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2017-09-14 02:07:33 AM  
"the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".
 
2017-09-14 03:17:06 AM  
it would deprive North Korea of 30 percent of its annual fuel imports

They really should have been working on nuclear reactors.
 
2017-09-14 04:37:01 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


You mean all those tortured and nearly starved to death prisoners? Let me laugh at your idea harder.
 
2017-09-14 04:43:10 AM  
Just one rock in the Rock Soup now
 
2017-09-14 04:52:07 AM  

Kevin72: We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


because a bunch of starved, scared, untrained and defenseless people are really gonna kick it up a notch.

ugh.

you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.
 
2017-09-14 04:52:46 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


Yes and don't you wish you hadn't?
 
2017-09-14 04:53:47 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


  Hey Kevin, here's some wire cutters and a stick of C4, off you go then.
 
2017-09-14 04:55:55 AM  
Nkorea isn't going to back down.  I mean, why should they?  Trump isn't going to do anything to them.  China has their backs, and they get to laugh at the US while the world watches us blunder every response and get played by an insignificant cult leader who doesn't care if his people live or die.

i'm a bit more interested in whatever it is Putin's been up to while the world is distracted by this korea stuff.
 
2017-09-14 04:56:24 AM  
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Well, that's it. I surrender. I just can't cope with a missile hitting my shed and knocking over my rakes and toppling my jug of weed killer.
 
2017-09-14 04:57:20 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Just one rock in the Rock Soup now


Surely there's still bark to be had??
 
2017-09-14 05:01:41 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


And we pointed and laughed at the brazen stupidity of your idea.
 
2017-09-14 05:06:05 AM  
Should we bomb them?
 
2017-09-14 05:12:19 AM  
I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.
 
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2017-09-14 05:15:38 AM  

Weaver95: Kevin72: We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".

because a bunch of starved, scared, untrained and defenseless people are really gonna kick it up a notch.

ugh.

you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.


Seems like a wonderful idea for Hollywood to get a hold of.
 
2017-09-14 05:16:16 AM  

jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.


Where do they plug them into? How would the internet work with zero connection? Hmm, didn't think that through
 
2017-09-14 06:31:39 AM  
Threatening to sink Japan into the ocean, the only country to have actually been nuked. Classy.
 
2017-09-14 06:38:09 AM  

Weaver95: you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.


And offer a full pardon to any crew that sails the Pueblo into a US controlled port.
 
2017-09-14 06:45:22 AM  

Weaver95: Kevin72: We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".

because a bunch of starved, scared, untrained and defenseless people are really gonna kick it up a notch.

ugh.

you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.


That's stupid.  How are all those foreign unpersons supposed to survive on the ground when the Norks start dumping nerve gas on their heads?
 
2017-09-14 06:46:01 AM  

jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.


Nope. Actually, there's quite a lot of western media making it into the DPRK right now. Especially in the north along the border with China. It's all contraband and the penalties for possessing or accessing it are severe, but there's more than enough porn, western media, and looks at how the other side lives for about half the country to know they're living in a feudalistic state.

Overthrow simply isn't feasible for the citizenry there. It'd take a high-level military figure with the absolute and complete loyalty of his men to execute an overthrow. There are simply too many soldiers who know their next meal and their families' next meals are only coming from the regime and due to their service and loyalty to the party.

What needs to happen, but we're too squeamish to do it, is to blanket the major cities with leaflets dropped from B2s explaining that if we wanted everyone there dead, they'd be dead, so they need to knock that shiat off before we decide they need to be dead.

This does two things. It completely de-legitimizes the military in the eyes of the citizens (and the run-of-the-mill grunts) as the protectors of the nation. It also shows Kim to be full of shiat in regards to how his military would fare in a war with the US, ROK, and their allies.

They can biatch about violating airspace all they want when it's over, but I doubt they'll rattle the saber too much while doing so.
 
2017-09-14 07:01:25 AM  

tallen702: jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.

Nope. Actually, there's quite a lot of western media making it into the DPRK right now. Especially in the north along the border with China. It's all contraband and the penalties for possessing or accessing it are severe, but there's more than enough porn, western media, and looks at how the other side lives for about half the country to know they're living in a feudalistic state.

Overthrow simply isn't feasible for the citizenry there. It'd take a high-level military figure with the absolute and complete loyalty of his men to execute an overthrow. There are simply too many soldiers who know their next meal and their families' next meals are only coming from the regime and due to their service and loyalty to the party.

What needs to happen, but we're too squeamish to do it, is to blanket the major cities with leaflets dropped from B2s explaining that if we wanted everyone there dead, they'd be dead, so they need to knock that shiat off before we decide they need to be dead.

This does two things. It completely de-legitimizes the military in the eyes of the citizens (and the run-of-the-mill grunts) as the protectors of the nation. It also shows Kim to be full of shiat in regards to how his military would fare in a war with the US, ROK, and their allies.

They can biatch about violating airspace all they want when it's over, but I doubt they'll rattle the saber too much while doing so.


I doubt it's going to change the reality on the ground.
This government doesn't depend on the people's popular support. It depends on a small circle of generals around Un being happy with their bribes. If I had an inside line, they'd be the ones I'd want to influence and corrupt.

A military demonstration would make it clear that further aggression from the north will only end in their own deaths and the murder of their families. That's the stick.
Now we need some semblance of a carrot. We need to tempt the second or third tier supporters. Like offering amnesty and cash rewards for defection. Bring us a jet, live like a king. Hand over Un to the UN, dismantle the nukes, and we will pay you far more than he ever could.
The decadent luxuries of the 1% lifestyle are far better than holding power over a few starving serfs.

Of course They might not take the deal, but the fact it exists would sew quite a bit of distrust between Kim and his essential backers. He won't sleep well knowing that his detached head is worth more to his generals than anything he can give them as compensation.
...And that can lead to the unraveling of this mess.
 
2017-09-14 07:08:30 AM  

tallen702: jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.

Nope. Actually, there's quite a lot of western media making it into the DPRK right now. Especially in the north along the border with China. It's all contraband and the penalties for possessing or accessing it are severe, but there's more than enough porn, western media, and looks at how the other side lives for about half the country to know they're living in a feudalistic state.

Overthrow simply isn't feasible for the citizenry there. It'd take a high-level military figure with the absolute and complete loyalty of his men to execute an overthrow. There are simply too many soldiers who know their next meal and their families' next meals are only coming from the regime and due to their service and loyalty to the party.

What needs to happen, but we're too squeamish to do it, is to blanket the major cities with leaflets dropped from B2s explaining that if we wanted everyone there dead, they'd be dead, so they need to knock that shiat off before we decide they need to be dead.

This does two things. It completely de-legitimizes the military in the eyes of the citizens (and the run-of-the-mill grunts) as the protectors of the nation. It also shows Kim to be full of shiat in regards to how his military would fare in a war with the US, ROK, and their allies.

They can biatch about violating airspace all they want when it's over, but I doubt they'll rattle the saber too much while doing so.


The only way you'll get the Kim's out is if China could lean on some of the more pro Chinese Generals in the military.
Unfortunately Un isn't stupid and has already purged many if not most of them.
Your suggestion is nothing more then kindling for your average North Korean's wood fires.
 
2017-09-14 07:47:38 AM  
$10 billion cash and immunity from prosecution that delivers Kim Jong Un's head. All we need is one good coup.
 
2017-09-14 07:51:03 AM  
So sanctions have been imposed, but not enforced?  Why should Dear Meatball stop what he's doing?  The UN is basically a parent saying, "Don't make me turn this car around".  It's am empty threat if it's not acted upon.
 
2017-09-14 07:55:20 AM  
I don't really oppose sanctions but I think the main benefactors of sanctions are middlemen who makes tons of money helping countries and businesses get around the sanctions.
 
2017-09-14 07:59:03 AM  
Will not sanction their buffoonery.
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2017-09-14 08:02:59 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


So you think the prison guards and police that guard/recapture prisoners are the same resources that work on the nuclear program?
 
2017-09-14 08:06:32 AM  

DarbyCrash: Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".

You mean all those tortured and nearly starved to death prisoners? Let me laugh at your idea harder.



He keeps proposing this idea as if it is brilliant. 

Likely play out:
* Initial bombing kills and injures many prisoners.
* Then prisoner are shot down escaping (while the smart ones stay put)
* Kim Jong's propaganda: Nobody is safe when Americans bomb prisons causing criminals to run loose on the streets!
* Prisoners that actually escape starve or get recaptured (people are unlikely to help them)
*  The fences are rebuilt in days. Recaptured prisoner are now tortured
 
2017-09-14 08:39:08 AM  
Every time the DPRK ramps up the rhetoric, like Kim Jong Il's golf score of 38 under, their neighbors and the world panic over such claims, as if it's the end of times. Boasting after your own paper chase only fans the flames of it's own people, and we know the people of the DPRK love their "Leader Dearest" as all have been able to defeat the US and have declared themselves as the victors. There is no outside info getting in so they believe their leaders are godlike and the rest of the world has gone to hell, yet themselves are the only ones prevailing in the world.

If you're not in the parade you're not getting paid.
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2017-09-14 08:49:09 AM  

way south: This government doesn't depend on the people's popular support.


Well....

it depends on the army's support.

It has happened before that an army realized the penalty for failure and revolution was the same, and that failure was more likely.
 
2017-09-14 08:53:39 AM  
Simple choice, pick your long term consequences:

1) Live with a nuclear armed North Korea; continuing down the sanctions route will lead to this as they clearly don't give a rat's ass. Doing so lets any rogue regime know it can stay in power simply by arming themselves with nukes. Every country on the planet gets nukes, constant threat of entire world being wiped out.

2) Do some nuclear testing of our own on the Korean peninsula and wipe out North Korea (perhaps with neutron bombs). Millions in Best Korea die, other rogue regimes learn that pursuing nuclear weapons only ends in their own annihilation. Rogue regimes seen quietly sweeping their nuclear programs away. China gets a new province in exchange for relinquishing claims to South China Sea.

3) Instead of buying a bunch of jets and tanks we don't need, accelerate THAAD/Star Wars type programs. Make ICBMs useless. Kim suddenly seen complying with sanctions because his nukes are useless. Russia biatches but at least doesn't threaten all out nuclear war until we share the tech with them or they develop it, neutralizing all ICBMs. Large scale wars start breaking out again because Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is no longer a thing.
 
2017-09-14 09:12:57 AM  

dbialac: Simple choice, pick your long term consequences:

1) Live with a nuclear ...

2) Do some nuclear testing of our own on the Korean peninsula and wipe out North Korea (perhaps with neutron bombs). ...


Or perhaps not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
 
2017-09-14 09:44:38 AM  
I fear the only good solution to this is going to come from China, and they haven't budged yet.

Russia was amassing troops on the border some time ago, I wonder what's been going on with that. It could tell us something about Putin's plans for NK.
 
2017-09-14 09:46:20 AM  

Atomic Jonb: dbialac: Simple choice, pick your long term consequences:

1) Live with a nuclear ...

2) Do some nuclear testing of our own on the Korean peninsula and wipe out North Korea (perhaps with neutron bombs). ...

Or perhaps not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb


The idea is to kill off the population while leaving the infrastructure for China or Korea, whoever takes occupancy.
 
2017-09-14 10:44:34 AM  

dbialac: Atomic Jonb: dbialac: Simple choice, pick your long term consequences:

1) Live with a nuclear ...

2) Do some nuclear testing of our own on the Korean peninsula and wipe out North Korea (perhaps with neutron bombs). ...

Or perhaps not; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb

The idea is to kill off the population while leaving the infrastructure for China or Korea, whoever takes occupancy.


You'll probably want the "BC" route of the NBC triangle then.
 
2017-09-14 11:53:14 AM  

Kevin72: "the sanctions would only strengthen the country's resolve to pursue its nuclear weapons program "at a faster pace without the slightest diversion."


I said this in the last NK thread. We, or a "patsy" should bomb the electric fences of some of NK's concentration camps. Then see if they have the "slightest diversion".


North Korea is one of few places on Earth where the inmates would just repair the fences you wrecked. Why escape when the regime has made you a complete non-person, and still holds 3 generations of your family?
 
2017-09-14 12:31:15 PM  

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Well, that's it. I surrender. I just can't cope with a missile hitting my shed and knocking over my rakes and toppling my jug of weed killer.


Nevar Forget!
 
2017-09-14 01:13:00 PM  

dantheman195: jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.

Where do they plug them into? How would the internet work with zero connection? Hmm, didn't think that through


So... do SEALs not know about satellite radio? Do they tell them the navy uses special sky wifi?
 
2017-09-14 01:15:32 PM  

dantheman195: jmr61: I'm quite interested in the idea I heard the other day suggested by a former Navy SEAL:

Drop 25 million iPhones and chargers on the Norks after placing a satellite over the country that gives them all internet and cell service. They'd overthrow that turd in 3 weeks after seeing all the porn.

Where do they plug them into? How would the internet work with zero connection? Hmm, didn't think that through


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2017-09-14 03:05:02 PM  

Weaver95: you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.


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2017-09-14 03:06:42 PM  

devine: Weaver95: you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.

And offer a full pardon to any crew that sails the Pueblo into a US controlled port.


Assuming it hasn't long been stripped of usable parts that make it go.

\would like to get that ship back.
 
2017-09-14 05:40:11 PM  
Olympics coming up

Think it through
 
2017-09-14 07:24:33 PM  

MythDragon: devine: Weaver95: you'd be better served by emptying every last one of our super max prisons, loading up all those convicts with all the food, guns and ammo they can carry and air dropping over Nkorea with instructions that they can keep whatever they catch and/or kill.

And offer a full pardon to any crew that sails the Pueblo into a US controlled port.

Assuming it hasn't long been stripped of usable parts that make it go.

\would like to get that ship back.


I'm sure it has been stripped. Those boys gotta earn that pardon!
 
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