Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Toronto Star)   Boeing: Our competitor is selling passenger jets at an unfair, government subsidized cost and we don't like it. Government: Boeing doesn't even make a similar product for this market. Boeing: *smoke bomb*   ( thestar.com) divider line
    More: Stupid, Federal government of the United States, Boeing, U.S. Commerce Department, Canadian rival Bombardier, Super Hornet, Hornet fighter jets, U.S. transportation giant, trade spat  
•       •       •

2247 clicks; posted to Business » on 05 Sep 2017 at 9:10 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



32 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2017-09-05 09:20:43 AM  
We don't buy 1000 fighter jets a year from Bombardier; we have to be more direct with our subsidies.
 
2017-09-05 09:26:01 AM  
But don't you dare call a cost plus military contract a subsidy!
 
2017-09-05 10:05:17 AM  
http://www.superarrow.ca/

      I laugh out loud with every bit of Karma delivered on a country with such a short memory. How will they try and kill this project?
 
2017-09-05 10:08:29 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How will they try and kill this project?


From the pics, I think laughter might work.
 
2017-09-05 10:12:54 AM  
d3gqasl9vmjfd8.cloudfront.net
 
2017-09-05 10:25:38 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
IIRC seats are wider than a 737's
 
2017-09-05 10:29:46 AM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 440x293]
IIRC seats are wider than a 737's


30 less middle 💺 seats.
 
2017-09-05 10:37:37 AM  
Washington state has given billions of dollars in tax breaks to Boeing.
 
2017-09-05 10:43:18 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: How will they try and kill this project?

From the pics, I think laughter might work.


 So less than the $50B (adj.US $ from  the 2.5B cost) You guys paid for Tito's version of NASA ? Shucks, looks like it's back my cat food then.
 Seems like quality isn't necessarily the motivating factor though. Is it?
 
2017-09-05 10:47:16 AM  
Exactly how much tax money has Boeing gotten since the beginning of WW II?
 
2017-09-05 10:53:57 AM  
There is a reason Ski-Do snowmobiles are called Ski-Don'ts.
 
2017-09-05 10:58:29 AM  
Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?
 
2017-09-05 10:59:20 AM  
I don't exactly have a lot of sympathy for Boeing, but the idea that a given entity has to be directly impacted by a situation before it's "acceptable" for them to call out inequity is really farking stupid.
 
2017-09-05 11:08:52 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: http://www.superarrow.ca/


Is that real? Can't find much on the internets on it.

// Purdy though.
 
2017-09-05 11:19:46 AM  

Arkanaut: Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?


Delta is buying the CS100, which is a lot smaller than the 737. Just over 100 pax. Southwest runs 737's with175 pax.
 
2017-09-05 11:23:20 AM  

Arkanaut: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: http://www.superarrow.ca/

Is that real? Can't find much on the internets on it.

// Purdy though.


It's real in X-Plane, but that's about it.
 
2017-09-05 11:31:20 AM  

centrifugal bumblepuppy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 440x293]
IIRC seats are wider than a 737's


Jesus, look at how much room they waste by keeping that middle aisle.

They should strap everyone into a seating pod in the terminal and load them like cargo pallets.
 
2017-09-05 11:42:41 AM  
Help the bombardier!
 
2017-09-05 11:44:58 AM  

facepalm.jpg: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 440x293]
IIRC seats are wider than a 737's

Jesus, look at how much room they waste by keeping that middle aisle.

They should strap everyone into a seating pod in the terminal and load them like cargo pallets.


That would be great if the infrastructure wouldn't cost billions. Both new planes and new airport terminals? Sheesh.
 
2017-09-05 11:47:33 AM  

HempHead: Arkanaut: Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?

Delta is buying the CS100, which is a lot smaller than the 737. Just over 100 pax.


Right, it competes with the -600

media.giphy.com
 
2017-09-05 11:48:02 AM  

Arkanaut: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: http://www.superarrow.ca/

Is that real? Can't find much on the internets on it.

// Purdy though.


2012 pitch as an alternative to the F-35. No doubt destined for the same fate as it's predecessor.
 
2017-09-05 11:48:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: But don't you dare call a cost plus military contract a subsidy!


What, the US Airforce isn't full of Airbus transporters and helicopters?
 
2017-09-05 11:55:40 AM  

Victoly: HempHead: Arkanaut: Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?

Delta is buying the CS100, which is a lot smaller than the 737. Just over 100 pax.

Right, it competes with the -600

[media.giphy.com image 100x75]


Right, but there are only around 50 737-600 in service and they're not selling any more.

Boeing's fear is likely that a future "stretched" C-series will compete with the 737-700 or 800, which is their bread and butter.
 
2017-09-05 11:59:11 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Marcus Aurelius: But don't you dare call a cost plus military contract a subsidy!

What, the US Airforce isn't full of Airbus transporters and helicopters?


We actually do use some variants of the Bombardier Dash-8 series, as well as assorted cargo planes from other NATO nations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Dash_8
 
2017-09-05 12:00:46 PM  

Charlie Freak: Victoly: HempHead: Arkanaut: Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?

Delta is buying the CS100, which is a lot smaller than the 737. Just over 100 pax.

Right, it competes with the -600

[media.giphy.com image 100x75]

Right, but there are only around 50 737-600 in service and they're not selling any more.

Boeing's fear is likely that a future "stretched" C-series will compete with the 737-700 or 800, which is their bread and butter.


The also sell the CS-300, which does compete with the 737.
 
2017-09-05 12:11:32 PM  

facepalm.jpg: centrifugal bumblepuppy: [upload.wikimedia.org image 440x293]
IIRC seats are wider than a 737's

Jesus, look at how much room they waste by keeping that middle aisle.

They should strap everyone into a seating pod in the terminal and load them like cargo pallets.


im2.ezgif.com
 
2017-09-05 12:27:12 PM  

Arkanaut: Seems to me the C-series is similar to the 737: 100 - 200 passengers, ~6000 km max range. Why aren't they considered "directly competing" with each other?


When a cop forcibly drags you off a Canadian plane he has to apologize both before and after.
 
2017-09-05 12:45:30 PM  
Boeing gets government subsidies and still gouges its paying customers.
Bombadier gets government subsidies and passes along the savings to its paying customers.

I can see how an American company would find that reprehensible.   (insert eye-roll emoji)
 
2017-09-05 03:09:01 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: We don't buy 1000 fighter jets a year from Bombardier; we have to be more direct with our subsidies.


We don't buy 1000 fighter jets a year from anyone....
 
2017-09-05 04:40:03 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: But don't you dare call a cost plus military contract a subsidy!


Don't you dare call a billion dollars to launch 0 rockets a subsidy (ULA, a company which Boeing owns roughly half).
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/air-force-budget-reveals-how-​m​uch-spacex-undercuts-launch-prices/
They claim that the money is needed "to be able to launch everything that the DoD needs" but ignore that they don't always bid on "everything the DoD needs".  Basically, a $1,000,000,000.00 gift just to make sure that once all of the DoD's eggs are in one basket, the basket doesn't go out of buisness.
 
2017-09-05 05:16:20 PM  
Boeing does get some government subsidies, just not from the Federal government but from state governments regarding subsidies for factories, etc...
 
2017-09-06 03:12:12 PM  

runwiz: Boeing does get some government subsidies, just not from the Federal government but from state governments regarding subsidies for factories, etc...


Those are freedom credits. Totally different.
 
Displayed 32 of 32 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking

On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report