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2017-09-14 12:07:41 PM  

Unikitty: PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America

Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.


Hey, thanks! I want to buy you dinner and pet your unicorn horn ;)

I like Fark. I used to lurk a long-ass time ago, but most people here are good for conversation, and sometimes I actually learn something!
 
2017-09-14 12:08:24 PM  

Worldwalker: This text is now purple: NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.

Just a minor quibble: serfs were not slaves. Both were not free, but there were certain significant differences.(more so in some societies than others, of course) In particular, serfs belonged to the land, not directly to the landowner. So you own a farm and that farm has a family of serfs working it, but the actual thing you own is the farm; the serfs are more of an asset, like a pond or a forest, instead of a separate thing, like a plow or a pig. I'm most familiar with the society of Middle-Ages England, so this may be less applicable to other countries (Russia in particular comes to mind) but one of the major differences between free and unfree peasants was that the latter were subject to more fees and taxes, owed more labor, etc., to the local lord. For some things (from marrying to moving) they required the lord's permission. But, in actual practice, only the difference in obligations really mattered. Slaves, on the other hand, were direct property of their owners. They could be bought and sold, taken to other places, and so on. They had fewer legal protections, and less of a secure place in society, than serfs.

So there's a lot of complexity and nuance there, but owning land with serfs on it is not quite the same thing as owning slaves. The serfs were part of the land, not separate chattels.


So we agree serfs were kept as property. That was the original question. Not whether they were considered chattel versus real estate.
 
2017-09-14 12:09:43 PM  
Show me a country without racism and I'll show you a country with no minorities.
 
2017-09-14 12:10:16 PM  

skinink: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.


Yes it's a fine veneer for hiding the actual problems. See my previous post for what I mean.
 
2017-09-14 12:17:15 PM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Um, all of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa would like a word with you.
 
2017-09-14 12:19:11 PM  

Frank N Stein: Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

I was being sarcastic. I'm fully aware of displacement that's happened in Europe (and in Italy specifically, since I studied it in college as my minor)


Comment withdrawn.
 
2017-09-14 12:28:09 PM  

PhilCollinsBeatBox: Unikitty: PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America

Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.

Hey, thanks! I want to buy you dinner and pet your unicorn horn ;)

I like Fark. I used to lurk a long-ass time ago, but most people here are good for conversation, and sometimes I actually learn something!


Hey, most welcome. I've been enjoying interacting here myself, I also lurked for many years and just jumped in recently. :) I enjoy learning from the threads and the lively discussions.

I think I'll highlight you in yellow. :)
 
2017-09-14 12:30:52 PM  

Callous: skinink: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.

Yes it's a fine veneer for hiding the actual problems. See my previous post for what I mean.


You're missing the point.  There's institutionalized racism everywhere.  Specifically calling out Boston as "very racist" implies that it is much worse than other places.  It isn't.  Doesn't mean there are no problems, but propping up every racial incident as proof that Boston is sooooo racist only feeds into the "See, You guys are the Real Racists!" narrative that the right is always trying to push.  They do the same thing with incidents of Islamic terrorism as proof that Islam is inherently violent and crimes committed by immigrants as proof that immigrants are inherently dangerous.

As I said in my man-boobies (sic), we should not be wringing our hands and heading for our feinting couches just because there are incidences of racism and actual racists in and around a blue state like Mass.  Expecting there to be none at all is hopelessly naive but otoh their mere existence is proof of nothing.  Racists are everywhere and yes we should root them out wherever they are.  The most important thing, however, is whether or not we elect racists to positions of power and let them set policy.  That's when institutionalization only gets worse.
 
2017-09-14 12:31:03 PM  

AdamK: Likwit: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.

South America's history of racism and racist culture makes ours look like amateur hour.

Worldwalker: SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.

I moved from New Hampshire to South Carolina.

There is significantly more racism in New Hampshire. It may (sometimes) be less overt, but there's nonetheless more of it. New Hampshire is a lily-white state, even more so in the rural areas. In South Carolina, people of different races interact on a daily basis. Certainly there are exceptions, but the sheer difficulty of dealing only with people of your own race, while others around you obviously have no such problems, makes it clear to such a person that they are the exception.

Anyone who flies the Southern Cross (note: the Stars and Bars is a different flag -- see: Georgia state flag) in a Union state should be forcibly relocated to the south. :p

That's a trend i've noticed throughout the western world, sort of like gay homophobes - areas of an overwhelming homogeneous ethnicity claiming to not be racist but then turning out to be racist as soon as minor ...


It's the "grass is greener on the other side" theory, or familiarity breeds contempt. We're used to seeing braying rednecks with Confederate flags here all the time, and since you don't see them in other countries, you figure that they have less issues with racism.

Or in the case of the UK, I'd half jokingly think t's the accent - a proper British accent can make even the dumbest ideas and people sound smart.
 
2017-09-14 12:42:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Have you ever seen old temples in Thailand?  The temples with the idols that look nothing like modern Thai people?  The people who built those temples were wiped out centuries ago.     The whole damn planet is a history of migrations genocides and invasions and displacements.   Why did China need a Great Wall?   The Monguls were invading!   We *try* to be  better than that--which is really cool.   But if the world doesn't match our good intentions we'll end up like the Phoenicians
 
2017-09-14 12:58:04 PM  

Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?

That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.


How else do you explain the fact the settlers felt justified to carry out the wholesale takeover of land that already had other people living on it, other than the idea that those other people were not important?
 
2017-09-14 01:07:10 PM  

Rhypskallion: But if the world doesn't match our good intentions we'll end up like the Phoenicians


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2017-09-14 01:10:05 PM  
What is this with all these needledick liberals trying to push their agendas at sporting events? They came to watch the game, not to be assaulted by your make believe whiny horsesh*t.

Nice to see that they hustled those assholes on out of there pronto.
 
2017-09-14 01:11:31 PM  
If everyone was the same color, people would just find something else.
 
2017-09-14 01:19:39 PM  

Pop and Miracle Whip: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/KicXFuwYhbc?start=376 - 480x270]

/An interesting take on racism.


that was fascinating, thanks for posting
 
2017-09-14 01:40:37 PM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-amer​i​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.
 
2017-09-14 01:53:18 PM  

Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?

That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.

How else do you explain the fact the settlers felt justified to carry out the wholesale takeover of land that already had other people living on it, other than the idea that those other people were not important?


Why are you so hellbent on making it a "only whites did this" thing?

Because throughout history humans have been playing a never-ending game of Riskwith racism as its main currency.
 
2017-09-14 01:56:14 PM  

stuffy: If everyone was the same color, people would just find something else.


Even with color diversity we still find other things. Money, education, fashion-sense, sense of humor/movies/music/food. Perhaps it isn't outright discrimination but no one is free of judgment for others not liking what they don't like.
 
2017-09-14 02:33:50 PM  

This text is now purple: Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

Really?

Danzig/Gdansk has been ethnically cleansed four or five times since the American civil war.

This happened as late as 1947.


Notice I said "striking modern example".  Compared to the sizeable ethnic cleansings used to create new provinces and governments in central Africa and Eastern Europe, Danzig little more than a sizeable footnote of WWII's atrocities.  Type Danzig into a Google search bar.  You'll have to go down a hundred links or more to find something that even mentions the city instead of the band.

Then getting back to the comparative analysis, compared to the wiping of the entirety of dozens of native cultures that occurred in North and Central America over the previous few centuries, the history of the Free City of Danzig isn't in the same ballpark.  And what occurred in the few hundred years previous in Europe was far greater in size.  So I'm not sure why you even brought it up.
 
2017-09-14 04:09:19 PM  
Wow, this shiats starting to get really old, really fast.
 
2017-09-14 04:31:06 PM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


They group is supposedly curing any signs of racism (in baseball) by attention-whoring with racist statements. They wanted to "start a conversation about racism".. now why is that?
 
2017-09-14 04:40:45 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.


It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.
 
2017-09-14 05:04:45 PM  

This text is now purple: Worldwalker: This text is now purple: NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.

Just a minor quibble: serfs were not slaves. Both were not free, but there were certain significant differences.(more so in some societies than others, of course) In particular, serfs belonged to the land, not directly to the landowner. So you own a farm and that farm has a family of serfs working it, but the actual thing you own is the farm; the serfs are more of an asset, like a pond or a forest, instead of a separate thing, like a plow or a pig. I'm most familiar with the society of Middle-Ages England, so this may be less applicable to other countries (Russia in particular comes to mind) but one of the major differences between free and unfree peasants was that the latter were subject to more fees and taxes, owed more labor, etc., to the local lord. For some things (from marrying to moving) they required the lord's permission. But, in actual practice, only the difference in obligations really mattered. Slaves, on the other hand, were direct property of their owners. They could be bought and sold, taken to other places, and so on. They had fewer legal protections, and less of a secure place in society, than serfs.

So there's a lot of complexity and nuance there, but owning land with serfs on it is not quite the same thing as owning slaves. The serfs were part of the land, not separate chattels.

So we agree serfs were kept as property. That was the original question. Not whether they were considered chattel versus real estate.


I wasn't disagreeing. Just being pedantic about the specific type of property.

That to some extent influenced the attitudes toward it. Serfs generally had it somewhat better than slaves because they were, yes, essentially real estate, and in most cases they had some degree of legal or traditional protection. Slaves were the owner's to do whatever he wanted with, Neither one was free, but slaves had it worse than serfs.
 
2017-09-14 05:35:19 PM  
Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."
 
2017-09-14 05:36:19 PM  
After hearing a quote from these idiots on the news, I feel like saying....
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Simpsons did it.
 
2017-09-14 05:37:50 PM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Wow. Are you truly that ignorant of world history? This has occurred in every corner of the globe since the beginning of time.
 
2017-09-14 05:40:18 PM  

adj_m: Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually

Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.


Someone calling someone a racist on Fark?!! Oh my word, such a strong accusation. Surely you can provide a reason for calling me such a thing?
 
2017-09-14 05:44:58 PM  
 
2017-09-14 05:54:50 PM  

sn0wblind: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.

 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.

You sound white.
Japan is not fun when black or brown.


Thailand is the most xenophobic country there is. Mobs of Thais regularly gang up and beat and rob foreigners.
 
2017-09-14 06:10:55 PM  

doubled99: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

Wow. Are you truly that ignorant of world history? This has occurred in every corner of the globe since the beginning of time.


lol. I was being sarcastic. I didn't make that obvious enough though.
 
2017-09-14 06:28:44 PM  

Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...

You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-ameri​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.


Update

Fake Boston Antifa group, which claimed credit for anti-racism banner at Red Sox game, is actually run by right wing trolls
 
2017-09-14 06:42:49 PM  

LordJiro: 8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.

The Nazis who took inspiration from American's treatment of black people and Native Americans? Those Nazis?


Congratulations you found a way to blame America.
 
2017-09-14 07:37:17 PM  
Everything bad in America originated in Massachusetts.
 
2017-09-14 07:42:26 PM  

fusillade762: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...

You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-ameri​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.

Update

Fake Boston Antifa group, which claimed credit for anti-racism banner at Red Sox game, is actually run by right wing trolls


Just so there's no confusion here, the anti-racism group that actually put up the banner is not the right-wing trolls that falsely claims to be Boston Antifa. That was covered in the article I posted.
 
2017-09-14 07:48:24 PM  

doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."


You sound like a white person who thinks they've experienced racism because someone hurt their feelings with a word.
 
2017-09-14 09:17:09 PM  

doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."


Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.
 
2017-09-14 09:24:53 PM  

Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually

Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.

Someone calling someone a racist on Fark?!! Oh my word, such a strong accusation. Surely you can provide a reason for calling me such a thing?


Reading comprehension much? But uh, if you're looking for a reason why people are constantly calling you out as a racist on fark, maybe it has something to do with the things you say?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2017-09-14 09:59:58 PM  

Khellendros: doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."

Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.


Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.
 
2017-09-15 07:31:13 AM  

AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.


There are black hockey players? *snert*
 
2017-09-15 08:15:51 AM  

Unikitty: AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.

There are black hockey players? *snert*


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2017-09-15 09:11:10 AM  

Frank N Stein: Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.


I never said it didn't. I was arguing against the minimization of racism in the U.S. based on the "it's worse elsewhere, so shut up" argument.
 
2017-09-15 09:12:28 AM  

Khellendros: doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."

Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.


"Privilege" is nothing more than a word you use to dismiss opinions you don't like.
 
2017-09-15 09:22:14 AM  

Khellendros: Frank N Stein: Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.

I never said it didn't. I was arguing against the minimization of racism in the U.S. based on the "it's worse elsewhere, so shut up" argument.


I don't think anyone is saying that. It's all just a matter of perspective.
 
2017-09-15 10:21:34 AM  

AdamK: Unikitty: AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.

There are black hockey players? *snert*

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Well, that is the most awesome thing I've seen all day.

/Blackhawks fan
 
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