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(Fortune)   How James Dyson created a $3 billion vacuum empire, and how Subby had an old headline pun that was just collecting dust   ( fortune.com) divider line
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2017-09-12 05:23:12 AM  
What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat.  The man is a real jackass.  The reason I will never buy a Dyson is that after he spent millions banging on about it being British design and build, and wrapping himself in the Uniin flag, he did this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2282809.stm

And instead of paying them their redundancy in cash, he paid them with Dyson vacuum cleaners valued at full  RRP, which is pretty hard to use to pay the bills or feed your family.

I wouldn't have a Dyson if you gave it to me.

He's been chucking his toys out of his pram for a while now because the EU banned vacuum cleaners that use too much power.  A number of years ago, there was a bit of a vacuum cleaner power war, believe it or not.  It was all about how much motor power it had, the more kilowatts it consumed, the better - or so they claimed and marketed.  In fact, they were no better at cleaning at all.  So the EU passed legislation banning over motored vacuums after it was calculated that enough energy was been wasted by these vacuums every year to power every house in Belgium.  New vacuums in the EU use much less power but clean more efficiently.  I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame in picking up stuff.

The man is an absolutely twunt IMHO.
 
2017-09-12 06:21:54 AM  
 Counterpoint: I bought a Dyson for the first time two weeks ago. It was ridiculously expensive, but my God the results were phenomenal. I really regret not buying one many years ago
 
2017-09-12 07:20:21 AM  
Hate to tell you subby, but your headline sucks.
 
2017-09-12 07:32:32 AM  
Is that the one that can suck up a bowling ball?
 
2017-09-12 08:19:28 AM  

Deep Contact: Is that the one that can suck up a bowling ball?


No, that was Racheal down at the corner tavern.
 
2017-09-12 08:41:04 AM  
I'm more concerned with his twin brother, Miles.  He's the one that is going to invent the neural-net processor which will lead to the development of Skynet.
 
2017-09-12 09:36:06 AM  
Pretty much love everything about my Dyson (vacuum) except the price.

Now, a $300 fan is stupid. I don't care if my $20 fan has turbulence or blades.
 
2017-09-12 10:05:03 AM  
Alternately, buy a used Kirby on Craigslist or elsewhere. I found one for free on Craigs that needed a new power cord. Works even better than my parents' Dyson.
 
2017-09-12 10:05:14 AM  
I have a cheap Shark vacuum from Costco. It can suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch.
 
2017-09-12 10:10:04 AM  

ElPresidente: What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat


He's a Trump-sized self-promoting jackarse that sold mediocre prettied-up Hoovers at gold-plated prices.


ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame


So do I. Strongly recommend, and I do not recommend much. Everyone should get one.
 
2017-09-12 10:10:44 AM  

Wellon Dowd: I have a cheap Shark vacuum from Costco. It can suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch.


So THAT'S what happened to my trailer hitch about 10 years ago!  (I was hoping it was a local hooker at the time.)
 
2017-09-12 10:18:26 AM  

ElPresidente: What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat.  The man is a real jackass.  The reason I will never buy a Dyson is that after he spent millions banging on about it being British design and build, and wrapping himself in the Uniin flag, he did this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2282809.stm

And instead of paying them their redundancy in cash, he paid them with Dyson vacuum cleaners valued at full  RRP, which is pretty hard to use to pay the bills or feed your family.

I wouldn't have a Dyson if you gave it to me.

He's been chucking his toys out of his pram for a while now because the EU banned vacuum cleaners that use too much power.  A number of years ago, there was a bit of a vacuum cleaner power war, believe it or not.  It was all about how much motor power it had, the more kilowatts it consumed, the better - or so they claimed and marketed.  In fact, they were no better at cleaning at all.  So the EU passed legislation banning over motored vacuums after it was calculated that enough energy was been wasted by these vacuums every year to power every house in Belgium.  New vacuums in the EU use much less power but clean more efficiently.  I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame in picking up stuff.

The man is an absolutely twunt IMHO.


Show us on the doll where Mr. Dyson touched you.

/I keed
//he really is quite terrible to his employees
///3s
 
2017-09-12 10:21:44 AM  

amfv: Counterpoint: I bought a Dyson for the first time two weeks ago. It was ridiculously expensive, but my God the results were phenomenal. I really regret not buying one many years ago


Dyson's work great when they are new. Once the seals start drying up and the chamber starts getting occluded with fine dust it's a different story. And let's not get started on the clutches. Or the fragile brush assembly. The boneyard at my local vacuum place is stacked 5 deep with Dysons, but no Mieles,Riccars,old Electroluxes, Kirbys etc.
 
2017-09-12 10:29:48 AM  
My Dyson does great on dust/pet fur/etc, but damn if it doesn't just push around the larger stuff that my dog drags in (parts of leaves, pieces of mulch, etc.).  I know they have to get low to the ground to create more suction, but it is frustrating.  Or perhaps I'm an idiot and there is a setting that can be adjusted.  Either or.
 
2017-09-12 10:37:15 AM  
My 10 year-old, $130 Hoover Windtunnel vac still works way better than the $450 Dyson DC50 I inherited from my mother.  The Hoover has a larger chamber, so I have to empty it less often, the Hoover has an automatic retracting cord so I don't have to wrap the sucker up when I'm done vacuuming, and the Dyson came with a number of attachments that don't have any way of being stored on the vac itself, so they end up in a drawer somewhere instead of with the vac.  Not to mention that if I want to detach the hose on the Dyson for harder to reach spots, it's extremely unwieldy as it's not flexible the entire length...it has a 3' rigid tube inside of it and it's a pain to use.

The only advantage the Dyson has is that it weighs less.
 
2017-09-12 10:40:48 AM  

amfv: Counterpoint: I bought a Dyson for the first time two weeks ago. It was ridiculously expensive, but my God the results were phenomenal. I really regret not buying one many years ago


Also, the ball is pretty damn awesome if you have a lot of furniture to maneuver around. And my wife absolutely loves the handheld V6 I bought on sale at Target a few Black Fridays ago because it is perfect for cleaning up after our messy cat who tends to get really aggressive with digging in the litter box, so much that she will throw some out of the box, which takes a lot of work because it is one of these:

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2017-09-12 10:44:08 AM  

Opacity: ElPresidente: What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat

He's a Trump-sized self-promoting jackarse that sold mediocre prettied-up Hoovers at gold-plated prices.


ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame

So do I. Strongly recommend, and I do not recommend much. Everyone should get one.


A canister vac?

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My wife and I are NOT dragging a damn 1950s style canister through the apartment. Upright is the only way.
 
2017-09-12 10:44:38 AM  
One thing I will say about Dyson vacuums: they are some of the quietest vacuums (relatively speaking) I have ever used.
 
2017-09-12 10:50:44 AM  
He stole the idea from his brother, Miles.
 
2017-09-12 10:53:07 AM  

ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame in picking up stuff.


Yeah this. I hated paying for my Miele but it's the shiat.

Mad_Radhu: My wife and I are NOT dragging a damn 1950s style canister through the apartment. Upright is the only way.


They weigh almost nothing, follow along with no fuss, and are extremely quiet and strong.
 
2017-09-12 11:08:52 AM  
Didn't he also invent nuclear pulse propulsion, was responsible for the surge in kayak and baidarka popularity, and also invented the neural net processor that gave rise to Skynet?
 
2017-09-12 11:09:37 AM  
I still have one of the original upright Dyson vacuums and it still works as well as it did when I bought it 20 years ago.

Up until a lightning strike finally killed it, the only thing I've purchased that has lasted as long and worked as well was a Series 2 Tivo that I bought at about the same time.
 
2017-09-12 11:13:48 AM  

Mad_Radhu: amfv: Counterpoint: I bought a Dyson for the first time two weeks ago. It was ridiculously expensive, but my God the results were phenomenal. I really regret not buying one many years ago

Also, the ball is pretty damn awesome if you have a lot of furniture to maneuver around. And my wife absolutely loves the handheld V6 I bought on sale at Target a few Black Fridays ago because it is perfect for cleaning up after our messy cat who tends to get really aggressive with digging in the litter box, so much that she will throw some out of the box, which takes a lot of work because it is one of these:

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Catzilla!

I bought a litterbox with the highest sides I could find, but that looks like a nifty idea.
 
2017-09-12 11:14:03 AM  
Dyson vacuums are really great if you like getting up close and personal with all the dirt and pet hair you've vacuumed up. Emptying them invariably involves a lot of poking around, grabbing hunks of stuff and dragging it out. And enjoy spending a good ten minutes unwrapping hair/fur/fibers from around any brushes. Also, for devices that aren't "smart devices," they sure do spend a lot of time second guessing me.

Me: "I'd like to vacuum that rug."
Dyson: NOOOOO! I DON'T WANNA! YOU DIDN'T PUT THE HOSE ATTACHMENT BACK EXACTLY RIGHT TO ITS PRECISE SPECIFICATIONS SO NOW I'M ONLY GONNA SUCK FROM THIS HOSE!!!

Me: [Slightly knocks the side of vacuum against something]
Dyson: OMG! ERROR CONDITION! I SENSED RESISTANCE MOMENTARILY SO NOW I MUST SHUT DOWN!

Me: "Now I'd like to use this hose attachment to--"
Dyson: NO!!!!!! NO HOSE NOW!!!! ONE OF THE THIRTY PARTS THAT NEED TO BE CLICKED INTO POSITION ARE SLIGHTLY OUT OF ALIGNMENT SO YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY SUCTION.

Me: "OK, you know what I'll just lock this thing back upright and go use a DustBuster."
Dyson: NONONONO! NOT GOING TO GO BACK UPRIGHT! DON'T WANT TO LOCK RIGHT NOW, YOU DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT NONONONONONO!!!!!!
 
2017-09-12 11:17:34 AM  

Znuh: Alternately, buy a used Kirby on Craigslist or elsewhere. I found one for free on Craigs that needed a new power cord. Works even better than my parents' Dyson.


This. Kirbys and cockroaches will be the only things left after the Big One.
 
2017-09-12 11:22:46 AM  
I have a cordless dyson and it's perfect...for my situation.  If I had more that 150 sq ft of carpet I'd be singing a different tune.
 
2017-09-12 11:32:33 AM  
Carpetuation: The act of running over something with a vacuum cleaner nine or ten times without success, picking the offending item up off the floor, looking at it, and putting it back down to give the vacuum cleaner just one more chance.
 
2017-09-12 11:37:01 AM  

dittybopper: Didn't he also invent nuclear pulse propulsion, was responsible for the surge in kayak and baidarka popularity, and also invented the neural net processor that gave rise to Skynet?


Wrong Dyson.  This is the Dyson that invented the Dyson Ball, a 1-AU spherical shell designed to capture all the radiant energy of a star and use it to suck up dog hair.
 
2017-09-12 11:41:29 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Hate to tell you subby, but your headline sucks.


No, his headline has a pressure differential...
 
2017-09-12 11:42:33 AM  

Opacity: ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame


Until the day comes when you can't get bags for it because they used a non-standard (out of dozens of options) bag. So my Miele is sitting in the garage gathering cobwebs.

I like how easy it is to clean our Dyson, even the beater brush, which is critical as my wife's hair is a meter long.
 
2017-09-12 11:53:03 AM  

natazha: Opacity: ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame

Until the day comes when you can't get bags for it because they used a non-standard (out of dozens of options) bag. So my Miele is sitting in the garage gathering cobwebs.

I like how easy it is to clean our Dyson, even the beater brush, which is critical as my wife's hair is a meter long.


Ever heard of waxing?

/I keed
//couldn't resist an open goal
 
2017-09-12 11:57:04 AM  

phamwaa: Znuh: Alternately, buy a used Kirby on Craigslist or elsewhere. I found one for free on Craigs that needed a new power cord. Works even better than my parents' Dyson.

This. Kirbys, original Game Boys and cockroaches will be the only things left after the Big One.


ATFY.
 
2017-09-12 12:03:03 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Opacity: ElPresidente: What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat

He's a Trump-sized self-promoting jackarse that sold mediocre prettied-up Hoovers at gold-plated prices.


ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame

So do I. Strongly recommend, and I do not recommend much. Everyone should get one.

A canister vac?

[img.fark.net image 425x318]

My wife and I are NOT dragging a damn 1950s style canister through the apartment. Upright is the only way.


Miele makes vacuums in different shapes and sizes for different folks. For the record, there is no way I'm dragging around my my grandmother's (or ElPresidente's) canister vac either. Stick vac for me, but they make uprights either (no, I am not a Miele employee or shareholder, it's just one of the few companies out there that in the past few years I've bought something from and thought damn, this really works the way it should).
 
2017-09-12 12:03:06 PM  

TheAlgebraist: dittybopper: Didn't he also invent nuclear pulse propulsion, was responsible for the surge in kayak and baidarka popularity, and also invented the neural net processor that gave rise to Skynet?

Wrong Dyson.  This is the Dyson that invented the Dyson Ball, a 1-AU spherical shell designed to capture all the radiant energy of a star and use it to suck up dog hair.


Yeah, Freeman Dyson.
 
2017-09-12 12:08:29 PM  

Opacity: Miele makes vacuums in different shapes and sizes for different folks. For the record, there is no way I'm dragging around my grandmother's (or ElPresidente's) canister vac either. Stick vac for me, but they make uprights also (no, I am not a Miele employee or shareholder, it's just one of the few companies out there that in the past few years I've bought something from and thought damn, this really works the way it should).


FTF-oh my god I can't blame autocorrect for everything but I don't want anyone to throw an "Opacity had a stoke" party quite yet
 
2017-09-12 12:19:35 PM  

Opacity: Mad_Radhu: Opacity: ElPresidente: What a crap piece of self-promotion, not very informative and certainly flatters that twat

He's a Trump-sized self-promoting jackarse that sold mediocre prettied-up Hoovers at gold-plated prices.


ElPresidente: I have a Miele canister vacuum that puts any Dyson to shame

So do I. Strongly recommend, and I do not recommend much. Everyone should get one.

A canister vac?

[img.fark.net image 425x318]

My wife and I are NOT dragging a damn 1950s style canister through the apartment. Upright is the only way.

Miele makes vacuums in different shapes and sizes for different folks. For the record, there is no way I'm dragging around my my grandmother's (or ElPresidente's) canister vac either. Stick vac for me, but they make uprights either (no, I am not a Miele employee or shareholder, it's just one of the few companies out there that in the past few years I've bought something from and thought damn, this really works the way it should).


I totally get why someone in a one level house would prefer an upright vacuum, but those of us in homes with several floors find upright vacuums to be a pain in the arse on the stairs.  My house has four levels and 33 stairs, and an upright vacuum is a back breaker.
 
2017-09-12 12:21:58 PM  
People are ignorant.
Bought the wife a Hoover pet version and she sold off the Dyson. Things are crap.
 
2017-09-12 12:24:51 PM  
Dyson vacuums are garbage.  You're better off spending a quarter of the price on a Shark.  It will perform at least as well, it's made out of the same shiatty plastic, and it will last just as long, saving you money and frustration when it inevitably needs to be replaced.
 
2017-09-12 12:27:23 PM  
Plastic vac?  Biatch, please!   I'm still using the Kirby D50 my parents bought in 1965,

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2017-09-12 12:31:17 PM  

ElPresidente: .  My house has four levels and 33 stairs...



It's a split-level with a sunken living room upstairs and a sunken family room downstairs?
 
2017-09-12 12:33:47 PM  
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2017-09-12 12:34:44 PM  

Fissile: Plastic vac?  Biatch, please!   I'm still using the Kirby D50 my parents bought in 1965,

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My parents have one of those somewhere in their house. Was like trying to push a 5 ton floor jack around the house.

My $80 Hoover works just fine. When I really want to get the dirt up, I just steamvac.
 
2017-09-12 12:35:33 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: ElPresidente: .  My house has four levels and 33 stairs...


It's a split-level with a sunken living room upstairs and a sunken family room downstairs?


Upper level = 3 bedrooms
Middle level = 1 bedroom and big bathroom
Lower level = Sitting room, dining room and three steps down to kitchen and rear garden
Basement = Man cave and office
 
2017-09-12 12:35:53 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: ElPresidente: .  My house has four levels and 33 stairs...


It's a split-level with a sunken living room upstairs and a sunken family room downstairs?


Probably like a tri-level, with an extra level above the 2nd floor. A friend of ours had one like that.
 
2017-09-12 12:40:41 PM  

Nick Nostril: Fissile: Plastic vac?  Biatch, please!   I'm still using the Kirby D50 my parents bought in 1965,

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My parents have one of those somewhere in their house. Was like trying to push a 5 ton floor jack around the house.

My $80 Hoover works just fine. When I really want to get the dirt up, I just steamvac.


You don't want it?  No reason it should collect dust around your crib.  I'll PayPal you the shipping costs, UPS it to me.
 
2017-09-12 12:56:21 PM  

amfv: Counterpoint: I bought a Dyson for the first time two weeks ago. It was ridiculously expensive, but my God the results were phenomenal. I really regret not buying one many years ago


Tried. Doesn't pull up the dog and cat hair like my decade and half or so old Oreck does, though. And the handheld that came with still sucks awesomely. Never had maintenance on the handheld though.

Ridiculously expensive too.
 
2017-09-12 01:02:17 PM  
I bought mine in 2006 (DC 06).  It still vacuums better than anything I had before, and works terrific on picking up dog hair.

Up close and personal with the dirt?  Some of it, yes,  Guess what?  If your vacuum at home has a beater bar, so will you.  Bagless?  Ditto.  The big pain with dyson is cleaning the vortex chamber, but small pipe cleaner works wonders.

It is plastic, so parts do wear out.  I've replaced the primary latch mechanism, the release mechanism, and the entire collection shell on this thing to the tune of maybe $120 over and above the original purchase price.  Kudos to them for still keeping parts from a 2006 model available even today.

Full disclosure--mine is the ancient, pre-ball, heavy design.  I can't comment on the quality of more recent versions, but this one is doing exactly what I ask, eleven years later.

/former electrolux and hoover owner
// electrolux was 26 years old when it kicked the bucket, so the Dyson still has a ways to go to match it.
 
2017-09-12 01:05:15 PM  

Allen262: phamwaa: Znuh: Alternately, buy a used Kirby on Craigslist or elsewhere. I found one for free on Craigs that needed a new power cord. Works even better than my parents' Dyson.

This. Kirbys, original Game Boys, Nokia 3310  and cockroaches will be the only things left after the Big One.

ATFY.


Atfyaw
 
2017-09-12 01:36:29 PM  
Semi-related:  If you do any woodworking, do yourself a favor and get one of these or similar.  I rarely empty the shop vac now.  It's downright amazing how much dust and crud these trap.

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2017-09-12 03:41:31 PM  
My parents have one of those somewhere in their house. Was like trying to push a 5 ton floor jack around the house.

Fun fact, the 'newer' Kirbys (Kirbies?) as in from the 70s onward are self-propelled. Built like a brick shiathouse, move with insane ease. Cool little switch tells it to move forward or backward when you push/pull. 

It's like owning a Cadillac with a 500 cubic inch engine without any of the fuel costs.
 
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