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2017-09-07 09:21:00 AM  
Certainly the first one who made being white a centerpiece of his appeal.
 
2017-09-07 09:45:50 AM  
He's greatly admired by millions whose only real accomplishment was being born white.
 
2017-09-07 09:47:29 AM  
It's a good read that won't reach the right people
 
2017-09-07 09:52:17 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: It's a good read that won't reach the right people


QFT
 
2017-09-07 09:56:11 AM  
That was so spot on, "Within a week of Sanders lambasting Democrats for not speaking to "the people" where he "came from," he was making an example of a woman who dreamed of representing the people where she came from. Confronted with a young woman who hoped to become the second Latina senator in American history, Sanders responded with a parody of the Clinton campaign: "It is not good enough for someone to say, 'I'm a woman! Vote for me!' No, that's not good enough ... One of the struggles that you're going to be seeing in the Democratic Party is whether we go beyond identity politics." The upshot-attacking one specimen of identity politics after having invoked another-was unfortunate."

"Certainly not every Trump voter is a white supremacist, just as not every white person in the Jim Crow South was a white supremacist. But every Trump voter felt it acceptable to hand the fate of the country over to one."

"The real problem is that Democrats aren't the party of white people-working or otherwise. White workers are not divided by the fact of labor from other white demographics; they are divided from all other laborers by the fact of their whiteness."

Brilliant analysis.
 
2017-09-07 10:00:47 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: It's a good read that won't reach the right people


I agree. As a white guy I have the luxury of going through life not ever being forced to consider any of the things Coates writes about, or even think about myself as a 'white guy' for that matter, and it's valuable and educational to read thoughts and ideas I couldn't possibly have expressed myself.

It's going to make people stamp their feet and whine 'I don't want to think about these things', which we'll no doubt see later in the thread...
 
2017-09-07 10:09:57 AM  

edmo: He's greatly admired by millions whose only real accomplishment was being born white.


Yeah, I pointed this out to a pair of white nationalist who tried to "recruit me" about 5 years ago.... in Seattle of all places*. 

I pointed out my skills, and then pointed out that their only skill is "being white."
 
2017-09-07 10:17:56 AM  

phaseolus: It's going to make people stamp their feet and whine 'I don't want to think about these things', which we'll no doubt see later in the thread...


^ This.
 
2017-09-07 10:32:58 AM  
The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.
 
2017-09-07 10:53:38 AM  

gilgigamesh: We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.


Awww...but I was having so much fun posting pictures like this!

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But I concede your point.
 
2017-09-07 10:54:20 AM  
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/the white first president
 
2017-09-07 10:55:09 AM  
I don't want to think about these things.
 
2017-09-07 10:55:14 AM  

phaseolus: Soup4Bonnie: It's a good read that won't reach the right people

I agree. As a white guy I have the luxury of going through life not ever being forced to consider any of the things Coates writes about, or even think about myself as a 'white guy' for that matter, and it's valuable and educational to read thoughts and ideas I couldn't possibly have expressed myself.

It's going to make people stamp their feet and whine 'I don't want to think about these things', which we'll no doubt see later in the thread...


You could try helping with the gentrification of Detroit.  You'll feel like a white guy then.
 
2017-09-07 10:56:21 AM  
Mr.President, Sir. The briefing, it's about to begin...

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2017-09-07 10:56:38 AM  

Serious Black: Certainly the first one who made being white a centerpiece of his appeal.


Well, except for the Adams, all the early Presidents owned slaves and had kinky sex with them. Except for the gay POTUS.
 
2017-09-07 10:57:37 AM  
There were lots of white males running on the RNC and DNC platforms.

Even Jim Webb, who said he should be President because he killed a man and enjoyed watching him die. Or Lincoln Chafee, who said he voted on a bill just because he didn't have time to read it but was along the party line.
 
2017-09-07 10:58:22 AM  
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2017-09-07 10:58:39 AM  

gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.


Here's the thing though - you'd probably need to employ some "non-traditional liberal" strategies in order to do that. Trying to reason bigoted individuals with liberal mores don't work for the most part.
 
2017-09-07 11:01:12 AM  

gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.


this.
And the deeper point.
It did not matter what kind of a horrible human being he was.

As long as he was white and a republican.

The question we are still left with, "what would make you not vote for Donald Trump? What could he have done or said that would have made you say no"
 
2017-09-07 11:01:49 AM  

Serious Black: Certainly the first one who made being white a centerpiece of his appeal.


I don't agree. Reagan made it pretty central to his appeal. He gave a stayes rights speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi. That was pretty damn blatant.
 
2017-09-07 11:02:35 AM  

gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.


It's still not even as easy as that.  He got something like 18% of former Obama voters and something like 30% of the hispanic vote.  OBVIOUSLY the biggest reason he's in office is racism, but I think it's a bad idea to discount the non white demographics.  I don't think he wins if he only got the white vote.
 
2017-09-07 11:03:38 AM  

edmo: He's greatly admired by millions whose only real accomplishment was being born white.


Born white to the right parents.
 
2017-09-07 11:04:37 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: Mr.President, Sir. The briefing, it's about to begin...

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Pfft. Like trump would read a book about a salad.

/seriously, is that a popup book about salad?
 
2017-09-07 11:05:45 AM  
Considering the topic of the article, I'm thinking there is an ironic amount of whitewashing of many of our past presidents to make it seem like Trump is even more exceptional than he already is.

He may actually be in the running to stand among the worst presidents ever, but I'm not going to pretend that all previous presidents were highly competent saints by comparison. We've had some incredibly racist assholes in office before Trump. Just not anyone quite so blatant in recent memory.
 
2017-09-07 11:06:02 AM  
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2017-09-07 11:07:32 AM  
The percentages are presented as indicitive of the entire white population when in reality a lot of white people just didn't vote cause they thought he could never win.

Egg on their face, not ours.  This man is president, more than any other reason, because the people who couldn't imagine he'd ever get elected didn't imagine he could get elected.
 
2017-09-07 11:07:38 AM  

LL316: phaseolus: Soup4Bonnie: It's a good read that won't reach the right people

I agree. As a white guy I have the luxury of going through life not ever being forced to consider any of the things Coates writes about, or even think about myself as a 'white guy' for that matter, and it's valuable and educational to read thoughts and ideas I couldn't possibly have expressed myself.

It's going to make people stamp their feet and whine 'I don't want to think about these things', which we'll no doubt see later in the thread...

You could try helping with the gentrification of Detroit.  You'll feel like a white guy then.


Don't.
 
2017-09-07 11:07:40 AM  

JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.

Here's the thing though - you'd probably need to employ some "non-traditional liberal" strategies in order to do that. Trying to reason bigoted individuals with liberal mores don't work for the most part.


I'm a liberal, and I am motivated by facts not dogma.

I was surprised to find, for example, that Donald Trump won a majority of educated white women.  I'm disappointed in that fact, but I still recognize it is a fact. Educated women voted for an admitted rapist
(Ok, sexual assaulter) because he is white.

The question is what do we do about it.
 
2017-09-07 11:07:47 AM  
Also the first orange president.
 
2017-09-07 11:08:53 AM  

Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?
 
2017-09-07 11:09:30 AM  
The best article about the Trump phenomenon so far. And an article that will be immediately cast aside without a thought by most people who need to understand it, regardless of their political affiliation.
 
2017-09-07 11:10:05 AM  

LL316: gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.

It's still not even as easy as that.  He got something like 18% of former Obama voters and something like 30% of the hispanic vote.  OBVIOUSLY the biggest reason he's in office is racism, but I think it's a bad idea to discount the non white demographics.  I don't think he wins if he only got the white vote.


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Hillary was the devil, remember? Can we all PLEASE stop acting like this Russian tampering didn't happen? Propaganda is a powerful tool. They gave many, many people the impression that a vote for Hillary and a vote for Trump was basically the same thing. Then, once they brought her down to his level, he told a bunch of lies about what he was going to do and uninformed people decided grabbing pussy wasn't so bad as long as he was going to "bring jobs back".
 
2017-09-07 11:12:05 AM  

Archidude: Serious Black: Certainly the first one who made being white a centerpiece of his appeal.

I don't agree. Reagan made it pretty central to his appeal. He gave a stayes rights speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi. That was pretty damn blatant.


The article points out that previous presidents served the public in some way, generally in politics or the armed forces. Reagan was governor of California, so he had relevant experience. Trump's only qualification was the fact that he was white and his embracing of the identity politics associated with it.
 
2017-09-07 11:12:08 AM  

Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?


The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.
 
2017-09-07 11:12:14 AM  

bigdanc: The percentages are presented as indicitive of the entire white population when in reality a lot of white people just didn't vote cause they thought he could never win.

Egg on their face, not ours.  This man is president, more than any other reason, because the people who couldn't imagine he'd ever get elected didn't imagine he could get elected.



Naw, that apathy is not excusable. That apathy allowed Jim Crow laws and segregation. "Good" white people sitting by and doing nothing in a country where you are the majority can have devastating consequences.
 
2017-09-07 11:14:14 AM  

sigdiamond2000: The best article about the Trump phenomenon so far. And an article that will be immediately cast aside without a thought by most people who need to understand it, regardless of their political affiliation.


This is an intelligent article written by an intellectual.  Therefore: fake news.

It contains facts which Trump supporters deny.  Therefore: fake news.

As mentioned upthread, the people who need to read it won't.  Why?: fake news.
 
2017-09-07 11:14:39 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.


So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?
 
2017-09-07 11:14:56 AM  
ITT: Democrats STILL trying to rationalize why they were so clueless about Trump's chance of winning the Presidency. Hillary was the embodiment of the political established/establishment.

Calling everyone that doesn't have your same world view a Nazi, bigot or racist isn't going to bode well for you and your cause as decent, kind and hard-working people won't accept these undeserving labels you're trying to pin on them. But keep on keepin' on... you'll be scratching your head as to how you lost AGAIN and Godwin'n every article on Fark pol for many years to come.
 
2017-09-07 11:14:58 AM  
Great read. I really loved the dig at Anthony Bourdain too, in the part where he's decrying the Democratic party for ignoring the needs of white workers is why Americans are voting trump...Completely ignoring the meaning of Black and Minority Workers who have had it a lot rougher and been marginalized for far longer by the political system going overwhelmingly for Clinton.

It's really too bad the people who need to read this article the most are probably trying to figure out how to bash it without looking like a total racist.
 
2017-09-07 11:15:17 AM  

gilgigamesh: JAGChem82: gilgigamesh: The article makes a very important point that people here often overlook: Trump wasn't elected because of support from flyover rednecks. He won because of support from white voters. All ages, income, professions, education, gender. The one common denominator: whiteness.

We need to kill the myth of "poor toothless redecks voting against their own interests" once and for all and address the real cancer of white supremacy.

Here's the thing though - you'd probably need to employ some "non-traditional liberal" strategies in order to do that. Trying to reason bigoted individuals with liberal mores don't work for the most part.

I'm a liberal, and I am motivated by facts not dogma.

I was surprised to find, for example, that Donald Trump won a majority of educated white women.  I'm disappointed in that fact, but I still recognize it is a fact. Educated women voted for an admitted rapist
(Ok, sexual assaulter) because he is white.

The question is what do we do about it.


TBH it's not something American liberalism is prepared to really address.
 
2017-09-07 11:15:36 AM  

Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.

So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?


If they know it is one, and are doing it for that purpose.
 
2017-09-07 11:16:17 AM  

penetrating_virga: ITT: Democrats STILL trying to rationalize why they were so clueless about Trump's chance of winning the Presidency. Hillary was the embodiment of the political established/establishment.

Calling everyone that doesn't have your same world view a Nazi, bigot or racist isn't going to bode well for you and your cause as decent, kind and hard-working people won't accept these undeserving labels you're trying to pin on them. But keep on keepin' on... you'll be scratching your head as to how you lost AGAIN and Godwin'n every article on Fark pol for many years to come.


Many neo-nazis are very fine people, right?
 
2017-09-07 11:17:15 AM  

penetrating_virga: ITT: Democrats STILL trying to rationalize why they were so clueless about Trump's chance of winning the Presidency. Hillary was the embodiment of the political established/establishment.

Calling everyone that doesn't have your same world view a Nazi, bigot or racist isn't going to bode well for you and your cause as decent, kind and hard-working people won't accept these undeserving labels you're trying to pin on them. But keep on keepin' on... you'll be scratching your head as to how you lost AGAIN and Godwin'n every article on Fark pol for many years to come.


How about hearing it from a Reagan/Bush regime veteran?
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2017-09-07 11:17:48 AM  

Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?


No.

And even if they try to co-opt it as such, don't let them. Reflexively abandoning tried and true cultural symbols (the "a-ok" hand gesture) because shiat birds want it for themselves is letting them win.
 
2017-09-07 11:19:03 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.

So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?

If they know it is one, and are doing it for that purpose.


And how exactly are you making tjat determination? If it confirms your existing opinion of the individual?

I'm sorry, but trying to use that incredibly common hand gesture as proof of nefariius motives is incredibly stupid and counter productive.
 
2017-09-07 11:19:23 AM  

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Jesus.  I never noticed that.  Always wondered why he made that ok type gesture all the time.
 
2017-09-07 11:19:50 AM  

Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
[i.imgur.com image 800x800]

The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.

So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?

If they know it is one, and are doing it for that purpose.

And how exactly are you making tjat determination? If it confirms your existing opinion of the individual?

I'm sorry, but trying to use that incredibly common hand gesture as proof of nefariius motives is incredibly stupid and counter productive.


Nefarious.
 
2017-09-07 11:19:56 AM  

Archidude: The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?


Archidude: So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?


No and Yes. The OK symbol is fairly universal, but the Racist "OK" has three prominently displayed fingers, which can stand for this or this.
 
2017-09-07 11:20:11 AM  

NateAsbestos: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
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The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

No.

And even if they try to co-opt it as such, don't let them. Reflexively abandoning tried and true cultural symbols (the "a-ok" hand gesture) because shiat birds want it for themselves is letting them win.


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2017-09-07 11:20:42 AM  

Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: Archidude: Epoch_Zero: [i.imgur.com image 850x646]
[i.imgur.com image 800x800]

The OK hand sign is a white power symbol? WTF?

The Alt-Right NeoNazis have made it one, yes.

So, do you now assume that anyone making that hand symbol is a neo-nazi?

If they know it is one, and are doing it for that purpose.

And how exactly are you making tjat determination? If it confirms your existing opinion of the individual?

I'm sorry, but trying to use that incredibly common hand gesture as proof of nefariius motives is incredibly stupid and counter productive.


If there is a no-chin at a rally, carrying a confederate flag, and also making this gesture, I am assuming that is what they are meaning by it.
 
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