiny in running for president.

B. He had (has?) a deeply distorted and incorrect notion of what a president is. He thought it was like a king, where you have absolute power. He's been shocked to discover it comes with limitations. He thought he would have unlimited ability to get away with anything, once he was president, because he would have unlimited power. Only later did he discover he was wrong.
 
2017-09-16 12:33:45 PM  
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2017-09-16 12:35:37 PM  

Corn_Fed: B. He had (has?) a deeply distorted and incorrect notion of what a president is. He thought it was like a king, where you have absolute power. He's been shocked to discover it comes with limitations. He thought he would have unlimited ability to get away with anything, once he was president, because he would have unlimited power. Only later did he discover he was wrong.


anitalovett.files.wordpress.com
 
2017-09-16 12:38:51 PM  

eiger: edmo: I dabbled in federal law enforcement as a guest worker of sorts for less than a year but I learned a bit about money laundering. All the indicators are there.

Bells and whistles, strobe lights, flashing arrow signs, wind machine blow up tube guy, spinning sign girl, and dancing statue of liberty.

This is what I have never understood about the Trump presidential run. All signs are that the guy is up to his eye-balls in illegal shiat. And, yet, as a private citizen he had a good chance of getting away with it. As president, all eyes are now on him. Now, he may still very well get away with it, but the odds in his favor seem to have lessened. And if he goes down, all signs point to him taking a fair amount of Russian oligarch money with him.

I would have thought that some of his co-conspirators would have pointed this out to him in a very direct fashion. .

All I can come up with is that he is so arrogant he thinks he'll get away with it, he really thought he would lose, he doesn't actually know what's going on and doesn't understand he's running a criminal enterprise, or it's a desperate gamble to stay ahead of mounting debts.


He didn't think he'd -actually- win.
 
2017-09-16 12:40:28 PM  

Corn_Fed: Your question is answered in two parts:

A. Trump is not a strategic thinker. He is an impulsive tactician who only exists in the "now". He is incapable of thinking ahead, and so didn't think of possible consequences of scrutiny in running for president.

B. He had (has?) a deeply distorted and incorrect notion of what a president is. He thought it was like a king, where you have absolute power. He's been shocked to discover it comes with limitations. He thought he would have unlimited ability to get away with anything, once he was president, because he would have unlimited power. Only later did he discover he was wrong.


I completely agree about Trump. I just wonder what his interactions with his co-conspirators was like. I just can't imagine they were thrilled with him running for president. One has to wonder if a lot of Russian oligarchs started to wonder why they were dealing with him.
 
2017-09-16 12:42:08 PM  

eiger: edmo: I dabbled in federal law enforcement as a guest worker of sorts for less than a year but I learned a bit about money laundering. All the indicators are there.

Bells and whistles, strobe lights, flashing arrow signs, wind machine blow up tube guy, spinning sign girl, and dancing statue of liberty.

This is what I have never understood about the Trump presidential run. All signs are that the guy is up to his eye-balls in illegal shiat. And, yet, as a private citizen he had a good chance of getting away with it. As president, all eyes are now on him. Now, he may still very well get away with it, but the odds in his favor seem to have lessened. And if he goes down, all signs point to him taking a fair amount of Russian oligarch money with him.

I would have thought that some of his co-conspirators would have pointed this out to him in a very direct fashion. .

All I can come up with is that he is so arrogant he thinks he'll get away with it, he really thought he would lose, he doesn't actually know what's going on and doesn't understand he's running a criminal enterprise, or it's a desperate gamble to stay ahead of mounting debts.


Him choosing the media as an enemy certainly didn't help.  I mean, you're going to get people digging into your background no matter what.  Trump got them to turn that up to 11 (though there is SOOOO much, it kind of gets drowned out... I wonder how many average Americans know his charity was a scam?)
 
2017-09-16 12:47:00 PM  

weddingsinger: wejash: I wonder how Russian oligarchs who bought a lot of U.S. property (incl Trump condos) to launder and store their loot are going to feel if Mueller's team starts seizing those assets.

Manafort is the current target but this many experts on the subject seems like overkill if you don't expect it to go beyond one guy.

Just food for thought.

Here's a great Twitter thread from a former Federal prosecutor explaining why Mueller getting the Facebook/Russian ads data is so big.

https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/909046433931841537

It means that Mueller has concluded that specific foreign individuals committed a crime by making a "contribution" in connection with an election. It also means that he has evidence of that crime that convinced a federal magistrate judge of two things.  First, that there was good reason to believe that the foreign individual committed the crime. Second, that evidence of the crime existed on Facebook. Why is that big news? Until now, Mueller's efforts to obtain information about Russian interference in the election could be seen as an effort to gain counterintelligence or to investigate a matter unlikely to result in charges. Now we know he believes that he's close to charging specific foreign people with a crime. Can he do that? Yes, if they committed a crime in the U.S.  For example, my former boss indicted Osama Bin Laden for the first World Trade Center bombing.

So what does this mean for Trump and his associates? This news also has large implications for them. It is a crime to know that a crime is taking place and to help it succeed. That's aiding and abetting. If any Trump associate knew about the foreign contributions that Mueller's search warrant focused on and helped that effort in a tangible way, they could be charged. In addition, anyone who agreed to be part of this effort in any way could be charged with criminal conspiracy. They wouldn't need to be involved in the whole operation or know everyone involved but they ...


thank you for bringing it into the thread...

/refuses to read twitter threads
//hates that this has become a thing
 
2017-09-16 12:52:17 PM  

Fix America.

Give Robert Mueller

ALL THE LAWYERS!

 
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