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2017-09-13 12:50:55 PM  
But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

 
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2017-09-13 01:01:16 PM  

phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns


True, but he'll be here anyway to mansplain it to her shortly.
 
2017-09-13 01:09:09 PM  
This is a good analysis. I've found myself kind of turned off by her book (mostly because it brings back that awful election night feeling of optimism being ground under the heel of doom), but they make some excellent points about why she has every right to write this book and why her own overview is fair.
 
2017-09-13 01:10:20 PM  
I understand being angry at her for losing to this clown, but yeah - I haven't read any excerpts from the book I disagree with, either.

If you're ignoring reality to substitute something that makes you feel better, remember: that's what Trump voters do.
 
2017-09-13 01:13:17 PM  

phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns


Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.
 
2017-09-13 01:18:27 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.


Plus it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that there wasn't a sizable portion of the Democratic base that wanted Hillary to go quietly into the night after 2008.  Eventually it will be time for her to do just that, and that time is at this point as soon as possible unless she stops talking about herself and starts finding a real cause to fight for like Al Gore did.
 
2017-09-13 01:20:28 PM  
Now watch the Hillary haters pile on 538 because their assessment doesn't the haters' narrative.
 
2017-09-13 01:29:21 PM  

phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns


remember people telling McCain and Romney to shut up and go away?  
Kerry? 
Gore?

And are people (especially liberals) so much more outraged by the fact that Hillary is still relevant but not outraged about Bannon?
 
2017-09-13 01:33:31 PM  

gilgigamesh: relitigating


How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.
 
2017-09-13 01:44:46 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.


Someone should tell that to our resident pack of Farkers who think that recognizing a situation for what it is equals "dating a politician."

The same Farkers who say that then go on to drown another politician in as much of their sexual fluids as is humanly possible.
 
2017-09-13 01:47:55 PM  

phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.


I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.
 
2017-09-13 01:54:43 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.


But they need to make sure they are accounting for these other factors too. Otherwise it's like a football team drafting a new quarterback and doing nothing else, and expecting to win the league.
 
2017-09-13 01:56:51 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.


The only thing worse than the latent misogyny in this post is the tacit conclusion that stupid people have way more power than they really should.
 
2017-09-13 01:57:07 PM  

gilgigamesh: I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now


Seems like a mistake.
 
2017-09-13 01:58:24 PM  

Clutch2013: gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.

The only thing worse than the latent misogyny in this post is the tacit conclusion that stupid people have way more power than they really should.


I should amend that.

Tacit, and entirely accurate.
 
2017-09-13 02:00:48 PM  

Clutch2013: The only thing worse than the latent misogyny in this post is the tacit conclusion that stupid people have way more power than they really should.


Oh please. "Latent misogyny".

La di da, someone's gonna get laid in college.
 
2017-09-13 02:01:50 PM  
I listen to the 538 podcast on the reg. They do a fantastic job of analysis. Cool, calm, and collected.

Listening to this week's episode, there was an edge. Nate is royally pissed at how the media covered the campaign (as he should be, considering pollsters in general, and Nate specifically, became a target), Clare basically wanted to shout from the mountaintop that, yes! Hello! Duh! Sexism TOTALLY played a part in not only the narrative, but also the results. And Harry was, well ... Harry.

gilgigamesh: I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"


That goes to Nate's point.
 
2017-09-13 02:04:09 PM  

LaViergeNoire: This is a good analysis. I've found myself kind of turned off by her book (mostly because it brings back that awful election night feeling of optimism being ground under the heel of doom), but they make some excellent points about why she has every right to write this book and why her own overview is fair.


I've been avoiding any books about the election because of that (I might read Katy Tur's, just because it looks crazy).

But I remember that feeling, and my text messages, as confidence turned to nerves, nerves turned to concern, and concern gave way to abject....  well I don't even have the word to describe the feeling when I realized Trump was going to win.
 
2017-09-13 02:09:47 PM  

gilgigamesh: Clutch2013: The only thing worse than the latent misogyny in this post is the tacit conclusion that stupid people have way more power than they really should.

Oh please. "Latent misogyny".

La di da, someone's gonna get laid in college.


Hey, you're the one listening to, and basing your expert analysis off of, Rush f*cking Limbaugh.
 
2017-09-13 02:46:42 PM  
Aaaaand we're green.

Calling it now - ten posts from this one is when the thread goes full shiatshow.
 
2017-09-13 02:48:38 PM  

Clutch2013: Aaaaand we're green.

Calling it now - ten posts from this one is when the thread goes full shiatshow.


Too late, you already called someone misogynist for no reason.
 
2017-09-13 02:51:25 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.


AdmirableSnackbar: gilgigamesh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Perhaps, but this was no ordinary election.  The democrats are in disarray, they need to look forward, and they can ill afford to spend time relitigating Hillary's failure.

Plus it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that there wasn't a sizable portion of the Democratic base that wanted Hillary to go quietly into the night after 2008.  Eventually it will be time for her to do just that, and that time is at this point as soon as possible unless she stops talking about herself and starts finding a real cause to fight for like Al Gore did.

But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

 

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

 
2017-09-13 02:54:29 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

"I can see this is going to be a vibrant discussion."
 
2017-09-13 03:00:54 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns


Yeah, their example that "Al Gore made a movie!" is less than convincing. Gore did go away after the election. If Hillary had written her book 5 or 6 years from now, I wouldn't be complaining.

Also, I don't recall An Inconvenient Truth being 2 hours of Al throwing blame at everyone in sight over his loss to Bush.
 
2017-09-13 03:05:33 PM  
img.fark.net

/especially since it became a trainwreck in record time.
 
2017-09-13 03:06:20 PM  

gilgigamesh: But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.


Right before the presidential election. 

Smrt.
 
2017-09-13 03:08:11 PM  
Good news folks, you don't have to purchase or read it. And as a bonus in about a week we'll all have moved onto something else.
 
2017-09-13 03:12:33 PM  
In just before full shiatshow!
 
2017-09-13 03:16:06 PM  
This thread will be well thought-out and reasoned.

Yes, especially your post.
 
2017-09-13 03:16:20 PM  

gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.


Have you asked why Bernie didn't go quietly into the night after his primary loss? No? Why not?
 
2017-09-13 03:16:48 PM  
Well, at least 538 correctly predicted the election results.
 
2017-09-13 03:18:01 PM  

blastoh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

remember people telling McCain and Romney to shut up and go away?  
Kerry? 
Gore?

And are people (especially liberals) so much more outraged by the fact that Hillary is still relevant but not outraged about Bannon?


Also, isn't it important to discuss both the candidate's issues (weaknesses) AND, you know, IF SOMEBODY STOLE THE F*CKING ELECTION?!  (and I don't mean that in a hyperbolic way.  I mean literally, voter suppression, collusion with Russia, etc).
 
2017-09-13 03:18:51 PM  

Archidude: gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.

Have you asked why Bernie didn't go quietly into the night after his primary loss? No? Why not?


Because he is a sitting US Senator?
 
2017-09-13 03:19:19 PM  

born_yesterday: In just before full shiatshow!


too late
 
2017-09-13 03:20:00 PM  

Archidude: gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.

Have you asked why Bernie didn't go quietly into the night after his primary loss? No? Why not?


He's still a Senator.  He has causes to promote that aren't Bernie Sanders - like the one he did today with a few Democratic Senators.  In other words, he still has value to the American people and to Democrats.
 
2017-09-13 03:20:20 PM  
Guy who denies he got election wrong: It's not the fault of this woman who got the election wrong for getting the election wrong.


No credibility gap here whatsoever.
 
2017-09-13 03:20:49 PM  

Donald_McRonald: Well, at least 538 correctly predicted the election results.


Prediction != Probability
 
2017-09-13 03:21:09 PM  
"We can't push for x, because we'll never be able to get it through Congress" is not a winning campaign strategy for President.

And it didn't help at all that conservatives have made Hillary Clinton a punching bag for the past 20 years.

And yes, there are some people that wouldn't want a female President, but there were an awful lot of people that didn't ever want a black President either, and...well...

Maybe next time the DNC superdelegates will learn from their mistakes and will not endorse a candidate until the voters endorse one first. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
2017-09-13 03:21:22 PM  

EyeballKid: Guy who denies he got election wrong: It's not the fault of this woman who got the election wrong for getting the election wrong.


No credibility gap here whatsoever.


Oh, look. Another one.
 
2017-09-13 03:21:31 PM  

weddingsinger: blastoh: phaseolus: But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

remember people telling McCain and Romney to shut up and go away?  
Kerry? 
Gore?

And are people (especially liberals) so much more outraged by the fact that Hillary is still relevant but not outraged about Bannon?

Also, isn't it important to discuss both the candidate's issues (weaknesses) AND, you know, IF SOMEBODY STOLE THE F*CKING ELECTION?!  (and I don't mean that in a hyperbolic way.  I mean literally, voter suppression, collusion with Russia, etc).


I like how that argument about Russia being a sideshow has withered and died as the evidence mounts.
 
2017-09-13 03:22:06 PM  
Even if she's right it doesn't matter. Cable news coverage is awful but complaining about it isn't winning us any elections. And these sorts of media call-outs just give said awful news networks fodder for lazy Bernie vs Hillary stories.
 
2017-09-13 03:23:36 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Archidude: gilgigamesh: phaseolus: gilgigamesh: relitigating

How so? I'll give you "recriminating" if you insist, but no one's "relitigating". The orange-painted blob has already assumed the office.

I am listening to Rush Limbaugh right now pointing to Clinton's book tour as evidence that democrats can't let go of Hillary's loss, and that everything they do and say about GOP policy is just sour grapes because she lost the election.

I have seen Bernie Sanders interviewed 2 or 3 times in the last week trying to tout his medicare for all bill. All he gets asked about are Hillary's charges against him in her book. He tries to demur and get back on topic, only to get steered back to "Yeah, but what do you think about Hillary trashing you like that?"

Yes, Hillary has every right to air her grievances and blame whomever she wants. But if she gave a shiat about the future of the party or this country she would keep her mouth shut and go fishing so something until after 2018, and do it then.

Have you asked why Bernie didn't go quietly into the night after his primary loss? No? Why not?

He's still a Senator.  He has causes to promote that aren't Bernie Sanders - like the one he did today with a few Democratic Senators.  In other words, he still has value to the American people and to Democrats.


Did Hillary have value after her 2008 loss? Gilg said she should have gone away then.
 
2017-09-13 03:24:58 PM  

Clutch2013: Aaaaand we're green.

Calling it now - ten posts from this one is when the thread goes full shiatshow.


Oh, come on.  Vegas puts that as even money.

Five posts in is about -$175.
 
2017-09-13 03:25:13 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Clutch2013: Aaaaand we're green.

Calling it now - ten posts from this one is when the thread goes full shiatshow.

Too late, you already called someone misogynist for no reason.


Misogyny, in this case, is when you rely and put your hopes on a lark that you'll assume that 75% of people with two X chromosomes will vote for you simply because your opponent is an honest to God misogynist.
 
2017-09-13 03:25:16 PM  

OMG_ItAteEveryThing: This thread will be well thought-out and reasoned.

Yes, especially your post.


Well, I wasn't going to post, but I guess I should say thank you. I wasn't expecting to be called out for my contribution today. Really made my day.
 
2017-09-13 03:25:27 PM  

gilgigamesh: LowbrowDeluxe: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

Yeah, their example that "Al Gore made a movie!" is less than convincing. Gore did go away after the election. If Hillary had written her book 5 or 6 years from now, I wouldn't be complaining.

Also, I don't recall An Inconvenient Truth being 2 hours of Al throwing blame at everyone in sight over his loss to Bush.
But I'll say again here: People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns.

 

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

People who are out there saying that she should go quietly into the night are sort of being intellectually dishonest about what happens after campaigns

 
2017-09-13 03:28:28 PM  
Look, I get that she's right about how a lot of the media pretty much created this, but let's be honest here. There was no way the greatest evil in the eyes of the GOP Common Clay types out there wasn't going to be railed hard, often and drag out the worst of the Common Clay types to vote against her. They've literally spent over twenty years, almost 25 now, demonizing this woman, drilling their talking points home until no one cares or even knows if they're right anymore. In theater terms, she would long ago have been labeled box office poison and blacklisted the fark out of existence. I truly do believe it was wrong of her to try this, because of the fact that the GOP was preparing for this for YEARS, and they were gonna do whatever it took to keep it from happening.

Does that make it right? Hell no.

But what it did do was keep pretty much anyone else save for the Bernie types from even trying to get their message out. I'd like to say I know who would've made a better choice. Except that the DNC made it abundantly clear that they thought it was *her* time, even though they should've known the attacks would happen and derail everything. It wouldn't have mattered if it was Ted or Jeb or anyone other than the current Twit in Chief, they were going after her.  It was never gonna be about their candidate's merits, it was gonna be about HER. Plenty of people, myself included, recognized this for the past 8 years and still it happened. Their best shot would have been sending another unknown out there that the GOP weren't prepared for. But they didn't. Again, I don't know who it would even be, because whoever it was was heartily discouraged by her mere presence in the campaign.

And all of that is before we even get to the whole idea of why the Religious Right won't ever be okay with change or anything other than their way.
 
2017-09-13 03:28:58 PM  

EyeballKid: Guy who denies he got election wrong: It's not the fault of this woman who got the election wrong for getting the election wrong.


No credibility gap here whatsoever.


http://www.fark.com/comments/9345330/FiveThirtyEight-tries-to-explain​-​why-they-give-Trump-better-odds-at-winning-than-anyone-else-Mostly-Nat​e-Silver-still-feels-shame-for-not-predicting-Trump-would-win-primary-​in-first-place

i.makeagif.com
 
2017-09-13 03:29:10 PM  

JAGChem82: AdmirableSnackbar: Clutch2013: Aaaaand we're green.

Calling it now - ten posts from this one is when the thread goes full shiatshow.

Too late, you already called someone misogynist for no reason.

Misogyny, in this case, is when you rely and put your hopes on a lark that you'll assume that 75% of people with two X chromosomes will vote for you simply because your opponent is an honest to God misogynist.


For the record, I said "latent misogyny", not "Gilgamesh, you are a misogynist."

But hey, dumb shiat like that is just the tip of why Snackbar's posts don't show up for me anymore.
 
2017-09-13 03:30:10 PM  
From the "It's not Aliens" desk: Does anyone else think that it is possible that HRC COULD have taken a dive?
 
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