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(Mozilla)   I said "Don't look at the comments, Coral," only to find that Mozilla and the Washington Post were trying to reinvent them   ( blog.mozilla.org) divider line
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2017-09-13 06:48:22 AM  
I said "Don't look at the comments, Coral Ethel," only to find that Mozilla and the Washington Post were trying to reinvent them

FTFY Subby.

Ray Stevens The Streak Music Video with original song
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2017-09-13 07:23:07 AM  
Talk is developed by The Coral Project
 
2017-09-13 08:13:16 AM  
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2017-09-13 09:01:26 AM  
Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.
 
2017-09-13 09:22:00 AM  

Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.


So they're going into Reddit mode?

Yeah, that'll be fun to watch.
 
2017-09-13 09:22:33 AM  
But hey, staff get badges!  Badges I say, badges.

This is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Minnow. At some point we all need to be honest and recognize the intertubes for what they really are, and it's not a net positive.
 
2017-09-13 09:23:20 AM  

Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.


It's a lot like wine tasting really.

You have to judge the 'color' of the posters, to determine the racial angle of the post.  You need the 'bouquet'; too much bullshiat will drive off all but the most dedicated of wonks, while not enough will fail to attract the required attention.  'Body' is important; while a hefty amount of text is eagerly consumed by the novice poster, mistaking volume for sophistication, it will quickly drive the better sort away from your comments page if they're asked to read too much.  Look at the success of Twitter; light, calorie-free comments are the rage these days.  'Mouth feel' is crucial.  Your readers will quickly be able to recognized, cheap, mass-produced talking points from factories like Fox and Brietbart; aim for playful and sophisticated blends (the header says HuffPost, but the body scerams Reason... delightful!)  And don't forget the 'legs'; a comment needs to take its time, to trickle down the page, to attract more and more attention.

And of course, you can't underestimate 'terroir'.  The comments point of origin can speak as much for its quality as any tangible elements of the post.  Of course the Russian comments are still the gold standard here.  Romania, and Macedonian troll farms are improving, but still just an imitation of genuine FSB social media manipulation.  And Chinese-click farmed spam?  Down the sink with that favorited!!
 
2017-09-13 09:24:37 AM  

Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.


"Invite" should be "upvote" ... Autocorrect...
 
2017-09-13 09:27:20 AM  

Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?

The best comments talk about your mom in the first sentence.
 
2017-09-13 09:32:36 AM  

jpo2269: But hey, staff get badges!  Badges I say, badges.


They don't need no stinkin' badges.
 
2017-09-13 09:39:54 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: jpo2269: But hey, staff get badges!  Badges I say, badges.

They don't need no stinkin' badges.


Speak for yourself, everyone needs stinking badges.
 
2017-09-13 09:46:24 AM  
Seems like the problem is that you invite people to post their opinions and discuss topics, then get upset when they post comments you don't like and start have arguments with each other.
Sounds like what they really wanted was something that gave the appearance of public support for their articles. You could've just paid bloggers for that.
 
2017-09-13 10:07:11 AM  

way south: Seems like the problem is that you invite people to post their opinions and discuss topics, then get upset when they post comments you don't like and start have arguments with each other.
Sounds like what they really wanted was something that gave the appearance of public support for their articles. You could've just paid bloggers for that.


Paid? With what money? They can't afford to edit, but you think they can afford people to like them?
 
2017-09-13 10:21:04 AM  

Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first? How are they going to determine "best"? User invite? Moderators?


all the best comments start with "Boobies"
 
2017-09-13 10:26:20 AM  

Quantumbunny: way south: Seems like the problem is that you invite people to post their opinions and discuss topics, then get upset when they post comments you don't like and start have arguments with each other.
Sounds like what they really wanted was something that gave the appearance of public support for their articles. You could've just paid bloggers for that.

Paid? With what money? They can't afford to edit, but you think they can afford people to like them?


 Why not?  They obviously don't spend any money on talented reporting.
I'm sure there's some foreign ad agency that can create a fake audience of nodding heads for cheap.
 
2017-09-13 10:44:40 AM  

Kurohone: Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.

It's a lot like wine tasting really.

You have to judge the 'color' of the posters, to determine the racial angle of the post.  You need the 'bouquet'; too much bullshiat will drive off all but the most dedicated of wonks, while not enough will fail to attract the required attention.  'Body' is important; while a hefty amount of text is eagerly consumed by the novice poster, mistaking volume for sophistication, it will quickly drive the better sort away from your comments page if they're asked to read too much.  Look at the success of Twitter; light, calorie-free comments are the rage these days.  'Mouth feel' is crucial.  Your readers will quickly be able to recognized, cheap, mass-produced talking points from factories like Fox and Brietbart; aim for playful and sophisticated blends (the header says HuffPost, but the body scerams Reason... delightful!)  And don't forget the 'legs'; a comment needs to take its time, to trickle down the page, to attract more and more attention.

And of course, you can't underestimate 'terroir'.  The comments point of origin can speak as much for its quality as any tangible elements of the post.  Of course the Russian comments are still the gold standard here.  Romania, and Macedonian troll farms are improving, but still just an imitation of genuine FSB social media manipulation.  And Chinese-click farmed spam?  Down the sink with that favorited!!


That made too much sense.
 
2017-09-13 11:36:13 AM  

jpo2269: But hey, staff get badges!  Badges I say, badges.

This is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Minnow. At some point we all need to be honest and recognize the intertubes for what they really are, and it's not a net positive.


Except instead of the SS Minnow, it's now Bezo's personal yaught.
/usenet got it right
//put control at the client/user level
///a certain fark filter is straight from the lingo used to control user level 'ignore'
/V I remember one troll (on a 3d graphics newsgroup) had the supreme achievement of a "thunder[$cheapwine]".  Any thread he touched needed to be killed.  That level of dedication was rare.
 
2017-09-13 11:52:01 AM  

Kurohone: Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.

It's a lot like wine tasting really.

You have to judge the 'color' of the posters, to determine the racial angle of the post.  You need the 'bouquet'; too much bullshiat will drive off all but the most dedicated of wonks, while not enough will fail to attract the required attention.  'Body' is important; while a hefty amount of text is eagerly consumed by the novice poster, mistaking volume for sophistication, it will quickly drive the better sort away from your comments page if they're asked to read too much.  Look at the success of Twitter; light, calorie-free comments are the rage these days.  'Mouth feel' is crucial.  Your readers will quickly be able to recognized, cheap, mass-produced talking points from factories like Fox and Brietbart; aim for playful and sophisticated blends (the header says HuffPost, but the body scerams Reason... delightful!)  And don't forget the 'legs'; a comment needs to take its time, to trickle down the page, to attract more and more attention.

And of course, you can't underestimate 'terroir'.  The comments point of origin can speak as much for its quality as any tangible elements of the post.  Of course the Russian comments are still the gold standard here.  Romania, and Macedonian troll farms are improving, but still just an imitation of genuine FSB social media manipulation.  And Chinese-click farmed spam?  Down the sink with that favorited!!


Sounds like favorited! to me.

/yes, that was intentional
 
2017-09-13 11:58:44 AM  

Smoking GNU: Ambitwistor: Show the best comments first?  How are they going to determine "best"?  User invite?  Moderators?

Facebook changed their algorithm to show the comments with the most replies first (I think it used to be the most likes), and now the top comments are all trolls.

So they're going into Reddit mode?

Yeah, that'll be fun to watch.


Reddit's design is eye tearingly ugly, but I see less troll comments than I do here on Fark. And Fark's Ignore system is broke, because if someone on your list has their comments quoted/nested more than once, then you'll see it.
 
2017-09-13 12:40:50 PM  
I said "Don't look at the comments, Coral,"

I don't understand this reference. I understand the reference to The Walking Dead but I've literally never seen anyone make this reference in relation to looking at comments before. Shouldn't it have been related to this instead:

img.fark.netView Full Size
 
2017-09-13 12:57:56 PM  
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2017-09-13 01:08:30 PM  

skinink: Reddit's design is eye tearingly ugly


I use Reddit almost entirely via an RSS reader (feedly).

I set image based subreddits to show a preview.

img.fark.netView Full Size


And text focused subreddits as a list.

img.fark.netView Full Size


// the only problem is that reddit throttles their RSS feeds and feedly focuses only on popular (on feedly) subreddits.

Sso an subreddit that's not popular on feedly will be stale (so I throw those into Liferea).
 
2017-09-13 01:22:13 PM  

jpo2269: But hey, staff get badges!  Badges I say, badges.

This is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the SS Minnow. At some point we all need to be honest and recognize the intertubes for what they really are, and it's not a net positive.


The badges are going to be a money-grab.  They will soon start giving out badges to people with high-rated comments, badges for special events, etc.  Then they will charge money so you can simply 'buy' a badge instead of earning it.  Increase their cash flow.

From Anon-DIT (I think it was Ishkur that posted this, but I honestly don't remember and didn't grab the users name when I put it in my profile and Anon-DIT has been gone for a few months now):

technology has changed the world. we have a constant stream of direct and instant communications coming from all over the world right at our fingers. yes, that means where friends in 1940 may have had to drive or walk miles just to say hi before, now they can leave a "sup biatch" in your pocket. how did we get along without the tech before? we think. as easily as it was farking difficult. more problems have been solved than have been created by tech, and some of them youre just going to have to take on the chin.
 
2017-09-13 02:08:37 PM  
So... another disqus clone, basically?
 
2017-09-13 03:13:36 PM  
I have this sneaky feeling that trolls actually increase clicks, ergo news sites see them as a revenue positive.
 
2017-09-13 03:30:41 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So... another disqus clone, basically?


I'm hoping "you own your own data" means "separate identities per site". If I use my Disqus ID to post a thoughtful analysis of gender roles and the repression of straight males on a Breitbart discussion, maybe I don't want everybody being able to click through and see all my activity on DeepYiff.org.
 
2017-09-13 05:52:42 PM  

lordargent: skinink: Reddit's design is eye tearingly ugly

I use Reddit almost entirely via an RSS reader (feedly).

I set image based subreddits to show a preview.

[img.fark.net image 850x776]

And text focused subreddits as a list.

[img.fark.net image 850x528]

// the only problem is that reddit throttles their RSS feeds and feedly focuses only on popular (on feedly) subreddits.

Sso an subreddit that's not popular on feedly will be stale (so I throw those into Liferea).


There seems to be an error with that science feed, it's mostly crap.
 
2017-09-13 06:01:51 PM  

jfarkinB: Jim_Callahan: So... another disqus clone, basically?

I'm hoping "you own your own data" means "separate identities per site". If I use my Disqus ID to post a thoughtful analysis of gender roles and the repression of straight males on a Breitbart discussion, maybe I don't want everybody being able to click through and see all my activity on DeepYiff.org.


...

Shift Ctrl N
 
2017-09-13 06:17:59 PM  
winedrinkingman:

It certainly works here!
 
2017-09-13 06:19:23 PM  

winedrinkingman: I have this sneaky feeling that trolls actually increase clicks, ergo news sites see them as a revenue positive.


It certainly.......
 
2017-09-13 07:53:12 PM  
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2017-09-14 12:48:53 AM  

Cndn Bacon: I said "Don't look at the comments, Coral,"

I don't understand this reference. I understand the reference to The Walking Dead but I've literally never seen anyone make this reference in relation to looking at comments before. Shouldn't it have been related to this instead:

[img.fark.net image 390x242]


 The commenting system is named Coral.  Subby mixed the memes.
 
2017-09-14 01:07:50 AM  
All I ask is that it's simple and easy for the users, ie me. You can use whatever tech you want, whatever code, proprietary designs, standard templates, I don't care. None of that stuff has anything to do with me. But the more hoops I need to jump through to read anything or post anything, the less interest I have. It's always a sad day when a website I regularly post on 'improves' things and all they really do is create busy work.
 
2017-09-14 01:18:37 PM  

Birnone: It's always a sad day when a website I regularly post on 'improves' things and all they really do is create busy work.


You'll get over it.
 
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