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(The Hill)   Three GOP congressmen apparently don't want to see Texas and Louisiana recover from Harvey   ( thehill.com) divider line
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2017-09-06 03:03:30 PM  
well hey, at least they're consistent in being a party of Dicks, regardless of president
 
2017-09-06 04:04:45 PM  
For those who were wondering (as I was) the three are Amash (R - MI 3rd), Biggs (R - AZ 5th), and Massie (R - KY 4th).
 
2017-09-06 04:09:28 PM  
In other news, Paul Ryan is shocked, SHOCKED, that anyone would play politics with the debt ceiling.
 
2017-09-06 04:13:52 PM  
If you gather 422 human beings and ask their opinions on anything with a yes or no answer, you'll probably average somewhere down the middle on most things.  Something winning or losing 419-3 is either really good or really bad.  But yet, the 3 who voted no on this one probably think that everyone else is an idiot.
 
2017-09-06 04:20:54 PM  
In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill. Congress did not offset Wednesday's spending.

Farking idiot.

The time to draw that line is not AFTER the disaster has occurred, with another one barreling toward us.  Likewise, the time to biatch about the debt ceiling is not AFTER you spent the money we didn't have, which is what causes the need to raise it in the first place.

You want to offset disaster recovery funds with spending?  Fine.  Start a fund - today.  And fill that fund with cuts from other areas if you must.  You know...with some form of budget.  I think you can Google the word.

And maybe control your own damned spending if you want to get pissy about the debt ceiling.  Congress controls the purse.  It's all on you, dude.

What he is doing here is not "fiscal responsibility."  It's grandstanding, and nothing more.

So fark you, Amash.  And continue doing so while Americans are at risk and suffering.
 
2017-09-06 04:46:10 PM  
This is no surprise.  The Rs have always shown themselves to be the party of "What's in it for me" or just outright "NO!"
 
2017-09-06 05:02:00 PM  
Of course. The rest of them look like partisan hypocrites for rushing to help Harvey victims after shaking their todgers at Sandy victims and laughing. The three who voted against? They're assholes of the first water, but they at least retain their integrity.

The others? Not so much.
 
2017-09-06 05:12:46 PM  
The whole idea of the debt ceiling is stupid. It will get raised whenever the government needs to borrow more and a significant chunk of the national debt is money the federal government owes to itself. Every time it looks like it might not (or doesn't) get raised before it's reached bankers get nervous. Nervous bankers is a bad thing.

The debt ceiling only exists so politicians can use it as an excuse for why they didn't support some spending bill.
 
2017-09-06 05:33:58 PM  

nmrsnr: For those who were wondering (as I was) the three are Amash (R - MI 3rd), Biggs (R - AZ 5th), and Massie (R - KY 4th).


Is Massie related to the coal mining guy?
 
2017-09-06 05:38:03 PM  

Kouta: The whole idea of the debt ceiling is stupid. It will get raised whenever the government needs to borrow more and a significant chunk of the national debt is money the federal government owes to itself. Every time it looks like it might not (or doesn't) get raised before it's reached bankers get nervous. Nervous bankers is a bad thing.

The debt ceiling only exists so politicians can use it as an excuse for why they didn't support some spending bill.


Agreed. it's a stupid concept, however, much like the anti-"pork barrel" bill back in 2006 or whatever, it becomes harder to negotiate without it.

/we should've kept the pork barrel spending
 
2017-09-06 05:42:54 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-06 06:02:34 PM  

Earl Green: If you gather 422 human beings and ask their opinions on anything with a yes or no answer, you'll probably average somewhere down the middle on most things.  Something winning or losing 419-3 is either really good or really bad.  But yet, the 3 who voted no on this one probably think that everyone else is an idiot.


Or they saw the way the wind was blowing and figured a protest vote would help them more than hurt them.
 
2017-09-06 06:24:50 PM  
Disaster aid bills shouldn't have anything else attached to them. It's just chickenshiat politicians hiding behind something bigger. Cowards the lot of 'em.
 
2017-09-06 06:24:51 PM  
Divide and conquer could work really well at the trough...
 
2017-09-06 06:26:22 PM  

somedude210: nmrsnr: For those who were wondering (as I was) the three are Amash (R - MI 3rd), Biggs (R - AZ 5th), and Massie (R - KY 4th).

Is Massie related to the coal mining guy?


Doesnt look like it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Massie
 
2017-09-06 06:27:18 PM  
Did they then put their hands on their hips and cough?
 
2017-09-06 06:27:55 PM  

Diogenes: In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill. Congress did not offset Wednesday's spending.

Farking idiot.

The time to draw that line is not AFTER the disaster has occurred, with another one barreling toward us.  Likewise, the time to biatch about the debt ceiling is not AFTER you spent the money we didn't have, which is what causes the need to raise it in the first place.

You want to offset disaster recovery funds with spending?  Fine.  Start a fund - today.  And fill that fund with cuts from other areas if you must.  You know...with some form of budget.  I think you can Google the word.

And maybe control your own damned spending if you want to get pissy about the debt ceiling.  Congress controls the purse.  It's all on you, dude.

What he is doing here is not "fiscal responsibility."  It's grandstanding, and nothing more.

So fark you, Amash.  And continue doing so while Americans are at risk and suffering.


Reduce all discretionary spending proportionately by $1 for every dollar of disaster funding.

What's that? A $20B spending bill would result in $12B of cuts to the military?

Oh well.
 
2017-09-06 06:28:19 PM  

nmrsnr: For those who were wondering (as I was) the three are Amash (R - MI 3rd), Biggs (R - AZ 5th), and Massie (R - KY 4th).


3rd Congressional District is the area around Grand Rapids.  Having lived around there, I'm not surprised.  It's the kind of place where you run into a lot of people who don't let their kids read the Sunday funnies because they're ungodly.
 
2017-09-06 06:29:36 PM  
Has anybody pointed out that if they don't raise the debt ceiling than any aid bill is meaningless?
 
2017-09-06 06:29:58 PM  
The Dems should agree to support storm aid and the debt ceiling in return for a GOP agreement to stop torpedoing the ACA and not to repeal it without including their replacement as part of the same bill.

Wait, wait, wait...  I forgot, Trump's doing strangling the ACA, and you can't trust him to hold up his end of the deal.
 
2017-09-06 06:32:22 PM  
You guys have Andy Biggs of Arizona's 5th district all wrong. First, if you look at his Wikipedia page photo, he's wearing an American flag tie, and that means he's more American than any of you unless you happen to be wearing an American flag shirt, pants, or some type of American flag suit.  Second, he claims that he voted no on the bill because it would have expanded the size of government. And if there is one absolute certainty in all of modern American politics, it's that Republicans never vote to increase the size of government.
 
2017-09-06 06:34:40 PM  
This MEANS something.

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-06 06:36:50 PM  

nmrsnr: For those who were wondering (as I was) the three are Amash (R - MI 3rd), Biggs (R - AZ 5th), and Massie (R - KY 4th).


Well I think they should join Whitman, Price and Haddad.
 
2017-09-06 06:36:58 PM  
Ahh great, my district Amash thinks if he explains his stupid votes it makes him smart.

At least I get a chance to vote him out.
 
2017-09-06 06:37:45 PM  
They voted Republican. They need to use their boot straps, same with Florida and the other red states that get hit by Irma and possibly Jose. They wanted smaller government, well, that's what it means. Besides helping others is socialism.
 
2017-09-06 06:38:32 PM  

fernt: Disaster aid bills shouldn't have anything else attached to them. It's just chickenshiat politicians hiding behind something bigger. Cowards the lot of 'em.


No kidding.  If he wants to offset the spending in the relief  bill, he's free to pursue that at any time.  But that's going to require a whole lot more negotiation and wrangling than the victims of the hurricane have right now.  So get that money out there to the people who need it and figure out where to make the cuts later if you're still so inclined and you think you can get the cuts without holding millions of lives hostage.
 
2017-09-06 06:38:54 PM  
The Northern Kentucky Chamber of Commerce tweeted out that Massie is "a piece of sh*t"
 
2017-09-06 06:43:32 PM  
I bet they vote for Trump's tax reform.
 
2017-09-06 06:43:42 PM  
In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill

A statement so stupid, it's amazing Republicans were able to utter it before twitter.

Under his logic, as long as you offset spending, then you don't have to pay for something.  It's like how you go to the grocery store and put a six pack and some t-bones in your cart, but when you get up to the cashier you can get out of paying for the beer by telling her that she has to restock the steaks.
 
2017-09-06 06:48:34 PM  

Kouta: The whole idea of the debt ceiling is stupid. It will get raised whenever the government needs to borrow more and a significant chunk of the national debt is money the federal government owes to itself. Every time it looks like it might not (or doesn't) get raised before it's reached bankers get nervous. Nervous bankers is a bad thing.

The debt ceiling only exists so politicians can use it as an excuse for why they didn't support some spending bill.


That theory might have held true.  If the US hadn't had it credit downgraded a few years ago during a showdown over the debt ceiling.
 
2017-09-06 06:49:17 PM  
Nor Miami from Irma - my prediction. Unless of course, they live in Miami.
 
2017-09-06 06:51:47 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Has anybody pointed out that if they don't raise the debt ceiling than any aid bill is meaningless?


Not only would an aid bill without a debt ceiling increase not be meaningless, it would have even more meaning.

Voting 'aye' on a hurricane aid bill shows you're compassionate.  Voting 'nay' on a debt ceiling bill shows you're conservative.  Trusting that most people wouldn't be able to associate the second vote with the reason why they never get any help from the first vote is just a sadly accurate commentary on the state of the American electorate.
 
2017-09-06 06:54:54 PM  

edmo: In other news, Paul Ryan is shocked, SHOCKED, that anyone would play politics with the debt ceiling.


Now that is funny!
 
2017-09-06 07:02:21 PM  

FormlessOne: Of course. The rest of them look like partisan hypocrites for rushing to help Harvey victims after shaking their todgers at Sandy victims and laughing. The three who voted against? They're assholes of the first water, but they at least retain their integrity.

The others? Not so much.


...well, there's a slight chance that none of the three were in Congress during Sandy, but let's check...

Amash: Nay on Sandy.
Massie: Nay on Sandy.
Biggs: Not in Congress; elected in November. Seat's Congressman at the time voted Nay on Sandy.
 
2017-09-06 07:07:11 PM  
Good. So people can see what they really are.
 
2017-09-06 07:29:07 PM  
FTA: "Democrats, seizing on their possible leverage, earlier on Wednesday said they wanted a shorter-term debt ceiling hike of three months to pair with the Harvey aid."

Stop adding riders to emergency spending bills, you stupid twaffletwats.
 
2017-09-06 07:37:44 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: "Democrats, seizing on their possible leverage, earlier on Wednesday said they wanted a shorter-term debt ceiling hike of three months to pair with the Harvey aid."

Stop adding riders to emergency spending bills, you stupid twaffletwats.


Raising the debt ceiling is an emergency. Letting the Federal Government default would cause devastation that makes Harvey look like a toddler with a squirt gun.
 
2017-09-06 07:45:57 PM  

Diogenes: In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill. Congress did not offset Wednesday's spending.

Farking idiot.

The time to draw that line is not AFTER the disaster has occurred, with another one barreling toward us.  Likewise, the time to biatch about the debt ceiling is not AFTER you spent the money we didn't have, which is what causes the need to raise it in the first place.

You want to offset disaster recovery funds with spending?  Fine.  Start a fund - today.  And fill that fund with cuts from other areas if you must.  You know...with some form of budget.  I think you can Google the word.

And maybe control your own damned spending if you want to get pissy about the debt ceiling.  Congress controls the purse.  It's all on you, dude.

What he is doing here is not "fiscal responsibility."  It's grandstanding, and nothing more.

So fark you, Amash.  And continue doing so while Americans are at risk and suffering.


He wouild imclude cutting military spending to offset right? Oh... no? Just social pr9grams
 
2017-09-06 08:08:45 PM  

Diogenes: In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill.


Sure, Japan attacked us, and Nazi Germany was a threat to the world, but why should I have to pay for a war fought by a prior generation?
 
2017-09-06 08:10:11 PM  
And I thought this was the only guy who wanted to fark Harvey survivors in the ass:

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-06 08:30:29 PM  

Mad_Radhu: And I thought this was the only guy who wanted to fark Harvey survivors in the ass:

[img.fark.net image 425x613]


WTF?
 
2017-09-06 08:34:26 PM  
It seems like it would be easy to run against the Republicans who voted against disaster relief by telling their voters they've set up their districts to be denied relief by the rest of the nation, that if they're not willing to help other Americans in a time of need, they shouldn't expect help if they ever find themselves in need.
 
2017-09-06 08:51:13 PM  

Befuddled: It seems like it would be easy to run against the Republicans who voted against disaster relief by telling their voters they've set up their districts to be denied relief by the rest of the nation, that if they're not willing to help other Americans in a time of need, they shouldn't expect help if they ever find themselves in need.


And yet

IlGreven:
Amash: Nay on Sandy.
Massie: Nay on Sandy.
Biggs: Not in Congress; elected in November. Seat's Congressman at the time voted Nay on Sandy.
 
2017-09-06 09:11:45 PM  
I wouldn't mind disaster relief being tied a "you don't get to talk about seceding for 6 months after we cut you a check" clause.
 
2017-09-06 09:27:48 PM  

LarryDan43: Diogenes: In a tweet, Amash wrote that Congress should provide disaster funding, but that it should be offset with other spending cuts to prevent future generations from having to pay for the bill. Congress did not offset Wednesday's spending.

Farking idiot.

The time to draw that line is not AFTER the disaster has occurred, with another one barreling toward us.  Likewise, the time to biatch about the debt ceiling is not AFTER you spent the money we didn't have, which is what causes the need to raise it in the first place.

You want to offset disaster recovery funds with spending?  Fine.  Start a fund - today.  And fill that fund with cuts from other areas if you must.  You know...with some form of budget.  I think you can Google the word.

And maybe control your own damned spending if you want to get pissy about the debt ceiling.  Congress controls the purse.  It's all on you, dude.

What he is doing here is not "fiscal responsibility."  It's grandstanding, and nothing more.

So fark you, Amash.  And continue doing so while Americans are at risk and suffering.

He wouild imclude cutting military spending to offset right? Oh... no? Just social pr9grams


Phone like typing detectord
 
2017-09-06 09:44:06 PM  

Mad_Radhu: And I thought this was the only guy who wanted to fark Harvey survivors in the ass:

[img.fark.net image 425x613]


Just Austin trolling people freaking out on gas..
 
2017-09-06 09:55:38 PM  

jcooli09: Befuddled: It seems like it would be easy to run against the Republicans who voted against disaster relief by telling their voters they've set up their districts to be denied relief by the rest of the nation, that if they're not willing to help other Americans in a time of need, they shouldn't expect help if they ever find themselves in need.

And yet

IlGreven:
Amash: Nay on Sandy.
Massie: Nay on Sandy.
Biggs: Not in Congress; elected in November. Seat's Congressman at the time voted Nay on Sandy.


And yet....

Both Texas Senators (Cornyn and Cruz) voted against Sandy.  Cornyn is no. 2 in the Senate and Cruz is running for re-election next year and is already considered to be the favorite (Fark It!, Fark It!, Fark It soooo much!).

As of last week Cruz was still defending his no vote on Sandy (as were some other Rs).  He claimed, as did others, that he would have voted for Sandy BUT FOR THE FACT that it was so loaded up with pork that 2/3 of the funds were for items completely unrelated to Sandy.

B-O-O-O-O-O-O-G-U-S!

The Austin American Statesman is a participating organization with Politifact.  They evaluated the claim and rated it MOSTLY FALSE.  There were some items that weren't restricted to Sandy.  However, so far all of the spending has been on Sandy related damage.  Politifact's evaluation is here.

But the danger of letting ANY extraneous items into the bill (as people are encouraging Democrats to do) is that it allows Cruz, and his ilk, to be massive dicks while appearing to be true conservatives fighting against the libby libs.

They shouldn't be given that shield.
 
2017-09-06 10:12:30 PM  
The Democrats have found a winning strategy.  Lavish Trump with praise.  He knows that providing disaster relief is wildly popular so they found a way to get him on board.  Pity the Republicans who will take that shining moment away from Trump.
 
2017-09-06 11:27:54 PM  
By this time Saturday, Harvey will be old news.  If Texans want some relief from Trump and Co, they better get it before Irma hits the mainland.
 
2017-09-07 12:42:40 PM  

IlGreven: FormlessOne: Of course. The rest of them look like partisan hypocrites for rushing to help Harvey victims after shaking their todgers at Sandy victims and laughing. The three who voted against? They're assholes of the first water, but they at least retain their integrity.

The others? Not so much.

...well, there's a slight chance that none of the three were in Congress during Sandy, but let's check...

Amash: Nay on Sandy.
Massie: Nay on Sandy.
Biggs: Not in Congress; elected in November. Seat's Congressman at the time voted Nay on Sandy.


Well, so much for that, I guess. So, no integrity at all then, just Pakled mentality. Can't even give these assholes the benefit of the doubt.
 
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