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(AZ Family)   What kind of teacher punishes a group of second graders by making them walk around in circles for 20 minutes outside under the scorching Arizona sun?   ( azfamily.com) divider line
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2017-09-13 01:13:58 AM  
Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh
 
2017-09-13 01:33:48 AM  
Joe Arpaio?
 
2017-09-13 02:31:40 AM  

daphne: Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh


You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

Is this sarcasm?  I only hope so.  I miss the days when sarcasm was clearly marked on Fark.
 
2017-09-13 02:31:47 AM  
We called that P.E. in my school in Phoenix. We had a hot-weather rule -- after 105 degrees, the office employees watched the temperature. If we hit 110, all-school announcement was made and everybody had to go inside ASAP and be able to get drinks, go to the bathroom, sit, and chill for at least 20 minutes before starting instruction.

Everybody went out for recess. Lots of kids stayed in the shade, but lots of kids just HAD to play basketball or soccer, or football, and they would for a good 25 minutes. Then they'd go inside, stinking, sucking down water from their bottles, but nobody died. It's not like they weren't used to the heat or didn't know how to survive.

As a general rule in my class, you could get a drink or refill your water bottle any time without asking (except no water bottles anywhere NEAR the pianos.) Some of my band players would get their water bottles and go outside and drench themselves, shake off, and come back in. I told them as long as they didn't drip on any instruments, I didn't care.
 
2017-09-13 02:38:04 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: daphne: Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh

You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

Is this sarcasm?  I only hope so.  I miss the days when sarcasm was clearly marked on Fark.


90 degrees in Phoenix isn't hot. It's not like 90 in Florida (where my sister just got her AC back just tonight). Kids in Phoenix have to deal with heat. And heat much worse than 90. I think the bigger transgression here, by far, is making them march around in a circle like a bunch of drones. It's dehumanizing, teaches nothing,  and does nothing to address problems in classroom management.

This sh*t isn't easy, either. I have to learn new strategies every year. Some work, some don't. But this marching in a circle thing is old-skool f*ckery.
 
2017-09-13 05:23:20 AM  
Notice how the school doesn't go into detail on what set the teacher off?  Glendale is affluent, yes?  I grew up in an affluent community and the kids made our 2nd grade teacher cry.  Those kids were freaking ruthless.  My grandma drove a school bus for 15 years in SF and bussed kids in the Tenderloin, then got promoted to an upper class Catholic school.  2 mos later she asked for the Tenderloin route back.  Said the rich kids were the most ill-behaved, profane, violent children she had ever experienced.  Yah yah, anecdotal info is best info but fark it.
Also, I am sure it felt like 20 minutes but was really 5.  90-degree weather in AZ is downright pleasant.   The punishment does seem extreme, perhaps it was, but damnit, if the worst Bethany got was a tummy ache and had to lie down, nut up mom, damn.  Sick of mollycoddling kids.  And before you even start that's why I don't have any, as it were
 
2017-09-13 06:06:46 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Joe Arpaio?


Thread done
 
2017-09-13 06:16:08 AM  
Builds character.
 
2017-09-13 06:21:55 AM  

daphne: Notice how the school doesn't go into detail on what set the teacher off?  Glendale is affluent, yes?  I grew up in an affluent community and the kids made our 2nd grade teacher cry.  Those kids were freaking ruthless.  My grandma drove a school bus for 15 years in SF and bussed kids in the Tenderloin, then got promoted to an upper class Catholic school.  2 mos later she asked for the Tenderloin route back.  Said the rich kids were the most ill-behaved, profane, violent children she had ever experienced.  Yah yah, anecdotal info is best info but fark it.
Also, I am sure it felt like 20 minutes but was really 5.  90-degree weather in AZ is downright pleasant.   The punishment does seem extreme, perhaps it was, but damnit, if the worst Bethany got was a tummy ache and had to lie down, nut up mom, damn.  Sick of mollycoddling kids.  And before you even start that's why I don't have any, as it were


I bet you walked 10 miles to school every day in 120 degree heat. And it was uphill in both directions, wasn't it?
 
2017-09-13 06:21:56 AM  
Gonna agree with dephne on this one.  All kids can be shiatty, but affluent kids compete with each other to raise that bar.
 
2017-09-13 06:25:37 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Joe Arpaio?

I was gonna say, this is Arizona, the state that proudly gave us Sheriff Joe.  I could think of a lot worse in terms of punishment but they kind of revel in sadistic cruelty down there so what's the surprise?
 
2017-09-13 06:25:44 AM  
meanwhile you're all okay with illegal immigrants putting roofs on your houses, breaking their backs all day under the same sun for paltry cash a contractor throws at them. get those lazy lima bean 2nd graders up on those roofs. let those little sons of biatches know how good they have it being Murican.
 
2017-09-13 06:26:27 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: daphne: Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh

You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

Is this sarcasm?  I only hope so.  I miss the days when sarcasm was clearly marked on Fark.


using words like "forced" and "march" certainly makes it sound bad.  The little bastards would be running full speed for the entire 20 minutes on their own during recess...  and... It's Arizona - 90 degrees is pretty much a normal summer day there.  From another article that isn't quite so one-sided and whiny  "A spokesperson for the Dysart Unified School District confirmed that the teacher did take the children outside as punishment, but said the students were only outside for five minutes, and were later checked by the school nurse and were fine."  yeah, it was an asshole thing to do - but far from abusive.
 
2017-09-13 06:26:40 AM  
Ok.  And?  Do you even remember grade school instruction?  It's basically the mental version of walking around in a circle.  The actual walking around in a circle is probably a relief.  Besides, would they rather corporal punishment be brought back?
 
2017-09-13 06:27:34 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: ElizaDoolittle: daphne: Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh

You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

Is this sarcasm?  I only hope so.  I miss the days when sarcasm was clearly marked on Fark.

90 degrees in Phoenix isn't hot. It's not like 90 in Florida (where my sister just got her AC back just tonight). Kids in Phoenix have to deal with heat. And heat much worse than 90. I think the bigger transgression here, by far, is making them march around in a circle like a bunch of drones. It's dehumanizing, teaches nothing,  and does nothing to address problems in classroom management.

This sh*t isn't easy, either. I have to learn new strategies every year. Some work, some don't. But this marching in a circle thing is old-skool f*ckery.


It's supposed to be uncomfortable for the kids who caused everyone else to be punished. The good kids are supposed to make the bad kids feel bad for making everyone get punished. But if any of the good kids tried to express their anger to the bad kids they would get in trouble. This is the result of anti-bullying efforts. Congrats! We now have a generation of kids too afraid to do the right thing.
 
2017-09-13 06:32:46 AM  

stirfrybry: The good kids are supposed to make the bad kids feel bad for making everyone get punished. But if any of the good kids tried to express their anger to the bad kids they would get in trouble.

It's Glendale.  What good kids would there be?
 
2017-09-13 06:32:48 AM  

pastramithemosterotic: daphne: Notice how the school doesn't go into detail on what set the teacher off?  Glendale is affluent, yes?  I grew up in an affluent community and the kids made our 2nd grade teacher cry.  Those kids were freaking ruthless.  My grandma drove a school bus for 15 years in SF and bussed kids in the Tenderloin, then got promoted to an upper class Catholic school.  2 mos later she asked for the Tenderloin route back.  Said the rich kids were the most ill-behaved, profane, violent children she had ever experienced.  Yah yah, anecdotal info is best info but fark it.
Also, I am sure it felt like 20 minutes but was really 5.  90-degree weather in AZ is downright pleasant.   The punishment does seem extreme, perhaps it was, but damnit, if the worst Bethany got was a tummy ache and had to lie down, nut up mom, damn.  Sick of mollycoddling kids.  And before you even start that's why I don't have any, as it were

I bet you walked 10 miles to school every day in 120 degree heat. And it was uphill in both directions, wasn't it?


No, not 10 miles but I was walking to school from 2nd grade on. *thinking* probably a mile.  My mom didn't know how to drive
 
2017-09-13 06:32:56 AM  
All I know is what the educators tell me.  School ain't like what it was, for you and for me.  Kids these days are vicious as hell.  If even a tenth of what I've been told is accurate, I'd hate to have a little girl going to school right now.
 
2017-09-13 06:33:19 AM  
I think the only difference between this and what the kids normally do at recess is that the kids HAD to do something in particular instead of just racing around as they wanted.  I want to ask the mom in that article if she demands that the school cancels recess when it's 90+ and keep the kids inside.  If the answer is no, then she's just whining to whine about her kid being punished for doing something.

In a way, I think it was a decent choice - heat tires people out faster, so maybe it would settle the kids down more and make them a bit less rowdy in the class.
 
2017-09-13 06:34:27 AM  
Are you going to die on me? DO IT NOW ! !
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2017-09-13 06:34:57 AM  

sinko swimo: meanwhile you're all okay with illegal immigrants putting roofs on your houses, breaking their backs all day under the same sun for paltry cash a contractor throws at them. get those lazy lima bean 2nd graders up on those roofs. let those little sons of biatches know how good they have it being Murican.


BETHANY WAS UPSET AND HAD TO LAY DOWN HOW MANY TIMES MUST I EXPLAIN TO YOU?
 
2017-09-13 06:38:06 AM  

GungFu: Are you going to die on me? DO IT NOW ! !
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[csb] Oh god hah.  My brother made me watch that movie the day after I enlisted in the Marines so long ago.  I think he was trying to scare me out of it.  He was Army back then.  Little do I know I'd meet Lee Ermy at MCRD San Diego.  He was signing autographs for the toys for tots campaign in exchange for donations. [/csb]
 
2017-09-13 06:41:45 AM  

daphne: feel nauseous with a headache


I come home from work like that every day.

/code toad
 
2017-09-13 06:43:14 AM  

Gramma: daphne: feel nauseous with a headache

I come home from work like that every day.

/code toad


Before or after happy hour?

/before for me, after....gooood timez
 
2017-09-13 06:45:07 AM  
You wonder how the native children do it.
They don't have a.c. and walk to school.

/Snowflakes melt in Az.
//first ex wife was from Snowflake, As.
/// Nation of pussies.
 
2017-09-13 06:45:21 AM  
What kind of teacher punishes a group of 2nd-graders by making them walk around in circles for 20 minutes outside under the scorching Arizona sun?

10 Worst Teachers Of All Time
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2017-09-13 06:50:38 AM  
If it wouldnt be ok to do it to adults in prison, then it's not ok to do it to schoolchildren, imo.
 
2017-09-13 06:52:54 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?


For just 20 minutes?  Absolutely.  For hours?  No.

This sounds like a creative punishment that causes *ZERO* harm to the kids.  It's not the farkin Bataan Death March.
 
2017-09-13 06:54:45 AM  
Primary school in the Middle East - summer typically 100+F, 100% humidity. Sent home for lunch, and established playground etiquette was that first back on the rounders pitch gets to set the rules. Used to bicycle home (yes, uphill) a mile or so, gulp down my 3-shredded-wheat-with-honey lunch, whizz back to school (incredibly, also uphill) and usually win the pitch race. Play offspring-of-headless-chicken-bred-with-blue-arsed-fly rounders for remaining 3/4 hour, then start lessons in uncooled classrooms.

I remember occasions thinking my face was going to burst.

Of course, this was voluntary, not a punishment, so it's OK.

/HSB?
 
2017-09-13 06:55:40 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: daphne: Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Did little Bethany need to lie down when she got home?  Was she so weak she couldn't log into her instagram account? The horror!

90+ degrees, smdh

You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

Is this sarcasm?  I only hope so.  I miss the days when sarcasm was clearly marked on Fark.


It's Ok. It was a dry heat.
 
2017-09-13 06:55:48 AM  

dittybopper: ElizaDoolittle: You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

For just 20 minutes?  Absolutely.  For hours?  No.

This sounds like a creative punishment that causes *ZERO* harm to the kids.  It's not the farkin Bataan Death March.


It wasn't even 20 mins and once the school found out what happened all children visited the school nurse without incident. Christ what pussy children America has now
 
2017-09-13 06:56:50 AM  

Lady J: If it wouldnt be ok to do it to adults in prison, then it's not ok to do it to schoolchildren, imo.


It would be perfectly OK to do this to adult prisoners.  In fact, I'd say it would be so easy that it wouldn't qualify as punishment for adults.  Walking for circles in 90 degree weather for 20 minutes shouldn't have any negative effects *WHATSOEVER* on any child or adult in good health.

If your little snowflake can't walk for 20 minutes in 90 degree heat, they're probably going to die before they reach middle school anyway.
 
2017-09-13 06:57:36 AM  
Mordicai Jones - Walkin' In The Arizona Sun (US1972)
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2017-09-13 06:59:20 AM  

dittybopper: ElizaDoolittle: You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

For just 20 minutes?  Absolutely.  For hours?  No.

This sounds like a creative punishment that causes *ZERO* harm to the kids.  It's not the farkin Bataan Death March.


Would have been funny if they all were whistling the Bridge over River Kwai song.
 
2017-09-13 07:02:19 AM  
I am not outraged.
Next?
 
2017-09-13 07:05:12 AM  
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2017-09-13 07:05:50 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Joe Arpaio?


Came to say this.
 
2017-09-13 07:05:53 AM  

daphne: dittybopper: ElizaDoolittle: You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

For just 20 minutes?  Absolutely.  For hours?  No.

This sounds like a creative punishment that causes *ZERO* harm to the kids.  It's not the farkin Bataan Death March.

It wasn't even 20 mins and once the school found out what happened all children visited the school nurse without incident. Christ what pussy children America has now


This.

Though I would submit that it's not the children, it's the parents.  I'm a parent myself, and if I heard about this having happened to my son back when he was in 2nd Grade, I'd probably just chuckle.

I bet the parents complaining have their kids in Little League or youth soccer (probably soccer) and think nothing of them running around in 90 degree heat.  Their problem is with their kid being punished, not the actual method.
 
2017-09-13 07:06:39 AM  
Trofy said it was 90-plus degrees when the kids were sent to march outside for about 20 minutes, causing her daughter to feel nauseous with a headache.

Are we talking Fahrenheit?  If so, not a big deal.  I regularly go hiking in 90F weather in humid Maryland.

I would like to assume we aren't talking Celsius, but then again... Arizona.
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2017-09-13 07:07:13 AM  

daphne: It wasn't even 20 mins and once the school found out what happened all children visited the school nurse without incident. Christ what pussy children America has now


Kids are doing the same as they always have.  They're doing as many stupid things now as we have back then.  The difference now is a much more litigious society.  Too many people sue over every little thing, desperately hoping for a windfall to come and save them from having to work.  That's the issue.  This is just the symptom.  Just my humble opinion.
 
2017-09-13 07:07:54 AM  
Well, crap.  Why the hell did it post so small?

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2017-09-13 07:08:27 AM  
The same 90 degree sun the kids run in circles under voluntarily at recess?  Wow. The horror. The horror. Guess I'm a real monster then, I make my kids play outside in the backyard in Florida for hours at a time. They have to do it to earn tv time, after their chores. That's right,  I make them work, too. Call CPS!
 
2017-09-13 07:08:28 AM  
The next Republican candidate for Sheriff?
 
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2017-09-13 07:10:33 AM  
when i was a kid, we did that without sunscreen, hopped up on Kool Aid, and we were glad.
 
2017-09-13 07:11:02 AM  
When I was a kid, we had to walk ten miles to school, uphill. When it was snowing. And 110 degrees. Celsius.

For recess, we didn't have a playground or a ball field or a fancy jungle gym or swings.  We milked rattlesnakes.

And for lunch, we ate rocks, with cactus on the side. With rattlesnake milk.

Kids these days...
 
2017-09-13 07:11:04 AM  

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Arizona, so low humidity, and that puts them in Category A, even adding 5 degrees as recommended for being in bright midday sun.  That's 25 to 30 minutes activity before a 5 to 10 minute break.  This was 20 minutes or less.  So sounds like it was perfectly safe to me.
 
2017-09-13 07:11:57 AM  

Cpl.D: daphne: It wasn't even 20 mins and once the school found out what happened all children visited the school nurse without incident. Christ what pussy children America has now

Kids are doing the same as they always have.  They're doing as many stupid things now as we have back then.  The difference now is a much more litigious society.  Too many people sue over every little thing, desperately hoping for a windfall to come and save them from having to work.  That's the issue.  This is just the symptom.  Just my humble opinion.


Oh it's definitely a factor
 
2017-09-13 07:16:32 AM  

daphne: dittybopper: ElizaDoolittle: You approve of 2nd graders -8yos -being made to march in circles in 90-degree-plus weather?

For just 20 minutes?  Absolutely.  For hours?  No.

This sounds like a creative punishment that causes *ZERO* harm to the kids.  It's not the farkin Bataan Death March.

It wasn't even 20 mins and once the school found out what happened all children visited the school nurse without incident. Christ what pussy childrenparents America has now


/ftfy
 
2017-09-13 07:19:23 AM  
daphne:   The punishment does seem extreme, perhaps it was, but damnit, if the worst Bethany got was a tummy ache and had to lie down, nut up mom, damn.  Sick of mollycoddling kids.  And before you even start that's why I don't have any, as it were

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2017-09-13 07:20:57 AM  

Parthenogenetic: When I was a kid, we had to walk ten miles to school, uphill. When it was snowing. And 110 degrees. Celsius.

For recess, we didn't have a playground or a ball field or a fancy jungle gym or swings.  We milked rattlesnakes.

And for lunch, we ate rocks, with cactus on the side. With rattlesnake milk.

Kids these days...


AND WE DAMN LIKED IT, AMIRITE?
 
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