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2017-09-06 12:18:22 PM  
Topline Release.

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.
 
2017-09-06 12:22:33 PM  
Says the media outlet that has poisoned the well for the last 20+ years.

Fauk you, Faux.
 
2017-09-06 12:26:06 PM  
This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.
 
2017-09-06 12:29:23 PM  

abb3w: Topline Release.

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.


Why?
 
2017-09-06 12:42:38 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Why?


The majority say they are comfortable with the country changing; that's bad for conservatives trying to turn back the clock.

The top two "identity politics" issues mentioned are marriage traditionalist and gun supporter. (Pro life isn't far behind.) That's a massive chunk of the population likely to have a deep-seated resistance to the direction that Democrats seem to be trying to take the country.

And the country is evenly split between "vote for" and "vote against" voters within the near even split on both sides. That's a lot of people not inclined to be happy no matter who wins. which seems a condition conducive to some large fraction deciding to abandon the current social convention for policy decisions, in favor of something else; and "something else" historically has tended to involve something more violent.
 
2017-09-06 12:44:20 PM  
"Republicans saw the split as political, with people divided based on their party affiliation, and as a function of which media outlets they follow. "

Most people aren't really following any media. A hardcore slice on each side does but most are getting their news from their preferred echo chamber: Social media, website, the bar, coworkers, etc. Very few people actually know anything about an issue but most know why they're party is right. Go figure.
 
2017-09-06 12:55:57 PM  
"WHITE PEOPLE BE AFRAID" -Fox News
 
2017-09-06 12:58:30 PM  
Let's just let the Republican party run the show and go along with whatever they want. And then once the country is a Republican paradise, we'll never vote for any of them ever again.
 
2017-09-06 01:24:14 PM  
Think. Another think coming. Judas Priest is fine, though.
 
2017-09-06 01:27:47 PM  
Can we invade the red states, conquer them, and enslave them all? Black, white, red, just make them all our indentured servants. They obviously can't make decisions for themselves, so it's time to hit the rock pile. Democracy doesn't work, so I think it's time to split things up based on capabilities.
 
2017-09-06 01:31:10 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Says the media outlet that has poisoned the well for the last 20+ years.

Fauk you, Faux.


this, 

abb3w: Topline Release.

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.


Q25 should actually terrify both parties. 

Even though support for BLM is low at 14%, There are almost as many supporters of BLM as for the NRA (18%)
 
2017-09-06 01:31:11 PM  
not a bad article considering the source
 
2017-09-06 01:31:47 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: abb3w: Topline Release.

Q15 should really terrify Republicans. Q25 should alarm Democrats. QF1 should disturb both, but probably not surprise either.

Why?


Q15 - Because a majority of Americans align with the more inclusive identity politics of the democrats and a definitively minority group agrees with the more nationalist view pushed by the Trumpian wing of the Republicans- i.e. The base.

Q25 - I guess because NRA membership was a bigger deal than any kind of environmental or union protection.

QF1 - because a large chunk of voters voted based on negative identity of the opponent than positive feelings for the party's rep.
 
2017-09-06 01:33:06 PM  

Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.


That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.
 
2017-09-06 01:35:50 PM  
I <FoxNews> wonder <FoxNews>  why?
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2017-09-06 01:36:43 PM  
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2017-09-06 01:37:24 PM  

Voiceofreason01: "WHITE PEOPLE BE AFRAID" -Fox News


As a white person, it sickens me how easy that seems to be.
 
2017-09-06 01:38:55 PM  

edmo: "Republicans saw the split as political, with people divided based on their party affiliation, and as a function of which media outlets they follow. "

Most people aren't really following any media. A hardcore slice on each side does but most are getting their news from their preferred echo chamber: Social media, website, the bar, coworkers, etc. Very few people actually know anything about an issue but most know why they're party is right. Go figure.


Far too much of this going on, absolutely.
 
2017-09-06 01:39:46 PM  
I still say we should divide the country in half and then give people a one time payment to settle in on the side they align with.
 
2017-09-06 01:40:59 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.


Higher cost of living, too, generally, unless you're in a deep-red section of a blue state.

/New Yorker
//houses can be had upstate, right on a lake, for $150k if you don't mind a few confederate flags
///$150k is a 20% down payment on a 2 bedroom co-op in my neck of the woods....Manhattan adjacent
 
2017-09-06 01:46:00 PM  
Aisle? Hell, try the other side of the family.

My grandmother has it in her head for one last big family get-together before she dies, so she decided that we should all come to my neck of the woods this Thanksgiving. (That was her idea, too.) I can get along with most of my relations, but the dyed-in-the-wool-Faux-News-talking-point-reciting uncle of mine and his brood will also be attending.

The over-under right now on a brawl requiring police response is "before he even gets out of the car."
 
2017-09-06 01:48:21 PM  

Jonnadiah: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.

Higher cost of living, too, generally, unless you're in a deep-red section of a blue state.

/New Yorker
//houses can be had upstate, right on a lake, for $150k if you don't mind a few confederate flags
///$150k is a 20% down payment on a 2 bedroom co-op in my neck of the woods....Manhattan adjacent


Massachusetts is the spot to meet his criteria. The northern part of the pioneer valley and the berkshires are some of the most liberal parts of the state. Home prices are relatively cheap.
 
2017-09-06 01:51:38 PM  
Pick a team and start cheering
 
2017-09-06 01:52:03 PM  

abb3w: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: Why?

The majority say they are comfortable with the country changing; that's bad for conservatives trying to turn back the clock.

The top two "identity politics" issues mentioned are marriage traditionalist and gun supporter. (Pro life isn't far behind.) That's a massive chunk of the population likely to have a deep-seated resistance to the direction that Democrats seem to be trying to take the country.

And the country is evenly split between "vote for" and "vote against" voters within the near even split on both sides. That's a lot of people not inclined to be happy no matter who wins. which seems a condition conducive to some large fraction deciding to abandon the current social convention for policy decisions, in favor of something else; and "something else" historically has tended to involve something more violent.


I'd be curious to see how many of those 'traditional marriage' supporters are actually Christians that bought into the whole 'marriage is a divine gift from God!' routine and would otherwise be fine with samesex unions if they used a different word to describe them.

As for the gun supporter bit, I dunno...I'm pretty pro-gun. If you are a safe sane individual, I don't give the slightest fark if you want to own and use firearms. It's just the seeming insistence by the NRA that *everyone* should have the right to bear arms constantly and at all times that strikes me as a bit excessive. IMHO, no, not everyone should be permitted to own firearms. And no, common sense should be involved in the carrying of them.

/I half suspect the NRA would fight for the right of mental institution clients to own firearms if they though it'd play.
//But...but...what if someone barges into their 'room'??? Don't they have a right to defend themselves?? What's a little paranoid schizophrenia to do with anything??
///Admittedly, the fetishization of firearms is pretty bizarre to me too...
 
2017-09-06 01:53:05 PM  
Ya, it's almost like near half the country only gets its marching orders from a select few "entertainment" sites and never bother with critical thinking or study.

And here is what is so mystifying; God himself has already weighed in? A person doesn't even needto do research when the good/evil lines are so clear!
 
2017-09-06 01:59:07 PM  
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There was plenty of 'Good People on Both Sides' and Whataboutism going on around a half century ago.

History shook that out for us.

"But it was the Demoncraps who were the racists," some might say.

History shook that out as well. Nixon ran the Southern Strategy and people realigned themselves to the party that supported their agenda. So now we have this.

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It's all Trump voters, all the way down, chanting "Jews will not replace us," while they forget the reason they were there: to defend a statue put up in the Jim Crow era in order to further intimidate black people.
 
2017-09-06 01:59:42 PM  

sillydragon: /I half suspect the NRA would fight for the right of mental institution clients to own firearms if they though it'd play.


Civil rights should never be taken away without due process.  If you voluntarily commit yourself without any judicial review I do not see how you can exclude such individuals from owning firearms.
 
2017-09-06 02:01:50 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.


I moved from a blue state to a red state to take a job in my field.  I will have to stick it out for at least 5 years, but as soon as I have money saved to move back or close to home, I will be looking for a job in my field in a blue state.  I lived in a conservative area of a blue state, but it was still better than this.
 
2017-09-06 02:02:05 PM  
Ah yes, Kansas' medical woes and such come to mind.
"I hate obamacare, but dun take away my Kansas healthcare!" and welp, it's gone....

Not much of a paradise, is it?
And I am stuck in Texas, wishing the state government would stop trying to control all of the local governments and the people they represent.  They may "hate" federal control, but that appears to be only until they can have power over others as the state is trying to micro manage local governments, which in turn, are republican ruled in most cases, arguing against the state governments so that the locals can have power...

I see a pattern.
 
2017-09-06 02:06:02 PM  

Bazolar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.

I moved from a blue state to a red state to take a job in my field.  I will have to stick it out for at least 5 years, but as soon as I have money saved to move back or close to home, I will be looking for a job in my field in a blue state.  I lived in a conservative area of a blue state, but it was still better than this.


I really do not see how red state blue state really matters at all.  I can understand urban vs rural.  I really hate going into cities, too many people, too many buildings, not enough vistas... and urban not having their usual fair to do.
 
2017-09-06 02:09:51 PM  
If you parse the numbers, you seem to find that Democratic opinion on issues remains relatively stable and consistent regardless of who is in the WH. The only significant variation is with approval of the current president, which should be obvious and self-evident given how shiatty the contemporary Republican presidents have been.

Republican or right-leaning voters, on the other hand, seem to quite literally base their entire world view on who holds the highest offices in our country. If a Democratic president/legislature advocates for something, it's all bad. If a Republican president/legislature advocate for the same exact thing, it's all good.
 
2017-09-06 02:11:54 PM  
The scary/sad/ridiculous thing about it all is that right now, you can almost tell where someone stands on all issues just by asking where they stand on one. Someone who denies climate change almost certainly thinks that ALL Lives Matter and they're dead set against abortion and for prayer in schools.
Meanwhile, a guy who wants to legalize marijuana is also probably pro-DACA, against tax cuts for the rich, and supportive of green energy initiatives. The two sides have taken a position on these things and they brainwash their constituents into following in lockstep.
 
2017-09-06 02:12:45 PM  
It's "another think coming".

Know your idioms.
 
2017-09-06 02:15:24 PM  

Saiga410: Bazolar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.

I moved from a blue state to a red state to take a job in my field.  I will have to stick it out for at least 5 years, but as soon as I have money saved to move back or close to home, I will be looking for a job in my field in a blue state.  I lived in a conservative area of a blue state, but it was still better than this.

I really do not see how red state blue state really matters at all.  I can understand urban vs rural.  I really hate going into cities, too many people, too many buildings, not enough vistas... and urban not having their usual fair to do.


What's a "fair to do"?
 
2017-09-06 02:17:49 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Let's just let the Republican party run the show and go along with whatever they want. And then once the country is a Republican paradise, we'll never vote for any of them ever again.


As a native of Houston, I'm looking at the immigration issues, the storm, the flooding, the knowledge of the short staffed construction industry and who really does that type of work in Texas, watching the biggest storm like ever headed quite possibly for the mainland US with FEMA running out of money on Friday, and wondering: are we there yet?
 
2017-09-06 02:18:36 PM  
Looks like those clowns in Congress did it again...
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2017-09-06 02:23:02 PM  
I'll stick with the side that uses the examples of real-life outcomes and the best available data and science as the basis for making policy.
 
2017-09-06 02:23:40 PM  

blastoh: Even though support for BLM is low at 14%,


I would think that this number would be even lower with all the lies and bullsh*ttery Faux, BreitFart and other conservative sphincters have done to white people in flyover country. Their stock in trade is disinformation.
 
2017-09-06 02:23:42 PM  

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.


I suggest looking at the area surrounding Santa Cruz, California. Pretty temperate climate, sunnier than most of the coastal areas to the north and there are lots of retirement communities in the area as well as still having some decent real estate deals if you look hard enough. Good luck!
 
2017-09-06 02:23:51 PM  

Saiga410: sillydragon: /I half suspect the NRA would fight for the right of mental institution clients to own firearms if they though it'd play.

Civil rights should never be taken away without due process.  If you voluntarily commit yourself without any judicial review I do not see how you can exclude such individuals from owning firearms.


the nra is fine with people who smoke weed being denied that right but crazy people and terrorists would be taking away too much freedom.
 
2017-09-06 02:24:22 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Says the media outlet that has poisoned the well for the last 20+ years.

Fauk you, Faux.


Although this is a Fox link, the poll itself was conducted by NBC, so...
 
2017-09-06 02:25:30 PM  
It's enough to make you wonder why a right-wing media outlet would push a narrative that tells its followers that everything comes down to opinion with no hard facts to work from but also tells liberals that apathy is the correct course and you can't make a difference so you shouldn't even try.
 
2017-09-06 02:25:46 PM  
Not to be all conceited and shiat, but according to several standardized tests, there is literally less than a 1% chance they could have even started out as smart as I am. And I am dumb as hell, if I do say so myself. So we are pretty much farked unless an honest-to-goodness benevolent super genius takes the reins.

/Yes, I know.
//Don't bother.
///Unless you have literally nothing else to do.
 
2017-09-06 02:28:11 PM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Says the media outlet that has poisoned the well for the last 20+ years.

Fauk you, Faux.


Though Fox is part of the problem, they're not the only problem. Endless partisan bickering has perverted all news organizations. It's a political death match. The "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality coupled with political rhetoric and lack of useful information is a problem. You also have clowns like Rush Limbaugh who tells people that weather forecasts are "fake news" to push the Democrat agenda of Climate Change. It's to the point where the anti-Climate Change crowd hears the term "Carbon Dioxide" and they start seething.
I listened to NPR this morning and Ben Carson was the guest. The journalist asked him how HUD is going to helped displaced citizens and he went into this diatribe about using HUD to get people off government-assisted housing. Yeah, Ben farking Carson actually insinuated he would use the hurricane as an opportunity to get people out of HUD housing. The woman interviewing started stumbling her words because she couldn't believe her ears. Zero information on how HUD will help people. Just his deeply held political beliefs.
All the major news networks farked us by dropping their journalistic integrity for ratings and advertising dollars. Politicians are rarely challenged. They get on camera, regurgitate their talking points and split without being challenged. We end up with an electorate with limited knowledge that falls for a politician with a silver tongue.
 
2017-09-06 02:30:37 PM  
I just hope that America doesn't become a Victim of Changes, resulting in Breakin' the Law and causing the populace to go Hellbent for Leather.
 
2017-09-06 02:32:46 PM  

Archidude: Saiga410: Bazolar: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.

I moved from a blue state to a red state to take a job in my field.  I will have to stick it out for at least 5 years, but as soon as I have money saved to move back or close to home, I will be looking for a job in my field in a blue state.  I lived in a conservative area of a blue state, but it was still better than this.

I really do not see how red state blue state really matters at all.  I can understand urban vs rural.  I really hate going into cities, too many people, too many buildings, not enough vistas... and urban not having their usual fair to do.

What's a "fair to do"?


should be fare.  Homonyms trip me up.  Food, entertainment, general stuff to do and enjoy.
 
2017-09-06 02:34:46 PM  

Headso: Saiga410: sillydragon: /I half suspect the NRA would fight for the right of mental institution clients to own firearms if they though it'd play.

Civil rights should never be taken away without due process.  If you voluntarily commit yourself without any judicial review I do not see how you can exclude such individuals from owning firearms.

the nra is fine with people who smoke weed being denied that right but crazy people and terrorists would be taking away too much freedom.


Do you due process?
 
2017-09-06 02:49:56 PM  

Saiga410: Headso: Saiga410: sillydragon: /I half suspect the NRA would fight for the right of mental institution clients to own firearms if they though it'd play.

Civil rights should never be taken away without due process.  If you voluntarily commit yourself without any judicial review I do not see how you can exclude such individuals from owning firearms.

the nra is fine with people who smoke weed being denied that right but crazy people and terrorists would be taking away too much freedom.

Do you due process?


you smoke legal or medical cannabis and admit to it on the form and no gun rights for you and nra response: suck it libs blue lives matter.
 
2017-09-06 02:50:14 PM  

dailygrinds: Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Rand Paul's Anus is Leaking: This is a result of media manipulation causing self-sorting into blue areas and red areas.  Blue areas are getting bluer and red areas are getting redder.

Trump's regime will definitely accelerate liberals moving to blue STATES not just blue areas within red states.  You know your rights and that of your loved ones are better protected in a blue state and in a red state you're on your own, socially economically and psychologically.

That's true in my case. I'm pushing 60 and starting to think about a place to live after I retire that's cheaper and sunnier than NW Oregon. Being in a blue state is high on my list of criteria, even thought it will probably mean higher state taxes.

I suggest looking at the area surrounding Santa Cruz, California. Pretty temperate climate, sunnier than most of the coastal areas to the north and there are lots of retirement communities in the area as well as still having some decent real estate deals if you look hard enough. Good luck!


I appreciate your suggestion. I love the Central Coast - lived in the San Luis Obispo area for many years and had family in Capitola. Always enjoyed our visits to Monterey and Carmel. Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond my control (my spouse coming down with a chronic illness and me not being able to afford to save very much for retirement) I'm thinking more "750 square foot condo for less than 100 grand" affordable rather than Central Coast affordable.

Wish my financial circumstances were better, but that's my life.
 
2017-09-06 02:57:50 PM  

sillydragon: I'd be curious to see how many of those 'traditional marriage' supporters are actually Christians that bought into the whole 'marriage is a divine gift from God!' routine and would otherwise be fine with samesex unions if they used a different word to describe them.


From some past polls, possibly one in three. However, as the question wording is about how people primarily identify themselves, and given the absolute level relative to other past polls, I suspect it would be nearer to one in ten.

sillydragon: As for the gun supporter bit, I dunno...I'm pretty pro-gun.


Yes, but is "NRA supporter" in the "one or two that best describe you"? From the rest of your remarks, no.
 
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