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(NBC News)   With the exception of rich, white, male Republicans most Americans have a pessimistic view of America   ( nbcnews.com) divider line
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2017-09-06 11:55:45 AM  
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2017-09-06 11:59:08 AM  
Well....yeah.  It's kinda shiatty right now and there's a lot of problems that need addressed.   Congress hasn't done shiat in a decade, while Obama, bless his heart, tried.
 
2017-09-06 12:01:14 PM  
I have a pessimistic view of Rich, White, Male Republicans.

Plus, it's hard not to be pessimistic.  Donald Trump actually won an election for US president, for fark's sake.  That doesn't exactly instill a great deal of confidence in the reason and intelligence of the American people.
 
2017-09-06 12:04:44 PM  
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2017-09-06 12:08:37 PM  
I read that as "moist Americans."

1. Ewww
2.  I need more coffee.
 
2017-09-06 12:09:57 PM  
How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?
 
2017-09-06 12:21:20 PM  
Maybe get out and vote in the next election, perhaps try and change the outcome this time?

Oh, who am i kidding.
 
2017-09-06 12:22:13 PM  

Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?


If it's any consolation, by your statement, they voted more for his opponent. Unfortunately he won by technicality
 
2017-09-06 12:22:37 PM  

stan unusual: I read that as "moist Americans."

1. Ewww
2.  I need more coffee.


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2017-09-06 12:23:34 PM  

Aar1012: Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?

If it's any consolation, by your statement, they voted more for his opponent. Unfortunately he won by technicality


Which doesn't make me feel any better cause this exact same scenario will replay itself in my lifetime, and that farking sucks.
 
2017-09-06 12:25:10 PM  
I'll reserve my optimism that anything has actually changed until after a few elections to see if these pessimistic Americans do anything besides complain about reality.
 
2017-09-06 12:25:41 PM  

Ambivalence: I have a pessimistic view of Rich, White, Male Republicans.

Plus, it's hard not to be pessimistic.  Donald Trump actually won an election for US president, for fark's sake.  That doesn't exactly instill a great deal of confidence in the reason and intelligence of the American people.


Except for being rich, a man of the people.
 
2017-09-06 12:26:13 PM  
That's because the entire government is practically designed to give a life-long hand job to anybody rich and white.

Of course, the Republican party also gives blowjobs and anal to those guys too.
 
2017-09-06 12:26:13 PM  
Don't forget nazis. They are mostly poor.
 
2017-09-06 12:27:16 PM  

stan unusual: I read that as "moist Americans."

1. Ewww
2.  I need more coffee.


Soggy is in vogue.
 
2017-09-06 12:27:21 PM  
Eh, lighten up.

The problems we face today seem bound and determined to fix themselves over a few years time.
 
2017-09-06 12:27:50 PM  
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Next question should have been "when did you last travel outside the United States?"
 
2017-09-06 12:28:18 PM  
So America is great again.

Trump: Mission Accomplished. Now watch this drive.
 
2017-09-06 12:28:29 PM  
Checking the Topline release linked in TFA...

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.
 
2017-09-06 12:28:33 PM  

...really?! We just watched our president side with goddamned Nazis!


Tell me, what outlook would one have, honestly? We went from watching a president - the moron son of a previous president - shyster his way into the White House, only to drag the country into over a decade and a half of goddamned war. We oust the guy, get an intelligent, patriotic, optimistic guy into the White House, only to watch in horror as racists and fascists crawl out of the woodwork and attack him because he's African-American and intelligent even as a GOP-led Congress goes full knuckle-dragger and either obstructs or flat-out refuses to do anything because that guy's blah and Democrat. We then watch in horror as the GOP colludes with Russia and abuses their elected offices to subvert the last election just to get an easily-manipulated, 70-year-old narcissistic buffoon in place, complete with conservative Christian fallback guy, and pushes the kind of hate and stupidity you'd expect from a Mussolini or a Duterte - with the goddamned support of the majority party.

We've had nearly two decades of conflict, and obstructionism, and hate, and fear, and police militarization, and abuses of power unheard of since the goddamned Teapot Dome, and you're surprised that we're not "optimistic?" You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.
 
2017-09-06 12:29:21 PM  

Captain Shaky: Eh, lighten up.

The problems we face today seem bound and determined to fix themselves over a few years time.


Yeah, a lot of problems suddenly go away when everybody's dead.
 
2017-09-06 12:30:14 PM  

raerae1980: Aar1012: Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?

If it's any consolation, by your statement, they voted more for his opponent. Unfortunately he won by technicality

Which doesn't make me feel any better cause this exact same scenario will replay itself in my lifetime, and that farking sucks.


In fact, this exact scenario is already a replay of 2000.
 
2017-09-06 12:31:14 PM  

FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.


Yeah it's gonna take an economic crash for this to happen. And then for them to sit on their thumbs and say "but [insert excuse here]!" And John McCain will say "we have to be stately and put the needs of the people first so we can get the American people back to work" before voting to not vote on something that might help if anyone funded it.
 
2017-09-06 12:32:27 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.

Yeah it's gonna take an economic crash for this to happen. And then for them to sit on their thumbs and say "but [insert excuse here]!" And John McCain will say "we have to be stately and put the needs of the people first so we can get the American people back to work" before voting to not vote on something that might help if anyone funded it.


Good thing we're about to plow into the debt ceiling for the first time in history!
 
2017-09-06 12:32:50 PM  

FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.


And that's probably what it will take to get anything fixed.
 
2017-09-06 12:33:01 PM  

Bowen: [img.fark.net image 425x134]

Next question should have been "when did you last travel outside the United States?"


Most of those 28% answer "does epcot count?"
 
2017-09-06 12:33:29 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.

Yeah it's gonna take an economic crash for this to happen. And then for them to sit on their thumbs and say "but [insert excuse here]!" And John McCain will say "we have to be stately and put the needs of the people first so we can get the American people back to work" before voting to not vote on something that might help if anyone funded it.


Like that isn't coming. Like the stock market won't take a multi-thousand-point-dive the second Trump decides it's perfectly acceptable to conduct a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea - after all, to paraphrase Trump, "we've got nukes - why can't we use them?"
 
2017-09-06 12:33:42 PM  
My opinion has gotten far more pessimistic since Charlottesville.

These assholes are *younger* than I am.  Like, half my age.  They're KIDS, marching with torches and shouting at synagogues and chanting white power slogans.

For fark's sake, the generation after mine was supposed to be LESS racist, not more.

Fark white nationalism.
 
2017-09-06 12:34:11 PM  

Aar1012: If it's any consolation, by your statement, they voted more for his opponent. Unfortunately he won by technicality


There's no technicality about it. It's more by "baroque proceedure".

Regardless, his continued presidency also means that the majority have decided to continue under the rule of law, rather than resorting to violent overthrow of social institutions to prevent that baroque procedure from ever resulting in another such aberration... possibly in part because it is not clear what alternative means would be less likely to produce such aberrations, not to mention the immense cost usually associated with violent overthrow of social institutions.
 
2017-09-06 12:34:47 PM  
I'm pessimistic that we're going to stop electing Republicans.

After GWB, that shiat should have leveled off and declined.

But noooooooo....
 
2017-09-06 12:35:18 PM  

Serious Black: Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.

Yeah it's gonna take an economic crash for this to happen. And then for them to sit on their thumbs and say "but [insert excuse here]!" And John McCain will say "we have to be stately and put the needs of the people first so we can get the American people back to work" before voting to not vote on something that might help if anyone funded it.

Good thing we're about to plow into the debt ceiling for the first time in history!


There won't be an economic crash. At all. As long as they include all the money for building wall. If not, then well maybe a shutdown. This message approved by the Trump for President campaign.
 
2017-09-06 12:43:10 PM  

FormlessOne: ...really?! We just watched our president side with goddamned Nazis!
Tell me, what outlook would one have, honestly? We went from watching a president - the moron son of a previous president - shyster his way into the White House, only to drag the country into over a decade and a half of goddamned war. We oust the guy, get an intelligent, patriotic, optimistic guy into the White House, only to watch in horror as racists and fascists crawl out of the woodwork and attack him because he's African-American and intelligent even as a GOP-led Congress goes full knuckle-dragger and either obstructs or flat-out refuses to do anything because that guy's blah and Democrat. We then watch in horror as the GOP colludes with Russia and abuses their elected offices to subvert the last election just to get an easily-manipulated, 70-year-old narcissistic buffoon in place, complete with conservative Christian fallback guy, and pushes the kind of hate and stupidity you'd expect from a Mussolini or a Duterte - with the goddamned support of the majority party.

We've had nearly two decades of conflict, and obstructionism, and hate, and fear, and police militarization, and abuses of power unheard of since the goddamned Teapot Dome, and you're surprised that we're not "optimistic?" You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.


Just wanting to point out that TFS was done prior to the Charlottesville remarks, so that and the Harvey response aren't figured in yet.

Carry on,  though. The rest is spot on.
 
2017-09-06 12:44:46 PM  

FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.



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2017-09-06 12:45:36 PM  

Serious Black: raerae1980: Aar1012: Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?

If it's any consolation, by your statement, they voted more for his opponent. Unfortunately he won by technicality

Which doesn't make me feel any better cause this exact same scenario will replay itself in my lifetime, and that farking sucks.

In fact, this exact scenario is already a replay of 2000.


I know.   I was thinking about it.    So, yeah, twice already in my lifetime this shiat has happened.   Prior to that it was, what, over a century?
 
2017-09-06 12:48:34 PM  

Douggernaut: Captain Shaky: Eh, lighten up.

The problems we face today seem bound and determined to fix themselves over a few years time.

Yeah, a lot of problems suddenly go away when everybody's dead.


See?!?

That's the pessimism I was talking about.

Politically we will go leftward soon. Maybe not as soon as many of us would like, but soon. I promise.

It will be REALLY hard to convince voters to return to THIS. So the GOP will have to reinvent itself.

Happier days are ahead.
 
2017-09-06 12:50:21 PM  
It's always been good to be rich and white in America. And of course, "male" gives you the extra juice if you should happen to get in trouble.

It's why almost every president has been rich and white. And of course, the first one that wasn't white, the nation had to be punished for, so ... President Joffrey. One of the worst examples of "rich," "white" and "male" in recent memory as well as a walking definition of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
 
2017-09-06 12:50:25 PM  

Captain Shaky: Douggernaut: Captain Shaky: Eh, lighten up.

The problems we face today seem bound and determined to fix themselves over a few years time.

Yeah, a lot of problems suddenly go away when everybody's dead.

See?!?

That's the pessimism I was talking about.

Politically we will go leftward soon. Maybe not as soon as many of us would like, but soon. I promise.

It will be REALLY hard to convince voters to return to THIS. So the GOP will have to reinvent itself.

Happier days are ahead.


The cost has alreadybeen too great and it's not going to get cheaper.  The prospect of building something better from the ashes doesn't strike me as something to look forward to.
 
2017-09-06 12:51:34 PM  

Captain Shaky: Douggernaut: Captain Shaky: Eh, lighten up.

The problems we face today seem bound and determined to fix themselves over a few years time.

Yeah, a lot of problems suddenly go away when everybody's dead.

See?!?

That's the pessimism I was talking about.

Politically we will go leftward soon. Maybe not as soon as many of us would like, but soon. I promise.

It will be REALLY hard to convince voters to return to THIS. So the GOP will have to reinvent itself.

Happier days are ahead.


Oh look, a time traveller from 2005!
 
2017-09-06 12:56:03 PM  
The social compact has been broken. It's like believing in Santa clause. Once you know the truth, you can never go back.
 
2017-09-06 12:59:16 PM  

Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?


This. Over 60 million Americans voted for this farkstick to lead the country. It's damned hard to find any optimism given that fact.

Ambivalence: I have a pessimistic view of Rich, White, Male Republicans.


White males supported Trump by a 2 to 1 margin.
/wtf, white guys?
//white guy
 
2017-09-06 01:01:14 PM  
Still the best country to live in...so far..
I hope the Trump nightmare passes... I hope he is either removed from office and then dragged away by horses by  his hair thing.
 
2017-09-06 01:01:56 PM  

litespeed74: Still the best country to live in...so far..
I hope the Trump nightmare passes... I hope he is either removed from office and then dragged away by horses by  his hair thing.


No, it's not and stop spewing lies like this.
 
2017-09-06 01:02:09 PM  

patrick767: Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?

This. Over 60 million Americans voted for this farkstick to lead the country. It's damned hard to find any optimism given that fact.

Ambivalence: I have a pessimistic view of Rich, White, Male Republicans.

White males supported Trump by a 2 to 1 margin.
/wtf, white guys?
//white guy


WTF indeed.

/white guy who voted for Hilldawg
//Barrack before that
///though was probably kicked out of the club around the time those "fine people" were chanting Seig Heil in Charlottesville.
 
2017-09-06 01:04:11 PM  
It could possibly be because they're being told Nazis are taking over the country, but only briefly before it is obliterated by a nuclear weapon, which is the only thing that can stop literally Adolf Trump from murdering them.
 
2017-09-06 01:05:06 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: You should be glad that millions haven't descended on the Capitol and burned it to the goddamned ground in sheer rage.

Yeah it's gonna take an economic crash for this to happen. And then for them to sit on their thumbs and say "but [insert excuse here]!" And John McCain will say "we have to be stately and put the needs of the people first so we can get the American people back to work" before voting to not vote on something that might help if anyone funded it.


The thing is, that economic crash is inevitable. That's the hidden beauty of this situation. The business cycle was already on the way to a downward slide, simply as a matter of the usual rhythm of booms and busts. That's not Trump's fault. But Trump and his minions will predictably mismanage the imminent recession, and it will be very interesting to see what happens then.
 
2017-09-06 01:05:37 PM  

Jonnadiah: patrick767: Serious Black: How optimistic should I be about a country whose residents elected the current president?

This. Over 60 million Americans voted for this farkstick to lead the country. It's damned hard to find any optimism given that fact.

Ambivalence: I have a pessimistic view of Rich, White, Male Republicans.

White males supported Trump by a 2 to 1 margin.
/wtf, white guys?
//white guy

WTF indeed.

/white guy who voted for Hilldawg
//Barrack before that
///though was probably kicked out of the club around the time those "fine people" were chanting Seig Heil in Charlottesville.


Me too. We should start a new club, one with blackjack, and hookers.
 
2017-09-06 01:06:39 PM  

skyotter: For fark's sake, the generation after mine was supposed to be LESS racist, not more.


That's the triumph of hope over experience.
 
2017-09-06 01:07:24 PM  
Sample question

What do you think of NBC's fall lineup compared with CBS and ABC?
 
2017-09-06 01:08:58 PM  
I'd have a pessimistic view of any country that allowed a moron like Trump to become its leader.
 
2017-09-06 01:09:17 PM  

abb3w: Checking the Topline release linked in TFA...

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.


Q25 isn't really surprising. It says you only pick one or two statements and folks who are "traditional" marriage folks feel pretty strongly about it.
 
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