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(Fast Company)   Analysts predict that there will be 40 million cord cutters by 2021, making them tied with the 40 million who never had cable service in the first place   ( fastcompany.com) divider line
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2017-09-13 02:54:19 PM  
What is dead may never die.
 
2017-09-13 04:04:08 PM  
I got rid of cable TV a little over 7 years ago. Haven't missed it. With Hulu, Britbox, 22 over the air channels, and podcasts, I have more than I have time to watch. Got tired of paying for 150 channels of what was mostly stupid "reality" TV shows.
 
2017-09-13 04:08:44 PM  

albert71292: I got rid of cable TV a little over 7 years ago. Haven't missed it. With Hulu, Britbox, 22 over the air channels, and podcasts, I have more than I have time to watch. Got tired of paying for 150 channels of what was mostly stupid "reality" TV shows.


Agreed. Ads shot my determination to have visual entertainment via cable in the leg. Hulu, Netflix, YouTube, and Prime Video delivered the headshot around the same time.
 
2017-09-13 04:15:34 PM  

mephox: Ads


What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.
 
2017-09-13 05:28:17 PM  

albert71292: I got rid of cable TV a little over 7 years ago. Haven't missed it. With Hulu, Britbox, 22 over the air channels, and podcasts, I have more than I have time to watch. Got tired of paying for 150 channels of what was mostly stupid "reality" TV shows.


Does Britbox run commercials?
 
2017-09-13 05:37:14 PM  

mcreadyblue: Does Britbox run commercials?


Nope.
 
2017-09-13 05:37:14 PM  
I worked for Group W Cable back in the '80s and could have had free service, didn't bother.
 
2017-09-13 05:42:05 PM  
I cut the cord last year. I haven't yet, but I might have withdrawal symptoms missing all the college football games on cable. I have no desire to pay for a streaming service because the point of cable cutting was to eliminate expenses.
 
2017-09-13 05:42:47 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: mephox: Ads

What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.


I cut around the same time and cannot stand to watch "normal" TV any longer, mostly due to commercials.
 
2017-09-13 05:47:03 PM  
Going to cut the cord next month. So tired of paying $100 a month for crap programing I rarely watch.

Still want some live tv occasionally, what are my best options? Thinking about Youtube TV and Chromecast.
 
2017-09-13 05:53:05 PM  
some of us have family members who can't do all the internet voodoo stuff. my elderly parent watches his favorite 24/7/365 news channel or maybe the weather channel and his wrestlin'.  12 hours a day of him watching cnn and not understanding and /or remembering 90% of it even though it is repeated every 30 minutes.
 
2017-09-13 05:56:35 PM  
It's amazing how little support a living wage gets from monopolistic corporations hell bent on separating people from their wages.
 
2017-09-13 05:58:10 PM  
It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso. True, at least you can choose not to purchase a particular service, but I suspect in five years, every studio will have its own exclusive streaming service, and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.
 
2017-09-13 06:03:16 PM  
People are not really cutting the cord, the cord just pipes data
 
2017-09-13 06:03:48 PM  

Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso. True, at least you can choose not to purchase a particular service, but I suspect in five years, every studio will have its own exclusive streaming service, and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.


That is fine with me. I only watch about 4 channels, and would gladly pay double per channel. Instead of $100 a month of crap, it would be $20 per month (of partly crap).
 
2017-09-13 06:06:15 PM  

albert71292: mcreadyblue: Does Britbox run commercials?

Nope.


I am going to cut the cable in April when the contract is up.  I am curious about Britbox and will check it out.
 
2017-09-13 06:15:43 PM  
I have cable. I don't have the fancy hbo cable but I have cable, I guess I'm finally ok admitting that I don't care what you guys think about me having cable. Go ahead and judge me.
 
2017-09-13 06:18:37 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: mephox: Ads

What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.


how do you internet? . . . phone lines?
 
2017-09-13 06:27:44 PM  

Corn_Fed: and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.


For me, it wasn't the fact that cable bundles were expensive for me in terms of dollar amount. The problem was that the content on the bundles were crap and the service was crap. (so it was expensive relative to what I felt I was getting for my money. I always felt like I was being ripped-off a bit).

At this point, I spend more of my free time gaming than watching shows (and if I feel like watching a show, I have enough on my Netflix list to last me a few years).

So the traditional cable providers and channels can keep their content, I don't want a bundle, I don't want their streaming services. They did too little too late, and what little they did, they half-assed it*.

/*/ for example, HBO Now costs $15 a month, only has a handful of decent shows (Currently they just have three shows I'm interested in, GoT, Westworld, and Curb Your Enthusiasm). Each show is still released throughout a season (meaning one episode per week, with occasional gaps for holidays/etc).

Netflix costs $10 a month and has dozens of decent shows (including content that they've been making on their own). And when a new 'season' is available. They put every single episode out at the same time, so that I can determine when and where I want to watch episodes.
 
2017-09-13 06:31:42 PM  
When I got laid off in 2012, we eliminated the dish, but added Hulu and Netflix via Roku.  Did not realize how much had really changed until I had to take an unexpected trip to Mississippi.  The hotel had wifi and cable tv.  I flipped through the 60+ channels and the only one I watched more than a few seconds of was the freaking weather channel, and that was only to decide what layers to discard.  What a colossal waste of time.  Laying in bed, looking for anything that wasn't 'reality shows,' 'talent shows," or repeats wasted another chunk of time.  Every month, we get multiple offers from the cable companies and satellite groups, trying to lock us in long-term.  Not a chance ever again
 
2017-09-13 06:41:00 PM  

Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso. True, at least you can choose not to purchase a particular service, but I suspect in five years, every studio will have its own exclusive streaming service, and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.


If this argument makes sense to you, you probably watch too much TV. You really don't need any of that content. I'm 35 years old, and in my adult life I've only ever had cable for about a year, and only because it was cheaper than getting internet separately. I didn't even own a TV at the time, and never once used the cable I theoretically had.

It probably sounds like I'm bragging, and in a way I guess I am, but seriously: why the fark do you need all that shiat? Go for a walk, fatty. And stop eating so much corn, it's bad for you. If Youtube, Netflix, and maybe Amazon Prime aren't enough, get a new hobby. Take up bowling or something. Christ.
 
2017-09-13 06:55:03 PM  

Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso. True, at least you can choose not to purchase a particular service, but I suspect in five years, every studio will have its own exclusive streaming service, and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.


If I could get 5% of the bundle at 70% of the price, I'd still be coming out ahead, because 95% is useless.

Cut the cord in 2012 and never looked back.  The only major hurdle is finding a way too access NBCSN during the hockey playoffs.
 
2017-09-13 06:58:18 PM  

wiseolddude: I cut the cord last year. I haven't yet, but I might have withdrawal symptoms missing all the college football games on cable. I have no desire to pay for a streaming service because the point of cable cutting was to eliminate expenses.


slingbox (or the equivalent) for 3-4 months. $25/mo. screw the rest of the year, but you gotta have your CFB.
 
2017-09-13 07:06:09 PM  

farkstorm: Herb Utsmelz: mephox: Ads

What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.

how do you internet? . . . phone lines?


WITH MY MIND
 
2017-09-13 07:49:41 PM  

Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso.


It depends on what you want to Carte.

I don't watch sportsball, so the less than $20 bundle that is supposed to be coming from Viacom (Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, CMT, BET, Nick, Logo, Spike, TV Land), Scripps (HGTV and the Food Network), Discovery Networks (Discovery, TLC, Animal Planet, Science), AMC Networks (AMC, BBC America), and A&E Networks (A&E, History Channel, Biography FYI, Lifetime) sounds interesting to me.
 
2017-09-13 08:00:42 PM  

BullBearMS: Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso.

It depends on what you want to Carte.

I don't watch sportsball, so the less than $20 bundle that is supposed to be coming from Viacom (Comedy Central, MTV, VH1, CMT, BET, Nick, Logo, Spike, TV Land), Scripps (HGTV and the Food Network), Discovery Networks (Discovery, TLC, Animal Planet, Science), AMC Networks (AMC, BBC America), and A&E Networks (A&E, History Channel, Biography FYI, Lifetime) sounds interesting to me.


You can also rotate since there are no contracts. HBOGo for one month, Hulu second month, Netflix third month, DirectTV Now fourth month, CBS fifth month, repeat.
 
2017-09-13 08:29:18 PM  
also syncing up with the 40,000,000 different content streamers by then.
 
2017-09-13 08:42:18 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I have cable. I don't have the fancy hbo cable but I have cable, I guess I'm finally ok admitting that I don't care what you guys think about me having cable. Go ahead and judge me.


I'm too busy watching Crazy Russian Hacker videos on YouTube to judge you.

/safe-tee iz numba won priowity
 
2017-09-13 09:01:47 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: JohnBigBootay: I have cable. I don't have the fancy hbo cable but I have cable, I guess I'm finally ok admitting that I don't care what you guys think about me having cable. Go ahead and judge me.

I'm too busy watching Crazy Russian Hacker videos on YouTube to judge you.

/safe-tee iz numba won priowity


Give me a link and I'll check it out. Cable sucks...
 
2017-09-13 09:10:01 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: farkstorm: Herb Utsmelz: mephox: Ads

What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.

how do you internet? . . . phone lines?

WITH MY MIND


so . . . 2 Mbps download?
 
2017-09-13 09:16:00 PM  

farkstorm: Herb Utsmelz: farkstorm: Herb Utsmelz: mephox: Ads

What are those?

No cable or dish since 2010 and loving it.

how do you internet? . . . phone lines?

WITH MY MIND

so . . . 2 Mbps download?


Hey that's a full T1.
 
2017-09-13 09:33:04 PM  
Eventually the cable companies are going to charge more for Internet by itself where it's going to make more sense to have TV and internet at the same time.
 
2017-09-13 10:03:04 PM  

kibbled: Eventually the cable companies are going to charge more for Internet by itself where it's going to make more sense to have TV and internet at the same time.


They've been doing that around here for years now.

/ Chattanooga, so I have EPB fiber.
// Yes, 1Gbps is frickin awesome!
/// Haven't had cable tv some 2008
 
2017-09-13 10:18:37 PM  
I'm a cordcutter and those goddamned COXsuckers just told me that I was over my monthly 1TB data plan for home internet service by a GB or two so they're charging an extra $10.

Cox swears the 1TB data cap will impact only less than 5% of its customers (Phoenix).

I know that's bullshiat and I'm going to ask my state regulators to audit/review their numbers if this "overage of data" fees continue.

/And those same regulators will ignore me
//Or laugh as they collect their Cox bribes
///Fark the Arizona Corporation Commission
 
2017-09-13 11:23:20 PM  

wiseolddude: I cut the cord last year. I haven't yet, but I might have withdrawal symptoms missing all the college football games on cable. I have no desire to pay for a streaming service because the point of cable cutting was to eliminate expenses.


I think all of them offer 7-day free trials. Try PS Vue this weekend and then cancel it. Then try Sling next weekend, and cancel it. Then DTV Now, then Hulu Live, then Fubo. By then it will be almost November. Which means you can decide that, if you liked one of those services well enough, you can get it for the last two months of CFB - and cancel it for good after bowl season.

Paying $35/month for a few months of live sports is still saving a HELL of a lot of money compared to whatever you used to pay year-round (for my family it was Dish at $143/month after fees).

Corn_Fed: It's starting to look like a la carte is going to be just as expensive, if not moreso. True, at least you can choose not to purchase a particular service, but I suspect in five years, every studio will have its own exclusive streaming service, and it will cost twice as much to get the same content as the bundle had.


You're glossing over a key point - no extra fees and no contracts. Which means you can subscribe to the services you want when they are offering what you want, take stock every month or two, and simply cancel the ones you aren't using.

Besides... At the rate corporate mergers are going, there will only be about four studios in the future.

rightClick: also syncing up with the 40,000,000 different content streamers by then.


Which, in practice, won't be much different than watching one show on each of 40,000,000 different channels like we did before. You're just going into different apps on a Roku or Fire TV instead of clicking through channels on a cable box.
 
2017-09-14 12:15:24 AM  
36 years old and never had cable tv.  What do I win?
 
2017-09-14 12:29:09 AM  
I dumped DirecTV many years ago when they wanted me to pay for a new receiver as part of their MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 conversion.  When I read the fine print, it said that I had to turn the receiver back in if I canceled service, and would not be refunded the purchase price.  WTF?  Told them to EABOD.

I was on my way out the door anyways.  If I pulled my channel guide up most mornings, it was page after page of infomercials.  Even when a channel was playing a show I liked, the commercial blocks were just getting too long and the volume was too loud.  Too many networks did stupid overlays during the program advertising their other shows (USA Network was the worst of the bunch).  And I figure I had omitted over a third of the channels I was subscribed to from my favorites list, including the stupidly expensive ESPN channels.  Fark all that.  I haven't looked back since.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Redbox, and local broadcasters give me more than enough to watch.  Too bad the local broadcasters are turning to crap.  And the Networks are trying to fragment the streaming market.  But that's another matter.
 
2017-09-14 01:28:13 AM  
I'd love to cut the cord completely and watch nothing but the local networks OTA with an antenna but my better half is a Food Network and movie addict.
 
2017-09-14 01:34:27 AM  

albert71292: I got rid of cable TV a little over 7 years ago. Haven't missed it. With Hulu, Britbox, 22 over the air channels, and podcasts, I have more than I have time to watch. Got tired of paying for 150 channels of what was mostly stupid "reality" TV shows.


Yup, we ditched all of it about two years ago.  With Netflix, Hulu, etc. there is precisely one program that we regularly watch that isn't available on any of our services.
 
2017-09-14 02:11:57 AM  

Greybrd: I'd love to cut the cord completely and watch nothing but the local networks OTA with an antenna but my better half is a Food Network and movie addict.


Food Network is available on SlingTV in both their $20 and/or $25 per month packages.

SlingTV Blue seems to be one of the best values out there for the channels I watch, but my problem is the 1TB/month data cap. I'm already pushing 750GB/Month with Netflix (4K is extremely heavy on bandwidth), I'm fairly certain Sling would push me over - and it would cost me another $50/month to remove the data cap with XFinity.

One my contract is up with XFinity I'll probably switch back to U-Verse for a year, and get DirecTV Now.  AT&T doesn't count DirecTV Now streaming against their 1TB Cap.

XFinity is also working on a streaming-only platform, and streaming it won't count against THEIR cap. It's only available in certain markets right now though, not in Houston yet.

Data caps for home Internet service are the worst farking thing they ever came up with IMO.
 
2017-09-14 09:51:35 AM  
I'm almost 50 and had cable tv service for a single year just a few years ago. Comcast insisted that there was no 'internet only' option for the speed & promo I wanted. After a few months, I plugged in their box and discovered it or the cable card was defective. I got that sorted out and even bought a SiliconDust gizmo to take the card instead and give me access to the signal on every networked computer. But the only use I ever got was the bundled HBO go service (it was a very limited cable package, only about a dozen non-shopping channels). I do get a lot of good OTA channels, plus Netflix and the local library.

OTA has been a little fiddly - the local fox station became untunable for me for some reason, I haven't gotten around to trying to fix that. And the computer access to signals was too - I settled on NextPVR. It's been pretty solid lately, but used to have issues with pausing and shifting during live TV. Now it's mostly just recording and I use a different player.

I still feel like I'm far behind all of the good shows I'd like to watch. But cable service would not help that at all - I don't understand why anyone would put up with all the inconveniences of live tv. I get it a little bit for sports, but I often time shift that too, and miss at least a few games of my local NFL team every year entirely. It's amazing how quickly you can catch an entire NFL game when you can skip through the commercials and vast amounts of dead time during the game. And the option to pause or replay is great. But I am way too cheap to consider any sort of service with a monthly bill for that.
 
2017-09-14 10:52:07 AM  
I've never had any cable TV, it's a complete waste of my money because I'm barely home to watch anything and most of it is reality TV away.

I would love a lot of TV stations to convert to a web streaming model where their was a free option with ads at the normal breaks and a pay for version without ads. I don't mind ads so much, just as long as they ain't the same 3 ads repeated over and over again (I'm looking at you hulu).

I have Netflix and Amazon Prime, the availability in Canada is slightly limited but I'm working on figuring out VPNs for international watching. I'm going to have to look into britbox.

My current rig is just an old computer I've hooked into my TV. If it isn't available on netflix or amazon or youtube I just illegally stream the episode/movie.
 
2017-09-14 12:47:14 PM  
I don't know if people are aware of it, but the version of the Tivo DVR that works only with over the air antennas no longer has a monthly service fee attached to it.

Amazon sells them for about 400 bucks and that's a one time cost.

As I mentioned, no monthly fee. No more lump sum you have to pay for lifetime service.

Review: TiVo Roamio OTA is the best OTA DVR for recording from a TV antenna
 
2017-09-14 02:11:58 PM  

BullBearMS: I don't know if people are aware of it, but the version of the Tivo DVR that works only with over the air antennas no longer has a monthly service fee attached to it.


I have an upgraded series 1 (stuck a 1TB drive in it) and haven't figured out what to do with it since I cut the cord.

// in fact, the series 3 is what led me to cut the cord in the first place. I came back form a 1 week vacation and I had about 50 season passes for shows, and there was hardly anything recorded due to the lack of content on Cable TV.

I thought to myself, I have a shiatload of shows to record, including a season pass for 'science fiction', on a dual tuner tivo. And hardly anything was recorded in the week I was away. Why am I paying for this?

// HBO hardly showed decent movies, the sci fi channel hardly showed decent sci fi, everything else was a glut of reality TV/home improvement shows.
 
2017-09-14 02:13:01 PM  

BullBearMS: I don't know if people are aware of it, but the version of the Tivo DVR that works only with over the air antennas no longer has a monthly service fee attached to it.

Amazon sells them for about 400 bucks and that's a one time cost.

As I mentioned, no monthly fee. No more lump sum you have to pay for lifetime service.

Review: TiVo Roamio OTA is the best OTA DVR for recording from a TV antenna


At $400 though, that's a bit pricey.

As a Plex Pass (Lifetime) subscriber, I just use the HDHomeRun Connect. Got it when it was $59 though, now they're like $90. Wonder why..? At any rate, Plex now has DVR capabilities built in (for Plex Pass subscribers, anyway), and it comes with a free Guide. It records directly to your Plex Server HD, and once recorded the recording shows up in Plex just like any other TV Show or Movie does.

Really kinda nice if you already use Plex anyway.
 
2017-09-14 02:20:22 PM  

GrailOfThunder: Really kinda nice if you already use Plex anyway.


Don't you have to set up your own box to act as the Plex server?

// Tivo's are basically little computers. They were the top of the line about 5ish years ago (but the cable companies farked around with them a lot). I don't know what the current state is.

// One of the biggest lies ever told by cable companies was that their own DVRs were as good as a TiVo.
 
2017-09-14 02:45:46 PM  

lordargent: GrailOfThunder: Really kinda nice if you already use Plex anyway.

Don't you have to set up your own box to act as the Plex server?

// Tivo's are basically little computers. They were the top of the line about 5ish years ago (but the cable companies farked around with them a lot). I don't know what the current state is.

// One of the biggest lies ever told by cable companies was that their own DVRs were as good as a TiVo.


Yes, there's a server application that you have to run, but you can put that on pretty much anything; even a Raspberry Pi will handle the server software - unless you play media on a device that requires Plex to transcode before it will play, such as converting an MPEG2 file to an H.264 compatible format for playing on a Roku.. You might get a CPU spike on the server if that happens, but as long as you're running something fairly recent such as an i5 or an i7, you probably wouldn't even notice it.
 
2017-09-14 02:57:57 PM  

GrailOfThunder: At $400 though, that's a bit pricey.


Not compared to the previous setup where you paid for the hardware and paid a monthly fee on top of that. (or paid a lump sum for lifetime service)

People are nuts for their Tivos because they work exceptionally well (even for the tech illiterate) once you get them set up.

With Plex, you're still paying for the hardware (which is more complicated), a service fee, and it requires more tech literacy to keep going.

The Tivo does still have an additional fee to enable streaming to iOS or Android, and Plex doesn't.
 
2017-09-14 03:24:45 PM  

GrailOfThunder: even a Raspberry Pi will handle the server software


I figured as much, hardware has gotten more powerful over the years.

The last I saw, there was a TiVo with six tuners (so two weaker/cheaper hardware should be able to handle two tuners).

At the time, all I could think was 'who can find six different shows to watch at the same time'
 
2017-09-14 03:56:54 PM  

lordargent: I have an upgraded series 1


I bought a Series 2 when they first came out because I was teaching morning classes and night classes and the only time I was home to watch TV was for daytime TV and post primetime night shows till the weekend.

Tivo was expensive back then (hardware plus a one time lifetime service lump sum) but I've never gotten more use and enjoyment out of a tech gadget than I did that Tivo.

It lasted well over a decade and it took a lightning strike direct to the roof to kill it.
 
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