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(Fox News)   Fox News answers the question: What is DACA? Also, why does Trump want to dismantle it? Also, what does "dismantle" mean? Also, where does all this drool on my chin come from? Also, can I eat my toenails?   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2017-09-05 01:27:33 PM  
That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?
 
2017-09-05 01:35:56 PM  
Next on Fox & Friends: Are boogers a food group?
 
2017-09-05 01:47:24 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?


Must be a mistake. Look for it to be revised by later on tonight when the Prime Time hosts describe how the Dreamers were responsible for 9/11.
 
2017-09-05 01:47:29 PM  
What are jalapeños? Also, what are poppers? Also, what are jalapeño poppers?
 
2017-09-05 01:55:44 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?


Right? I kept having to double check that I was reading the correct article.
 
2017-09-05 02:01:43 PM  
Attorney Gen. Jeff Sessions blasted the Obama administration's "disrespect for the legislative process"

If I recall correctly, this was after some years of trying in vain to get Congress to even discuss Immigration Reform.

EABOD, Sessions.
 
2017-09-05 02:11:00 PM  
I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.
 
2017-09-05 02:40:13 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.


That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.
 
2017-09-05 02:50:50 PM  

MrBallou: If I recall correctly, this was after some years of trying in vain to get Congress to even discuss Immigration Reform.


Or, alternatively, for Congress to fund ICE and the courts at the levels required. Which may be have been politically difficult in part because increasing spending on a program that removes productive tax-payers from the country (and the tax rolls) tends to get a really bad budget score.

Instead, the executive formalized one form of prosecutorial discretion.

Of course, we all know President Trump's contempt for the notion of "discretion".
 
2017-09-05 02:56:12 PM  

tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.


Oh yes, which also explains his belief that 'the wrong side' won the Civil War.

Interestingly, though, his libertarian views have significantly hardened since he has moved to Tennessee.
 
2017-09-05 02:58:26 PM  

abb3w: MrBallou: If I recall correctly, this was after some years of trying in vain to get Congress to even discuss Immigration Reform.

Or, alternatively, for Congress to fund ICE and the courts at the levels required. Which may be have been politically difficult in part because increasing spending on a program that removes productive tax-payers from the country (and the tax rolls) tends to get a really bad budget score.

Instead, the executive formalized one form of prosecutorial discretion.

Of course, we all know President Trump's contempt for the notion of "discretion".


He's likely to develop a dislike for the term "prosecutorial" real soon, too.
 
2017-09-05 03:06:18 PM  

tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.


It had a huge affect on "Federalism," where the States and Federal governments were supposed to be on close-to-equal footing. It's been chipped away more and more over the years with other amendments and court cases.  The problem is when left to their own devices, states tend to be assholes to their residents.
 
2017-09-05 03:14:19 PM  

MrBallou: He's likely to develop a dislike for the term "prosecutorial" real soon, too.


He's had one for some time, by all evidence; however, it may be in for an epic growth spurt.
 
2017-09-05 03:15:36 PM  

kevlar51: tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.

It had a huge affect on "Federalism," where the States and Federal governments were supposed to be on close-to-equal footing. It's been chipped away more and more over the years with other amendments and court cases.  The problem is when left to their own devices, states tend to be assholes to their residents.


States are cheaper for Big Business to buy, than the Federal Government is.
 
2017-09-05 03:25:26 PM  

MrBallou: Attorney Gen. Jeff Sessions blasted the Obama administration's "disrespect for the legislative process"

If I recall correctly, this was after some years of trying in vain to get Congress to even discuss Immigration Reform.

EABOD, Sessions.


The Dem House had a bill passed back in '10, Senate GOP killed it. Senate had one in 13, GOP House killed it. This should go real well with GOP controlling both, in turns for 8 yrs falling all over themselves to obstruct rather than legislate, they've forgotten how to legislate. They have six months. Tee hee hee, good luck, see you in March.
 
2017-09-05 03:40:53 PM  
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"I smoke Elvis Presley's toenails when I wanna get high!"


Also... fark FOX News and their viewers.
 
2017-09-05 03:52:19 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next on Fox & Friends: Are boogers a food group?


They are to my 6 year old.
 
2017-09-05 03:52:43 PM  
Hey man, you make fun, but it keeps me limber.
 
2017-09-05 03:57:21 PM  
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2017-09-05 03:57:27 PM  
Easier to kick them out before the wall goes up I guess.
 
2017-09-05 03:58:01 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next on Fox & Friends: Are boogers a food group?


I'd like to remind you that pepper spray is essentially a food product.
 
2017-09-05 03:58:05 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.


I'm pretty sure they can count to 14. It's a very important number for them, because they're such fine people.

/on many sides
 
Ant
2017-09-05 03:59:42 PM  

Serious Black: What are jalapeños? Also, what are poppers? Also, what are jalapeño poppers?


Something that needs to make a comeback. Jalapeno poppers with jalapeno jelly... mmmm...
 
2017-09-05 04:00:19 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?


I've got it - Fox and Congress know that Donnie only gets his briefings from Fox. So, Congress, not wanting this poo-storm to come down on their heads, are using their influence as well as they can to have Fox put an educational piece in front of Captain Smallhands.

It's kind of when my wife makes dinner and sneaks spinach in a larger mixture so the kids and I don't complain.

/Eat your veggie's little Donnie!
/Next up - naptime!
/three
 
2017-09-05 04:00:44 PM  

sno man: MrBallou: Attorney Gen. Jeff Sessions blasted the Obama administration's "disrespect for the legislative process"

If I recall correctly, this was after some years of trying in vain to get Congress to even discuss Immigration Reform.

EABOD, Sessions.

The Dem House had a bill passed back in '10, Senate GOP killed it. Senate had one in 13, GOP House killed it. This should go real well with GOP controlling both, in turns for 8 yrs falling all over themselves to obstruct rather than legislate, they've forgotten how to legislate. They have six months. Tee hee hee, good luck, see you in March.


And all those GOP know their choice is now having video of dreamers forcibly arrested and deported, with all the stories running all summer long prior to the midterms, or passing a law that will get them primaried.

Sleep in the bed you made, assholes.
 
2017-09-05 04:01:17 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Or they would if they could count to 14.


Shouldn't be too difficult if they took off their shoes. There's got to be at least that many toes there.
/maybe teeth
 
2017-09-05 04:02:26 PM  

kevlar51: tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.

It had a huge affect on "Federalism," where the States and Federal governments were supposed to be on close-to-equal footing. It's been chipped away more and more over the years with other amendments and court cases.  The problem is when left to their own devices, states tend to be assholes to their residents.


The world is also a more connected place than it was back then.  When the 14th amendment was drafted the Pony Express was still a thing.  You could even send a telegram if you were truly desperate to get the word out, maybe take the train after a two day ride to get to the station.

Even if there never was a Civil War, I'm guessing we'd still be more bound by the Feds than back in 1800 simply due to the march of technology.
 
2017-09-05 04:05:36 PM  
Fox no longer let's people comment on most articles. You have to go into the tech section to get a good read of righteous deep in the comments section.

Lots of fox fans irate because they cannot post thier wargarble under every story
 
2017-09-05 04:07:22 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?


Because it came from the Associated Press and not Fox.
 
2017-09-05 04:07:43 PM  

Ant: Serious Black: What are jalapeños? Also, what are poppers? Also, what are jalapeño poppers?

Something that needs to make a comeback. Jalapeno poppers with jalapeno jelly... mmmm...


You mean with serrano prickly pear jelly
 
2017-09-05 04:08:28 PM  
The entire governing philosophy of the Trump administration can be boiled down very easily.

If Obama was for it, I'm against it.

That is all.
 
2017-09-05 04:08:43 PM  
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2017-09-05 04:09:44 PM  

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That has to be the dumbest thing posted today. Congrats, I guess.
 
2017-09-05 04:10:33 PM  
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2017-09-05 04:12:38 PM  

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Does it hurt to be retarded

Like in your tiny brain parts?
 
2017-09-05 04:12:42 PM  

STDMan69: Totally Sharky Complete: [img.fark.net image 579x859]

That has to be the dumbest thing posted today. Congrats, I guess.


For God's sake man, don't say that...he'll take it as a challenge...
 
2017-09-05 04:13:25 PM  
DACA.  Not to be confused with the capital of Bangladesh or wut roight orky shootaz need moar uv.
 
2017-09-05 04:16:25 PM  

zappaisfrank: The entire governing philosophy of the Trump administration can be boiled down very easily.

If Obama was for it, I'm against it.

That is all.


Hey now, they're far more nuanced than that!

You forgot 'Make Donny wealthier' and 'pay back the administration's debts to Putin'
 
2017-09-05 04:17:08 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.

Oh yes, which also explains his belief that 'the wrong side' won the Civil War.

Interestingly, though, his libertarian views have significantly hardened since he has moved to Tennessee.


I had a buddy pull out "See, it's all about coconuts" at the cookout this weekend. I asked him if he used a well known username here.
 
2017-09-05 04:17:59 PM  
one of the key points of our legal system is that you cannot hold children accountable for their parents' crimes. kids that were brought here illegally broke no laws. deporting them is unconscionable. fark trump, fark people that think this is good. you hateful assholes are the worst face of our country. go be white trash somewhere else.
 
2017-09-05 04:18:23 PM  
"Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the executive branch," Sessions said.

DACA isn't "open-ended".  It's capped at the low end by the requirement that you had to have entered before turning 16 and have lived in the US since June 15, 2007.  And it's capped at the high end by the requirement that you be less than 31 on June 15, 2015.

If you are outside of those boundaries, then the program is literally not open to you.
 
2017-09-05 04:19:33 PM  

Karac: "Such an open-ended circumvention of immigration laws was an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the executive branch," Sessions said.

DACA isn't "open-ended".  It's capped at the low end by the requirement that you had to have entered before turning 16 and have lived in the US since June 15, 2007.  And it's capped at the high end by the requirement that you be less than 31 on June 15, 2015.

If you are outside of those boundaries, then the program is literally not open to you.


Yeah, but that doesn't fark over enough brown people to give Jeff a stiffy.
 
2017-09-05 04:25:22 PM  

tarheel07: DjangoStonereaver: I have a very DERPy friend who is convinced that the 14th Amendment completely ruined 'Murica, and
apparently there are quite a few right wing/libertarian types who feel this way.

He truly isn't a racist, but doesn't seem to grasp the implications of that opinion, and I suspect most of the
Fox News demographic feels as he does.  Or they would if they could count to 14.

That's an interesting position, as the Fourteenth Amendment has been held, through the Incorporation Doctrine, to apply most of the Bill of Rights against states.  I'm guessing he's a state's rights advocate.


Old and busted:

Explaining his support for white Southerners' denial of civil rights to blacks, Buckley announced:  "the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution are regarded by much of the South as inorganic accretions to the original document, grafted upon it by victors-at-war by force. Such attacks on the legitimacy of the Fourteenth Amendment became a centerpiece of conservatives' advocacy of "authentic federalism."  Today, most are more discreet, but as late as 1978, Henry Regnery, the leading conservative publisher in America, insisted that the Fourteenth Amendment had never "properly" become "part of the Constitution."
 
2017-09-05 04:25:30 PM  
FTFA: Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa... has remained a stalwart Republican against the program; he suggested last week that DACA recipients should turn their parents in to federal immigration authorities.

Ah, yes, nice to see that the R's are still trying to turn kids into informers. 1984 isn't a farking instruction manual, you twatwaffles.
 
2017-09-05 04:25:34 PM  
I heard a piece on NPR earlier that is telling about the entire immigration debate.

The host had some lady from some anti-immigration (legal and illegal) think tank.  She said that DACA needed to be ended on Constitutional grounds, separation of powers, because Congress failed to pass a bill for it, and based on rule of law.

The host, harking back to the previous guest, a dreamer just about to get her law degree in Houston who said that an immoral law deserved to be changed, asked what the moral and ethical justification for ending DACA was?

The anti-immigration lady responded with ... Constitutional grounds, separation of powers, Congress not passing a law, and rule of law.  She basically admitted by omission that the only reason to have a law against anyone who wants to coming to the US is because we have a law against anyone who wants to coming to the US.  Oh, and she also got very pissed that the other guest said that most people against DACA were against it on racial grounds.  (Which makes sense to me, when's the last time you heard someone complain that there's going to be to a bratwurst or lutefisk truck on every corner?)

Going by their "I'm totally not a racist, but I just think people should follow the law" comments, most people who are against illegal immigration would be just fine with people immigrating from Mexico if we simply changed the law to say they could just walk across the border.  But somehow I doubt that they wouldn't come up with another reason if they needed to.
 
2017-09-05 04:26:37 PM  
The funny thing is after all this DAVA talk, Lindsey Graham is ready for some DREAMer legislation, saying it's good for the country.
It wasn't good when a black man was in the White House, was it? What changed your mind? Once again, the GOP proves all they're capable of is either obstruction or stealing ideas and making them look like their own.
 
2017-09-05 04:27:40 PM  

Karac: DACA isn't "open-ended".  It's capped at the low end by the requirement that you had to have entered before turning 16 and have lived in the US since June 15, 2007.  And it's capped at the high end by the requirement that you be less than 31 on June 15, 2015.


The open-endedness comes from the fact that those people are allowed to circumvent immigration law indefinitely.  And frankly, the fact that it's limited to a particular arbitrary cohort seems like cause for an Equal Protection challenge.  (Remember, that's one of those clauses that refers to "person[s]", not "citizens".)
 
2017-09-05 04:30:06 PM  

Gubbo: Voiceofreason01: That was a surprisingly not-crappy article for Fox News. How'd they let that slip in there?

Must be a mistake. Look for it to be revised by later on tonight when the Prime Time hosts describe how the Dreamers were responsible for 9/11.


Dreamers are taking jobs from hard-working American terrorists!
 
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2017-09-05 04:31:29 PM  

STDMan69: Ant: Serious Black: What are jalapeños? Also, what are poppers? Also, what are jalapeño poppers?

Something that needs to make a comeback. Jalapeno poppers with jalapeno jelly... mmmm...

You mean with serrano prickly pear jelly


Sure. That'd work too
 
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