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(Some Guy)   "You have people in this country for 20 years, they've done a great job, they've done wonderfully, they've gone to school, they've gotten good marks, they're productive - now we're supposed to send them out of the country? I don't believe in that"   ( lawnewz.com) divider line
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2017-09-05 03:34:54 AM  
To paraphrase Anna Navarro, Trump is like Hallmark cards, there's a statement by him contradicting himself for every occasion.
 
2017-09-05 03:54:58 AM  
That quote was before he felt the soft caress of racist balls on his... ego.
 
2017-09-05 04:29:59 AM  
Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.
 
2017-09-05 04:51:58 AM  

Sgygus: Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.


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2017-09-05 06:15:14 AM  

Sgygus: Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.


It's becoming more and more apparent that he experienced a psychotic break at the White House Correspondents Dinner several years ago. His narcissism requires him to get Obama back for maligning him.

Sad.
 
2017-09-05 06:20:16 AM  
Not that I would expect there to be a sound explanation, but is there any particular reason or reasons to point to for Trump's stance on DACA? Or I should say, current stance.
 
2017-09-05 06:27:11 AM  
He says things.  He doesn't care what he says.  Doesn't care if they're true or not, or bothers to remember what he said.
 
2017-09-05 06:27:21 AM  
See, the problem with acting as if these are some sort of contradiction is that it makes the implicit assumption that Trump actually has values. He only ever holds a view for as long as it is useful to him.
 
2017-09-05 06:35:43 AM  
The way it works is like this: if you are here illegally, even if its the fault of your parents, you need to return to your country of citizenship/residency.

However, its a shame to deport so many people who are such great potential citizens based on their life histories and achievements.  Therefore a visa program and abbrieviated path to residency should be created for them.

But they aren't citizens right now.
 
2017-09-05 06:37:06 AM  

GooberMcFly: Sgygus: Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he experienced a psychotic break at the White House Correspondents Dinner several years ago. His narcissism requires him to get Obama back for maligning him.

Sad.


It's not maligning him if it was true. Plus the correspondence dinner performance was after how many years of Trump doubling down on Birther Bullshiat?
 
2017-09-05 06:37:35 AM  
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2017-09-05 06:37:50 AM  
Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.
 
2017-09-05 06:39:47 AM  

Animatronik: The way it works is like this: if you are here illegally, even if its the fault of your parents, you need to return to your country of citizenship/residency.

However, its a shame to deport so many people who are such great potential citizens based on their life histories and achievements.  Therefore a visa program and abbrieviated path to residency should be created for them.

But they aren't citizens right now.


Only citizens have any rights at all, good to know.
 
2017-09-05 06:40:23 AM  
Good move.  Deporting the ones that will pay taxes and help fund social security in the future.  Stupid is as stupid does.
 
2017-09-05 06:43:01 AM  

Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.


But, the votes of ignorant, nasty racists and assorted, scared old people are way more important than being humane.

Gotta put your fat, white wrinkly ass into those comfy seats for another four years.
 
2017-09-05 06:47:30 AM  
Listen, he just hates any acronym that uses the letters ACA.
 
2017-09-05 06:48:48 AM  

Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.


Yeah, the derpers I know don't even want to consider the costs of rounding these people up for deportation.  No amount of money is too great. When racism became taboo in our society, immigration status became the only thing these assholes have to cling to to look down on somebody.  Somehow, illegal immigration became the thing that is going to doom us all in their minds.

Anyways, good luck with the whole "realistically" thing.
 
2017-09-05 06:49:57 AM  

Alphax: He says things.  He doesn't care what he says.  Doesn't care if they're true or not, or bothers to remember what he said.


And no one who has any power cares, it seems.

You'd think he'd be embarrassed to be continually busted for being such a liar. But no. He probably doesnt even realise it's happening.
 
2017-09-05 06:54:25 AM  
When Congress farks this whole thing up and doesn't come up with legislation in 6 months, what is he going to do?
 
2017-09-05 06:56:58 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: Animatronik: The way it works is like this: if you are here illegally, even if its the fault of your parents, you need to return to your country of citizenship/residency.

However, its a shame to deport so many people who are such great potential citizens based on their life histories and achievements.  Therefore a visa program and abbrieviated path to residency should be created for them.

But they aren't citizens right now.

Only citizens have any rights at all, good to know.


No, only people who qualify as citizens have the right to be citizens.

Idiotic arguments to the contrary are what got Trump elected.
If you dont wat Trump, stopped plugging bullshiat like this and throwing racialist feces against the wall, to see what sticks when you label everyone a racist.
   Because thats how you get Trump.
 
2017-09-05 06:59:22 AM  
Oh no way! He said something he didn't mean and put no thought into?

SWEET JESUS THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
 
2017-09-05 07:00:59 AM  
Trump Exposes Trump
Youtube kSE-XoVKaXg
 
2017-09-05 07:07:55 AM  

Animatronik: Commander Lysdexic: Animatronik: The way it works is like this: if you are here illegally, even if its the fault of your parents, you need to return to your country of citizenship/residency.

However, its a shame to deport so many people who are such great potential citizens based on their life histories and achievements.  Therefore a visa program and abbrieviated path to residency should be created for them.

But they aren't citizens right now.

Only citizens have any rights at all, good to know.

No, only people who qualify as citizens have the right to be citizens.

Idiotic arguments to the contrary are what got Trump elected.
If you dont wat Trump, stopped plugging bullshiat like this and throwing racialist feces against the wall, to see what sticks when you label everyone a racist.
   Because thats how you get Trump.


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2017-09-05 07:09:06 AM  

Alphax: He says things.  He doesn't care what he says.  Doesn't care if they're true or not, or bothers to remember what he said.


"I don't believe in a lot of things that are being said"
 
2017-09-05 07:10:25 AM  

Alphax: He says things.  He doesn't care what he says.  Doesn't care if they're true or not, or bothers to remember what he said.


Why should he? He's never suffered any real, lasting consequences for anything he's said or done.
 
2017-09-05 07:12:16 AM  

NOLAhd: When Congress farks this whole thing up and doesn't come up with legislation in 6 months, what is he going to do?


Shoot out a bunch of nasty tweets about certain congressmen, followed up with a tweet about how great a job he's doing and how many things are getting done, then watch Fox News for a couple hours.
 
2017-09-05 07:13:31 AM  

Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.


There are approximately 11 million people you charge are criminals due to method of immigration.

People are not illegal. Actions are.
 
2017-09-05 07:15:02 AM  
Trump is the alpha and the omega. He is everything and nothing at the same time. He tells a lie and the truth in the same breath.
 
2017-09-05 07:15:46 AM  

megarian: Oh no way! He said something he didn't mean and put no thought into?

SWEET JESUS THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING


Came here to post this, basically. He's so disconnected, he probably has no idea what DACA even really is or the consequences of ending it, just OBAMA BAD.
 
2017-09-05 07:53:59 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: Not that I would expect there to be a sound explanation, but is there any particular reason or reasons to point to for Trump's stance on DACA? Or I should say, current stance.


He has not offered any justification. The only one I can think of in his defense is that deporting these people will likely open up a bunch of decent jobs that they were working in. But other than that, it's just cruelty for the sake of cruelty
 
2017-09-05 07:54:36 AM  
He's a walking contradiction, party truth and partly fiction, except for the truth part.
 
2017-09-05 07:57:03 AM  

Animatronik: The way it works is like this: if you are here illegally, even if its the fault of your parents, you need to return to your country of citizenship/residency.

However, its a shame to deport so many people who are such great potential citizens based on their life histories and achievements.  Therefore a visa program and abbrieviated path to residency should be created for them.

But they aren't citizens right now.


"Country before humanity" has never seemed to me to be any more logically or morally justifiable than "party before country."
 
2017-09-05 08:00:20 AM  

GooberMcFly: Sgygus: Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he experienced a psychotic break at the White House Correspondents Dinner several years ago. His narcissism requires him to get Obama back for maligning him.

Sad.


I was travelling that night. I remember waiting in the lobby of a car rental place, and there was footage of it with no sound. I knew then--tired, distracted, not even hearing the speech, just seeing Grumps' face-- that he was having a psychotic breakdown.

Of course, I didn't yet know that the shiat-for-brains racist xenophobic hillbilly Nazis of this country would make him president because STIGGINIT.
 
2017-09-05 08:00:41 AM  

GooberMcFly: Sgygus: Trump really doesn't want to suspend DACA, he cries to himself while doing this.  But DACA is an Obama program, so he has no choice.  He has to kill it.

It's becoming more and more apparent that he experienced a psychotic break at the White House Correspondents Dinner several years ago. His narcissism requires him to get Obama back for maligning him.

Sad.


In fact wasn't there an article from the G20 a few months ago that basically said he would ask what Obama would have done to everything. Then promptly do the opposite no matter what it was.
 
2017-09-05 08:03:30 AM  
no more dakka?
 
2017-09-05 08:04:15 AM  
I wish a couple democrats would come out and publicly say,

"I completely agree with Donald Trump when he says, You have people in this country for 20 years, they've done a great job, they've done wonderfully, they've gone to school, they've gotten good marks, they're productive - now we're supposed to send them out of the country? I don't believe in that"
 
2017-09-05 08:05:29 AM  
And this farking coward of a president can't even make the statement himself.  He has to send his Elven anal polyp Jeff Sessions out:

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2017-09-05 08:09:49 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: Not that I would expect there to be a sound explanation, but is there any particular reason or reasons to point to for Trump's stance on DACA? Or I should say, current stance.


Of course - the justification is that Congress should institute something like DACA, and the executive branch should not be responsible for it. You know, because we shouldn't have an imperial lawless presidency, blah blah blah.

So of course Trump cancels the program without anything in place because he can't work with Congress...
 
2017-09-05 08:11:12 AM  
Remember When Obama Supported A Border Wall?
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2017-09-05 08:40:56 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: Not that I would expect there to be a sound explanation, but is there any particular reason or reasons to point to for Trump's stance on DACA? Or I should say, current stance.


Talk to one of his core supporters. This kind of stuff is important to them. They don't care if it's cruel. Frankly, they kind of are glad it is.
 
2017-09-05 08:56:36 AM  

fortheloveof: Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.

There are approximately 11 million people you charge are criminals due to method of immigration.

People are not illegal. Actions are.


And young children can't commit crimes. Legally, they don't have the mental state for it. So when we're talking about people who came over when they were 7 or younger, we're talking about people who in the eyes of the law have committed no crime. The crossing isn't always criminal anyway, and it's not illegal to be undocumented despite the popular terminology.
 
2017-09-05 09:11:01 AM  

Totally Sharky Complete: [YouTube video]


It's lucky for you that you have the president you deserve now.
 
2017-09-05 09:17:11 AM  
I don't know about in the US, but here companies can sponsor visas for qualified individuals.  Is there anything preventing companies in the US from hiring/providing visas for Dreamers as a temporary measure to keep them in the country?
 
2017-09-05 09:21:28 AM  
HE SAID HE WAS GONNA

Seriously, folks, did you think he was kidding?! You farking voted for him, based in part on his insistence that he was going to deport illegal immigrants regardless of their status or history, that he was going to ban Islam, that he was going to set free the dogs of hate on non-whites. You've watched him for months as he spread lies and bullshiat, as he decided that white supremacists, fascists, and neo-Nazis were OK in his book and installed them in his administration even as he tacitly approved of his followers cheering about his clearly pro-white stance & policies - even after they killed one person and injured dozens of others, he couldn't bring himself to say anything more condemning than "both sides are bad" until he was shamed into reading a statement.

You're now farking surprised that he just flat-out ended DACA, after reversing an alleged stance that he held some time ago? He told you he was going to do that, goddamn it!

The best part? He's validated the very fear that Dreamers had in participating in the system - that, if they turned over their personal information and location, the government may decided to use it to hunt them instead of help them. The Dreamers took the risk anyway, in part because the Obama administration made good on their promises, only to watch in horror as the Trump administration laughed in their faces and said, "...you farking believed the government?! ICE, get the truck."
 
2017-09-05 09:23:31 AM  

NotTooLittleRichard: I don't know about in the US, but here companies can sponsor visas for qualified individuals.  Is there anything preventing companies in the US from hiring/providing visas for Dreamers as a temporary measure to keep them in the country?


Yes. They can't. Companies don't provide visas. Companies request visas from the government, and the government will deny visas if you've stayed beyond the legal limit of your current visa or if, as with these folks, you've illegally entered the country. They would first have to leave the country and petition via the process to re-enter - and most likely be denied because they committed a criminal act related to their immigration status here in the U.S.
 
2017-09-05 09:35:54 AM  

shut_it_down: fortheloveof: Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.

There are approximately 11 million people you charge are criminals due to method of immigration.

People are not illegal. Actions are.

And young children can't commit crimes. Legally, they don't have the mental state for it. So when we're talking about people who came over when they were 7 or younger, we're talking about people who in the eyes of the law have committed no crime. The crossing isn't always criminal anyway, and it's not illegal to be undocumented despite the popular terminology.


Exactly!

Also the entire court case is built on the prosecutor proving a negative: Without national mandatory from birth ID prove someone is or is not a citizen.

Other than birth certificate (if you have one), or military service, it's almost impossible to actually do.
 
2017-09-05 09:39:30 AM  

FormlessOne: NotTooLittleRichard: I don't know about in the US, but here companies can sponsor visas for qualified individuals.  Is there anything preventing companies in the US from hiring/providing visas for Dreamers as a temporary measure to keep them in the country?

Yes. They can't. Companies don't provide visas. Companies request visas from the government, and the government will deny visas if you've stayed beyond the legal limit of your current visa or if, as with these folks, you've illegally entered the country. They would first have to leave the country and petition via the process to re-enter - and most likely be denied because they committed a criminal act related to their immigration status here in the U.S.


Thanks.
 
2017-09-05 09:49:47 AM  

FormlessOne: NotTooLittleRichard: I don't know about in the US, but here companies can sponsor visas for qualified individuals.  Is there anything preventing companies in the US from hiring/providing visas for Dreamers as a temporary measure to keep them in the country?

Yes. They can't. Companies don't provide visas. Companies request visas from the government, and the government will deny visas if you've stayed beyond the legal limit of your current visa or if, as with these folks, you've illegally entered the country. They would first have to leave the country and petition via the process to re-enter - and most likely be denied because they committed a criminal act related to their immigration status here in the U.S.


Nope.  DACA is a program specifically about children brought into this country, usually by their parents.  Being children at the time of entry, our laws cannot find them guilty of any immigration crimes.  Let me repeat that: They are not guilty of any crime.

Ending DACA is just needless cruelty to children who had no choice in what happened to them.
 
2017-09-05 10:11:55 AM  

Captain Shaky: Approx. 60% of illegal immigrants have been in the country for at least a decade.

Most states have laws against pursuing RAPE charges that are more than a decade old.

There are 11 million illegal aliens in this country. I want us to stop illegal immigration, but first it is important to figure out what we are doing with the people who are already here.

REALISTICALLY.


And that realistic solution is.....

I'd seriously love to hear it. Because I only see three options: amnesty and full citizenship, pathway to citizenship with or without return to country of origin, or full on Trump-expelling everyone and forcing them through the normal immigration process.

None of those are even remotely realistic to me. And there aren't really any other options unless you count "business continuing to exploit them while the government persecutes them". But that's just more of the same.
 
2017-09-05 10:12:42 AM  

oldernell: Good move.  Deporting the ones that will pay taxes and help fund social security in the future.  Stupid is as stupid does.


Which other laws are you ok with breaking because the person pays taxes?
 
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