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2017-09-13 10:50:53 PM  
What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.
 
2017-09-13 11:39:33 PM  
Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.
 
2017-09-14 12:03:22 AM  

MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.


Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.
 
2017-09-14 01:40:22 AM  

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


Human beings are tribal by nature, but the definition of how to identify who is part of your tribe and who is not has to be taught. Race is not itself an inherent genetically programmed identifier, while those close to you and people who you interact with every day are. Racists know this, which is why they get so upset at seeing different races interact in a positive way on TV shows and in movies. This normalizes things for their kids in direct opposition to what the parents are trying to teach them.

One of the greatest things that our government did to help the racism issue for Generation X was to fund the CPB, which produced many PBS shows such as Sesame Street. Our parents didn't watch it much, but they thought it must be educational. It was, but in far more ways than they could have known. Seeing black and white adults living on the same street and getting along and having nothing but positive interactions, seeing black and white kids in the same skit interacting like normal kids - these things helped normalize getting along. Advertisers starting picking up on this - remember the Sunny D commercial from the 80's with a bunch of thirsty kids of various races in a clean, upper-middle class suburban home opening the fridge together? Things like this helped de-program a lot of people subconsciously. Now it's the norm.

Most racists nowadays had shiatty childhoods and didn't get to watch Sesame Street or The Electric Company or Saturday morning cartoons with racial integration and commercials featuring kids of all races playing together with whatever toys you were supposed to beg your parents for.

So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.
 
2017-09-14 01:40:32 AM  
I think it's true that it's in our nature to fear, and therefore be biased against, the 'other'. Thousands of years of evolution saw to that.

However I also think how that aspect of our nature is channeled is up for grabs. We don't have to be racist, we choose to be, at least those of us who are choose to be. That's where environment comes in, and explains why some people just aren't as xenophobic as others. It also explains why you might not be racist, but instead might be sexist, or homophobic, or intolerant of other religions. The way you grew up and the environment around you has determined how you channel it. With some self awareness and a willingness to work on it, I believe everyone can change how they channel it. Some people simply don't want to change it.
 
2017-09-14 01:47:32 AM  
I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...
 
2017-09-14 01:47:57 AM  
"Please don't be about Boston,please don't be about Boston....fark."
 
2017-09-14 01:52:36 AM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


I noticed it was placed over an ad for Foxwoods Casino, owned by Mashantuckett Pequod Tribal Nations.  So yeah, racism is pretty much as American as baseball, but with even a longer history.
 
2017-09-14 01:57:38 AM  

MikeyFuccon: Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.


People are tribalistic by nature, absolutely. That's a general emergent property of who we are though. Racism is a specific concept which needs to be taught and passed along to the next generation when they're old enough to understand it.
 
2017-09-14 02:01:51 AM  
Most people reading the article are trying to figure out if they should blame someone for something.  Is Boston racist?  Is baseball racist?  The answer to claims of racism is always "Yes".  Always say that everyone is racist.  Everyone is racist, because of racism.  You know it, you racist.
 
2017-09-14 02:03:33 AM  
Thanks Obama!

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//what a beautiful image
 
2017-09-14 02:03:56 AM  
Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.
 
2017-09-14 02:04:12 AM  
I'd wager this was a cute little stunt performed by some millennials. Anyone care to bet against that?
 
2017-09-14 02:06:18 AM  
Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.
 
2017-09-14 02:07:01 AM  

parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.


MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?
 
2017-09-14 02:08:08 AM  
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"Boston is old fashioned, which is code for racist"
 
2017-09-14 02:08:29 AM  
The banner wasn't black, it was African American you racist rednecks!

/Am I doing it right?
 
2017-09-14 02:10:38 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

[ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com image 680x454]

//what a beautiful image


One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

drakeindcdotcom.files.wordpress.comView Full Size


And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.
 
2017-09-14 02:11:05 AM  
To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.
 
2017-09-14 02:11:24 AM  

HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?


I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.
 
2017-09-14 02:13:06 AM  
parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

...not sure if serious.jpg

Poe slaw?
 
2017-09-14 02:14:07 AM  

ox45tallboy: Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.

Human beings are tribal by nature, but the definition of how to identify who is part of your tribe and who is not has to be taught. Race is not itself an inherent genetically programmed identifier, while those close to you and people who you interact with every day are. Racists know this, which is why they get so upset at seeing different races interact in a positive way on TV shows and in movies. This normalizes things for their kids in direct opposition to what the parents are trying to teach them.

One of the greatest things that our government did to help the racism issue for Generation X was to fund the CPB, which produced many PBS shows such as Sesame Street. Our parents didn't watch it much, but they thought it must be educational. It was, but in far more ways than they could have known. Seeing black and white adults living on the same street and getting along and having nothing but positive interactions, seeing black and white kids in the same skit interacting like normal kids - these things helped normalize getting along. Advertisers starting picking up on this - remember the Sunny D commercial from the 80's with a bunch of thirsty kids of various races in a clean, upper-middle class suburban home opening the fridge together? Things like this helped de-program a lot of people subconsciously. Now it's the norm.

Most racists nowadays had shiatty childhoods and didn't get to watch Sesame Street or The Electric Company or Saturday morning cartoons with racial integration and commercials featuring kids of all races playing together with whatever toys you were supposed to beg your parents for.

So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.


PBS was free, everyonr had it. Or is that the joke?
 
2017-09-14 02:17:22 AM  

GrendelMk1: parkthebus:  with America being one of the least offenders

...not sure if serious.jpg

Poe slaw?

The more you know.jpg


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2017-09-14 02:19:38 AM  

Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.


Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.
 
2017-09-14 02:20:36 AM  

parkthebus: I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.


I am very much in general agreement with you, but this past election has forced racism to the forefront of the country yet again.

Something needs to be done about it. The country as a whole keeps throwing it on the back burner where it just stews and stews.
 
2017-09-14 02:23:11 AM  
Man, Diamond City has really gone downhill.
 
2017-09-14 02:24:27 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.


Neither was baseball.
 
2017-09-14 02:25:16 AM  

Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.


Which part do you consider untrue?
 
2017-09-14 02:31:52 AM  

Unikitty: PBS was free, everyonr had it. Or is that the joke?


The point was that the US Government paid for production of many of the shows and for its broadcast.
 
2017-09-14 02:33:10 AM  

parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.


Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.
 
2017-09-14 02:35:46 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.
 
2017-09-14 02:37:16 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.
 
2017-09-14 02:39:34 AM  

8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.


The Nazis kept people as slaves for hundreds of years and refused to recognize them as full-fledged people until the 60's?  Lots of government-sponsored monuments to great Nazis around these days?

Badge-wearing Nazis do a lot of killing unarmed black men without reprisal here in 2017?
 
2017-09-14 02:43:23 AM  

parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.


 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.
 
2017-09-14 02:44:08 AM  
Well... yeah, but we've gotten a lot better over the years, it isn't enthusiastically backed by as large of a percent of the population as even a couple decades ago. We've been dealing with the racism bit too.
 
2017-09-14 02:44:50 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: Man, Diamond City has really gone downhill.


Nah.  It's widely known that mutants aren't typically allowed due to racism in Diamond City.
 
2017-09-14 02:46:03 AM  

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


I had an entire essay written out here before I saw who I was replying to.

A hat tip for the Poe slaw, good sir.
 
2017-09-14 02:50:15 AM  
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2017-09-14 02:52:35 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.


So. These are some words.
 
2017-09-14 02:53:35 AM  

parkthebus: HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?

I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.


Ideally, would be nice. Not gonna happen in the near future, 'cuz there's still a shiatton of work to do to actually make the races equal, and to make up for past abuses.
 
2017-09-14 02:53:35 AM  

8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.


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/haven't actually read it
 
2017-09-14 02:57:10 AM  

8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.


The Nazis who took inspiration from American's treatment of black people and Native Americans? Those Nazis?
 
2017-09-14 03:10:22 AM  
Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.
 
2017-09-14 03:13:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

[ionenewpittsburghcourier.files.wordpress.com image 680x454]

//what a beautiful image

One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

[drakeindcdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 850x566]

And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.


I will add this:
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2017-09-14 03:17:04 AM  

ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.


Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.
 
2017-09-14 03:18:21 AM  
Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.
 
2017-09-14 03:18:27 AM  
I saw the headline and figured it was Boston... The curse is because their ownership wanted an all white team instead of a team that could win a World Series.
fark the Red Sox.
 
2017-09-14 03:23:38 AM  

randomjsa: Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.


What exactly does this thread have to do with climate change?  Or for that matter,  what does it have to do with whatever you perceive what reality is?
 
2017-09-14 04:05:11 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.


That's cool. After all, you can't say "quibble" without
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2017-09-14 04:06:40 AM  
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2017-09-14 04:07:55 AM  

Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.


The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.
 
2017-09-14 04:24:15 AM  

adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.


You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually
 
2017-09-14 04:41:05 AM  

orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.


Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball
 
2017-09-14 04:43:43 AM  

Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually


Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.
 
2017-09-14 05:27:57 AM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


I'm thinking it was anti, most pro racist don't use the word racist they hide it by saying they are not racist they are pro Western culture or some BS like that. So on top of being racist they are cowardly too since they can't stand up for what they believe. Like a bunch of those idiots in Charlottesville that got outed and cried about it.
 
2017-09-14 05:47:39 AM  

I Ate Shergar: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.

Neither was baseball.


The short version
 
2017-09-14 05:50:34 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: To quibble a bit, racism was definitely not invented here.


No, just perfected.
 
2017-09-14 05:53:53 AM  
Agh, never mind.  Point taken.
 
2017-09-14 06:00:33 AM  

orangehat: randomjsa: Is that actual racism or the kind liberals make up when they don't have a good argument?

Which is not to say liberals never have a good argument. Those of them that do things like actually pay attention to what climate science says without devolving into hysterical shrieking when confronted with a moronic denialist for instance.

What exactly does this thread have to do with climate change?  Or for that matter,  what does it have to do with whatever you perceive what reality is?


It's called deflection.  It's what he does best.
 
2017-09-14 06:12:15 AM  

ox45tallboy: So yes, racism has to be programmed, but it can be de-programmed.


And for only $97, you can detoxify your whiteness.

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2017-09-14 06:19:38 AM  

orangehat: I saw the headline and figured it was Boston... The curse is because their ownership wanted an all white team instead of a team that could win a World Series.
fark the Red Sox.


Pass up talent for skin color and invent a curse to cover it up.  Sounds about as Red Sox as it gets
 
2017-09-14 06:28:03 AM  

LordJiro: parkthebus: HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?

I would suggest that we focus on ourselves as Americans who share the opportunity this country provides, and quit dividing ourselves by our racial genetics. More on the order of MLK's beliefs, you know.

Ideally, would be nice. Not gonna happen in the near future, 'cuz there's still a shiatton of work to do to actually make the races equal, and to make up for past abuses.


Neither MLK's dream nor reparations/"equity of outcomes" are ever going to happen in the US.  We will break apart within 50 years along ethnic/racial-geographic lines.  The West coast/Hawaii will be the first block to secede.
 
2017-09-14 06:34:16 AM  

Ooba Tooba: /you'll get over it
//eventually


You're far too optimistic.  This country will never get over it.  Our original sin is our fatal flaw.
 
2017-09-14 06:38:11 AM  

mongbiohazard: MikeyFuccon: Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.

People are tribalistic by nature, absolutely. That's a general emergent property of who we are though. Racism is a specific concept which needs to be taught and passed along to the next generation when they're old enough to understand it.


Your two comments make no sense together. Yes, people are absolutely tribalistic. That's why racism is an ingrained thing we have to active teach out of our children. This isn't a novel concept; it's what scientific studies tell us, over and over.
 
2017-09-14 06:55:02 AM  
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American as apple pie.
American as baseball.
Racism is as American as baseball.
Baseball is racism.
Racism is apple pie.
Apple Pie is baseball.

I'm confused.
 
2017-09-14 07:09:48 AM  

MikeyFuccon: Calling racism an American thing is pretty parochial itself. The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Call racism the eighth deadly sin, and at least as destructive as the other seven, vanity and covetousness especially. Condemn it when you see it. Just don't kid yourself that you'll ever see the back of it---or that you're immune to its temptations.


well, the 7 deadly sins are religious in nature.  all religions are racist.
 
2017-09-14 07:11:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


Humans are a blank slate.  The racism you see around you is entirely cultural.  It exists because people insist on having things their own way.  So large groups of people that are of the same race tend to be together and exclude those that are not.  Every race does this.  It's not just about skin color, either.  People want to hang out with people that are culturally similar to themselves.  This is the instinctive part of the equation.

In super large populations, like urban areas, there tends to be many more races, all around each other all the time, therefore the groups interact with each other.  We call this diversity.  In those places, racism is not so bad.  Tolerance and acceptance are more the norm.  It's not usually any worse than identifying people who are from WAY outside the current groups. (foreigners)

In places where the populations are very small, the groups are spread out and have less interaction.  And here is where the problems start.
In those places, the people interact so very little, that they know very little about each other.  All they get is the bullshiat, stereotypes, and xenophobia passed down from their parents and friends.

This is where the concept that "racism is learned" comes from.  And in my experience, it is exactly the case.

In any event, the one thing that trumps all of this is education.  This, unfortunately, is also lacking in the very rural areas.  If you want racism fixed, then fix education.
 
2017-09-14 07:20:19 AM  
Dear Antifa,
You are so very truly not helping.

Sincerely,
America
 
2017-09-14 07:22:16 AM  

HedlessChickn: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

MMhm.

OK.

So, because we're less racist than other countries we should...?

What?

Continue working on making it less racist?

Stop working on it because it's good enough?


What exactly is your point?


That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.
Get real with yourselves - nobody is asking you to feel "guilty" or take responsibility for anything (Heaven forbid) - just accept the fact. America is racist right down to it's very bones - and if we don't like that, we need to change it, not deny it.
Those who deny it are those who do not wish to change it.
 
2017-09-14 07:23:13 AM  
I see the Red Sox are still stealing signs.
 
2017-09-14 07:23:58 AM  
Best of the Week - August 27, 2017 - Joe Rogan Experience
Youtube KicXFuwYhbc


/An interesting take on racism.
 
2017-09-14 07:42:13 AM  
I just want to say that both racism and baseball suck, and that I hope that my grandkids get to grow up in a world free of both of them.
 
2017-09-14 07:47:58 AM  

durbnpoisn: Humans are a blank slate.


No, they're definitely not. Now, you could argue that racism is a learned behavior, but humans are not a blank slate.
 
2017-09-14 08:15:26 AM  
What we need is a racism hall of fame.
 
2017-09-14 08:17:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.

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2017-09-14 08:18:37 AM  
Many believe the Creator has given humans the capacity to do great things, to love with extraordinary power, to live a life caring for our fellow miracles.

Few take Him up on it.
 
2017-09-14 08:19:28 AM  
BFD.  It's the Sox.  Over glorified team.  Worst fans.  F--k em.
 
2017-09-14 08:19:55 AM  

adj_m: The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle.


This right here is evidence of not studying history means it gets repeated.  The US weren't the first, nor the last place it happened.  WWII wasn't even the first time a country tried to exterminate all Jews.  Actually, previous attempts to kill them all is how most ended up in Poland and Germany.  In case you didn't know, Germany wasn't the last.  Poland tried killing Jews returning after the war, which led to why most ended up in Israel or the US.  Israel was formed because the Allies didn't want all of them.  WWII was history repeating, and so is all the other racist garbage going on now.
 
2017-09-14 08:20:57 AM  
Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.
 
2017-09-14 08:23:19 AM  

Pop and Miracle Whip: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/KicXFuwYhbc?start=376 - 480x270]

/An interesting take on racism.


that was really interesting.
 
2017-09-14 08:23:21 AM  

Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.


Eh not so much unfortunately.
 
2017-09-14 08:26:13 AM  
Racism is as American as baseball.

Like how baseball integrated black people into the profession, realized that black people had skills that equaled if not exceeded those of white baseball players. Caused those who were first against it, to not only come to terms with it, but accept it and eventually welcome minorities as equals.

The baseball that was once all white and as time went on has now become a melting pot of nationalities and skin color

The baseball that despite the anger and hate directed at the league and black players stood their ground and proved themselves,  persevered through the hate and established themselves, making it that black players today being baseball players a normal thing.

That baseball. Ya, i can see the analogy you are going for.
 
2017-09-14 08:27:37 AM  

SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.


I'm sure there are good parts of New Hampshire but having recently hiked the AT the through the state it's like as soon as you cross the border from Vermont into NH you start running into rednecks and meth heads. I honestly couldn't tell that I was in the northeast.
 
2017-09-14 08:31:32 AM  
sigh

And I was excited we gained a game in the division as well as the wildcard.

Whether we like it or not this is gonna get worse. I'm sorry.
 
2017-09-14 08:32:40 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball


??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.
 
2017-09-14 08:37:51 AM  

orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.


https://www.redsoxfoundation.org/redsoxscholars

Let's not let facts get in the way of the narrative.
 
2017-09-14 08:37:52 AM  

hobbes0022: What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.


racism is as baseball as American?
 
2017-09-14 08:37:58 AM  

hobbes0022: What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.


American is as baseball as racism?
 
2017-09-14 08:39:12 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


Ty Cobb was a lot of bad things, but ironically, he was actually very progressive with regards with race for his day.
 
2017-09-14 08:41:33 AM  

machoprogrammer: hobbes0022: What good about that headline is "American", "racism", and "baseball" can be put in any order and still work.

racism is as baseball as American?


Racism is as baseball as America (is baseball)
 
2017-09-14 08:41:50 AM  
I think this all stems from the baseballs being white.
 
2017-09-14 08:46:07 AM  

ox45tallboy: Harry_Seldon: Thanks Obama!

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//what a beautiful image

One of my favorites on this subject was this one:

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And yes, for those who don't know, the woman Obama is talking to is Ruby Bridges, the little girl from the painting.


Is this where Trump hung that big printout of the electoral map?
 
2017-09-14 08:52:07 AM  

Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?


That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.
 
2017-09-14 09:01:25 AM  

Mayhem_2006: The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".


If they'd have bothered to have proper deeds to the land and teepees filed at the county courthouse, they'd
still have the land.
 
2017-09-14 09:08:21 AM  

suicidejocky: Racism is as American as baseball.

Like how baseball integrated black people into the profession, realized that black people had skills that equaled if not exceeded those of white baseball players. Caused those who were first against it, to not only come to terms with it, but accept it and eventually welcome minorities as equals.

The baseball that was once all white and as time went on has now become a melting pot of nationalities and skin color

The baseball that despite the anger and hate directed at the league and black players stood their ground and proved themselves,  persevered through the hate and established themselves, making it that black players today being baseball players a normal thing.

That baseball. Ya, i can see the analogy you are going for.


Baseball that has exploited the hell out of Latin America for decades? That has laughable numbers of minorities in management and front offices? That has had dwindling numbers of African-American players for decades?

Oh but Jackie Robinson yay baseball is a shining beacon of equality
 
2017-09-14 09:12:17 AM  
I can't figure out how to react until I learn whether that banner was displayed by the KKK or BLM.
 
2017-09-14 09:16:27 AM  

jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.


Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?
 
2017-09-14 09:17:12 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Baseball that has exploited the hell out of Latin America for decades?


Yeah, who can forget those times that MLB staged coups in South American countries so they can forcibly take children to raise them as ballplayers to be exported to America and clearcut rain forests to grow baseball bat lumber.
 
2017-09-14 09:17:36 AM  

ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature


This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.
 
2017-09-14 09:17:44 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


That movie is based on the work of Al Stump, who was chiefly responsible for the aforementioned hatchet job. The monstrous-but-talented Cobb of legend is an engaging villain, but much of the underpinning falls apart under scrutiny. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178601094/ty-cobb-histo​ry-built-on-inacc​uracies/
 
2017-09-14 09:18:15 AM  

IlGreven: I can't figure out how to react until I learn whether that banner was displayed by the KKK or BLM.


I'm assuming it was anti-racism activists making (or trying to make) an anti-racism-in-America statement.

(From a quick survey of posts from my Facebook friends this morning, that's not how it was received.)
 
2017-09-14 09:20:51 AM  

jso2897: It was built on land stolen


No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.
 
2017-09-14 09:24:16 AM  

parkthebus: jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.

Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?


"Ethnic cleansing" is going on right now in several places throughout the world.  It could be argued that America today is more racist than most places in Europe.  It certainly can't be argued that America is more racist than the places that are murdering hundreds of thousands of people, right now, today (e.g. Sudan, Syria).
 
2017-09-14 09:26:34 AM  

SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.


Have a citation on the confederate flags at the Claremont protest?
 
2017-09-14 09:29:50 AM  
Mayor Tilman: Do you like baseball, do you, Anderson?
Anderson: Yeah, I do. You know, it's the only time when a black man can wave a stick at a white man and not start a riot.
 
2017-09-14 09:36:22 AM  

parkthebus: jso2897: That America is supposedly "less racist" than other nations - a demonstrable falsehood - we are a nation whose VERY EXISTENCE was only made possible by racism, and that was literally built out of racism -- block by block.
It was built on land stolen from people who had been declared subhuman, mostly with labor extracted from people who had been declared subhuman.

Someone needs to learn a bit of world history and stop being so parochial. Perhaps you could consider traveling a bit too. America is not the first place what you described has happened. The library is full of books, maybe you could read a few?


I never said it was unique in any way, fool. Quit putting words in people's mouths and fighting strawmen.
I've read more books than you have ever seen, most likely.
 
2017-09-14 09:38:23 AM  

Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.


Why is it that people are so stunned to find racists in blue states/cities?  Trump got 33% of the vote in Massachusetts, so yeah, it should come as no surprise that there's tens of thousands of racists living there.  But tarring the entire city with a "very racist" moniker is a bit premature.  There's always going to racist assholes no matter where you go, but let's not forget that little less than a month ago, the very same city that we're so quick to deem "very racist" had a huge response to the white supremacist assholes that made national headlines.  Also, Boston and Mass don't elect large numbers racists so while they're certainly there, they don't get to make public policy.
 
2017-09-14 09:39:27 AM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


No it isn't - and I neither said nor implied that is was. Seems like the slightest criticism gets some people's backs up.
 
2017-09-14 09:42:07 AM  

Frank N Stein: No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

We're a young country, and still dealing with a cultural adolescence.  Our founding was rocky as hell, as much as we attempt to romanticize it.  Combining dozens of large cultures in that period of time isn't going to produce anything resembling a smooth result this quickly.  We're basically a milkshake 3 seconds after turning on the blender.

Only 150 years since ending slavery, only 50 years since ending Jim Crow and integrating schools and the Loving v. Virginia case.  We still have so far to go.  We spook easily, are threatened easily.  Our "cultural" institutions are weak and self-defeating, and people feel the need to defend and violently react at verbal threats to them.  And worst of all, we're horribly myopic. If it didn't happen here, if it hasn't been tried here, it's not even in people's mind as a possibility.  We have little idea of the scope of history and our part in it.
 
2017-09-14 09:42:50 AM  

Persnickety: Why is it that people are so stunned to find racists in blue states/cities? Trump got 33% of the vote in Massachusetts, so yeah, it should come as no surprise that there's tens of thousands of racists living there. But tarring the entire city with a "very racist" moniker is a bit premature. There's always going to racist assholes no matter where you go, but let's not forget that little less than a month ago, the very same city that we're so quick to deem "very racist" had a huge response to the white supremacist assholes that made national headlines. Also, Boston and Mass don't elect large numbers racists so while they're certainly there, they don't get to make public policy.


I think the majority of Americans want to see us change for the better. I don't doubt that it's true in Mass.
 
2017-09-14 09:44:38 AM  

Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.


I was being sarcastic. I'm fully aware of displacement that's happened in Europe (and in Italy specifically, since I studied it in college as my minor)
 
2017-09-14 09:51:06 AM  

lack of warmth: adj_m: The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle.

This right here is evidence of not studying history means it gets repeated.  The US weren't the first, nor the last place it happened.  WWII wasn't even the first time a country tried to exterminate all Jews.  Actually, previous attempts to kill them all is how most ended up in Poland and Germany.  In case you didn't know, Germany wasn't the last.  Poland tried killing Jews returning after the war, which led to why most ended up in Israel or the US.  Israel was formed because the Allies didn't want all of them.  WWII was history repeating, and so is all the other racist garbage going on now.


I'd say that had more to do with religious persecution than with the colour of their skin, and when was the last time they were enslaved on a national level? Ancient Egypt?

You could argue that Hitler took more than a few pages from the US slavery book to dehumanize them though.
 
2017-09-14 09:55:43 AM  
This is no big deal - we are just too sensitive to criticism.
The ideal is that racism is "Un-American" - and that's a great ideal, and one that I heartily endorse.
But the reality is that America is a racist nation, born and bred in racism, and only existing because of racism.
It is nothing to cry about, be especially ashamed of, feel personal guilt about, or apologize for.
It does not make us by any means unique.
But it is a bad thing, and we need to fix it, and good Americans want to fix it.
That is all.
 
2017-09-14 09:57:37 AM  
We need to come together as Americans to rid ourselves of both scourges.
 
2017-09-14 10:02:00 AM  

Frank N Stein: I was being sarcastic. I'm fully aware of displacement that's happened in Europe (and in Italy specifically, since I studied it in college as my minor)


Ah, my apologies then.  I'm surprised by the number of people who think what you said is accurate.

adj_m: You could argue that Hitler took more than a few pages from the US slavery book to dehumanize them though.


Well, the modern concept of a concentration camp (including the name itself) was generally invented by the Brits during the Second Boer War in the late 1890s.  But things like it were not uncommon in the decades before.  So they certainly sourced their ideas from many places.

And their persecution was both religious and ethnic.  It makes a very easy and clean target when religion and ethnicity are so cleanly tied - and the religion is also the progenitor of the popular faith in the region.  The elements called out to identify them and call them genetically weak were ethnic, but their "dangerous" practices were based on their faith and culture.  So a little of column A, a little of column B....
 
2017-09-14 10:02:58 AM  

varnigus: We need to come together as Americans to rid ourselves of both scourges.


There are only two scourges?
Looks like a lot more, to me.
 
2017-09-14 10:04:17 AM  

jso2897: varnigus: We need to come together as Americans to rid ourselves of both scourges.

There are only two scourges?
Looks like a lot more, to me.


"Scourges" is archaic. They're called "leagues" now.
 
2017-09-14 10:06:01 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.

 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.


You sound white.
Japan is not fun when black or brown.
 
2017-09-14 10:07:51 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?


Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.
 
2017-09-14 10:15:12 AM  
Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America
 
2017-09-14 10:17:10 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Stump#Accusations_of_forgery
http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2015/05/16/ty-cobb-book-charles-leerhse​n
http://haulsofshame.com/Final%20SABR%20Article%20-%20as%20published_6​7​44.pdf

Al Stump was a fraud and a con who stole memorabilia from a dying man and faked what he didn't steal, and gleefully pissed on his legacy doing so.

None of Stump's accusations can be verified. A large chunk of them can be provably refuted.
 
2017-09-14 10:18:55 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Baseball that has exploited the hell out of Latin America for decades? That has laughable numbers of minorities in management and front offices? That has had dwindling numbers of African-American players for decades?


For the purposes of your rant, is David Ortiz African-American or Latin-American?
 
2017-09-14 10:21:29 AM  

sn0wblind: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.

 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.

You sound white.
Japan is not fun when black or brown.


Or Korean. When they disappear, they "just went home." The closure rate for murders and missing persons is deliberately suppressed for gaijin, especially the "sick men of Asia." That's quite a bit more of a problem than being stared at constantly, having trouble finding a home, or seeing blackface on tv.
 
2017-09-14 10:22:32 AM  

Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.


Really?

Danzig/Gdansk has been ethnically cleansed four or five times since the American civil war.

This happened as late as 1947.
 
2017-09-14 10:28:58 AM  

Mike_LowELL: MikeyFuccon: The more I see and hear of people, the more convinced I am that that's just how they are.

Well, the thing is, I have a friend, he says that human beings are blank canvases, like, humans would die from a lack of oxygen if they didn't learn how to breathe from their parents.  But I have another friend who says that our genetics overpower any cultural predisposition, and therefore, Pepe the Frog was right to deny memes based on the color of their skin.

Makes me wonder what you guy's think.  I know your all capable of hereing each other out.


Old Mike is in with the reverse-grammar-nazi troll. Good show.
 
2017-09-14 10:37:02 AM  
See when I first heard about this story I thought it was about how the sign was calling out the inherit racism in baseball.
Cause even decades after Jackie Robinson Baseball is racist as fark, with the minor leagues still having lots of very backward-ass compensation and performance.  Hell until moneyball players who were huge team players but not hitters routinely were paid based on the completely arbitrary value management assigned them.

Now clearly that wasn't the signs intention but damn people racism is super alive in the US especially around sports fans.
 
2017-09-14 10:38:40 AM  

PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America


Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.
 
2017-09-14 10:40:12 AM  
If only that had been followed up with a 'Sieg Heil' to punctuate the stupidity
 
2017-09-14 10:47:09 AM  

Likwit: durbnpoisn: Humans are a blank slate.

No, they're definitely not. Now, you could argue that racism is a learned behavior, but humans are not a blank slate.


Well, that's good.  Because that is precisely what I argued in every sentence following that one.

Perhaps I should clarify that there is a difference between racism and bigotry.  Humans are a blank slate where bigotry is concerned.  That is absolutely learned behavior.
 
2017-09-14 10:55:47 AM  

durbnpoisn: Likwit: durbnpoisn: Humans are a blank slate.

No, they're definitely not. Now, you could argue that racism is a learned behavior, but humans are not a blank slate.

Well, that's good.  Because that is precisely what I argued in every sentence following that one.

Perhaps I should clarify that there is a difference between racism and bigotry.  Humans are a blank slate where bigotry is concerned.  That is absolutely learned behavior.


Citation, please. Evolutionary psychology suggests that it's not a learned behavior, but a terrible and brutal vestige of days gone by.
 
2017-09-14 11:00:53 AM  
Get A BRAIN! MORANS
IT'S apple pie!.
 
2017-09-14 11:06:58 AM  

This text is now purple: SirEattonHogg: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: orangehat: ralphjr: Racism in baseball? That's disgusting! I bet Ty Cobb is rolling in his grave.

Ironically, Ty Cobb put a lot more black kids through college than the Red Sox ever did.

Ty Cobb was no saint but he had a massive hatchet job done on his reputation by an asshole author or two.

/"the Negro should be accepted and not grudgingly but wholeheartedly." - Cobb on racial integration of baseball

??? I really have to look this up.  Cobb is like the anti-hero of baseball lore.  Granted I'm more just a casual baseball fan but Cobb is the villain - the talented guy but opposite Babe Ruth and Honus Wagner.  When I think of Cobb  I think of Tommy Lee Jones' depiction of the guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Stump#Accusations_of_forgery
http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2015/05/16/ty-cobb-book-charles-leerhsen
http://haulsofshame.com/Final%20SABR%20Article%20-%20as%20published_67​44.pdf

Al Stump was a fraud and a con who stole memorabilia from a dying man and faked what he didn't steal, and gleefully pissed on his legacy doing so.

None of Stump's accusations can be verified. A large chunk of them can be provably refuted.


That may be true, but Cobb early on was very much racist. To be fair, he probably wasn't any more racist than the average white man born in Georgia in the 1880's was, and there were players (Cap Anson in particular) who's racism is probably less well known and scrutinized. He was just the biggest all around asshole in the media of that day and if you're an asshole to the media, they'll tar you the most.
 
2017-09-14 11:17:33 AM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.
 
2017-09-14 11:19:42 AM  

Splinthar: See when I first heard about this story I thought it was about how the sign was calling out the inherit racism in baseball.
Cause even decades after Jackie Robinson Baseball is racist as fark, with the minor leagues still having lots of very backward-ass compensation and performance.  Hell until moneyball players who were huge team players but not hitters routinely were paid based on the completely arbitrary value management assigned them.

Now clearly that wasn't the signs intention but damn people racism is super alive in the US especially around sports fans.


I would argue that baseball is probably the most fully integrated sport.  Of course, I'm a fan of the Dodgers, which has a black manager, three asian starting pitchers, a rainbow coalition of other players, and a general tradition of inclusiveness.  And the whole moneyball aspect has, in fact, caused massive amounts of different stats to fall from the sky, to be able to prove somebody's worth in a non-biased fashion.

As for the minor leagues, everybody there is treated like shiat, black, white, brown, or purple.  On the lower levels (A ball), salaries are less than minimum wage if you include mandatory practice and team meeting time and travel and the like.  Of course, the goal there is to get enough coaching and practice to move up and eventually make the majors (where minimum salaries are ridiculously high).  The minor leagues are on-the-job training, nothing more, nothing less.  They are not a means to an end by themselves.
 
2017-09-14 11:20:44 AM  

machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.


Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.
 
2017-09-14 11:20:52 AM  

machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.


Australia also farked over their indigenous population extremely thoroughly.
 
2017-09-14 11:21:58 AM  

SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.


I moved from New Hampshire to South Carolina.

There is significantly more racism in New Hampshire. It may (sometimes) be less overt, but there's nonetheless more of it. New Hampshire is a lily-white state, even more so in the rural areas. In South Carolina, people of different races interact on a daily basis. Certainly there are exceptions, but the sheer difficulty of dealing only with people of your own race, while others around you obviously have no such problems, makes it clear to such a person that they are the exception.

Anyone who flies the Southern Cross (note: the Stars and Bars is a different flag -- see: Georgia state flag) in a Union state should be forcibly relocated to the south. :p
 
2017-09-14 11:26:52 AM  
Bleeding, phrenology, and sawing off limbs to treat wounds used to be as American as baseball too.  We (mostly, sigh) don't do that stupid shiat anymore either.  It's almost like there's some sort of process, where we slowly lose the stupider behaviors we engage in in order to function more effectively as a species.  Almost...
 
2017-09-14 11:26:57 AM  

Persnickety: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

Why is it that people are so stunned to find racists in blue states/cities?  Trump got 33% of the vote in Massachusetts, so yeah, it should come as no surprise that there's tens of thousands of racists living there.  But tarring the entire city with a "very racist" moniker is a bit premature.  There's always going to racist assholes no matter where you go, but let's not forget that little less than a month ago, the very same city that we're so quick to deem "very racist" had a huge response to the white supremacist assholes that made national headlines.  Also, Boston and Mass don't elect large numbers racists so while they're certainly there, they don't get to make public policy.


The problem is that we(Bostonians) like to pretend it's not there.  And it's very much there.  It's not so much in the elected officials as much as the un-elected ones.

Example:  Myself, father, brother, and brother's father-in-law all applied for gun permits for the first time at the same time.  We all took the safety coarse at the same place at the same time.  Myself, father, and brother all got Licences To Carry with no restrictions.  My brother's FIL is a retired army veteran who currently contracts for the Army testing small arms after they are refurbished.  He has a spotless criminal record but got limited to target and hunting only.  So the Army pays him to test machine guns but the local police chief doesn't trust him with a pistol.  Me, my father and brother are all white(looking, my bro and I are part native american from our mother) and have a white last name.  Brother's FIL is Hispanic with a Hispanic last name.  That's the kind of institutionalized racism I'm talking about.  The kind that doesn't get addressed.
 
2017-09-14 11:30:02 AM  

Likwit: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.


South America's history of racism and racist culture makes ours look like amateur hour.

Worldwalker: SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.

I moved from New Hampshire to South Carolina.

There is significantly more racism in New Hampshire. It may (sometimes) be less overt, but there's nonetheless more of it. New Hampshire is a lily-white state, even more so in the rural areas. In South Carolina, people of different races interact on a daily basis. Certainly there are exceptions, but the sheer difficulty of dealing only with people of your own race, while others around you obviously have no such problems, makes it clear to such a person that they are the exception.

Anyone who flies the Southern Cross (note: the Stars and Bars is a different flag -- see: Georgia state flag) in a Union state should be forcibly relocated to the south. :p


That's a trend i've noticed throughout the western world, sort of like gay homophobes - areas of an overwhelming homogeneous ethnicity claiming to not be racist but then turning out to be racist as soon as minorities show up.
 
2017-09-14 11:34:27 AM  
Racism is as Human as opposable thumbs.
 
2017-09-14 11:36:00 AM  
Racism versus baseball. It is a moot point which sport is the more tedious and never-ending to watch or play.

Have you ever tried to watch a cricket game, though?

The British have a lock on taking their pleasures sadly. And dull. And American racism is largely the work of the British, the Irish and Germans. With a bit of input from the Spanish and others.

I always say that there is a level of stupidity so thick that it becomes indistinguishable from evil. To quote Sandy the Squirrel, "You are nothing but pure evil. Just like the newspape comics!"
 
2017-09-14 11:38:07 AM  
In Rugby and Football you get to run with the ball. This represents the fake news and fake issues that partisans are always fighting over and the points gained, as measured by yardage and hitting the opposite goal with your ball of bullshiat.
 
2017-09-14 11:43:36 AM  
It's as global as soccer - and a lot of countries are much better at it (worse) than the US.


/doesn't excuse our domestic nazis though
//fark those guys
 
2017-09-14 11:46:16 AM  

This text is now purple: NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.


Just a minor quibble: serfs were not slaves. Both were not free, but there were certain significant differences.(more so in some societies than others, of course) In particular, serfs belonged to the land, not directly to the landowner. So you own a farm and that farm has a family of serfs working it, but the actual thing you own is the farm; the serfs are more of an asset, like a pond or a forest, instead of a separate thing, like a plow or a pig. I'm most familiar with the society of Middle-Ages England, so this may be less applicable to other countries (Russia in particular comes to mind) but one of the major differences between free and unfree peasants was that the latter were subject to more fees and taxes, owed more labor, etc., to the local lord. For some things (from marrying to moving) they required the lord's permission. But, in actual practice, only the difference in obligations really mattered. Slaves, on the other hand, were direct property of their owners. They could be bought and sold, taken to other places, and so on. They had fewer legal protections, and less of a secure place in society, than serfs.

So there's a lot of complexity and nuance there, but owning land with serfs on it is not quite the same thing as owning slaves. The serfs were part of the land, not separate chattels.
 
2017-09-14 11:55:16 AM  

Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.


You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.
 
2017-09-14 11:56:02 AM  

machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.


Cortes was pretty strict about it.

Firesign Theatre had a great radio documentary.

...

"
INDIAN 1: The true white brother's coming home.  Remember what the Great Spirit said? If we did what we were supposed to do and lived according to the plan?  White brother would finish his work in the East and come back to us.
INDIAN 2: It'll be nice to have the family together again.
CONQUISTADOR 1: Buenos Dios, amigos!
INDIAN 1: Hello!  You must be the true white brother.
CONQUISTADOR 1: Sure!  You must be the Indians!
INDIAN 1: Yes.
INDIAN 2: Welcome home!
CONQUISTADOR 1: Welcome to New Spain!  This is your new father, Father Corona.
FATHER CORONA [with thick Irish brogue]:  [Mutters in Latin.] Down on your knees now!  Do you recognize what I'm holding over your heads, lads?
INDIAN 1: It's a cross: the symbol of the quartering of the universe into active and passive principles.
FATHER CORONA: God have mercy on their heathen souls.
CONQUISTADOR 1: What the Father means . . . is what is the cross made of?  Gold!  Have you got any?
INDIAN 1: No.
CONQUISTADOR 1: What about the seven cities of gold?  Phoenix, Tucson, Las Vegas?
INDIAN 2: Uh, this is gold.
CONQUISTADOR 1: What's that?
INDIAN 1: Corn.
CONQUISTADOR 2: Hey, corn!  Now we can make tortillas!
CONQUISTADOR 3: We've been waiting for this for hundreds of years."
 
2017-09-14 12:02:50 PM  

JAGChem82: That may be true, but Cobb early on was very much racist.


Got a cite?

He came from a long-line of abolitionists, and his favorite player after retirement was Willie Mays.
 
2017-09-14 12:04:06 PM  

Geotpf: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Australia also farked over their indigenous population extremely thoroughly.


They weren't even officially *people* until the 1960s. They were counted, when counted at all, as wildlife.
 
2017-09-14 12:07:08 PM  
I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.
 
2017-09-14 12:07:41 PM  

Unikitty: PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America

Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.


Hey, thanks! I want to buy you dinner and pet your unicorn horn ;)

I like Fark. I used to lurk a long-ass time ago, but most people here are good for conversation, and sometimes I actually learn something!
 
2017-09-14 12:08:24 PM  

Worldwalker: This text is now purple: NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.

Just a minor quibble: serfs were not slaves. Both were not free, but there were certain significant differences.(more so in some societies than others, of course) In particular, serfs belonged to the land, not directly to the landowner. So you own a farm and that farm has a family of serfs working it, but the actual thing you own is the farm; the serfs are more of an asset, like a pond or a forest, instead of a separate thing, like a plow or a pig. I'm most familiar with the society of Middle-Ages England, so this may be less applicable to other countries (Russia in particular comes to mind) but one of the major differences between free and unfree peasants was that the latter were subject to more fees and taxes, owed more labor, etc., to the local lord. For some things (from marrying to moving) they required the lord's permission. But, in actual practice, only the difference in obligations really mattered. Slaves, on the other hand, were direct property of their owners. They could be bought and sold, taken to other places, and so on. They had fewer legal protections, and less of a secure place in society, than serfs.

So there's a lot of complexity and nuance there, but owning land with serfs on it is not quite the same thing as owning slaves. The serfs were part of the land, not separate chattels.


So we agree serfs were kept as property. That was the original question. Not whether they were considered chattel versus real estate.
 
2017-09-14 12:09:43 PM  
Show me a country without racism and I'll show you a country with no minorities.
 
2017-09-14 12:10:16 PM  

skinink: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.


Yes it's a fine veneer for hiding the actual problems. See my previous post for what I mean.
 
2017-09-14 12:17:15 PM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Um, all of the Americas, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa would like a word with you.
 
2017-09-14 12:19:11 PM  

Frank N Stein: Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

I was being sarcastic. I'm fully aware of displacement that's happened in Europe (and in Italy specifically, since I studied it in college as my minor)


Comment withdrawn.
 
2017-09-14 12:28:09 PM  

PhilCollinsBeatBox: Unikitty: PhilCollinsBeatBox: Yeah it's not like racism is farking everywhere on this goddamn planet - but sure, let's blame America

Forchrissake thank you!! (Love the username, too)

Sometimes I just want to shake people. The whole freakin planet needs a raw, unsanitized history lesson. Which evidently should start at the point we were still cavemen grunting and pointing at crap.

So many uneducated parrots in this thread.

Hey, thanks! I want to buy you dinner and pet your unicorn horn ;)

I like Fark. I used to lurk a long-ass time ago, but most people here are good for conversation, and sometimes I actually learn something!


Hey, most welcome. I've been enjoying interacting here myself, I also lurked for many years and just jumped in recently. :) I enjoy learning from the threads and the lively discussions.

I think I'll highlight you in yellow. :)
 
2017-09-14 12:30:52 PM  

Callous: skinink: Callous: ox45tallboy: Human beings are tribal by nature

This

How specific that tribalism gets is generally dependent on the level of perceived threat.  Should aliens invade earth, racism would disappear real quick.

But even sports rivalries are an example of tribalism.  Take Boston for instance.  Very racist city but in love with David Ortiz, Pedro Martinez, etc.  And if a fight breaks out between a black guy wearing a Red Sox hat and a white guy wearing a Yankees hat the Yankees fan is gonna get dog piled on.

The banner is very true especially in Boston, but it's a truth that Boston really likes to pretend isn't true.  Hence the proposal to rename Yawkey way.  We're more concerned about how the rest of the world perceives us than the actual problem.

You know, just as a counterpoint to people saying Boston is very racist like crosses are burned on every corner and all minorities are chased down the street by Townies trying to spear them with American flags: yes, Boston has racial issues but there are great people here and we do get along. Did you not see the pictures of the counter protesters for that "Free Speech Rally"? I've had incidents involving my race but otherwise I'm just here on Boston and it's okay. For any minorities who might be put off from vacationing in Boston, I'd say you would enjoy yourselves here. There's much to see and do in the Boston/Cambridge/Somerville area.

Yes it's a fine veneer for hiding the actual problems. See my previous post for what I mean.


You're missing the point.  There's institutionalized racism everywhere.  Specifically calling out Boston as "very racist" implies that it is much worse than other places.  It isn't.  Doesn't mean there are no problems, but propping up every racial incident as proof that Boston is sooooo racist only feeds into the "See, You guys are the Real Racists!" narrative that the right is always trying to push.  They do the same thing with incidents of Islamic terrorism as proof that Islam is inherently violent and crimes committed by immigrants as proof that immigrants are inherently dangerous.

As I said in my man-boobies (sic), we should not be wringing our hands and heading for our feinting couches just because there are incidences of racism and actual racists in and around a blue state like Mass.  Expecting there to be none at all is hopelessly naive but otoh their mere existence is proof of nothing.  Racists are everywhere and yes we should root them out wherever they are.  The most important thing, however, is whether or not we elect racists to positions of power and let them set policy.  That's when institutionalization only gets worse.
 
2017-09-14 12:31:03 PM  

AdamK: Likwit: machoprogrammer: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

It's not even the only country in North America that has done that. Canada did it, too. Look up their schooling system for the indigenous folks, it's horrible.

Japan. Lots of places in Europe too. It's just the people doing the stealing we're a different culture, not color, so for some reason that doesn't count.

South America's history of racism and racist culture makes ours look like amateur hour.

Worldwalker: SteveGrogansGoat: Some background - an 8 year old black kid was nearly lynched by some teenagers in New Hampshire recently. They hanged him, and he damn near died. New Hampshire. And at the memorial/protest, pickup trucks flying the confederate stars and bars showed up to roll coal. In New Hampshire. The Red Sox are New England's team, and that means New Hampshire. In light of that, I don't have an issue with the protest banner.

I moved from New Hampshire to South Carolina.

There is significantly more racism in New Hampshire. It may (sometimes) be less overt, but there's nonetheless more of it. New Hampshire is a lily-white state, even more so in the rural areas. In South Carolina, people of different races interact on a daily basis. Certainly there are exceptions, but the sheer difficulty of dealing only with people of your own race, while others around you obviously have no such problems, makes it clear to such a person that they are the exception.

Anyone who flies the Southern Cross (note: the Stars and Bars is a different flag -- see: Georgia state flag) in a Union state should be forcibly relocated to the south. :p

That's a trend i've noticed throughout the western world, sort of like gay homophobes - areas of an overwhelming homogeneous ethnicity claiming to not be racist but then turning out to be racist as soon as minor ...


It's the "grass is greener on the other side" theory, or familiarity breeds contempt. We're used to seeing braying rednecks with Confederate flags here all the time, and since you don't see them in other countries, you figure that they have less issues with racism.

Or in the case of the UK, I'd half jokingly think t's the accent - a proper British accent can make even the dumbest ideas and people sound smart.
 
2017-09-14 12:42:08 PM  

Frank N Stein: No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Have you ever seen old temples in Thailand?  The temples with the idols that look nothing like modern Thai people?  The people who built those temples were wiped out centuries ago.     The whole damn planet is a history of migrations genocides and invasions and displacements.   Why did China need a Great Wall?   The Monguls were invading!   We *try* to be  better than that--which is really cool.   But if the world doesn't match our good intentions we'll end up like the Phoenicians
 
2017-09-14 12:58:04 PM  

Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?

That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.


How else do you explain the fact the settlers felt justified to carry out the wholesale takeover of land that already had other people living on it, other than the idea that those other people were not important?
 
2017-09-14 01:07:10 PM  

Rhypskallion: But if the world doesn't match our good intentions we'll end up like the Phoenicians


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2017-09-14 01:10:05 PM  
What is this with all these needledick liberals trying to push their agendas at sporting events? They came to watch the game, not to be assaulted by your make believe whiny horsesh*t.

Nice to see that they hustled those assholes on out of there pronto.
 
2017-09-14 01:11:31 PM  
If everyone was the same color, people would just find something else.
 
2017-09-14 01:19:39 PM  

Pop and Miracle Whip: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/KicXFuwYhbc?start=376 - 480x270]

/An interesting take on racism.


that was fascinating, thanks for posting
 
2017-09-14 01:40:37 PM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-amer​i​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.
 
2017-09-14 01:53:18 PM  

Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Unikitty: Mayhem_2006: Well, its kinda true.

The entire country was founded on the principal of "only white people are important, so lets just take this land from these native folk".

Then it was built up from that foundation with the principal "only white people are important, so lets enslave these people to work in our fields and exploit these other people to build our railways."

The only mitigating factor is to remember is that the rest of the world was just as bad.  However, the rest of the world civilised world seems to have moved on rather more than the less educated parts of the US.

Or, you're a complete moron. There's that.

Which part do you consider untrue?

That the entire country was founded on white people being more important than anyone else. That might have been the end result but it was not the initial catalyst for our country.

How else do you explain the fact the settlers felt justified to carry out the wholesale takeover of land that already had other people living on it, other than the idea that those other people were not important?


Why are you so hellbent on making it a "only whites did this" thing?

Because throughout history humans have been playing a never-ending game of Riskwith racism as its main currency.
 
2017-09-14 01:56:14 PM  

stuffy: If everyone was the same color, people would just find something else.


Even with color diversity we still find other things. Money, education, fashion-sense, sense of humor/movies/music/food. Perhaps it isn't outright discrimination but no one is free of judgment for others not liking what they don't like.
 
2017-09-14 02:33:50 PM  

This text is now purple: Khellendros: You might want to read the history of Europe sometime.  Displacement, invasion, extermination, and/or subjugation of the existing population is kinda a common thing there over the last few thousand years.  But we're perhaps the most striking modern example of it in the last three centuries.  So I get your point.

Really?

Danzig/Gdansk has been ethnically cleansed four or five times since the American civil war.

This happened as late as 1947.


Notice I said "striking modern example".  Compared to the sizeable ethnic cleansings used to create new provinces and governments in central Africa and Eastern Europe, Danzig little more than a sizeable footnote of WWII's atrocities.  Type Danzig into a Google search bar.  You'll have to go down a hundred links or more to find something that even mentions the city instead of the band.

Then getting back to the comparative analysis, compared to the wiping of the entirety of dozens of native cultures that occurred in North and Central America over the previous few centuries, the history of the Free City of Danzig isn't in the same ballpark.  And what occurred in the few hundred years previous in Europe was far greater in size.  So I'm not sure why you even brought it up.
 
2017-09-14 04:09:19 PM  
Wow, this shiats starting to get really old, really fast.
 
2017-09-14 04:31:06 PM  

fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...


They group is supposedly curing any signs of racism (in baseball) by attention-whoring with racist statements. They wanted to "start a conversation about racism".. now why is that?
 
2017-09-14 04:40:45 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.


It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.
 
2017-09-14 05:04:45 PM  

This text is now purple: Worldwalker: This text is now purple: NotTooLittleRichard: Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

Japan was a feudal society into the late 1800s. You could argue it still was until 1945.

Pretty much any statuary of nobles would be of a person who kept people as property. That's what serfs were.

Just a minor quibble: serfs were not slaves. Both were not free, but there were certain significant differences.(more so in some societies than others, of course) In particular, serfs belonged to the land, not directly to the landowner. So you own a farm and that farm has a family of serfs working it, but the actual thing you own is the farm; the serfs are more of an asset, like a pond or a forest, instead of a separate thing, like a plow or a pig. I'm most familiar with the society of Middle-Ages England, so this may be less applicable to other countries (Russia in particular comes to mind) but one of the major differences between free and unfree peasants was that the latter were subject to more fees and taxes, owed more labor, etc., to the local lord. For some things (from marrying to moving) they required the lord's permission. But, in actual practice, only the difference in obligations really mattered. Slaves, on the other hand, were direct property of their owners. They could be bought and sold, taken to other places, and so on. They had fewer legal protections, and less of a secure place in society, than serfs.

So there's a lot of complexity and nuance there, but owning land with serfs on it is not quite the same thing as owning slaves. The serfs were part of the land, not separate chattels.

So we agree serfs were kept as property. That was the original question. Not whether they were considered chattel versus real estate.


I wasn't disagreeing. Just being pedantic about the specific type of property.

That to some extent influenced the attitudes toward it. Serfs generally had it somewhat better than slaves because they were, yes, essentially real estate, and in most cases they had some degree of legal or traditional protection. Slaves were the owner's to do whatever he wanted with, Neither one was free, but slaves had it worse than serfs.
 
2017-09-14 05:35:19 PM  
Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."
 
2017-09-14 05:36:19 PM  
After hearing a quote from these idiots on the news, I feel like saying....
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Simpsons did it.
 
2017-09-14 05:37:50 PM  

Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.


Wow. Are you truly that ignorant of world history? This has occurred in every corner of the globe since the beginning of time.
 
2017-09-14 05:40:18 PM  

adj_m: Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually

Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.


Someone calling someone a racist on Fark?!! Oh my word, such a strong accusation. Surely you can provide a reason for calling me such a thing?
 
2017-09-14 05:44:58 PM  
 
2017-09-14 05:54:50 PM  

sn0wblind: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Google is your friend. Japanese racism is well known. Seek and you will find. Plus, they like baseball too.

 Yeah, Japan has racism.  And it sucks. But it's "harder than I'd like to rent an apartment" sucks.  Not "the police are going to pull me over, murder me, and get off without incident" sucks.

11 years and I've never been the victim of any violent or intimidating racism here.  And neither have any others I know.

You sound white.
Japan is not fun when black or brown.


Thailand is the most xenophobic country there is. Mobs of Thais regularly gang up and beat and rob foreigners.
 
2017-09-14 06:10:55 PM  

doubled99: Frank N Stein: jso2897: It was built on land stolen

No that I think of it, the United States is the only country in the world that has displaced the population of peoples previously living on the land.

Wow. Are you truly that ignorant of world history? This has occurred in every corner of the globe since the beginning of time.


lol. I was being sarcastic. I didn't make that obvious enough though.
 
2017-09-14 06:28:44 PM  

Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...

You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-ameri​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.


Update

Fake Boston Antifa group, which claimed credit for anti-racism banner at Red Sox game, is actually run by right wing trolls
 
2017-09-14 06:42:49 PM  

LordJiro: 8 inches: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

Um, I'd imagine the Nazis might disagree.

The Nazis who took inspiration from American's treatment of black people and Native Americans? Those Nazis?


Congratulations you found a way to blame America.
 
2017-09-14 07:37:17 PM  
Everything bad in America originated in Massachusetts.
 
2017-09-14 07:42:26 PM  

fusillade762: Donald Trump's Latest Tweet: fusillade762: I can't tell if that banner was pro or anti racism...

You weren't alone, but you finally have your answer: it's anti-racism.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/planner-behind-fenway-racism-ameri​can-banner-explains-anti-racist-statement

The Boston Red Sox was the last team in major league baseball to have a black player on its roster, thanks to the previous owner of the team.

Update

Fake Boston Antifa group, which claimed credit for anti-racism banner at Red Sox game, is actually run by right wing trolls


Just so there's no confusion here, the anti-racism group that actually put up the banner is not the right-wing trolls that falsely claims to be Boston Antifa. That was covered in the article I posted.
 
2017-09-14 07:48:24 PM  

doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."


You sound like a white person who thinks they've experienced racism because someone hurt their feelings with a word.
 
2017-09-14 09:17:09 PM  

doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."


Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.
 
2017-09-14 09:24:53 PM  

Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: adj_m: Ooba Tooba: NotTooLittleRichard: parkthebus: Which is funny as racism is something the whole world shares, with America being one of the least offenders. If the sign said "Racism is as Japanese as baseball" it would have been more accurate.

Wanna try to explain that?  Does Japan have a bunch of statues of people who fought and died to keep others as property?

America didn't invent racism, but you damn well perfected it.

So. These are some words.

The US was the first in recent history to assert that skin colour made you less of a human, closer to cattle. Other cultures practiced slavery for a variety of reasons, but they never tried to justify it that way; you became a slave mostly through conquest or debt, but you were still a human being.

Not saying that other cultures versions of slavery were good, but the US certainly had one of the most farked up versions.

You forgot to add "hundreds of years ago".
/you'll get over it
//eventually

Yes that is when slavery happened, what's your point?

If by 'get over it' you mean I'll eventually be cool with racists like you seem to be, I doubt it.

Someone calling someone a racist on Fark?!! Oh my word, such a strong accusation. Surely you can provide a reason for calling me such a thing?


Reading comprehension much? But uh, if you're looking for a reason why people are constantly calling you out as a racist on fark, maybe it has something to do with the things you say?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2017-09-14 09:59:58 PM  

Khellendros: doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."

Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.


Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.
 
2017-09-15 07:31:13 AM  

AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.


There are black hockey players? *snert*
 
2017-09-15 08:15:51 AM  

Unikitty: AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.

There are black hockey players? *snert*


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2017-09-15 09:11:10 AM  

Frank N Stein: Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.


I never said it didn't. I was arguing against the minimization of racism in the U.S. based on the "it's worse elsewhere, so shut up" argument.
 
2017-09-15 09:12:28 AM  

Khellendros: doubled99: Racism in other countries often includes killing the hated race.
Most of the time in America racism is "I don't like what I believe you think about me."

Psst, your privileged whiteness is showing.

The entirety of American history demonstrates how wrong you are.  Slavery, Jim Crow, the KKK, modern immigration policy, the reaction of a large portion of the American populace to the sight of a turban, the massive proportion of the Right not considering people from Puerto Rico to be American, and a dozen other things.

Racism in America has kept a financial, educational, and achievement gap between whites and most other races consistently high since the laws were technically leveled in the 1960's.  For nearly 200 years of American history, enslaving, lynching, and outright oppression weren't just occurrences, they were common.  Since then, we've just preferred to rely on the embedded two century system to keep that gap as strong as possible.  But as soon as that gap is threatened, you have people coming out of the woodwork to claim that straight white men are disadvantaged.

That's racism.


"Privilege" is nothing more than a word you use to dismiss opinions you don't like.
 
2017-09-15 09:22:14 AM  

Khellendros: Frank N Stein: Yeah it's not like genocide happens in any other country.

I never said it didn't. I was arguing against the minimization of racism in the U.S. based on the "it's worse elsewhere, so shut up" argument.


I don't think anyone is saying that. It's all just a matter of perspective.
 
2017-09-15 10:21:34 AM  

AdamK: Unikitty: AdamK: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I hate to be "that guy," but racism in sports in the United States isn't that bad, comparatively speaking.  Go to Europe for soccer games.  Black players have bananas thrown at them on the field.  Entire teams have walked off fields because of the racism coming from the fans.  Numerous players have celebrated goals with overt Nazi salutes and other Nazi rhetoric.  Teams have been forced to play in empty stadiums with only the press and league officials present as punishment for continuous racism in the stands.  In the grand scheme of things, our problems are small when viewed globally.

It's still present, just more subtle, I mean look at how much shiat black players get in hockey - not just from fans but other players.

There are black hockey players? *snert*

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Well, that is the most awesome thing I've seen all day.

/Blackhawks fan
 
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