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2017-09-13 11:39:33 PM  
41 votes:
Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.
2017-09-14 01:40:22 AM  
32 votes:

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


Human beings are tribal by nature, but the definition of how to identify who is part of your tribe and who is not has to be taught. Race is not itself an inherent genetically programmed identifier, while those close to you and people who you interact with every day are. Racists know this, which is why they get so upset at seeing different races interact in a positive way on TV shows and in movies. This normalizes things for their kids in direct opposition to what the parents are trying to teach them.

One of the greatest things that our government did to help the racism issue for Generation X was to fund the CPB, which produced many PBS shows such as Sesame Street. Our parents didn't watch it much, but they thought it must be educational. It was, but in far more ways than they could have known. Seeing black and white adults living on the same street and getting along and having nothing but positive interactions, seeing black and white kids in the same skit interacting like normal kids - these things helped normalize getting along. Advertisers starting picking up on this - remember the Sunny D commercial from the 80's with a bunch of thirsty kids of various races in a clean, upper-middle class suburban home opening the fridge together? Things like this helped de-program a lot of people subconsciously. Now it's the norm.

Most racists nowadays had shiatty childhoods and didn't get to watch Sesame Street or The Electric Company or Saturday morning cartoons with racial integration and commercials featuring kids of all races playing together with whatever toys you were supposed to beg your parents for.

So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.
2017-09-14 02:10:38 AM  
23 votes:

Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

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//what a beautiful image


One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

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And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.
2017-09-14 01:47:32 AM  
21 votes:
I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...
2017-09-14 02:35:46 AM  
18 votes:

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.
2017-09-14 02:03:56 AM  
16 votes:
Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.
2017-09-14 02:43:23 AM  
13 votes:

parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.


 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.
2017-09-14 02:03:33 AM  
12 votes:
Thanks Obama!

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//what a beautiful image
2017-09-14 02:20:36 AM  
10 votes:

parkthebus: I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.


I am very much in general agreement with you, but this past election has forced racism to the forefront of the country yet again.

Something needs to be done about it. The country as a whole keeps throwing it on the back burner where it just stews and stews.
2017-09-14 02:37:16 AM  
9 votes:

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.
2017-09-14 02:06:18 AM  
9 votes:
Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.
2017-09-14 07:20:19 AM  
8 votes:
Dear Antifa,
You are so very truly not helping.

Sincerely,
America
2017-09-14 02:57:10 AM  
8 votes:

8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.


The Nazis who took inspiration from American's treatment of black people and Native Americans? Those Nazis?
2017-09-14 02:17:22 AM  
8 votes:

GrendelMk1: parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

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Poe slaw?

The more you know.jpg


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2017-09-14 01:52:36 AM  
8 votes:

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


I noticed it was placed over an ad for Foxwoods Casino, owned by Mashantuckett Pequod Tribal Nations.  So yeah, racism is pretty much as American as baseball, but with even a longer history.
2017-09-14 07:22:16 AM  
7 votes:

HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?


That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.
Get real with yourselves - nobody is asking you to feel "guilty" or take responsibility for anything (Heaven forbid) - just accept the fact. America is racist right down to it's very bones - and if we don't like that, we need to change it, not deny it.
Those who deny it are those who do not wish to change it.
2017-09-14 04:43:43 AM  
7 votes:

Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually


Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.
2017-09-14 07:42:13 AM  
6 votes:
I just want to say that both racism and baseball suck, and that I hope that my grandkids get to grow up in a world free of both of them.
2017-09-14 04:41:05 AM  
6 votes:

orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.


Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball
2017-09-14 04:07:55 AM  
6 votes:

Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.


The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.
2017-09-14 03:13:41 AM  
6 votes:

ox45tallboy: Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

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//what a beautiful image

One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

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And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.


I will add this:
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2017-09-13 10:50:53 PM  
6 votes:
What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.
2017-09-14 12:07:08 PM  
5 votes:
I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.
2017-09-14 10:38:40 AM  
5 votes:

PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America


Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.
2017-09-14 09:24:16 AM  
5 votes:

parkthebus: jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.

Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?


"Ethnic cleansing" is going on right now in several places throughout the world.  It could be argued that America today is more racist than most places in Europe.  It certainly can't be argued that America is more racist than the places that are murdering hundreds of thousands of people, right now, today (e.g. Sudan, Syria).
2017-09-14 07:11:01 AM  
5 votes:

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


Humans are a blank slate.  The racism you see around you is entirely cultural.  It exists because people insist on having things their own way.  So large groups of people that are of the same race tend to be together and exclude those that are not.  Every race does this.  It's not just about skin color, either.  People want to hang out with people that are culturally similar to themselves.  This is the instinctive part of the equation.

In super large populations, like urban areas, there tends to be many more races, all around each other all the time, therefore the groups interact with each other.  We call this diversity.  In those places, racism is not so bad.  Tolerance and acceptance are more the norm.  It's not usually any worse than identifying people who are from WAY outside the current groups. (foreigners)

In places where the populations are very small, the groups are spread out and have less interaction.  And here is where the problems start.
In those places, the people interact so very little, that they know very little about each other.  All they get is the bullshiat, stereotypes, and xenophobia passed down from their parents and friends.

This is where the concept that "racism is learned" comes from.  And in my experience, it is exactly the case.

In any event, the one thing that trumps all of this is education.  This, unfortunately, is also lacking in the very rural areas.  If you want racism fixed, then fix education.
2017-09-14 06:00:33 AM  
5 votes:

orangehat: randomjsa: Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.

What exactly does this thread have to do with climate change?  Or for that matter,  what does it have to do with whatever you perceive what reality is?


It's called deflection.  It's what he does best.
2017-09-14 02:11:05 AM  
5 votes:
To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.
2017-09-14 01:40:32 AM  
5 votes:
I think it's true that it's in our nature to fear, and therefore be biased against, the 'other'. Thousands of years of evolution saw to that.

However I also think how that aspect of our nature is channeled is up for grabs. We don't have to be racist, we choose to be, at least those of us who are choose to be. That's where environment comes in, and explains why some people just aren't as xenophobic as others. It also explains why you might not be racist, but instead might be sexist, or homophobic, or intolerant of other religions. The way you grew up and the environment around you has determined how you channel it. With some self awareness and a willingness to work on it, I believe everyone can change how they channel it. Some people simply don't want to change it.
2017-09-14 12:09:43 PM  
4 votes:
Show me a country without racism and I'll show you a country with no minorities.
2017-09-14 11:34:27 AM  
4 votes:
Racism is as Human as opposable thumbs.
2017-09-14 10:15:12 AM  
4 votes:
Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America
2017-09-14 07:47:58 AM  
4 votes:

durbnpoisn: Humans are a blank slate.


No, they're definitely not. Now, you could argue that racism is a learned behavior, but humans are not a blank slate.
2017-09-14 07:23:58 AM  
4 votes:
Best of the Week - August 27, 2017 - Joe Rogan Experience
Youtube KicXFuwYhbc


/An interesting take on racism.
2017-09-14 03:23:38 AM  
4 votes:

randomjsa: Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.


What exactly does this thread have to do with climate change?  Or for that matter,  what does it have to do with whatever you perceive what reality is?
2017-09-14 02:33:10 AM  
4 votes:

parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.


Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.
2017-09-14 02:24:27 AM  
4 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.


Neither was baseball.
2017-09-14 02:19:38 AM  
4 votes:

Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.


Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.
2017-09-14 02:07:01 AM  
4 votes:

parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.


MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?
2017-09-14 11:26:57 AM  
3 votes:

Persnickety: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

Why is it that people are so stunned to find racists in blue states/cities?  Trump got 33% of the vote in Massachusetts, so yeah, it should come as no surprise that there's tens of thousands of racists living there.  But tarring the entire city with a "very racist" moniker is a bit premature.  There's always going to racist assholes no matter where you go, but let's not forget that little less than a month ago, the very same city that we're so quick to deem "very racist" had a huge response to the white supremacist assholes that made national headlines.  Also, Boston and Mass don't elect large numbers racists so while they're certainly there, they don't get to make public policy.


The problem is that we(Bostonians) like to pretend it's not there.  And it's very much there.  It's not so much in the elected officials as much as the un-elected ones.

Example:  Myself, father, brother, and brother's father-in-law all applied for gun permits for the first time at the same time.  We all took the safety coarse at the same place at the same time.  Myself, father, and brother all got Licences To Carry with no restrictions.  My brother's FIL is a retired army veteran who currently contracts for the Army testing small arms after they are refurbished.  He has a spotless criminal record but got limited to target and hunting only.  So the Army pays him to test machine guns but the local police chief doesn't trust him with a pistol.  Me, my father and brother are all white(looking, my bro and I are part native american from our mother) and have a white last name.  Brother's FIL is Hispanic with a Hispanic last name.  That's the kind of institutionalized racism I'm talking about.  The kind that doesn't get addressed.
2017-09-14 11:20:52 AM  
3 votes:

machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.


Australia also farked over their indigenous population extremely thoroughly.
2017-09-14 09:55:43 AM  
3 votes:
This is no big deal - we are just too sensitive to criticism.
The ideal is that racism is "Un-American" - and that's a great ideal, and one that I heartily endorse.
But the reality is that America is a racist nation, born and bred in racism, and only existing because of racism.
It is nothing to cry about, be especially ashamed of, feel personal guilt about, or apologize for.
It does not make us by any means unique.
But it is a bad thing, and we need to fix it, and good Americans want to fix it.
That is all.
2017-09-14 09:16:27 AM  
3 votes:

jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.


Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?
2017-09-14 05:27:57 AM  
3 votes:

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


I'm thinking it was anti, most pro racist don't use the word racist they hide it by saying they are not racist they are pro Western culture or some BS like that. So on top of being racist they are cowardly too since they can't stand up for what they believe. Like a bunch of those idiots in Charlottesville that got outed and cried about it.
2017-09-14 02:39:34 AM  
3 votes:

8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.


The Nazis kept people as slaves for hundreds of years and refused to recognize them as full-fledged people until the 60's?  Lots of government-sponsored monuments to great Nazis around these days?

Badge-wearing Nazis do a lot of killing unarmed black men without reprisal here in 2017?
2017-09-15 09:12:28 AM  
2 votes:

Khellendros: doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."

Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.


"Privilege" is nothing more than a word you use to dismiss opinions you don't like.
2017-09-14 05:44:58 PM  
2 votes:
2017-09-14 05:35:19 PM  
2 votes:
Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."
2017-09-14 01:40:37 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-amer​i​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.
2017-09-14 12:42:08 PM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Have you ever seen old temples in Thailand?  The temples with the idols that look nothing like modern Thai people?  The people who built those temples were wiped out centuries ago.     The whole damn planet is a history of migrations genocides and invasions and displacements.   Why did China need a Great Wall?   The Monguls were invading!   We *try* to be  better than that--which is really cool.   But if the world doesn't match our good intentions we'll end up like the Phoenicians
2017-09-14 12:30:52 PM  
2 votes:

Callous: skinink: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.

Yes it's a fine veneer for hiding the actual problems. See my previous post for what I mean.


You're missing the point.  There's institutionalized racism everywhere.  Specifically calling out Boston as "very racist" implies that it is much worse than other places.  It isn't.  Doesn't mean there are no problems, but propping up every racial incident as proof that Boston is sooooo racist only feeds into the "See, You guys are the Real Racists!" narrative that the right is always trying to push.  They do the same thing with incidents of Islamic terrorism as proof that Islam is inherently violent and crimes committed by immigrants as proof that immigrants are inherently dangerous.

As I said in my man-boobies (sic), we should not be wringing our hands and heading for our feinting couches just because there are incidences of racism and actual racists in and around a blue state like Mass.  Expecting there to be none at all is hopelessly naive but otoh their mere existence is proof of nothing.  Racists are everywhere and yes we should root them out wherever they are.  The most important thing, however, is whether or not we elect racists to positions of power and let them set policy.  That's when institutionalization only gets worse.
2017-09-14 11:55:16 AM  
2 votes:

Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.


You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.
2017-09-14 11:30:02 AM  
2 votes:

Likwit: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.


South America's history of racism and racist culture makes ours look like amateur hour.

Worldwalker: SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.

I moved from New Hampshire to South Carolina.

There is significantly more racism in New Hampshire. It may (sometimes) be less overt, but there's nonetheless more of it. New Hampshire is a lily-white state, even more so in the rural areas. In South Carolina, people of different races interact on a daily basis. Certainly there are exceptions, but the sheer difficulty of dealing only with people of your own race, while others around you obviously have no such problems, makes it clear to such a person that they are the exception.

Anyone who flies the Southern Cross (note: the Stars and Bars is a different flag -- see: Georgia state flag) in a Union state should be forcibly relocated to the south. :p


That's a trend i've noticed throughout the western world, sort of like gay homophobes - areas of an overwhelming homogeneous ethnicity claiming to not be racist but then turning out to be racist as soon as minorities show up.
2017-09-14 11:17:33 AM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.
2017-09-14 09:42:07 AM  
2 votes:

Frank N Stein: No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

We're a young country, and still dealing with a cultural adolescence.  Our founding was rocky as hell, as much as we attempt to romanticize it.  Combining dozens of large cultures in that period of time isn't going to produce anything resembling a smooth result this quickly.  We're basically a milkshake 3 seconds after turning on the blender.

Only 150 years since ending slavery, only 50 years since ending Jim Crow and integrating schools and the Loving v. Virginia case.  We still have so far to go.  We spook easily, are threatened easily.  Our "cultural" institutions are weak and self-defeating, and people feel the need to defend and violently react at verbal threats to them.  And worst of all, we're horribly myopic. If it didn't happen here, if it hasn't been tried here, it's not even in people's mind as a possibility.  We have little idea of the scope of history and our part in it.
2017-09-14 08:26:13 AM  
2 votes:
Racism is as American as baseball.

Like how baseball integrated black people into the profession, realized that black people had skills that equaled if not exceeded those of white baseball players. Caused those who were first against it, to not only come to terms with it, but accept it and eventually welcome minorities as equals.

The baseball that was once all white and as time went on has now become a melting pot of nationalities and skin color

The baseball that despite the anger and hate directed at the league and black players stood their ground and proved themselves,  persevered through the hate and established themselves, making it that black players today being baseball players a normal thing.

That baseball. Ya, i can see the analogy you are going for.
2017-09-14 04:24:15 AM  
2 votes:

adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.


You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually
2017-09-14 02:52:35 AM  
2 votes:

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


So. These are some words.
2017-09-14 02:13:06 AM  
2 votes:
parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

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Poe slaw?
2017-09-14 02:11:24 AM  
2 votes:

HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?


I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.
2017-09-14 06:42:49 PM  
1 vote:

LordJiro: 8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.

The Nazis who took inspiration from American's treatment of black people and Native Americans? Those Nazis?


Congratulations you found a way to blame America.
2017-09-14 06:28:44 PM  
1 vote:

Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...

You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-ameri​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.


Update

Fake Boston Antifa group, which claimed credit for anti-racism banner at Red Sox game, is actually run by right wing trolls
2017-09-14 01:53:18 PM  
1 vote:

Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?

That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.

How else do you explain the fact the settlers felt justified to carry out the wholesale takeover of land that already had other people living on it, other than the idea that those other people were not important?


Why are you so hellbent on making it a "only whites did this" thing?

Because throughout history humans have been playing a never-ending game of Riskwith racism as its main currency.
2017-09-14 01:11:31 PM  
1 vote:
If everyone was the same color, people would just find something else.
2017-09-14 12:04:06 PM  
1 vote:

Geotpf: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Australia also farked over their indigenous population extremely thoroughly.


They weren't even officially *people* until the 1960s. They were counted, when counted at all, as wildlife.
2017-09-14 11:26:52 AM  
1 vote:
Bleeding, phrenology, and sawing off limbs to treat wounds used to be as American as baseball too.  We (mostly, sigh) don't do that stupid shiat anymore either.  It's almost like there's some sort of process, where we slowly lose the stupider behaviors we engage in in order to function more effectively as a species.  Almost...
2017-09-14 11:20:44 AM  
1 vote:

machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.


Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.
2017-09-14 11:06:58 AM  
1 vote:

This text is now purple: SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Stump#Accusations_of_forgery
http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2015/05/16/ty-cobb-book-charles-leerhsen
http://haulsofshame.com/Final%20SABR%20Article%20-%20as%20published_67​44.pdf

Al Stump was a fraud and a con who stole memorabilia from a dying man and faked what he didn't steal, and gleefully pissed on his legacy doing so.

None of Stump's accusations can be verified. A large chunk of them can be provably refuted.


That may be true, but Cobb early on was very much racist. To be fair, he probably wasn't any more racist than the average white man born in Georgia in the 1880's was, and there were players (Cap Anson in particular) who's racism is probably less well known and scrutinized. He was just the biggest all around asshole in the media of that day and if you're an asshole to the media, they'll tar you the most.
2017-09-14 10:55:47 AM  
1 vote:

durbnpoisn: Likwit: durbnpoisn: Humans are a blank slate.

No, they're definitely not. Now, you could argue that racism is a learned behavior, but humans are not a blank slate.

Well, that's good.  Because that is precisely what I argued in every sentence following that one.

Perhaps I should clarify that there is a difference between racism and bigotry.  Humans are a blank slate where bigotry is concerned.  That is absolutely learned behavior.


Citation, please. Evolutionary psychology suggests that it's not a learned behavior, but a terrible and brutal vestige of days gone by.
2017-09-14 10:22:32 AM  
1 vote:

Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.


Really?

Danzig/Gdansk has been ethnically cleansed four or five times since the American civil war.

This happened as late as 1947.
2017-09-14 10:17:10 AM  
1 vote:

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Stump#Accusations_of_forgery
http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2015/05/16/ty-cobb-book-charles-leerhse​n
http://haulsofshame.com/Final%20SABR%20Article%20-%20as%20published_6​7​44.pdf

Al Stump was a fraud and a con who stole memorabilia from a dying man and faked what he didn't steal, and gleefully pissed on his legacy doing so.

None of Stump's accusations can be verified. A large chunk of them can be provably refuted.
2017-09-14 10:07:51 AM  
1 vote:

NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?


Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.
2017-09-14 10:06:01 AM  
1 vote:

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.

 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.


You sound white.
Japan is not fun when black or brown.
2017-09-14 10:02:00 AM  
1 vote:

Frank N Stein: I was being sarcastic. I'm fully aware of displacement that's happened in Europe (and in Italy specifically, since I studied it in college as my minor)


Ah, my apologies then.  I'm surprised by the number of people who think what you said is accurate.

adj_m: You could argue that Hitler took more than a few pages from the US slavery book to dehumanize them though.


Well, the modern concept of a concentration camp (including the name itself) was generally invented by the Brits during the Second Boer War in the late 1890s.  But things like it were not uncommon in the decades before.  So they certainly sourced their ideas from many places.

And their persecution was both religious and ethnic.  It makes a very easy and clean target when religion and ethnicity are so cleanly tied - and the religion is also the progenitor of the popular faith in the region.  The elements called out to identify them and call them genetically weak were ethnic, but their "dangerous" practices were based on their faith and culture.  So a little of column A, a little of column B....
2017-09-14 09:57:37 AM  
1 vote:
We need to come together as Americans to rid ourselves of both scourges.
2017-09-14 09:38:23 AM  
1 vote:

Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.


Why is it that people are so stunned to find racists in blue states/cities?  Trump got 33% of the vote in Massachusetts, so yeah, it should come as no surprise that there's tens of thousands of racists living there.  But tarring the entire city with a "very racist" moniker is a bit premature.  There's always going to racist assholes no matter where you go, but let's not forget that little less than a month ago, the very same city that we're so quick to deem "very racist" had a huge response to the white supremacist assholes that made national headlines.  Also, Boston and Mass don't elect large numbers racists so while they're certainly there, they don't get to make public policy.
2017-09-14 09:36:22 AM  
1 vote:

parkthebus: jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.

Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?


I never said it was unique in any way, fool. Quit putting words in people's mouths and fighting strawmen.
I've read more books than you have ever seen, most likely.
2017-09-14 09:17:44 AM  
1 vote:

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


That movie is based on the work of Al Stump, who was chiefly responsible for the aforementioned hatchet job. The monstrous-but-talented Cobb of legend is an engaging villain, but much of the underpinning falls apart under scrutiny. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178601094/ty-cobb-histo​ry-built-on-inacc​uracies/
2017-09-14 09:17:36 AM  
1 vote:

ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature


This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.
2017-09-14 09:12:17 AM  
1 vote:
I can't figure out how to react until I learn whether that banner was displayed by the KKK or BLM.
2017-09-14 08:52:07 AM  
1 vote:

Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?


That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.
2017-09-14 08:39:12 AM  
1 vote:

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


Ty Cobb was a lot of bad things, but ironically, he was actually very progressive with regards with race for his day.
2017-09-14 08:37:51 AM  
1 vote:

orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.


https://www.redsoxfoundation.org/redsoxscholars

Let's not let facts get in the way of the narrative.
2017-09-14 08:23:21 AM  
1 vote:

Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.


Eh not so much unfortunately.
2017-09-14 08:23:19 AM  
1 vote:

Pop and Miracle Whip: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/KicXFuwYhbc?start=376 - 480x270]

/An interesting take on racism.


that was really interesting.
2017-09-14 08:20:57 AM  
1 vote:
Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.
2017-09-14 08:19:55 AM  
1 vote:

adj_m: The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle.


This right here is evidence of not studying history means it gets repeated.  The US weren't the first, nor the last place it happened.  WWII wasn't even the first time a country tried to exterminate all Jews.  Actually, previous attempts to kill them all is how most ended up in Poland and Germany.  In case you didn't know, Germany wasn't the last.  Poland tried killing Jews returning after the war, which led to why most ended up in Israel or the US.  Israel was formed because the Allies didn't want all of them.  WWII was history repeating, and so is all the other racist garbage going on now.
2017-09-14 08:19:28 AM  
1 vote:
BFD.  It's the Sox.  Over glorified team.  Worst fans.  F--k em.
2017-09-14 08:18:37 AM  
1 vote:
Many believe the Creator has given humans the capacity to do great things, to love with extraordinary power, to live a life caring for our fellow miracles.

Few take Him up on it.
2017-09-14 07:23:13 AM  
1 vote:
I see the Red Sox are still stealing signs.
2017-09-14 06:38:11 AM  
1 vote:

mongbiohazard: MikeyFuccon: Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.

People are tribalistic by nature, absolutely. That's a general emergent property of who we are though. Racism is a specific concept which needs to be taught and passed along to the next generation when they're old enough to understand it.


Your two comments make no sense together. Yes, people are absolutely tribalistic. That's why racism is an ingrained thing we have to active teach out of our children. This isn't a novel concept; it's what scientific studies tell us, over and over.
2017-09-14 03:18:27 AM  
1 vote:
I saw the headline and figured it was Boston... The curse is because their ownership wanted an all white team instead of a team that could win a World Series.
fark the Red Sox.
2017-09-14 03:18:21 AM  
1 vote:
Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.
2017-09-14 03:17:04 AM  
1 vote:

ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.


Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.
2017-09-14 02:31:52 AM  
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Unikitty: PBS was free, everyonr had it. Or is that the joke?


The point was that the US Government paid for production of many of the shows and for its broadcast.
2017-09-14 02:08:29 AM  
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The banner wasn't black, it was African American you racist rednecks!

/Am I doing it right?
2017-09-14 01:47:57 AM  
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"Please don't be about Boston,please don't be about Boston....fark."
 
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