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2017-09-12 03:36:17 AM  
Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?
 
2017-09-12 03:57:46 AM  

2chinz: Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?


I decided last year that at the 15yr anniversary, it was time to stop fetishizing the 9/11 attack. I've spent far too much of my life now thinking about that event, and I could never forget, but it's time to move forward.
 
2017-09-12 03:59:13 AM  
September 11.

A day that history will mark... but the sands of time tend to eat away at the immediacy of our memories as we become more preoccupied with the challenges of the present. We never forget, but we tend to remember less often as well.
A whole generation has been born and raised since that fateful moment 16 years ago. They will be old enough to vote in the next presidential election as they stare down new fears and anxieties. That is how time works. We need to teach our history, but not be imprisoned by it.

I have so many dates seared in my mind... December 7 (1941)... June 6 (1944)... November 22 (1963)... April 4 (1968)... August 9 (1974) - just to name a few. They were and are the real backdrop for my time, and those who were on life's journey with me. I want to tell my grandchildren about what they meant. But like me reading about July 4 (1776) or April 15 (1865), they will note them and maybe remember them, but not feel them as I do.

We are on this earth but a short time. Our lives are marked with memories happy and sad, personal, communal, national, and global. Time strides on. The Earth spins. We pause, to think about the past... and the future.

-Dan Rather, 9/11/2017
 
2017-09-12 05:31:33 AM  

2chinz: Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?


No, you're not.
 
2017-09-12 06:24:30 AM  
911 coverage what?
 
2017-09-12 06:28:19 AM  
Has to? Probably not.

I just elect to.
 
2017-09-12 07:29:55 AM  
Nope.
 
2017-09-12 07:43:45 AM  
I have not watched TV news in over a decade and I'm not starting any time soon.
 
2017-09-12 07:46:30 AM  
You are not alone.  Too many bad memories from that day.
 
2017-09-12 07:54:27 AM  
My way of remembering today was to keep company with and read the stories of the experiences of people here. It was something I was grateful to be able to do. that is all.
 
2017-09-12 08:05:38 AM  
I greived on 2002-09-11.

The remembrances in 2003 seemed more than I needed.  Every year after that was unnecessarily overdone, to my mind.  Then again, I didn't lose anyone on 9/11, and it never directly impacted me.

I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, subby, but that's how I relate to the memorials.
 
2017-09-12 08:06:29 AM  

2chinz: Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?


I don't feel that way.

More people died on 9/11 than died in the Pearl Harbor attack, and they were almost all innocent civilians instead mostly military.  It was barbarity in the name of religion, a sick, twisted version of Islam.  I think such barbarity should be widely shown,  lest we forget how we got to where we are now (and many do seem to forget that).
 
2017-09-12 08:07:26 AM  
Citizen, you must

NEVAR FORGET!!!1!

and therefore must be subject to the most hoorible of horrors committed by the nasty moose lambs year after year after year after year

UNTILS SUCH TIME AS JESUS RETURNS
and reclaims USA USA USA for his very own
!!!


!!!!11!!
 
2017-09-12 08:11:30 AM  
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2017-09-12 08:14:14 AM  
I started tuning it out once it became clear that it was being used to wage an endless war -- both on people overseas, and on our own people at home.
 
2017-09-12 08:22:21 AM  
It was a terrorist attack.  They happen.  Odd that we don't commemorate the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City with the same zeal...
 
2017-09-12 08:26:50 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: It was a terrorist attack.  They happen.  Odd that we don't commemorate the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City with the same zeal...


well, that's because we don't need to use anger derived from that event to wage unending war and deprive our own citizens of their rights
 
2017-09-12 08:29:17 AM  
I don't begrudge the people who were injured, or who lost loved ones, either in the attacks or the aftermath. Recovery can take years if it ever comes, and so they get all the time they need, no questions asked, no hard feelings.

But to everyone else, to the traumatized-by-proxy, enough is enough. It was enough a very long time ago, and it only gets more gratuitous with every passing year. The people seeking to retraumatize everyone for their own personal or political gain are committing a very special kind of abuse of their own countrymen, and I hope they are held accountable for it one day. But there comes a time when we ourselves have to stand up to it, not because of any kind of responsibility or blame but simply because no one else can. This will end when we no longer put up with it.
 
2017-09-12 08:31:58 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: It was a terrorist attack.  They happen.  Odd that we don't commemorate the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City with the same zeal...


That wasn't performed by "The Other"
 
2017-09-12 08:33:02 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: It was a terrorist attack.  They happen.  Odd that we don't commemorate the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City with the same zeal...


For a few years, we did. It fell by the wayside during the Bush years, but I'm honestly kind of surprised that Obama didn't reinstate it. I wonder if there was something going on behind the scenes that prevented that.
 
2017-09-12 08:38:00 AM  
I'm still trying to get over suffering through "God Bless America" during the 7th inning stretch.

It's been a trying time for everyone, is what I'm saying.
 
2017-09-12 08:38:59 AM  

Millennium: For a few years, we did. It fell by the wayside during the Bush years, but I'm honestly kind of surprised that Obama didn't reinstate it. I wonder if there was something going on behind the scenes that prevented that.


Because who doesn't want to commemorate being attacked by terrorists?  Maybe we could put up a statue of Timothy McVeigh!
 
2017-09-12 08:46:08 AM  

Millennium: I don't begrudge the people who were injured, or who lost loved ones, either in the attacks or the aftermath. Recovery can take years if it ever comes, and so they get all the time they need, no questions asked, no hard feelings.

But to everyone else, to the traumatized-by-proxy, enough is enough. It was enough a very long time ago, and it only gets more gratuitous with every passing year. The people seeking to retraumatize everyone for their own personal or political gain are committing a very special kind of abuse of their own countrymen, and I hope they are held accountable for it one day. But there comes a time when we ourselves have to stand up to it, not because of any kind of responsibility or blame but simply because no one else can. This will end when we no longer put up with it.


Exactly how I feel about it.  I hear "Our Country suffered so much on that day" and I'm left with the choice of either manufacturing some suffering in my soul, or defining suffering as having to face the fact that I won't get to visit the World Trade Center if I go to New York.  Was I horrified by the attack?  Yes.  Was I disgusted by this barbarous act of terror.  Yes.  Did I, TommyDeuce, personally suffer?  No.  As noted by several posters above, this has turned into an annual reminder to hate on Muslims and Liberals, and I want no part in that.
 
2017-09-12 08:46:34 AM  
I mostly avoided tributes and other coverage, but that's because I avoid most media these days. I don't do social media anymore so there's none of the obligatory drivel to scroll through, and I mainly get news from NPR, Fark, and occasionally the local paper.

It's a nice, quiet life.
 
2017-09-12 08:48:03 AM  
Missed the coverage. Listened to NPR while driving between appointments. Didn't hear a thing.
Yay!
/oh, wait...there was a segment about first responders.
//then more hurricane stuff
///and a slasher
 
2017-09-12 08:49:57 AM  

TommyDeuce: As noted by several posters above, this has turned into an annual reminder to hate on Muslims and Liberals, and I want no part in that.


Agreed. The overt displays of patriotism (read: nationalism) make me more than a little nauseous as well. It's not nearly as bad as it used to be, but I can't stand it.
 
2017-09-12 08:52:40 AM  
On the one hand it's the single defining news story in my lifetime.  Ask anyone from my parent's generation where they were when JFK was assassinated and they can tell you.  For my generation it's 9/11.  Not only was it a monumental loss of human life, it changed the geopolitical state of the world in so many ways.  It was a big deal.  It still is.

On the other hand, it's been 16 years now.  People who were born on that day can now legally drive.  No need to harp on it.
 
2017-09-12 09:00:52 AM  
I didn't notice any 9/11 tribute coverage yesterday, but to be fair that's probably because there was a hurricane going through the state and most of the coverage was dedicated to that.
 
2017-09-12 09:04:46 AM  
No subby, you're not alone.

I remember that day all too well. We were lucky that my sister and unborn nephew weren't victims on that day (it was a close call). And because the neighborhood I grew up in had a high proportion of folks go into the NYPD and NYFD, I know people who lost people, or who otherwise felt keenly the loss of their uniformed brethren.

But I am tired of the near-religious fervor with which that day continues to be associated with mourning. IMHO, it's morphed into a social thing to be seen doing. My FB feed was full of people posting NEVER FORGET photos and changed avatar overlays. The families that actually lost folks can do that, but for everyone else - enough of that already.

I saw a suggestion - can't remember where - that the best thing to do with 9/11 would be to turn it into a day of service, as a way of reinforcing the communal spirit that took hold of the country in the first days following the attack, and coincidentally again this year in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey. That, I would like - an annual reminder that we do all have the ability to care for others, regardless of color, creed, or religion.
 
2017-09-12 09:08:09 AM  

2chinz: Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?


I stopped paying attention after the 5 years anniversary.

Have a moment of silence and get on with the day. Anything more is giving those farkers that dreamed it up exactly what they want...
 
2017-09-12 09:08:32 AM  
I had enough of it last night.  I can understand the History Channel running 9/11 material.  For once, they were doing what they are supposed to do.  And I understand public officials making speeches, etc.  But I reached the breaking point last night when I turned on the baseball game and the announcers just wouldn't shut up about it.  This was a local Pittsburgh broadcast of a game from Milwaukee.   I turned this on to get away from the 9/11 coverage, and all I got was endless ham-fisted talk about "what's really important" and "the events of that horrific day".  Sure, showing the color guard and national anthem was proper on this day, but after the game starts, let it go.
 
2017-09-12 09:11:07 AM  

Lydia_C: But I am tired of the near-religious fervor with which that day continues to be associated with mourning. IMHO, it's morphed into a social thing to be seen doing. My FB feed was full of people posting NEVER FORGET photos and changed avatar overlays. The families that actually lost folks can do that, but for everyone else - enough of that already.


I've got a facebook friend who inserts himself into pretty much everything like this.  It's annoying, but it's ingrained into his personality.  Fortunately, I've got my account pretty well tuned to filter out a lot of the noise like this, as I have blocked seemingly endless political sites, etc. that people feel the need to share on days like this.
 
2017-09-12 09:12:38 AM  

Lydia_C: I saw a suggestion - can't remember where - that the best thing to do with 9/11 would be to turn it into a day of service, as a way of reinforcing the communal spirit that took hold of the country in the first days following the attack, and coincidentally again this year in the aftermath of Hurricane Harvey. That, I would like - an annual reminder that we do all have the ability to care for others, regardless of color, creed, or religion.


Yeah, but if we start doing that, we may all look at each other and say "gee, we should just be like this all the time".  And where Donald Trump and the power elite be then?
 
2017-09-12 09:20:36 AM  
I have 2 friends that have birthdays on September 11th.  One refuses to celebrate his birthday ever again -- says it just doesn't seem right to have a party on that day anymore.   That makes me incredibly sad for them to have a date overshadowed by that horrible act of violence.

There are adults today that were too young to remember and/or understand 9/11 at the time.

My personal opinion is that coverage should be toned down to a simple footnote on the news -- like "x years ago today this happened" and then let those that wish to know more google it.   There's nothing wrong with a parade, a tribute, a festival, or some other honorific on the date -- or even a History Channel special.   I think it's in poor taste to replay video of the towers being destroyed as everyday news coverage, though.

We should never forget, but we don't have to make a spectacle of it every anniversary.  I'd like my friends and all future children born on 9/11 to see their birthday as something other than a day of historical anger, death, and sorrow.
 
2017-09-12 09:26:38 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Odd that we don't commemorate the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City with the same zeal...


We do.

Ryder has a sale every April 19th.
 
2017-09-12 09:28:07 AM  

KingRamze: I have 2 friends that have birthdays on September 11th.  One refuses to celebrate his birthday ever again -- says it just doesn't seem right to have a party on that day anymore.   That makes me incredibly sad for them to have a date overshadowed by that horrible act of violence.

There are adults today that were too young to remember and/or understand 9/11 at the time.

My personal opinion is that coverage should be toned down to a simple footnote on the news -- like "x years ago today this happened" and then let those that wish to know more google it.   There's nothing wrong with a parade, a tribute, a festival, or some other honorific on the date -- or even a History Channel special.   I think it's in poor taste to replay video of the towers being destroyed as everyday news coverage, though.

We should never forget, but we don't have to make a spectacle of it every anniversary.  I'd like my friends and all future children born on 9/11 to see their birthday as something other than a day of historical anger, death, and sorrow.


That will eventually happen.... I mean, I got married 10+ years ago on December 7th..... I am sure that was seen as a faux pas until at least the 80s.   I think it (getting past "sad dates") is happening at faster rates now.
 
2017-09-12 09:41:06 AM  
I think the media just likes to hear themselves talk. Instead of saying "Sorry, that's all we know, we'll let you know more as soon as we do", they just start rambling incoherently.

Yesterday Irma came through Atlanta. Listening to the media you'd think Sherman was back. Yes, it was windy, and some trees fell over like they fall over in just about every storm we have. Yes, they took out power lines and some even (gasp) fell on houses.

But I drove to work today and the biggest storm debris I saw were some leaves on the road.

Keep calm and carry on has turned into PANIC! PANIC! YOU AREN'T PANiC'D ENOUGH! NEED TO PANIC SOME MORE!
 
2017-09-12 09:41:44 AM  

dittybopper: 2chinz: Just saw a link to audio from a NY station on the morning of 9/11. I couldn't listen to/watch the stuff then and can't now. It's like someone's been mauled by a wild animal and the world cries, "Look! Look how bad that is! Look how awful? Can't you just feel the flesh tearing from his bones?" I get (sort of) that people want to pay tribute, but we don't pay tribute to veterans by showing video of people getting blown up on veterans day or memorial day; we just have solemn ceremonies and sometimes celebrations of our might.

Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?

I don't feel that way.

More people died on 9/11 than died in the Pearl Harbor attack, and they were almost all innocent civilians instead mostly military.  It was barbarity in the name of religion, a sick, twisted version of Islam.  I think such barbarity should be widely shown,  lest we forget how we got to where we are now (and many do seem to forget that).


I don't need to see a picture or video of a memorable event in my life to remember it. YMMV.
 
2017-09-12 09:46:54 AM  
the annual reminder that we surrendered.
 
2017-09-12 09:55:21 AM  

2chinz: Anyway - am I the only one who feels this way?


No, you aren't.

Between what I saw that day and during the ensuing recovery, it's the last thing I need. In fact, what I really need is a way to forget what I've seen as senility hasn't kicked in yet.
 
2017-09-12 09:55:40 AM  
To me, the constant "Never forget!!!!!!1"  comes across as "Don't you dare let those wounds heal!  You must continue to exist in a single moment of suffering forever!" (because people who are suffering are easy to manipulate - that's why so many religions focus on proselytizing the downtrodden)

Also:

2,996 people lost their lives on 9/11.  Yes, that was tragic.  I didn't lose anybody, but I know people who did, and that sucks.

15,078 died by gun violence in 2016.  That, to me, seems even more tragic.

Where is the national day of mourning for them?
 
2017-09-12 09:57:26 AM  

PlaidJaguar: To me, the constant "Never forget!!!!!!1"  comes across as "Don't you dare let those wounds heal!  You must continue to exist in a single moment of suffering forever!" (because people who are suffering are easy to manipulate - that's why so many religions focus on proselytizing the downtrodden)

Also:

2,996 people lost their lives on 9/11.  Yes, that was tragic.  I didn't lose anybody, but I know people who did, and that sucks.

15,078 died by gun violence in 2016.  That, to me, seems even more tragic.

Where is the national day of mourning for them?


Mourn? the NRA (and therefore much of our government) would prefer we celebrate them as martyrs for FREEDOM.
 
2017-09-12 09:57:45 AM  

Wave Of Anal Fury: I started tuning it out once it became clear that it was being used to wage an endless war -- both on people overseas, and on our own people at home.


Yeah, I lost sympathy when the "united we stand" crap started up. No, I'm not gonna goosestep with anything you say just because of a terrorist act.

I consider 9/11 fetishism sort of like like support of Israel by evangelicals--when people who normally hate New Yorkers and Jews start acting like they suddenly care, deeply, about them, I am suspicious.
 
2017-09-12 09:58:50 AM  
Knock, knock
Who's there?
9/11.
9/11 who?
You said you'd never forget.

/ yeah over it.
// patriot act and never ending war will do that
/// you used to be cool USA.
 
2017-09-12 10:11:57 AM  
I realize taking the time to remember is very good therapy for some of those who have suffered. Unfortunately, it all comes off as a big jingoist wankfest to me.
 
2017-09-12 10:29:14 AM  
Don't watch a bit of it, I suspect it's all propaganda now.
 
2017-09-12 10:56:11 AM  
American History was forever changed on that day. Perhaps you don't need to once again watch the video of people leaping to their death from the towers, or listen to the recordings of the first responders that day. That's your choice. But a mere 17 years after the worst terrorist attack on American soil to hear so many people to say "get over it" makes me concerned for the future of our country.

I remember these victims were civilians, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters. The first responders who gave their life to help others. the passengers on flight 93 who crashed the plane to save others. The workers at the Pentagon that lost their lives. It means something to me.
 
2017-09-12 10:59:22 AM  

andrewagill: I greived on 2002-09-11.

The remembrances in 2003 seemed more than I needed.  Every year after that was unnecessarily overdone, to my mind.  Then again, I didn't lose anyone on 9/11, and it never directly impacted me.

I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, subby, but that's how I relate to the memorials.


Yes, it was a big thing.  A painful thing.  It was compared to the attack on Pearl Harbor.  Maybe it's the "closure" thing that hasn't happened, but I don't get the impression we were reliving Pearl still in 1957 (before my time).  At this point, 9/11 is less a memorial than an industry, and one that is used to manipulate us into increasing already astronomical defense budgets/building border walls/denigrating and disrespecting anybody with brown skin/whatever...
 
2017-09-12 11:07:34 AM  

Danger Mouse: American History was forever changed on that day. Perhaps you don't need to once again watch the video of people leaping to their death from the towers, or listen to the recordings of the first responders that day. That's your choice. But a mere 17 years after the worst terrorist attack on American soil to hear so many people to say "get over it" makes me concerned for the future of our country.

I remember these victims were civilians, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons and daughters. The first responders who gave their life to help others. the passengers on flight 93 who crashed the plane to save others. The workers at the Pentagon that lost their lives. It means something to me.


You know what? When I see certain WWII documentaries, I think of my family members who lived and fought in Europe during the war, and what they must have gone through in wartime and the aftermath. And I can be touched by stories of others' loss. But that doesn't mean that every December 7, I wallow in public grief for the day because if I don't I may be perceived as uncaring or patriotic. September 11 has absolutely been turned into an excuse for a lot of other stuff that frankly doesn't honor the memory of those lost.
 
2017-09-12 11:08:28 AM  

vudukungfu: the annual reminder that we surrendered.


i see it more as a reminder that we should be terrified.  All.  The.  TIME.

As well a a heaping helping of survivors guilt for the vast majority of us who had zero direction connection to anyone directly affected by this event.
 
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