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(Daily Mail)   According to economic predictions, all the world's money will be sucked up into a vortex on November 3rd, the day the new IPhone is released   ( dailymail.co.uk) divider line
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2017-09-13 08:59:22 AM  
I've been seriously considering an iPhone but I'm not going to spend that much money.
 
2017-09-13 09:07:21 AM  

edmo: I've been seriously considering an iPhone but I'm not going to spend that much money.


Buy an older version. I have a 6 (I think) and it works great. The new features on the new iPhone are bullshiat.
 
2017-09-13 09:07:55 AM  
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2017-09-13 09:14:42 AM  
It certainly won't be any of the company phones I administer.  If they insist on an iPhone they're getting a 6 because they're free now.
 
2017-09-13 09:44:27 AM  
I'm not an iPhone guy and I don't buy the latest Android phone either, but why in the world is a $1000 phone a big deal to people?

People buy $1000 laptops without thinking about it. People pay $1000 for TVs just to have 4K when their 1080P TV is perfectly acceptable.  A phone is something you use more than either of those, and they're as powerful as laptops just a few years old in a tiny package. If nothing else, you're going to pay $50-$100/mo for phone service, so forgive me if I don't see a $1000 phone that is the high-end luxury model as a particularly big deal.
 
2017-09-13 09:47:44 AM  

dukeblue219: I'm not an iPhone guy and I don't buy the latest Android phone either, but why in the world is a $1000 phone a big deal to people?

People buy $1000 laptops without thinking about it. People pay $1000 for TVs just to have 4K when their 1080P TV is perfectly acceptable.  A phone is something you use more than either of those, and they're as powerful as laptops just a few years old in a tiny package. If nothing else, you're going to pay $50-$100/mo for phone service, so forgive me if I don't see a $1000 phone that is the high-end luxury model as a particularly big deal.


If you use your phone more than your computer or your TV, then you have a serious problem

And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?
 
2017-09-13 09:53:19 AM  

dukeblue219: I'm not an iPhone guy and I don't buy the latest Android phone either, but why in the world is a $1000 phone a big deal to people?

People buy $1000 laptops without thinking about it. People pay $1000 for TVs just to have 4K when their 1080P TV is perfectly acceptable.  A phone is something you use more than either of those, and they're as powerful as laptops just a few years old in a tiny package. If nothing else, you're going to pay $50-$100/mo for phone service, so forgive me if I don't see a $1000 phone that is the high-end luxury model as a particularly big deal.


You spend more time on your phone, but what are you doing with it?  For the vast majority of people, they're just texting, snapchatting, instagramming, and accessing websites either through the browser or the site's mobile app.  Streaming video is about the toughest thing most phones do, and basic bare-bones smartphones can do all of those things.

The $1k computer, however, can at least do things that cheaper computers can't.  If you want to play the latest PC games on the highest settings, generally $1k will do it for you.  If you need to do lots of video editing, same thing---you'll need the $1k computer instead of the $400 one.

People can buy those phones if they want, but I highly doubt they'll find that their $1k phone is meaningfully more useful than a $500 phone would have been.  At least with other "high-end" items, you're paying more for more performance (even if you might not use that performance).
 
2017-09-13 09:56:36 AM  

lucksi: dukeblue219: I'm not an iPhone guy and I don't buy the latest Android phone either, but why in the world is a $1000 phone a big deal to people?

People buy $1000 laptops without thinking about it. People pay $1000 for TVs just to have 4K when their 1080P TV is perfectly acceptable.  A phone is something you use more than either of those, and they're as powerful as laptops just a few years old in a tiny package. If nothing else, you're going to pay $50-$100/mo for phone service, so forgive me if I don't see a $1000 phone that is the high-end luxury model as a particularly big deal.

If you use your phone more than your computer or your TV, then you have a serious problem

And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?


If you use your computer more than reading a book, then you have a serious problem.
 
2017-09-13 10:00:16 AM  

lucksi: If you use your phone more than your computer or your TV, then you have a serious problem

And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?


Get a load of Rip Van Wrinkle over here.
 
2017-09-13 10:01:05 AM  
Is this the thread where Farkers yet again predict no one will buy a new Apple product and then it sets a sales record?
 
2017-09-13 10:06:50 AM  
lucksi:

And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?

Canadians
 
2017-09-13 10:09:07 AM  

dukeblue219: A phone is something you use more than either of those


Ah...no.  No I don't.
 
2017-09-13 10:11:18 AM  

Mugato: edmo: I've been seriously considering an iPhone but I'm not going to spend that much money.

Buy an older version. I have a 6 (I think) and it works great. The new features on the new iPhone are bullshiat.


Hell, you don't even have to get an older model. Just go for the iPhone 8, which is $300 cheaper out of the gate, but has the same A11 processor under the hood so it'll be a phone that will last someone at least 3 years or so if they take care of it and don't get the upgrade itch.

Plus, I'm betting sales will be realitively soft for the 8 because the X is more desired, so it's a lot more likely you'd be able to find promos that get the price down even further, especially during the holiday season. Last year, for example, you could trade in an iPhone 6 on a lot of carriers and get a 7 pretty much for free once they applied a monthly credit to your bill (which was doled out over 24 months so the carrier could lock you in, of course).
 
2017-09-13 10:13:09 AM  
apple is already sitting on a giant pile of money how much more do they need
 
2017-09-13 10:32:50 AM  
Christ, this argument has been going on forever...  Which is better, iPhone or Android?
I actually did a project for school (yes, I'm a 48 year old college student), where I explain, in short, that they are essentially the same.
Which mobile should I buy?

From a consumer standpoint, that is essentially true.  If you like one over the other, you have a very specific reason.

Having said that - speaking as a mobile app developer, I think the iPhones are farking crap!  Everything about development for their systems is confusing, difficult, expensive, unreliable, ever-changing, restrictive, and a few other adverbs...  And for all that trouble, the apps I've developed for the iPhone have not even paid for themselves.  Not even close.  I have to pay $100 a year to keep my Apple storefront open.  I haven't made back the $200 I've spent so far.

The apps get the same promotion as my Android versions of the same apps.  But the userbase amounts to about 10% compared to Android.  That is to say, for every 1000 downloads for Android, I get 100 iPhone downloads.  For the exact same app with the exact same functionality.

I will be dropping development for Apple soon.  There is just no need to keep beating that horse.
 
2017-09-13 10:34:20 AM  

lucksi: And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?


Um, most people I think. Mind sharing what you pay and what kind of service you get for that price?

My wife and I pay about $120/mo total for 2 phones (service only, no device payments) with 15 GB/mo data and unlimited voice/text with AT&T.
 
2017-09-13 10:39:00 AM  

durbnpoisn: Christ, this argument has been going on forever...  Which is better, iPhone or Android?
I actually did a project for school (yes, I'm a 48 year old college student), where I explain, in short, that they are essentially the same.
Which mobile should I buy?

From a consumer standpoint, that is essentially true.  If you like one over the other, you have a very specific reason.

Having said that - speaking as a mobile app developer, I think the iPhones are farking crap!  Everything about development for their systems is confusing, difficult, expensive, unreliable, ever-changing, restrictive, and a few other adverbs...  And for all that trouble, the apps I've developed for the iPhone have not even paid for themselves.  Not even close.  I have to pay $100 a year to keep my Apple storefront open.  I haven't made back the $200 I've spent so far.

The apps get the same promotion as my Android versions of the same apps.  But the userbase amounts to about 10% compared to Android.  That is to say, for every 1000 downloads for Android, I get 100 iPhone downloads.  For the exact same app with the exact same functionality.

I will be dropping development for Apple soon.  There is just no need to keep beating that horse.


For some reason, the numbers skew the opposite way for us here, although I have to extrapolate stats off the 5-10% who don't disable metrics being shared. Also find Swift to be pretty intuitive

I like my iPhone because I baked my family into the ecosystem. Lots of synergy if you have a few things. Price doesn't appear to be a factor if you keep things for a long time.

I have a 2012 macbook pro, a 2011 mac mini home server, an iPad 2 and Air 1, two iPhone 5 phones and an AppleTV3 between my wife and I. Lots of money, but not upgrading often, and all of the above is just fine for now. Maybe in a year or two the phones will get a bump. I like them, and the price works for how long I keep them.
 
2017-09-13 10:39:02 AM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: dukeblue219: A phone is something you use more than either of those

Ah...no.  No I don't.


The average person probably does, though. I run into people all the time that do not own a computer, or at least not one from the last decade. They have an iPhone 7 Plus and an ancient Compaq laptop from 2005. You and I may use laptops all day long, but the era of the ubiquitous home computer is ending from what I can tell.

My point is, ultimately, that $1000 every 2 years is not crazy. If you think "$1000 for a PHONE??" then it's not for you. But the iPhone 8, iPhone X, the Samsung whatever, none of those are "phones" in any traditional sense. You can buy a $300 model or a $1000 model depending on what you want, just like laptops, TVs, or any other consumer good.
 
2017-09-13 10:58:49 AM  
Even cats like the iPhone.

I've got an Iphone
 
2017-09-13 11:01:43 AM  

montreal_medic: For some reason, the numbers skew the opposite way for us here, although I have to extrapolate stats off the 5-10% who don't disable metrics being shared. Also find Swift to be pretty intuitive


The metrics provided by Apple only tell a portion of the story because, like you say, many people have that stuff disabled, or just don't want to participate.
But Google AdSense tells the complete story.  I know the impressions.  I know the number of clicks.  The difference between the two systems is staggering.
 
2017-09-13 11:03:55 AM  

durbnpoisn: montreal_medic: For some reason, the numbers skew the opposite way for us here, although I have to extrapolate stats off the 5-10% who don't disable metrics being shared. Also find Swift to be pretty intuitive

The metrics provided by Apple only tell a portion of the story because, like you say, many people have that stuff disabled, or just don't want to participate.
But Google AdSense tells the complete story.  I know the impressions.  I know the number of clicks.  The difference between the two systems is staggering.


Our main metric is sales origin, and we make about 20x the $ amount in sales on ios devices than the sum of all other device types, including android and "desktop"
 
2017-09-13 11:11:54 AM  
How much are they willing to pay me to carry an iPhone?
 
2017-09-13 11:13:07 AM  

dukeblue219: lucksi: And who in their right mind would pay 50 to 100 bucks A MONTH on a phone contract?

Um, most people I think. Mind sharing what you pay and what kind of service you get for that price?

My wife and I pay about $120/mo total for 2 phones (service only, no device payments) with 15 GB/mo data and unlimited voice/text with AT&T.


0 bucks for the first phone with unlimited data, 3 bucks for the second phone with unlimited data.
that is of course bundled into my landline which is 30 or 40 bucks a month for a 50 down/10 up line

/competition is great,no?
 
2017-09-13 11:33:25 AM  

Mugato: edmo: I've been seriously considering an iPhone but I'm not going to spend that much money.

Buy an older version. I have a 6 (I think) and it works great. The new features on the new iPhone are bullshiat.


copied straight from Korean and Chinese phones from last year. Of course Jon Ivey will pretentiously opine on how beautiful and revolutionary the new iPhone is, but it is really just a marked up copy running IOS.

I too have a 6, and when it goes, I'm not getting another iPhone. It's not really worth it imo.
 
2017-09-13 12:06:33 PM  

montreal_medic: durbnpoisn: montreal_medic: For some reason, the numbers skew the opposite way for us here, although I have to extrapolate stats off the 5-10% who don't disable metrics being shared. Also find Swift to be pretty intuitive

The metrics provided by Apple only tell a portion of the story because, like you say, many people have that stuff disabled, or just don't want to participate.
But Google AdSense tells the complete story.  I know the impressions.  I know the number of clicks.  The difference between the two systems is staggering.

Our main metric is sales origin, and we make about 20x the $ amount in sales on ios devices than the sum of all other device types, including android and "desktop"


Well, maybe I need to write one of your kind of apps.
If there is one thing I've learned about app development and promotion, it's that I don't know shiat.  I'm making it all up as I go along.
 
2017-09-13 12:13:45 PM  

durbnpoisn: montreal_medic: durbnpoisn: montreal_medic: For some reason, the numbers skew the opposite way for us here, although I have to extrapolate stats off the 5-10% who don't disable metrics being shared. Also find Swift to be pretty intuitive

The metrics provided by Apple only tell a portion of the story because, like you say, many people have that stuff disabled, or just don't want to participate.
But Google AdSense tells the complete story.  I know the impressions.  I know the number of clicks.  The difference between the two systems is staggering.

Our main metric is sales origin, and we make about 20x the $ amount in sales on ios devices than the sum of all other device types, including android and "desktop"

Well, maybe I need to write one of your kind of apps.
If there is one thing I've learned about app development and promotion, it's that I don't know shiat.  I'm making it all up as I go along.


Or, we made some key decision by accident that either favoured iOS users or discouraged everyone else. Hard to say.

The québec market is strange though. The main carriers were still offering android 2.x devices as the subsidized free phones back when 4.4 was out. As a result, people here tended to see them as inferior- only crappier models were seen in the wild. So people got into iPhones. And lots of people won't change if they have no compelling reason

Perhaps my market is just more iOS than yours
 
2017-09-13 12:38:01 PM  
Goddamn there are a lot of stupid and/or rich people in the world. You'd have to have a screw loose or a shiatload of spare change laying around.
 
2017-09-13 12:51:43 PM  
Phones have run out of gee-whiz features and improved speed that people really want, this gold rush is going to grind to a halt eventually.

It used to be that the last 6 months of a 2 year contract cycle with even a top of the line phone was painful as new updates and more demanding software made them painfully slow.   Happened with my Droid X and Droid Razr for sure.   Then something happened where phones got fast enough to survive a few OS updates and new apps and now I'm headed into my 4th year with an LG G3 which still feels as spunky as it did in 2014.

Phone is still quick, has a 5.5" QHD screen and I've no complaints about the camera.   I can not see a single reason to dump it.
 
2017-09-13 01:48:27 PM  
It would solve a lot of problems at once if they have really powerful samsung batteries.
 
2017-09-13 02:03:54 PM  

thornhill: Is this the thread where Farkers yet again predict no one will buy a new Apple product and then it sets a sales record?


I predict there will be record sales and Apple stock will hit a new high. I might sell mine.
 
2017-09-13 03:49:47 PM  

Nick Nostril: Goddamn there are a lot of stupid and/or rich people in the world. You'd have to have a screw loose or a shiatload of spare change laying around.


People spend too much money on all kinds of crap that bring them no extra utility over cheaper versions.

Just look at cars.
 
2017-09-13 07:40:20 PM  
Well, I'm not buying one, so I guess just myself and Apple will have all the money. They might have more.
 
2017-09-13 11:07:03 PM  
I'm far, far from the target market for this, but I bet they make a god damn killing. A co-worker of mine told me he spent $400 for a contract-subsidized phone. A release day iPhone 7 Plus, I think. Once his upgrade cycle is up, he'll be headed straight for the X. I doubt he's a rarity.

I can't fathom it, but I also can't fathom taking advantage of it if put in a position to do so.
 
2017-09-13 11:59:18 PM  

dukeblue219: I'm not an iPhone guy and I don't buy the latest Android phone either, but why in the world is a $1000 phone a big deal to people?

People buy $1000 laptops without thinking about it. People pay $1000 for TVs just to have 4K when their 1080P TV is perfectly acceptable.  A phone is something you use more than either of those, and they're as powerful as laptops just a few years old in a tiny package. If nothing else, you're going to pay $50-$100/mo for phone service, so forgive me if I don't see a $1000 phone that is the high-end luxury model as a particularly big deal.


Yeah, but I NEED a $1000 laptop for work/school. I don't need a $1000 phone.

I may use a phone more, as in more touches than a laptop, but a $500 phone can do most needed things as well as the $1000 one. Can't say the same about a laptop.
 
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