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(The Hill)   Pelosi, during dinner at White House: "Do the women get to talk around here?"   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-09-15 09:18:46 AM  
Love it.  Nancy's a tough girl and a deadhead. But what I really want to know is how many scoops everyone got for desert.
 
2017-09-15 09:26:15 AM  
Awkward.
 
2017-09-15 09:27:53 AM  
Love her or hate her Pelosi is kind of a badass and she's very good at this.
 
2017-09-15 09:47:57 AM  
What does the President get out of the deal?  How about the satisfaction of actually doing his farking job?  Oh wait, that is not a monetary or popularity gain
 
2017-09-15 09:48:15 AM  
FTFA "...was trying to make a point when the men at the table began talking over her and over each other..."

So,  equality down the drain, the reason Pelosi couldn't get a word in edgeways because SHE'S A WOMAN and deserves a special time-out so she can make her point?

I farking hate it when the so-called alpha-males in a meeting start doing that. It drives me nuts, and eventually I have to resort to slapping the desk, tapping my pen, a glass.. whatever... even shouting something like "Are we quite done!?" so I can make my point.   But I don't have a pussy so I'm not allowed to say what she said, and sexism-shame the room into shutting up.  As a guy I have to do it without invoking "sexism!!!1!!"

I agree with her motives, but I do not at all agree with her actions in this case.  She's exacerbating sexism and exploiting political correctness for her own ends.
 
2017-09-15 09:51:19 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Love her or hate her Pelosi is kind of a badass and she's very good at this.


I like her.  She's got the kind of balls most Republicans would secretly kill for.  I wouldn't mind seeing her take a run at the White House, frankly.  She's the kind of no-bullshiat, take-no-prisoners attitude the Dems desperately needs right now, and as far as I know she's pretty scandal-free.
 
2017-09-15 09:52:22 AM  
When you're in a room full of alpha-PEOPLE you need to deal with the fact that a lot of them are going to be assholes.  I've been in meetings where the asshole count included women who also needed dealing with in a similar manner.  You need to deal with that without pulling some persecution card, or you'll forever be seen as the special case or quota-hire.
 
2017-09-15 09:52:31 AM  

harleyquinnical: What does the President get out of the deal?  How about the satisfaction of actually doing his farking job?  Oh wait, that is not a monetary or popularity gain


Trump doesn't get any satisfaction from working.  He gets satisfaction when the people under him bring him buckets of cash and endless adulations.
 
2017-09-15 09:53:23 AM  

Psychopusher: Voiceofreason01: Love her or hate her Pelosi is kind of a badass and she's very good at this.

I like her.  She's got the kind of balls most Republicans would secretly kill for.  I wouldn't mind seeing her take a run at the White House, frankly.  She's the kind of no-bullshiat, take-no-prisoners attitude the Dems desperately needs right now, and as far as I know she's pretty scandal-free.


Despite my little rant about this particular quote,   She seems pretty OK to me usually.
 
2017-09-15 09:54:21 AM  
Did she tell President Bush she won't work with him?
 
2017-09-15 09:55:52 AM  

Psychopusher: She's the kind of no-bullshiat, take-no-prisoners attitude the Dems desperately needs right now, and as far as I know she's pretty scandal-free


A shocking number of Americans find the idea of a woman president to be scandalous in and of itself.
 
2017-09-15 09:55:56 AM  
She could always speak up and ask  if any of the men need anything.
 
2017-09-15 09:57:56 AM  

lindseyp: Despite my little rant about this particular quote,   She seems pretty OK to me usually.


Pelosi is so good at her job that the right wing regularly smears and demonizes her.  They usually only do that to women that might be President some day.
 
2017-09-15 10:14:08 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: lindseyp: Despite my little rant about this particular quote,   She seems pretty OK to me usually.

Pelosi is so good at her job that the right wing regularly smears and demonizes her.  They usually only do that to women that might be President some day.


A few years ago I would have bet on Hillary winning it,  but this time she just seemed too frail, and I hate to say it, 'shrill'.  Not to mention her looking visibly ill (stress or whatever). several times.   Bernie would have won, had the D's not pushed Hillary too hard.   I still thought she would win, but after Brexit and all, I thought it was a very dangerous play to push her.  Too close a call.    Well... here we are.

I hope the next female candidate is not only qualified, but has the benefit of good timing.
 
KIA
2017-09-15 10:22:28 AM  
No, Nancy, just you. Only you.
 
2017-09-15 10:23:52 AM  
Amen, Sister.
 
2017-09-15 10:24:31 AM  
That broad has moxie!
 
2017-09-15 10:25:51 AM  

lindseyp: Marcus Aurelius: lindseyp: Despite my little rant about this particular quote,   She seems pretty OK to me usually.

Pelosi is so good at her job that the right wing regularly smears and demonizes her.  They usually only do that to women that might be President some day.

A few years ago I would have bet on Hillary winning it,  but this time she just seemed too frail, and I hate to say it, 'shrill'.  Not to mention her looking visibly ill (stress or whatever). several times.   Bernie would have won, had the D's not pushed Hillary too hard.   I still thought she would win, but after Brexit and all, I thought it was a very dangerous play to push her.  Too close a call.    Well... here we are.

I hope the next female candidate is not only qualified, but has the benefit of good timing.


Lol
 
2017-09-15 10:26:14 AM  
I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.
 
2017-09-15 10:27:38 AM  

AngryDragon: I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.


Which one then?
 
2017-09-15 10:27:59 AM  

AngryDragon: I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.


Nobody asked you.
 
2017-09-15 10:28:31 AM  
No.  Next question.
 
2017-09-15 10:30:03 AM  
FFS, such pearl clutching. She said what she did because she was the only woman there and because it was a way to be heard through the noise. It's not like she burned her bra on the table.
 
2017-09-15 10:30:24 AM  

AngryDragon: I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.


Because this dude is the perfect specimen of the superior male that we're all totally okay with being President.

static6.businessinsider.com
 
2017-09-15 10:30:43 AM  
So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?
 
2017-09-15 10:32:16 AM  

someonelse: FFS, such pearl clutching. She said what she did because she was the only woman there and because it was a way to be heard through the noise. It's not like she burned her bra on the table.


God, no!  Bras are expensive.
 
2017-09-15 10:32:47 AM  

lindseyp: FTFA "...was trying to make a point when the men at the table began talking over her and over each other..."

So,  equality down the drain, the reason Pelosi couldn't get a word in edgeways because SHE'S A WOMAN and deserves a special time-out so she can make her point?

I farking hate it when the so-called alpha-males in a meeting start doing that. It drives me nuts, and eventually I have to resort to slapping the desk, tapping my pen, a glass.. whatever... even shouting something like "Are we quite done!?" so I can make my point.   But I don't have a pussy so I'm not allowed to say what she said, and sexism-shame the room into shutting up.  As a guy I have to do it without invoking "sexism!!!1!!"

I agree with her motives, but I do not at all agree with her actions in this case.  She's exacerbating sexism and exploiting political correctness for her own ends.


You sound jealous
 
2017-09-15 10:33:04 AM  

Psychopusher: as far as I know she's pretty scandal-free.


She flew in a jet once.  Yes, that was the scandal and a pretty serious one if you are a republican.
 
2017-09-15 10:34:09 AM  

LL316: So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?


No, it's  the fact that they all felt perfectly fine interupting her in the middle of a statement.
 
2017-09-15 10:34:35 AM  

oldernell: Love it.  Nancy's a tough girl and a deadhead. But what I really want to know is how many scoops everyone got for desert.


I want Nancy to request THREE scoops. The stare at him for the entire time she eats it all.
 
2017-09-15 10:35:40 AM  

Archidude: AngryDragon: I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.

Which one then?


Warren.  Definitely.  You want a good snapshot of her approach and charisma?  Watch this:

MAXED OUT
Youtube Vk7gPypWP3Y
 
2017-09-15 10:36:29 AM  

Raspil: lindseyp: ...

You sound jealous


ಠ_ಠ
 
2017-09-15 10:36:32 AM  
She should have hammed the table with a shoe.
 
2017-09-15 10:37:15 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: lindseyp: Despite my little rant about this particular quote,   She seems pretty OK to me usually.

Pelosi is so good at her job that the right wing regularly smears and demonizes her.  They usually only do that to women that might be President some day.


Yup. 2018 needs to be about the house to get her weaponized again (Speakership).
 
2017-09-15 10:37:54 AM  

lindseyp: When you're in a room full of alpha-PEOPLE you need to deal with the fact that a lot of them are going to be assholes.  I've been in meetings where the asshole count included women who also needed dealing with in a similar manner.  You need to deal with that without pulling some persecution card, or you'll forever be seen as the special case or quota-hire.


you sound beta
 
2017-09-15 10:38:41 AM  
www.conservativereview.com
 
2017-09-15 10:39:08 AM  

AngryDragon: Archidude: AngryDragon: I have the same comment for her I had for Clinton.

Women?  Yes.  Just not that one.

Which one then?

Warren.  Definitely.  You want a good snapshot of her approach and charisma?  Watch this:

[YouTube video]


However, Speaker of the House and Minority leader have never been positions about "charisma". Those are positions about pragmatic, and often hardball, politics. No one ever expected Sam Rayburn to have charisma.
 
2017-09-15 10:39:51 AM  

Archidude: LL316: So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?

No, it's  the fact that they all felt perfectly fine interupting her in the middle of a statement.


Did they all?  or just the ones we'll call alpha-Ds.   If that was the end of it there wouldn't be a story.  There's a story because she branded it sexist and shut the room up.   It's happened to me plenty of times, I don't have the luxury of branding it sexist and shutting the room up.    She's a great woman but shutting a roomful of boors down by accusing them of being sexist is a very weak move.

If she was a guy it wouldn't be an option.   She's treading dangerous ground by exploiting her position in this regard.
 
2017-09-15 10:40:02 AM  

lindseyp: FTFA "...was trying to make a point when the men at the table began talking over her and over each other..."

So,  equality down the drain, the reason Pelosi couldn't get a word in edgeways because SHE'S A WOMAN and deserves a special time-out so she can make her point?

I farking hate it when the so-called alpha-males in a meeting start doing that. It drives me nuts, and eventually I have to resort to slapping the desk, tapping my pen, a glass.. whatever... even shouting something like "Are we quite done!?" so I can make my point.   But I don't have a pussy so I'm not allowed to say what she said, and sexism-shame the room into shutting up.  As a guy I have to do it without invoking "sexism!!!1!!"

I agree with her motives, but I do not at all agree with her actions in this case.  She's exacerbating sexism and exploiting political correctness for her own ends.


Maybe you just phrased your argument poorly, but it sounded like your issue was that her move wasn't fair because you couldn't do it too and that you sometimes face the same problem.

Are you 12?

Get over yourself. People do things differently. She could have slammed the table or screamed shut up. She instead shamed everyone into silence.  She was extremely effective in shutting people up.

The phrasing wasn't even offensive. Your issue seems to be that it wasn't fair that she can say it and you can't.

Get over it. You are male. You have a different set of advantages and disadvantages than her. No big deal.
 
2017-09-15 10:40:13 AM  

Muta: Psychopusher: as far as I know she's pretty scandal-free.

She flew in a jet once.  Yes, that was the scandal and a pretty serious one if you are a republican.


Pelosi is the Olenna Tyrell of American politics. She's no saint, but she's not stupid and she's pretty damn good at playing the game.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-15 10:40:31 AM  

wademh: lindseyp: When you're in a room full of alpha-PEOPLE you need to deal with the fact that a lot of them are going to be assholes.  I've been in meetings where the asshole count included women who also needed dealing with in a similar manner.  You need to deal with that without pulling some persecution card, or you'll forever be seen as the special case or quota-hire.

you sound beta


On the internet nobody knows I'm a dog.
 
2017-09-15 10:42:19 AM  

Archidude: LL316: So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?

No, it's  the fact that they all felt perfectly fine interupting her in the middle of a statement.


Her and everyone else at the table. It would actually be sexist if they treated her less rudely than everyone else at the table simply because she has a vagina.  What, she isn't capable of handling what men have to put up with?
 
2017-09-15 10:43:14 AM  

lindseyp: Archidude: LL316: So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?

No, it's  the fact that they all felt perfectly fine interupting her in the middle of a statement.

Did they all?  or just the ones we'll call alpha-Ds.   If that was the end of it there wouldn't be a story.  There's a story because she branded it sexist and shut the room up.   It's happened to me plenty of times, I don't have the luxury of branding it sexist and shutting the room up.    She's a great woman but shutting a roomful of boors down by accusing them of being sexist is a very weak move.

If she was a guy it wouldn't be an option.   She's treading dangerous ground by exploiting her position in this regard.


Oh, I didn't realize that being "Alpha" excused men from being curteous and respectful. She of course, should have been more courteous and respectful to the "Alpha-D"s.
 
2017-09-15 10:43:42 AM  
Perhaps if these knuckle-draggers shut up and actually listened to what a former Speaker of the House and fifteen-term Congresswoman had to say they might learn something useful about governing. Then they could go back to their dick-wagging.
 
2017-09-15 10:43:52 AM  

FleshMonkey: lindseyp: FTFA "...was trying to make a point when the men at the table began talking over her and over each other..."

So,  equality down the drain, the reason Pelosi couldn't get a word in edgeways because SHE'S A WOMAN and deserves a special time-out so she can make her point?

I farking hate it when the so-called alpha-males in a meeting start doing that. It drives me nuts, and eventually I have to resort to slapping the desk, tapping my pen, a glass.. whatever... even shouting something like "Are we quite done!?" so I can make my point.   But I don't have a pussy so I'm not allowed to say what she said, and sexism-shame the room into shutting up.  As a guy I have to do it without invoking "sexism!!!1!!"

I agree with her motives, but I do not at all agree with her actions in this case.  She's exacerbating sexism and exploiting political correctness for her own ends.

Maybe you just phrased your argument poorly, but it sounded like your issue was that her move wasn't fair because you couldn't do it too and that you sometimes face the same problem.

Are you 12?

Get over yourself. People do things differently. She could have slammed the table or screamed shut up. She instead shamed everyone into silence.  She was extremely effective in shutting people up.

The phrasing wasn't even offensive. Your issue seems to be that it wasn't fair that she can say it and you can't.

Get over it. You are male. You have a different set of advantages and disadvantages than her. No big deal.


I'm inclined to think that trying to talk over people is a very male thing. I say that as a man that noticed what I was doing and who I was talking over. Yes, women do it too. Some women deny feminism has helped them achieve their privilege too.
 
2017-09-15 10:44:00 AM  
Nobody will listen to me! It must be because I'm a woman! (Can also work if you're a minority).
 
2017-09-15 10:44:25 AM  

LL316: Archidude: LL316: So...everyone was talking over one another and somehow this is a sexist thing?

No, it's  the fact that they all felt perfectly fine interupting her in the middle of a statement.

Her and everyone else at the table. It would actually be sexist if they treated her less rudely than everyone else at the table simply because she has a vagina.  What, she isn't capable of handling what men have to put up with?


No, it started when she was in the middle of responding to a question placed directly to her.
 
2017-09-15 10:44:42 AM  

KIA: No, Nancy, just you. Only you.


Do you regret defending the Nazi who ran over Heather Heyer yet?
 
2017-09-15 10:45:24 AM  

FleshMonkey: lindseyp: FTFA "...was trying to make a point when the men at the table began talking over her and over each other..."

So,  equality down the drain, the reason Pelosi couldn't get a word in edgeways because SHE'S A WOMAN and deserves a special time-out so she can make her point?

I farking hate it when the so-called alpha-males in a meeting start doing that. It drives me nuts, and eventually I have to resort to slapping the desk, tapping my pen, a glass.. whatever... even shouting something like "Are we quite done!?" so I can make my point.   But I don't have a pussy so I'm not allowed to say what she said, and sexism-shame the room into shutting up.  As a guy I have to do it without invoking "sexism!!!1!!"

I agree with her motives, but I do not at all agree with her actions in this case.  She's exacerbating sexism and exploiting political correctness for her own ends.

Maybe you just phrased your argument poorly, but it sounded like your issue was that her move wasn't fair because you couldn't do it too and that you sometimes face the same problem.

Are you 12?

Get over yourself. People do things differently. She could have slammed the table or screamed shut up. She instead shamed everyone into silence.  She was extremely effective in shutting people up.

The phrasing wasn't even offensive. Your issue seems to be that it wasn't fair that she can say it and you can't.

Get over it. You are male. You have a different set of advantages and disadvantages than her. No big deal.


No.  My issue is that she turned her position of 'weak' into one of 'female' in this context and pulled out the womyn's card by shaming the men into shutting up for fear of appearing sexist.   That's not furthering feminism at all.  That's exacerbating it by waving political correctness as a baton. 

She's a great speaker, lawyer, politician and all of the peripherals that go with it.  She doesn't need to pull the 'womyn' card to shut down dickhead men who talk over each other.   By doing that she is just showing that political correctness is giving her power, and in the long run that will weaken her.
 
2017-09-15 10:45:55 AM  
no, because your kind has never been president and couldn't even beat  this clown.

that's also why all male panels decide on issues concerning only women
 
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