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(Five Thirty-Eight)   Pot meet kettle: The reason Republicans are having trouble governing is that their ideology rests on the premise that "government is the problem"   ( fivethirtyeight.com) divider line
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2017-09-11 06:08:29 PM  
That and the fact that they are proof of the idea that none of us is as dumb as all of us.
 
2017-09-11 06:11:30 PM  
You're the political pundit version of a fake service dog.
 
2017-09-11 06:28:54 PM  
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2017-09-11 06:35:58 PM  
That and they get where they are on the promise of spending less money, but it turns out they just spend more of it on different, dumber shiat.
 
2017-09-11 06:47:26 PM  
They didn't expect to win the presidency. Their whole plan was to spend the next few years complaining about Hillary. They never imagined a scenario in which they could pass a healthcare reform bill that would be enacted.

They caught the car, and the rear bumper tastes awful, but they can't let go.
 
2017-09-11 07:41:29 PM  
Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"
 
2017-09-11 07:43:49 PM  

enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"


More like "I'm here to help myself"
 
2017-09-11 07:45:34 PM  

kevlar51: That and they get where they are on the promise of spending less money, but it turns out they just spend more of it on different, dumber shiat.


See also: Iraq war, bridge to nowhere, etc.
 
2017-09-11 07:48:45 PM  
Jon Stewart explained this all years ago with his Bullshiat Mountain monologue.

It's been a problem of their own creation for quite a long time. Chickens, coming home to roost and all that.
 
2017-09-11 07:52:40 PM  
"The GOP faces another challenge here: Trump won the Electoral College but not the popular vote. This matters for perceptions about whether he has an electoral mandate for his policies, which can sometimes influence how Congress acts. Some research suggests that members of Congress are more likely to support the White House's agenda, at least in the short term, when they perceive an election to have been a mandate. As a result, the preferences of Trump's core supporters are not always in line with the majority of the country."

I've explained this concept ad nauseum to Trumpers since the election, and they generally laugh in my face.
 
2017-09-11 08:17:15 PM  
A two year old could have connected those dots.
 
2017-09-11 08:26:52 PM  

make me some tea: "The GOP faces another challenge here: Trump won the Electoral College but not the popular vote. This matters for perceptions about whether he has an electoral mandate for his policies, which can sometimes influence how Congress acts. Some research suggests that members of Congress are more likely to support the White House's agenda, at least in the short term, when they perceive an election to have been a mandate. As a result, the preferences of Trump's core supporters are not always in line with the majority of the country."

I've explained this concept ad nauseum to Trumpers since the election, and they generally laugh in my face.


You could explain gravity ad nauseum to Trumpers and and they'd laugh in your face.
 
2017-09-11 08:29:22 PM  
No, Republicans aren't against big government.  They are against social programs that benefit black people.  Black people have poor moral character, as you can see from all the crime in the areas they live in, and don't value work or education, as is clear from their high unemployment and horrible schools.  They only value sports, and clearly they don't have any trouble competing there, which proves racism doesn't exist.  Also look how unfair it is that they are taking all the pro sports roles from honest Americans!

So because blacks can't be trusted all welfare needs to have a work requirement built in.  But there aren't enough low end jobs because all the illegal immigrants have taken them.  So we have to kick out the illegal immigrants, who are all bad people of low moral character anyway, because they are ILLEGAL immigrants.  They chose to be ILLEGAL which shows they are bad.  And then there will be plenty of jobs for those lazy blacks, but they will need to be forced to take them.

// the above summarized from a lengthy argument I had today with two avid Trump supporters
/// presented for purposes of exposing what at least some Republicans say behind closed doors
 
2017-09-11 08:34:02 PM  

naughtyrev: make me some tea: "The GOP faces another challenge here: Trump won the Electoral College but not the popular vote. This matters for perceptions about whether he has an electoral mandate for his policies, which can sometimes influence how Congress acts. Some research suggests that members of Congress are more likely to support the White House's agenda, at least in the short term, when they perceive an election to have been a mandate. As a result, the preferences of Trump's core supporters are not always in line with the majority of the country."

I've explained this concept ad nauseum to Trumpers since the election, and they generally laugh in my face.

You could explain gravity ad nauseum to Trumpers and and they'd laugh in your face.


Don't care, dropped facts anyway. Some people read it, because I tend to get "likes" on them for days afterward.
 
2017-09-11 08:56:29 PM  
Part of their problem is all the Tea Partiers who got elected in 2010. Those guys have never known anything but obstruction. They have no idea how to govern.
 
2017-09-11 09:01:43 PM  

SomeAmerican: // the above summarized from a lengthy argument I had today with two avid Trump supporters
/// presented for purposes of exposing what at least some Republicans say behind closed doors


Yeah.

*shakes head sadly*
 
2017-09-11 09:02:06 PM  

enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"


Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.
 
2017-09-11 09:02:06 PM  
It's always been self-evident that "we can govern our way out of bad government" was a lame and stupid concept, except people kept falling for it.
 
2017-09-11 09:02:47 PM  

qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.

Venerates

, dammit. Fark anyone who venerates that piece of shiat.
 
2017-09-11 09:05:53 PM  

fusillade762: Part of their problem is all the Tea Partiers who got elected in 2010. Those guys have never known anything but obstruction. They have no idea how to govern.


Because they were trained to believe that government can never work, so they have no incentive to make it work.
 
2017-09-11 09:07:56 PM  
Not really a pot/kettle thing so much as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2017-09-11 09:09:21 PM  
They don't mind government working, as long as it is working for the right people, white and rich people.
 
2017-09-11 09:13:23 PM  
Well that and quite a few of them think of running for office as some of kind of grift instead of an obligation or a job interview.
 
2017-09-11 09:14:21 PM  
1. Idiot demagogue appoints cynics and/or unqualified cronies who believe government can only fail.

2. Government fails.

3. Voters get more angry at the failing government.

4. Idiot demagogue reelected after blaming immigrants/Muslims/Jews"globalists" for the failures.

5. MAGA.
 
2017-09-11 09:18:25 PM  

qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.


The modern GOP venerates both.  Go figure.
 
2017-09-11 09:18:59 PM  
Not exactly ground breaking stuff here but it obviously needs to repeated over and over by dems because too many people don't pay attention. Obviously, dems being dems, they won't.
 
2017-09-11 09:19:24 PM  
Three are two republican parties: The gerrymandered island species and the GOP mainstream.

The island dwellers face no democratic rivals, so they only have to appeal to the base and doing so have evolved to be ever more anti-government and more racist. The mainstream GOP however can lose and election so their message must appeal to more then just the base, so they use dog whistles to keep them happy and try and craft a message that will not horrify the average voter. Getting these two groups to agree on anything is impossible because over many generations the the island GOP has lost the natural ability to compromise. Like a flightless bird they can only waddle around and shait on everything.
 
2017-09-11 09:20:38 PM  

qorkfiend: qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.

Venerates, dammit. Fark anyone who venerates that piece of shiat.


I blame the Greatest Veneration.
 
2017-09-11 09:29:37 PM  

SomeAmerican: No, Republicans aren't against big government.  They are against social programs that benefit black people.  Black people have poor moral character, as you can see from all the crime in the areas they live in, and don't value work or education, as is clear from their high unemployment and horrible schools.  They only value sports, and clearly they don't have any trouble competing there, which proves racism doesn't exist.  Also look how unfair it is that they are taking all the pro sports roles from honest Americans!

So because blacks can't be trusted all welfare needs to have a work requirement built in.  But there aren't enough low end jobs because all the illegal immigrants have taken them.  So we have to kick out the illegal immigrants, who are all bad people of low moral character anyway, because they are ILLEGAL immigrants.  They chose to be ILLEGAL which shows they are bad.  And then there will be plenty of jobs for those lazy blacks, but they will need to be forced to take them.

// the above summarized from a lengthy argument I had today with two avid Trump supporters
/// presented for purposes of exposing what at least some Republicans say behind closed doors


Closed doors, shiat, you sound like the kid that closed my pool last week. And the lady that trimmed my trees. And the concrete guy. Not the fence guy, though. He just has a Trump sticker on his work truck.
 
2017-09-11 09:59:41 PM  
I cannot remember a time in my life that Republicans ran on  anything other than "government is broken and evil, elect me and I'll prove it to you."
 
2017-09-11 10:02:53 PM  

enry: qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.

The modern GOP venerates both.  Go figure.


Ronald Reagan - Only the GOP could look at an old man afflicted with Alzheimer's and think "There's our economic and political Genius!"
 
2017-09-11 10:16:26 PM  
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2017-09-11 10:17:31 PM  
They spent decades cultivating a philosophy of "Burn the motherfarker down!" and now they're shocked to see their base pouring gasoline everywhere.  I can't wait to see how many of this crop gets primaried.
 
2017-09-11 10:32:59 PM  

Sin'sHero: qorkfiend: qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.

Venerates, dammit. Fark anyone who venerates that piece of shiat.

I blame the Greatest Veneration.


I belong to the blank veneration and
I can take it or leave it each time
 
2017-09-11 10:49:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It's always been self-evident that "we can govern our way out of bad government" was a lame and stupid concept, except people kept falling for it.


You can govern your way out of bad government.  The problem is that you have a lot of very stupid people convinced that any government is bad government, and they keep voting for the people trying to burn it all down.
 
2017-09-11 10:58:18 PM  

SomeAmerican: No, Republicans aren't against big government.  They are against social programs that benefit black people.  Black people have poor moral character, as you can see from all the crime in the areas they live in, and don't value work or education, as is clear from their high unemployment and horrible schools.  They only value sports, and clearly they don't have any trouble competing there, which proves racism doesn't exist.  Also look how unfair it is that they are taking all the pro sports roles from honest Americans!

So because blacks can't be trusted all welfare needs to have a work requirement built in.  But there aren't enough low end jobs because all the illegal immigrants have taken them.  So we have to kick out the illegal immigrants, who are all bad people of low moral character anyway, because they are ILLEGAL immigrants.  They chose to be ILLEGAL which shows they are bad.  And then there will be plenty of jobs for those lazy blacks, but they will need to be forced to take them.

// the above summarized from a lengthy argument I had today with two avid Trump supporters
/// presented for purposes of exposing what at least some Republicans say behind closed doors


Sounds like Ann Coulter
 
2017-09-11 11:04:33 PM  
Painted themselves into a corner they have.
 
2017-09-12 02:36:36 AM  

busy chillin': Painted themselves into a corner they have.


Hello... Jim Jefferies
 
2017-09-12 03:42:07 AM  
Plus, when you are grabbing for yourselves with both hands, conflicts are bound to develop...
 
2017-09-12 09:28:39 AM  

silly season: enry: qorkfiend: enry: Back in the day. Reagan said the scariest words were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

What does Trump say?  "The government is here to help"

Seriously, fark Ronald Reagan and fark anyone who generates that piece of shiat.

The modern GOP venerates both.  Go figure.

Ronald Reagan - Only the GOP could look at an old man afflicted with Alzheimer's and think "There's our economic and political Genius!"


To be fair, there's not a single GOP strategist who believes it. You can't run a police state and horde wealth without a large police force and a very expensive justice system to protect all that wealth.  They keep saying it because:

A) It's an easy slogan to remember and requires no active thought on the the part of the recipient.
B) It's a thinly veiled dog whistle for cutting off any sort of gov't assistance to minorities
C) It distracts their base so they can quietly work to screw over everyone in the background
D) It works - Go with the winner.


If anything, "OMG goverment is teh evil!" has worked too well, despite all evidence to the contrary.  In that way, it's almost like a religion or a cult.  And now we're finally seeing true believers getting elected.  It's like Frankenstein's monster or Daleks or Scientology or Mormonism.  What started as a small power grab has spiraled out of control and the progenitors can no longer stop the effects.
 
2017-09-12 12:24:06 PM  
Thanks for the newsflash, 538.
 
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