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(The Atlantic)   Trump well on his way to taking the office of the presidency down with him because of his trampling the norms of presidential behavior   ( theatlantic.com) divider line
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2017-09-13 12:36:02 AM  
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2017-09-13 12:39:16 AM  
Probably, yes.

He's also destroying politics in general. It'll be a cavalcade of Kid Rocks from here on out. Perfect dunces with built-in fan bases. We're done for.
 
2017-09-13 12:54:11 AM  
In order to keep up with the Trump presiduncey I think we should drop playing "Hail to the Chief" and substitute with either Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" or go with "Yakity Sax"
 
2017-09-13 01:02:45 AM  
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2017-09-13 01:13:33 AM  

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2017-09-13 01:30:26 AM  
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2017-09-13 01:32:08 AM  

Driver: Peter Gabriel's "Big Time"


I lost my virginity to that song playing on MTV.

/csb
 
2017-09-13 01:34:20 AM  
gee, ya mean putting an amoral sociopathic rapist in charge of the country MIGHT have some negative long term consequences to the office of President?

well go figure.  I mean, like - who knew THAT might happen!?

/sarcasm
 
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2017-09-13 01:59:41 AM  
Christ, that was a depressing read.

Totally accurate, but depressing.

I really wish Obama would fire up his time machine and do something about this already.
 
2017-09-13 02:19:24 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Probably, yes.

He's also destroying politics in general. It'll be a cavalcade of Kid Rocks from here on out. Perfect dunces with built-in fan bases. We're done for.


That was the plan. A generation or two ago ago, we beat the authoritarians with our memes: blue jeans and rock-and-roll that was so desirable that bone records - literally, bootleg pressings of American vinyl on Soviet X-ray film - was a real thing.

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Today, a generation or two after samizdat and bone records, the survivors of the former regime regrouped, returned, and beat us at our own game: they used our weapons of mass distraction against us.

Tthe algorithms at Failbook and Twatter didn't know or care that pizzagate was a thing. They knew only that a million bots liked certain words, and a million more human users would keep clicking and reading and reposting and +1ing and retweeting and liking and remaining engaged with the screen that was displaying more ads - well, the algorithms had been A/B tested to maximize engagement, and the fact that the FSB had exploited the algos and influenced the outcome of a Presidential election (wherein the candidate, too stupid to be an agent, was at least Russian asset, and many of his campaign advisors were Russian agents), well, the algos had no way to account for that, and even if they had, well, that was just the cost of doing business in the age of surveillance capitalism. The algos don't know, the devs don't care, and the product managers' bonses depended on it. So what if it meant that chemtrails, the flat earth, and pizzagate became a thing?

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Stalin once said "When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use." And although his ideology and his empire died before ours, he wasn't entirely wrong. His metaphorical grandchildren beat us the same way we beat his metahporical sons.
 
2017-09-13 02:54:17 AM  

Twilight Farkle: the age of surveillance capitalism


Be advised, I am stealing this.  In so far as Prof. Dr. Twilight Farkle is unknown to SSRN, I will use it without attribution, or until served with process in the matter of Farkle v 4ts.

His metaphorical grandchildren beat us the same way we beat his metahporical sons.

A fine turn of phrase, but histrionic.  It's a skirmish in a long fight.
 
2017-09-13 03:05:30 AM  
Douches gonna douche.
 
2017-09-13 03:05:51 AM  
 He'll take down the office since it can't support his giant fat ass.
 
2017-09-13 03:09:08 AM  
There are going to be a lot of things that POTUS used to be able to do rarely and with great discretion, that will now have the doors legally slammed shut as a result of Hair Twitler.

Future Presidents will find themselves hamstrung at critical junctions because of this.

/LOL but her emails right?
 
2017-09-13 03:12:52 AM  
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*starts playing that damned Sarah McLachlan song*

Every 10 minutes a flag is molested by a monster. But they don't have to suffer. With your pledge of impeachment, you too can save the dignity of a flag and give hope to others. They're suffering, seething with so much pain... Won't you show them that you care?
 
2017-09-13 03:13:17 AM  
Twilight Farkle: ..
Stalin once said "When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use." And although his ideology and his empire died before ours, he wasn't entirely wrong. His metaphorical grandchildren beat us the same way we beat his metahporical sons.

Bingo. Cold War version 2.0 needs to be drummed until the consequences fully enter into America's thick skull.

-They invaded Ukraine and took back Crimea
-They interfered in Syria
-Russia has been manipulating social media, online forums, and comment sections for over a DECADE plus with their bullshiat
-They hijacked the Republican party and manipulated a US Presidential election
-They are providing North Korea with technology to boost their missile capabilities and bring them into the nuclear age far quicker
-They are providing oil/resources to North Korea, disregarding the UN resolution they voted for

We are either going to fight back against this information war... or US is done. This isn't about Republicans vs. Democrats... Russia is manipulating us through every means possible and turning us against one another.
 
2017-09-13 03:16:45 AM  

Green81: We are either going to fight back against this information war... or US is done


oh we're done.  the russians have figured out that a good 30-ish percent of americans can't do basic math or think beyond 'they took our JERBS' plus they believe whatever  in a bible most of them can't even read.  we can't even have a chat about balancing the budget without some pseudo christian asshat making a budget discussion into a holy war over abortion or gays.

so we're done.  because we're stupid.
 
2017-09-13 03:26:22 AM  

Weaver95: Green81: We are either going to fight back against this information war... or US is done

oh we're done.  the russians have figured out that a good 30-ish percent of americans can't do basic math or think beyond 'they took our JERBS' plus they believe whatever  in a bible most of them can't even read.  we can't even have a chat about balancing the budget without some pseudo christian asshat making a budget discussion into a holy war over abortion or gays.

so we're done.  because we're stupid.


 The bible part isn't because they can't read, it's because they find it easier to have it explained to them by someone else so they don't have to read.
 
2017-09-13 03:27:39 AM  

Green81: Twilight Farkle: ..
Stalin once said "When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use." And although his ideology and his empire died before ours, he wasn't entirely wrong. His metaphorical grandchildren beat us the same way we beat his metahporical sons.

Bingo. Cold War version 2.0 needs to be drummed until the consequences fully enter into America's thick skull.

-They invaded Ukraine and took back Crimea
-They interfered in Syria
-Russia has been manipulating social media, online forums, and comment sections for over a DECADE plus with their bullshiat
-They hijacked the Republican party and manipulated a US Presidential election
-They are providing North Korea with technology to boost their missile capabilities and bring them into the nuclear age far quicker
-They are providing oil/resources to North Korea, disregarding the UN resolution they voted for

We are either going to fight back against this information war... or US is done. This isn't about Republicans vs. Democrats... Russia is manipulating us through every means possible and turning us against one another.


 To be fair, we were against each other before the Russians got involved.  They are just exploiting the dumbest of us for their own profit.
 
2017-09-13 03:29:13 AM  
He will but to the opposite effect, the next dude will be the most serious ceremonial bastard ever.  He'll make Nixon beachcombing in a suit look quaint.  He'll be the fake Santa in the Santa Clause. This business isn't outta control yet
 
2017-09-13 03:29:25 AM  

orangehat: The bible part isn't because they can't read, it's because they find it easier to have it explained to them by someone else so they don't have to read.


historically, christanity has never encouraged the laity to actually read their holy book.  they've always tried to keep interpretation of scripture in the hands of the clergy.  open source christanity is considered heresy by most sects because of that exact reason - control.

its not entirely their fault this country is messed up right now tho.  its a BIG part of it, mind you but its not the only one.
 
2017-09-13 03:34:28 AM  

Weaver95: orangehat: The bible part isn't because they can't read, it's because they find it easier to have it explained to them by someone else so they don't have to read.

historically, christanity has never encouraged the laity to actually read their holy book.  they've always tried to keep interpretation of scripture in the hands of the clergy.  open source christanity is considered heresy by most sects because of that exact reason - control.

its not entirely their fault this country is messed up right now tho.  its a BIG part of it, mind you but its not the only one.


 If they'd bother to read it they'd realize how out of touch the government is with what Jesus said.  But reading is for pussy liberals so here we are.
My fiance is a seminary student and very legalistic and she's been against trump from day one.  She didn't believe he was actually running for president until I told her.  She just thought it was Facebook jackoffery.
 
2017-09-13 04:19:52 AM  
Those people who have been "robustly" defending things have sure let a lot of shiat slide by them in the process.
 
2017-09-13 04:55:44 AM  
This started under the other Republican Presidencies but has been dialed up to eleven under Trump. Now that we have a psychopath President, all the things we expect a President to do and not do but haven't codified because of the expectation that the President would be sane, pro-American, and not an asshole now has to be codified.
 
2017-09-13 05:00:39 AM  
good.  The President has had too much power for a long time.  At the moment, I'll settle for not renewing any part of the Patriot Act.
 
2017-09-13 05:46:01 AM  
Well, he is a major league asshole.
 
2017-09-13 06:18:23 AM  

orangehat: Weaver95: Green81: We are either going to fight back against this information war... or US is done

oh we're done.  the russians have figured out that a good 30-ish percent of americans can't do basic math or think beyond 'they took our JERBS' plus they believe whatever  in a bible most of them can't even read.  we can't even have a chat about balancing the budget without some pseudo christian asshat making a budget discussion into a holy war over abortion or gays.

so we're done.  because we're stupid.

 The bible part isn't because they can't read, it's because they find it easier to have it explained to them by someone else so they don't have to read.


+1 on the "Oh we're done".

This country has been on a slow downward slide to the bottom for a long time. We're just watching the endgame now. We're now and forever a country divided. Not by North or South but by ideology and emotion. The inmates are running the asylum.

As a wise man once said, "We're 'CTD- circling the drain'."
 
2017-09-13 06:20:34 AM  
Remember when putting Dijon mustard on a hamburger was a constitutional crisis?
 
2017-09-13 06:21:14 AM  
elections have consequences.
The consequence of ours is that the whole world can now see us as we really are.
 
2017-09-13 06:24:56 AM  

Weaver95: historically, christanity has never encouraged the laity to actually read their holy book.  they've always tried to keep interpretation of scripture in the hands of the clergy.


In fairness, that's kind of what parts of the Protestant reformation and English editions of the bible were about.

That is not to say, of course, that Protestant sects don't ignore this.

/Bunch of sects maniacs.
 
2017-09-13 06:49:27 AM  

Jake Havechek: Remember when putting Dijon mustard on a hamburger was a constitutional crisis?


That's nothing. Remember when he used a paper clip?
 
2017-09-13 06:54:29 AM  
Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.
 
2017-09-13 07:08:50 AM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.


You guys wanna tell him or should we?
 
2017-09-13 07:09:44 AM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.


(whispers) "one guy did it twice, non-consecutively"
 
2017-09-13 07:17:43 AM  
I'm still meeting "moderate independents" (i.e. authoritarians)  who are 'tired' of Trump not getting a fair chance.  The bottom of what they consider 'normalcy' has not been reached.  Nor how much further this nation can fall.
 
2017-09-13 07:32:30 AM  

Bobby_and_The_Gorilla: Too Pretty For Prison: Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.

(whispers) "one guy did it twice, non-consecutively"


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Checkmate, libtard.
 
2017-09-13 07:41:26 AM  

Befuddled: This started under the other Republican Presidencies but has been dialed up to eleven under Trump. Now that we have a psychopath President, all the things we expect a President to do and not do but haven't codified because of the expectation that the President would be sane, pro-American, and not an asshole now has to be codified. It's still okay when my guy does it.


Fixed for you.

LBJ was a well-documented asshole. He got the Civil Rights Act and Medicare through Congress. Pay no attention to that unpleasantness in Vietnam.

You know what you get when the president's -not- an asshole? You get people like Carter, easily-rolled and despised by right and left alike. Nowadays everybody wants to be Carter's best bud, but when power was on the line progressives were all set to throw Carter under the bus and pull colossal asshole Ted Kennedy out of a bottle of Glenfiddich as their 1980 candidate, because Camelot or some such happy horseshiat.
 
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2017-09-13 08:21:00 AM  

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*starts playing that damned Sarah McLachlan song*

Every 10 minutes a flag is molested by a monster. But they don't have to suffer. With your pledge of impeachment, you too can save the dignity of a flag and give hope to others. They're suffering, seething with so much pain... Won't you show them that you care?


It's OK.  Note that the flag has a gold fringe.

Others, more educated than I in the laws of the sea, can take it from here.
 
2017-09-13 08:23:16 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Probably, yes.

He's also destroying politics in general. It'll be a cavalcade of Kid Rocks from here on out. Perfect dunces with built-in fan bases. We're done for.


In a state where Trump is more popular than the average across country, Kid Rock is running 8 points behind Stabenow. Keep in mind that the difference between Trump and Clinton was often within the margin of error. Eight points is a lot for a person who already has more name recognition than the incumbent.
 
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2017-09-13 08:43:36 AM  

Too Pretty For Prison: Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.


Speaking of getting your ducks in a non-consecutive row...
 
2017-09-13 09:08:30 AM  

Twilight Farkle: That was the plan. A generation or two ago ago, we beat the authoritarians with our memes.


1. This is a brilliant observation.

darch: We're now and forever a country divided. Not by North or South but by ideology and emotion.


2. In light of the above, I wonder if it's better to look at the rural vs urban divide as authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian. I say this because my roommate (raised in small-town KY) seems to fall back on authoritarianism because of his upbringing whereas I (raised in big-city AB) fall back on rampant liberalism/libertarianism. We're equally caring of people but our default positions are wildly different.
 
2017-09-13 09:13:36 AM  

Bobby_and_The_Gorilla: Too Pretty For Prison: Oh dammitsomuch.  The article starts off with "...his 43 predecessors...".  How can I continue reading?  He's the 45th president.  If you're going to write an article about how stupid someone is, you've got to get your ducks in a row first.

(whispers) "one guy did it twice, non-consecutively"


Dang. I would not have caught that. European education doesn't dwell overlong on the unfortunate fracas with the colonies.

I suppose there have been 44 predecessors of the Office of the President, but only 43 predecessors of the Person of the President...? Not really a useful distinction though.
 
2017-09-13 09:22:46 AM  

Aidan: Twilight Farkle: That was the plan. A generation or two ago ago, we beat the authoritarians with our memes.

1. This is a brilliant observation.

darch: We're now and forever a country divided. Not by North or South but by ideology and emotion.

2. In light of the above, I wonder if it's better to look at the rural vs urban divide as authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian. I say this because my roommate (raised in small-town KY) seems to fall back on authoritarianism because of his upbringing whereas I (raised in big-city AB) fall back on rampant liberalism/libertarianism. We're equally caring of people but our default positions are wildly different.


All of this.

And, while authoritarians might internally actually care about people, their actions sure don't.
 
2017-09-13 09:30:36 AM  
Good article.

The best part of it is that it shows how Trump's terribleness has led other institutions to take actions that are leading them down a not so great path themselves, in particular flaunting their own norms in ways that might do lasting institutional damage.

In a slightly connected vein, I see something similar in the way that the general left has reacted to Trump. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that there is large element on the left that now acts as if Obama and Hillary were perfect, any criticism of either is a defense of Trump, and that everything the Trump administration does is the second coming of Hitler.

I have three big worries about this.

First, it gives a pass to Democratic politicians who have their own very real defects that have played a part in leading to a political moment where a Trump is possible. And, no, I'm not saying its the Democrats' fault. It's the fault of the GOP and the Trump voters. However, the Democrats have assisted in creating a political, economic, and social moment where Trump happened.

Second, while we on the left like to claim we are committed to facts, increasingly that doesn't seem true. If someone points out that a Trump administration action is a continuation of past administrations' policies or really not what is being portrayed in an alarmist article, one is attacked as an apologist for Trump even if one has the facts on one's side.

Third, this constant, "Oh my god this action is the worst!" is going to tire out the public such that resistance will crumble and Trump will be normalized. It's already happening.

Basically, the crisis of Trump is leading to much of the left heading for a pretty bad place of group think and rejection of basic facts and progressive principles in the name of "resistance." We need to be careful he doesn't drag us down into the mud with him.
 
2017-09-13 09:57:42 AM  
The article forgot to mention the fact that all Republicans are helping with his destruction of the US because they hate America.
 
2017-09-13 10:28:00 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: The article forgot to mention the fact that all Republicans are helping with his destruction of the US because they hate America.


Come now, they don't hate America. Have you seen the size of some of those flags on their monster trucks while they're barreling down the highway at 95 mph?

They just hate Americans.
 
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