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(MSN)   The U.S. Virgin Islands of St. Thomas and St. John were basically destroyed by Irma. The federal response has been almost non-existent. "Everyone in our neighborhood is walking around with sharpened machetes and guns"   ( msn.com) divider line
    More: Followup, United States Virgin Islands, St. Thomas, Island, Tropical cyclone, Saint Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, Virgin Islands, St. John, Hurricane Irma  
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2017-09-13 10:45:33 AM  
Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?
 
2017-09-13 10:47:08 AM  
Isn't that how St Thomas always is?
 
2017-09-13 10:47:17 AM  
Why would you carry around a dull machete?
 
2017-09-13 10:47:21 AM  
So little ammo left they had to sharpen their guns. Thanks, Obama.
 
2017-09-13 10:48:14 AM  
why would we spend money on a place that doesn't even pay taxes?
 
2017-09-13 10:48:16 AM  
I would totally go for the board with a nail in it...

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2017-09-13 10:49:55 AM  
I've been to St. John once, and enjoyed the trip.  The snobby tourists like me will have to go to some other resort for a few years.  But I do feel really bad for the locals who depend on the tourist industry for their living.  There will be nothing for them for a long time.

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2017-09-13 10:50:56 AM  

Thingster: Why would you carry around a dull machete?


How else would you bring it to the sharpening stone?
 
2017-09-13 10:51:01 AM  

gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?


He prefers islands that don't get hit by hurricanes.
 
2017-09-13 10:52:22 AM  
St. Maarten is on my bucket list, I hope it gets up and running because I am nearing end of life.

Anyone know why they stopped flying 747's and heavies into there?
 
KIA
2017-09-13 10:54:34 AM  
Bankrupt Puerto Rico won't have power for 4 to 6 months.  Not weeks.  Months.

It's gonna be Mad Max down there.  Won't somebody please think of the Bacardi factory???
 
2017-09-13 10:54:44 AM  
If you build a house where weather can blow your house down, the weather will probably blow your house down. And when you live on a remote island, disaster relief will be slow. I feel horrible these people who will feel the effects of this for years (and will probably see another major hurricane before they recover from this one)
 
2017-09-13 10:55:20 AM  
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2017-09-13 10:56:49 AM  
So it's a libertarian Paradise then?
 
2017-09-13 10:56:51 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: why would we spend money on a place that doesn't even pay taxes?


Seems logical given how upset the Fark atheist brigade was at some churches that dared to request FEMA help.
 
2017-09-13 10:56:55 AM  

Thingster: Why would you carry around a dull machete?


Dull or not, I'm pretty sure most people steer clear of the guy with the machete.
 
2017-09-13 10:57:12 AM  

stir22: St. Maarten is on my bucket list, I hope it gets up and running because I am nearing end of life.

Anyone know why they stopped flying 747's and heavies into there?


747s are being retired by all the airlines. They use too much fuel.
 
2017-09-13 10:58:22 AM  
So basically the landed gentry are now in fear of the local poors they've been exploiting?
 
2017-09-13 10:59:10 AM  
Rachel Maddow had an interview with the governor of St. Thomas who was oddly upbeat and optimistic about the repair/recuperation.  He said he got a phone call from Trump who had promised that everything possible could be done from the federal gov.  I guess he hadn't got the word that Trump's promises are essentially a curse of the opposite.
 
2017-09-13 10:59:34 AM  

BalugaJoe: [img.fark.net image 600x311]


Yeah, I heard he's pretty sharp.
 
2017-09-13 10:59:43 AM  
The U.S. has a responsibility to its territories.   Especially to Puerto Rico that voted yes to statehood in June.  I expect that the Congress critters should recognize, pissing off what will be the 8th most populous state might be a mistake.
 
2017-09-13 10:59:51 AM  

gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?


He had a multimillion dollar "home" on St Martin that likely got destoyed.  Before the hurricane he was trying to sell it.
 
2017-09-13 11:00:24 AM  

Thingster: Why would you carry around a dull machete?


Sorry that some of our machetes couldn't afford private schooling, Mr. Fancypants.
 
2017-09-13 11:00:58 AM  

gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?


He has a mansion on St-Martin. Apparently only the landscaping was badly damaged.

Trump has the devil's own luck.
 
KIA
2017-09-13 11:01:58 AM  

mcreadyblue: 747s are being retired by all the airlines. They use too much fuel.


They don't fit in with the airlines plans to make people take connecting flights for every single flight so the airline doesn't have to serve dinner but can sell the hell out of snacks to people who are packed in like sardines and cannot escape.

DubyaHater: If you build a house where weather can blow your house down, the weather will probably blow your house down. And when you live on a remote island, disaster relief will be slow. I feel horrible these people who will feel the effects of this for years (and will probably see another major hurricane before they recover from this one)


Japanese classical architecture is based almost entirely upon easily replaceable bamboo and paper precisely because they kept getting hit by cyclones and tsunamis.  It was a low-cost, easy-to-replace solution.  The people would run to high ground, then return and rebuild.

Just sayin'.
 
2017-09-13 11:02:05 AM  
what did they think was going to happen?  Of course no one has gotten to helping them yet.  when the hurricane left there it didn't just go away. it hit some pretty populated area far closer to where the help is located.  also how exactly is anyone supposed to get to them when there is a hurricane in the way?
 
2017-09-13 11:02:13 AM  
This is a perfect opportunity for libertarians to show us all how great their ideas are in action.  I'm sure they can take this essentially lawless place and whip it into a veritable utopia in short order, since they seem convinced that it's all these stupid laws and regulations that are holding humanity back.
 
2017-09-13 11:02:27 AM  

gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?


Yeah. He vacations there with Bannon

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2017-09-13 11:03:10 AM  

stir22: St. Maarten is on my bucket list, I hope it gets up and running because I am nearing end of life.

Anyone know why they stopped flying 747's and heavies into there.


They have a lot of fantastic beaches, which shouldn't have been affected by the hurricane too much. Finding a place to stay will be tough for awhile, but so much of the economy is tourism so that will get going pretty quickly.
 
2017-09-13 11:03:33 AM  

Thingster: Why would you carry around a dull machete?


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/has a few ideas on the subject
 
2017-09-13 11:03:37 AM  
Federal response has been nonexistent

of course

there are likely no Trump properties on the islands.
 
2017-09-13 11:03:40 AM  

Weaver95: So it's a libertarian Paradise then?


When a massive government fails, it's proof that libertarianism is wrong.
 
2017-09-13 11:03:41 AM  

gar1013: Plant Rights Activist: why would we spend money on a place that doesn't even pay taxes?

Seems logical given how upset the Fark atheist brigade was at some churches that dared to request FEMA help.


They wanted cash, not help.
 
2017-09-13 11:03:47 AM  
I think it's shameful that we have territories we exert sovereign control over yet don't support the way we support the States.  I think we should make PR a state, and probably add the VIs to it, and probably also add the Pacific territories to Hawaii.  Also, DC should have representation.  Enough with this second class citizenship BS.
 
2017-09-13 11:04:10 AM  
If only our nation had some sort of guards that they could deploy in the event of a national emergency.
 
2017-09-13 11:04:29 AM  

abhorrent1: gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?

Yeah. He vacations there with Bannon

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GAH!!
 
2017-09-13 11:04:42 AM  

Thingster: Why would you carry around a dull machete?


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2017-09-13 11:06:03 AM  

DubyaHater: If you build a house where weather can blow your house down, the weather will probably blow your house down. And when you live on a remote island, disaster relief will be slow. I feel horrible these people who will feel the effects of this for years (and will probably see another major hurricane before they recover from this one)


Because everyone chooses where they get to be born.
 
2017-09-13 11:06:33 AM  
The US Government seems to do a better job of looking after its citizens and residents abroad. There is usually an airlift or ships to ferry US Citizens to safety. The Canadian Government needs to up its game, because Canadians can not always count on the UK Embassy or High Commission to harbour and rescue Canadians, although bless the, they often do look out for the Dominions in urgent cases.

Canadians on the Caribbean Islands were turned away from various flights and ships (like the Marriot ship that turned away people who were not staying at the Marriot despite having 200 free berths). It is sad to think that the US may not always be up to scratch despite the long-standing doctrine of Pax Americana and the equally traditonal and cherished doctrine of No Man Left Behind.

We need to get on the backs of our Parliamentarians and Congress Critters, I guess.
 
2017-09-13 11:06:39 AM  
An acquaintance moved the USVI about 6 months ago.  I'd get the occasional forwarded picture he sent with a "this is paradise" tag or whatever.  monday morning we got a GoFundMe from him that said basically, almost verbatim:

"Please help me.  I have nothing.  Everything was destroyed.  Destruction and dead animals everywhere.  I am probably going to have to walk away from every possession I had just to survive.  It is desperate.  Please.  I need your help.  Things are bad and they are going to get worse."

be safe, eric.
 
2017-09-13 11:06:40 AM  

berylman: Rachel Maddow had an interview with the governor of St. Thomas who was oddly upbeat and optimistic about the repair/recuperation.  He said he got a phone call from Trump who had promised that everything possible could be done from the federal gov.  I guess he hadn't got the word that Trump's promises are essentially a curse of the opposite.


He went out of his way to thank Trump for the recovery efforts even and said the federal recovery efforts were strongly underway already.
 
KIA
2017-09-13 11:08:04 AM  

pearls before swine: I think it's shameful that we have territories we exert sovereign control over yet don't support the way we support the States.  I think we should make PR a state, and probably add the VIs to it, and probably also add the Pacific territories to Hawaii.  Also, DC should have representation.  Enough with this second class citizenship BS.


Yeah, they also don't pay taxes and that's why Puerto Rico has repeatedly declined to seek statehood.
 
2017-09-13 11:08:19 AM  

abhorrent1: gideon: Does D2S have property there?

Can he even find it on a map?

Yeah. He vacations there with Bannon

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2017-09-13 11:08:37 AM  
I suppose that, after totally taking it up the ass from a hurricane, we should start calling them the US Technical Virgin Islands.
 
2017-09-13 11:09:30 AM  
Virgin Islands residents are U.S. citizens but cannot cast electoral votes for the president of the U.S.


Soooooo, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?
 
2017-09-13 11:09:44 AM  

TheAlgebraist: I suppose that, after totally taking it up the ass from a hurricane, we should start calling them the US Technical Virgin Islands.


They got one heck of a blowjob too.
 
2017-09-13 11:09:53 AM  

major hatred: The U.S. has a responsibility to its territories.   Especially to Puerto Rico that voted yes to statehood in June.  I expect that the Congress critters should recognize, pissing off what will be the 8th most populous state might be a mistake.


I think its cute how you think a Republican Congress would grant Democrats 2 Senate and several House seats just because some brown folks on some island off near Thailand or Madagascar or wherever asked for it.
 
2017-09-13 11:09:56 AM  

major hatred: The U.S. has a responsibility to its territories.   Especially to Puerto Rico that voted yes to statehood in June.  I expect that the Congress critters should recognize, pissing off what will be the 8th most populous state might be a mistake.


Puerto Rico, per the Constitution, will become a state at the convenience of Congress, not Puerto Rico. That's not going to happen in this Congress.
 
2017-09-13 11:12:33 AM  

KIA: pearls before swine: I think it's shameful that we have territories we exert sovereign control over yet don't support the way we support the States.  I think we should make PR a state, and probably add the VIs to it, and probably also add the Pacific territories to Hawaii.  Also, DC should have representation.  Enough with this second class citizenship BS.

Yeah, they also don't pay taxes and that's why Puerto Rico has repeatedly declined to seek statehood.


Have they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statehood_movement_in_Puerto_Rico
 
2017-09-13 11:12:59 AM  

pearls before swine: I think it's shameful that we have territories we exert sovereign control over yet don't support the way we support the States.  I think we should make PR a state, and probably add the VIs to it, and probably also add the Pacific territories to Hawaii. Also, DC should have representation.  Enough with this second class citizenship BS.


Peter Schiff (?), who is I guess some kind of economist, was on Joe Rogan podcast about 2-3 weeks ago, and he was saying how he moved a ton of his businesses to PR to avoid paying US income tax (at least I think that's how he posited it).  he said as a commonwealth or whatever, non-state, they aren't subject to US income tax but have their own PR tax.  He said in broad strokes it is cheaper for him to live there and / or save money.

then, specifically to your point, he vehemently argued against statehood.  I don't recall his arguments specifically and even then, they were economically based and that is way out of my league.  it was more or less, as i recall, if PR becomes a state, then they are subject to footing their share of the bill for all the various Medicare/Obamacare/SSI, blah blah blah, and he's like, 'and while PR is more or less barely avoiding bankruptcy, statehood would crush the PR economy and render it a third world island nation.  statehood would be a terrible, terrible decision for PR...."
 
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