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(The Verge)   VW plans to electrify entire 300-car lineup by 2030, as soon as they can find some way to cheat on the tests   ( theverge.com) divider line
    More: Misc, VW Group, internal combustion engine, Electric vehicle, Volkswagen, Diesel engine, VW Group CEO, VW I.D. Buzz, Volkswagen Group  
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2017-09-11 06:46:08 PM  
So the will be 2 stroke diesels disguised as batteries, that use diesel fuel as "coolant"
 
2017-09-11 07:30:40 PM  
Meanwhile, WV plans to make all cars run on coal.
 
2017-09-11 07:55:04 PM  
I like my GTI with a gas, turbocharged engine thank you.
 
2017-09-11 09:30:08 PM  
Eyeing the Chinese market?
 
2017-09-11 09:42:16 PM  
But I was assured electric vehicles would not be on any tests.
 
2017-09-11 09:54:05 PM  
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Here is the scaled engineering prototype for their battery pack.
 
2017-09-11 09:58:34 PM  
Might I suggest reducing the number of unique models in favor of more badge branding.
 
2017-09-11 10:32:06 PM  

derpes_simplex: Meanwhile, WV plans to make all cars run on coal.


Ironically it was a team from West Virginia University who exposed VW's cheating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/business/vw-wvu-diesel-volkswagen-​w​est-virginia.html
 
2017-09-11 10:40:10 PM  

BadReligion: I like my GTI with a gas, turbocharged engine thank you.


The GTI is already dead.   That thing they sell now with the GTI badge is 5 door only.
 
2017-09-11 11:07:37 PM  
Each car will have a coal fired electrical generator under the hood.
 
2017-09-12 12:05:06 AM  
They don't really have 300 different varieties, do they?  How many does GM have?
 
2017-09-12 12:11:49 AM  
Meanwhile Mazda has figured out how to make a gasoline engine with a diesel combustion cycle that is more efficient and less polluting. And it is a drop in replacement for the existing engines. Now, if they can only figure out how to have live traffic maps in the infotainment system, we would be golden.
 
2017-09-12 01:03:55 AM  
The rogue engineering team will replace the Mister Fusion power plant with the more common and dangerous Mister Fission.  The fallout from the decision will last for decades.
 
2017-09-12 08:29:44 AM  

VisualiseThis: They don't really have 300 different varieties, do they?


VW is the largest European automaker.

They own: VW, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Skoda, Ducati, MAN, Scania, and VW's truck division.

I bet you did nazi that coming.
 
2017-09-12 08:32:18 AM  
Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.

Like so much in this country we need to make sense of this stuff.


/Been affected by 2 hurricanes in the last couple weeks
//Got kids
/// We need to do better
 
2017-09-12 09:09:18 AM  

comhcinc: Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.


They're fine. They're just more stringent than Europe's.

This is what American diesel emissions standards are about:
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Fuel efficiency standards are about carbon. NOx standards are about smog.
 
2017-09-12 09:18:54 AM  

This text is now purple: VisualiseThis: They don't really have 300 different varieties, do they?

VW is the largest European automaker.

They own: VW, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Skoda, Ducati, MAN, Scania, and VW's truck division.

I bet you did nazi that coming.


Thanks, that's quite the cattle car full of brands.
 
2017-09-12 09:35:32 AM  

This text is now purple: comhcinc: Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.

They're fine. They're just more stringent than Europe's.

This is what American diesel emissions standards are about:
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Fuel efficiency standards are about carbon. NOx standards are about smog.


It's beautiful. Unregulated capitalism at its finest.
 
2017-09-12 09:41:37 AM  

This text is now purple: comhcinc: Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.

They're fine. They're just more stringent than Europe's.

This is what American diesel emissions standards are about:
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Fuel efficiency standards are about carbon. NOx standards are about smog.


I know and yet Europe with it's lax emission standards don't have a smog issue. New diesel are really clean.
 
2017-09-12 10:03:17 AM  

comhcinc: I know and yet Europe with it's lax emission standards don't have a smog issue. New diesel are really clean.


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It's not China-bad, but it's worse than the US.
 
2017-09-12 10:51:34 AM  

comhcinc: This text is now purple: comhcinc: Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.

They're fine. They're just more stringent than Europe's.

This is what American diesel emissions standards are about:
[img.fark.net image 850x566]

Fuel efficiency standards are about carbon. NOx standards are about smog.

I know and yet Europe with it's lax emission standards don't have a smog issue. New diesel are really clean.


I'd be okay going to 100% electric for vehicles and focus on making our central generation sources as clean as possible in all ways.
 
2017-09-12 11:47:58 AM  

Tom_Slick: So the will be 2 stroke diesels disguised as batteries, that use diesel fuel as "coolant"


They could make them like those legendary "arco challenge" cars.  This was either the 1950s or early 1970s (not sure) but the likely reason it ended was because of just how outrageous the winners "economy" was (current non-street legal challenges easily get >200mpg.  Great mileage, if you are willing to ride a slow motorized street luge).

It turned out that the engine was mostly burning oil in the cylinder and using that as fuel.  Once started, they could keep going after running out of gasoline.  So its hardly a new idea.
 
2017-09-12 12:04:23 PM  

Gaddiel: comhcinc: This text is now purple: comhcinc: Our diesel regulations are messed up. Here is a recent Skeptoid episode about it.

They're fine. They're just more stringent than Europe's.

This is what American diesel emissions standards are about:
[img.fark.net image 850x566]

Fuel efficiency standards are about carbon. NOx standards are about smog.

I know and yet Europe with it's lax emission standards don't have a smog issue. New diesel are really clean.

I'd be okay going to 100% electric for vehicles and focus on making our central generation sources as clean as possible in all ways.


I agree that should be the end goal which we will be closer if we start using more nuclear (that's besides the point) but as a stop gap a clean desiel is better than most other cars at the moment
 
2017-09-12 12:29:36 PM  
Hopefully it improves VW's reliability. Everyone I know that drives one seems to end up with a huge repair bill every couple of years, and it doesn't seem to matter whether they were German or Mexican built.

/anecdotal
 
2017-09-12 12:37:54 PM  
Wake me when they aren't money pits.
 
2017-09-12 12:38:23 PM  

sat1va: Hopefully it improves VW's reliability. Everyone I know that drives one seems to end up with a huge repair bill every couple of years, and it doesn't seem to matter whether they were German or Mexican built.

/anecdotal


It's not just you.
 
2017-09-12 02:46:35 PM  
So basically just hybrids.  5 minutes of run time on battery, rest on fossil fuels.
 
kab
2017-09-12 07:18:28 PM  

Nick Nostril: sat1va: Hopefully it improves VW's reliability. Everyone I know that drives one seems to end up with a huge repair bill every couple of years, and it doesn't seem to matter whether they were German or Mexican built.

/anecdotal

It's not just you.


No, it isn't.   We owned a GTI from 2011-a few months ago.   Clocked 60k miles or so on it, and while it was 'generally' a reliable car in that timeframe, every time it did break down, it seemed just a few minutes away from potential engine failure (failed cam, failed waterpump, etc etc).    And anyone who hails the concept of German engineering has never tried to work on one of these clusterfarks themselves.

/decent car, but nothing particularly memorable
/ymmv.
 
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