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(Think Progress)   Arizona Motel 6 makes it really easy for guests to get ice   ( thinkprogress.org) divider line
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8518 clicks; posted to Main » on 13 Sep 2017 at 9:59 PM (12 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2017-09-14 07:58:34 AM  

Confabulat: fnordfocus: So US hotels don't generally record ID info beyond verifying that your name matches your credit card and the reservation.

How the fark is ICE going to screen everyone and verify their immigration status based on that?

Or is anyone named José Garcia going to get a late night visit, even if they're just a tourist or a citizen?

Exactly why I call bullshiat on this. I've worked the overnight shift in hotels in Florida for years, and first off, we'd never bother even matching the name with the credit card. If the card worked, you could be Mickey Mouse as far as we cared. I expect that's not unusual business practice, especially since many people check in under other people's card numbers (weddings, get-togethers, etc.) It's not the habit of hotels to track people down, and Motel 6 least of all.

So yeah, people get arrested more at Motel 6 cause Motel 6 is all that many illegal immigrants can afford. Doesn't mean they're turning over names to the Government every night though.


Uhhh, they admitted they do it and corporate has stepped in and said they'll end the practice.

So you're calling bull on something they've admitted to doing and promised they'll stop?
 
2017-09-14 07:59:25 AM  
So the people who go to Motel 6 have to follow the law? Sick.
 
2017-09-14 08:07:44 AM  

killwhitey: winedrinkingman: During the Obama, or even the Bush Administration, when an immigrant had to bend over backwards, and practically join MS19 and be suspected of a couple of murders, to get an ICE warrant, this wouldn't bother me as much.  It would still be creepy, but it would at least be understandable.  Now that we are going after former J1s who overstayed their visas, because they thought they were going to eventually get married to their American boyfriend who was just using them, and guys who have been here most of their life, and can't even remember living in another country, who have jobs and careers and never been in trouble with the law, now that we are going after those people, and seeing them as threats to America (all while Russian attorneys who try to influence our elections are seen as nice guys), it is disgusting on a level that can not be described.  Illegal immigration is a minor paperwork crime, in most cases.  It should be handled with a small fine, if appropriate, with the perpetrator given the chance to fix their status and stay in the country, provided they keep their nose clean, pay taxes, and don't commit acts of espionage against America.  I would rather keep the illegals, and deport most of Trump's supporters.

Interesting points but have to disagree.  Illegal immigration should not be supported for two reasons:
1. Not fair to those who follow the process. Illegal immigration amounts to the worst kind of line jumping and why a large amount of immigrants don't support it.
2. Reduces the US from benefiting from the best immigrants and helping those immigrants in the most need as slots are illegally taken.

I am open to looking into a statue of limitations as i do agree if we don't enforce the laws then it can be cruel and unusual years later after they have had a chance to establish themselves.  However, I think we should also be more diligent tracking immigrants and ensuring illegals don't become established.


I would agree if our current immigration system wasn't a convoluted mess.  Plus if we're only getting "the best" nobody is going to be doing the jobs migrant workers are doing.  Already this year there are farms that their crops just had to rot because nobody was willing to do it.  Think Mr. Or Ms. Masters of engineering are going to be doing that work?
 
2017-09-14 08:07:58 AM  

DarkVader: lack of warmth: FormlessOne: So, I wonder how Motel 6 patrons feel about a class action lawsuit alleging privacy violations...

I wonder if you read the part where it's completely legal for them to share your sign-in info with police.  A little hard to sue over a legal action.  Granted if they're sharing credit card information, that would be a different problem, and I say sue on.

It's legal as in "not criminal" for them to do it.  That doesn't mean they can't be sued for it.

I don't think it's a settled area of privacy law, especially if the contract doesn't include a "we may share your personal details with anyone of our choosing" clause.


You act like this is new.  Police asking for sign-in info isn't new.  Otherwise there wouldn't already be precedent involving the supreme court.  If you read the lower part, the court decided the police can't force the hotel to give over the info, yet it's okay if the hotel provides it.  I'm sure a warrant can force the hotel to turn over the info, but that would mean the police had someone specific they were looking for, possibly to prove they were in the area of a crime.  Being this has been covered in criminal court, it's not so grey, and civil court would have a hard time punishing a legal action.
 
2017-09-14 08:16:44 AM  

BumpInTheNight: r


Man, I thought Alberta was Canada's Texas.

That would have a pretty specific flavor, I would think!
 
2017-09-14 08:52:21 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.


That's it, I'm never staying at a Motel 6 still.
 
2017-09-14 09:38:37 AM  

EvilEgg: BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.

You lose not only the undocumented, you will lose others that care about the issue.


Hell, I'm against illegal immigration but that is a real wtf. Names can be very common and you can get perfectly innocent people late night visits from guys with guns.  We need sane immigration policy's and the ability to kick out and keep out those who misbehave. Not this stupid sh*t.
 
2017-09-14 09:57:49 AM  

fnordfocus: So US hotels don't generally record ID info beyond verifying that your name matches your credit card and the reservation.

How the fark is ICE going to screen everyone and verify their immigration status based on that?

Or is anyone named José Garcia going to get a late night visit, even if they're just a tourist or a citizen?


TFA says the police check for people with warrants. Apparently some of those warrants involve immigration cases, but that means they've already encountered ICE.
 
2017-09-14 10:26:38 AM  

Sid_6.7: BumpInTheNight: EvilEgg: BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.

You lose not only the undocumented, you will lose others that care about the issue.

That is exactly the point I was looking to drive home.  Personally I have a "Not the US" as a travel criteria for a couple years,  this would further let me pinpoint places I'd refuse to patron.

I hope you don't mind me asking:

Where in Canada would you recommend I go for some sort of authentic experience?

I've been to Toronto. It seemed extremely sterile. Too clean. Like a subarctic version of the city from The Matrix (I know Toronto isn't actually in a subarctic zone, but it was March, and I'm from Virginia.).


I love Toronto, used to go every year.  One time we were at a quick-e-mart and saw a car drive up to the dumpster and throw a purse into it.  We checked it out, turned out to be a stolen purse and went inside and asked them to call the police.  The cop's name tag said, "A. Morissette".  I got to meet the Alanis cop (who was cool and tolerant when I asked about her name) and help solve a crime.  I love the vibe in Canada.  I feel much safer there than I do here.  Here, I wouldn't have called the cops.  They probably would have tased us and arrested us for the crime.

/csb
 
2017-09-14 11:03:32 AM  

Prince George: EvilEgg: BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.

You lose not only the undocumented, you will lose others that care about the issue.

Hell, I'm against illegal immigration but that is a real wtf. Names can be very common and you can get perfectly innocent people late night visits from guys with guns.  We need sane immigration policy's and the ability to kick out and keep out those who misbehave. Not this stupid sh*t.


Exactly.

Pedro Martinez from Los Angeles is wanted by ICE. Pedro Martinez from Los Angeles s staying at Motel 6. So they roust Pedro Martinez, and it turns out that he's a totally different Pedro Martinez, because he has the same name as hundreds of other people who live in Los Angeles. This is not only a rather blunt instrument to use, but its effects fall disproportionately on people with Hispanic names. If it's the right guy, sure, go get 'im -- see above regarding line-jumpers -- but a shared name is not a valid way to decide this. Get a ouija board and ask Ted Kennedy about that.
 
2017-09-14 11:48:51 AM  

Munden: I'm Tom Bodett for Motel 6, We'll lead the ICE on to you.


CSB: I saw a live taping of "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" with Tom Bodett on the panel, a few years ago.  Fun and interesting guy.
 
2017-09-14 12:23:12 PM  

shroom: Munden: I'm Tom Bodett for Motel 6, We'll lead the ICE on to you.

CSB: I saw a live taping of "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" with Tom Bodett on the panel, a few years ago.  Fun and interesting guy.


Same here, saw Wait Wait with Tom Bodett in 2015 or 2016 at the Mann Center in Philadelphia
 
2017-09-14 12:30:10 PM  

davidphogan: EvilEgg: BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.


You also lose people who think it's creepy to be giving lists of your customers to law enforcement. Presuming your customers are all criminals should be insulting to all customers.

Plus it definitely makes me wonder who you're catering to if you're making that assumption.


That is actually an old, old practice.  Managers like to be on the good side and get good service if the time comes.  It may be creepy but not illegal (as far as I know).  You may find that many hotels of all corporate parents have that practice.
 
2017-09-14 02:07:02 PM  

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Good Halloween/cosplay idea
 
2017-09-14 02:50:50 PM  

EvilEgg: BumpInTheNight: Sounds like a great way to lose business.  Keep making america great again, you assholes.

You lose not only the undocumented, you will lose others that care about the issue.


I've been saying the same thing about neighborhood watches for decades.
 
2017-09-14 11:46:52 PM  

Snort: You may find that many hotels of all corporate parents have that practice.


I worked with hotels in an IT role for about 7 years, and most of the reputable chains did not have the practice.
 
2017-09-15 08:55:07 AM  

davidphogan: Snort: You may find that many hotels of all corporate parents have that practice.

I worked with hotels in an IT role for about 7 years, and most of the reputable chains did not have the practice.


From my experience, its a local practice of a manager giving reports to the police where the hotel it located.  YMMV
 
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