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2017-09-04 11:45:49 PM  
While I don't believe the Goddess is throwing hurricanes at the united states....sometimes I gotta wonder if there's a wee bit of mother nature's revenge in all of this.  we've ignored global warming and climate change to an almost pathologically insane degree.  now we're about to get slammed hard by another major storm system that could easily inflict another couple of hundred million in damage on top of the damage from Harvey.

Angry gods or consequences of our inaction.  cuts both ways I suppose.  either way, we are not remotely prepared to deal with two major storm systems in such a short period of time.  all we need now is for the Yellowstone volcano to pop and we're done.  Or a nuclear war, that'd have the same effect.
 
2017-09-04 11:56:40 PM  
Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

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And it's raining ash.
 
2017-09-05 12:39:14 AM  

Weaver95: While I don't believe the Goddess is throwing hurricanes at the united states


As a Discordian I'm comfortable saying that this is probably the work of Eris.

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


Were you getting covered in ash before it was cool?
 
2017-09-05 12:58:54 AM  
Mother nature to the US:

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2017-09-05 01:07:21 AM  
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2017-09-05 01:31:05 AM  
Storm's getting worse.

We'll pass through it soon enough.
 
2017-09-05 01:55:28 AM  

Sid_6.7: Were you getting covered in ash before it was cool?


Those are called embers.
 
2017-09-05 02:16:04 AM  

Weaver95: While I don't believe the Goddess is throwing hurricanes at the united states....sometimes I gotta wonder if there's a wee bit of mother nature's revenge in all of this.  we've ignored global warming and climate change to an almost pathologically insane degree.  now we're about to get slammed hard by another major storm system that could easily inflict another couple of hundred million in damage on top of the damage from Harvey.

Angry gods or consequences of our inaction.  cuts both ways I suppose.  either way, we are not remotely prepared to deal with two major storm systems in such a short period of time.  all we need now is for the Yellowstone volcano to pop and we're done.  Or a nuclear war, that'd have the same effect.


In America, climate change and global warming is not a science issue, it is a religion issue as you have hinted. But of course those who asked for government to be so small they could drown it in a bathtub didn't imagine a bathtub as big as Houston.
 
2017-09-05 02:30:31 AM  
We tried warning you that the eclipse was a sign. Next in 18 days, the sign of Revelation 12 happens. What happens next when the most unChristlike archdeceiver in charge of America it just keeps getting worse.But at least he had a good photo-op in Houston and promised to find a way to somehow get a million dollars donated to some Houston charity some day.
 
2017-09-05 02:46:49 AM  

davidphogan: Sid_6.7: Were you getting covered in ash before it was cool?

Those are called embers.


Some friends of mine used to live in a loft right around the corner from that place. We'd go every weekend.  The drag shows were a hoot.
 
2017-09-05 03:10:39 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


HOLY SHIAT YOUR SUN IS CRACKED IN HALF!
 
2017-09-05 03:11:39 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.

HOLY SHIAT YOUR SUN IS CRACKED IN HALF!


It's just Becky.
 
2017-09-05 03:12:38 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


Up in Canada it's raining meteors.
 
2017-09-05 03:14:01 AM  
Meanwhile...

Oh, hey Jose!

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2017-09-05 03:14:35 AM  

Ivo Shandor: fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.

Up in Canada it's raining meteors.


Shout out to my homies
 
2017-09-05 03:15:21 AM  

Kevin72: We tried warning you that the eclipse was a sign. Next in 18 days, the sign of Revelation 12 happens. What happens next when the most unChristlike archdeceiver in charge of America it just keeps getting worse.But at least he had a good photo-op in Houston and promised to find a way to somehow get a million dollars donated to some Houston charity some day.


That's why the Cubs won, had to happen at least once before the end of the world.
 
2017-09-05 03:17:08 AM  

Kevin72: We tried warning you that the eclipse was a sign. Next in 18 days, the sign of Revelation 12 happens. What happens next when the most unChristlike archdeceiver in charge of America it just keeps getting worse.But at least he had a good photo-op in Houston and promised to find a way to somehow get a million dollars donated to some Houston charity some day.


the Egyptian gods are NOT gonna be happy with what Yaweh has been doing in the middle east while they've been sleeping.
 
2017-09-05 03:23:34 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


And a whole bunch of towns are under evacuation orders. All because of some asshole with fireworks.
It's time to ban fireworks possession outside of very narrow windows around Chinese New Year and Independence Day. Heavy fines for possession, real jail time if they cause a fire.
 
2017-09-05 03:28:46 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


Up here in Auburn, WA and I've noticed ash raining down tonight as well. Gonna have to get my dang truck washed at this rate...
 
2017-09-05 03:33:54 AM  
Florida is short on wing nuts? Hardly.
 
2017-09-05 03:35:22 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


img.fark.netthis was the sun in Missoula, MT the morning.  There are fires in just about every direction.

/when i woke up the morning it smelt like I was next to a campfire.
//also "rained" ash, though no water was involved in the raining.
///the smoke was so thick you could see it inside the grocery store where I work.
 
2017-09-05 03:36:40 AM  

fusillade762: Meanwhile, here in Portland, the Sun looks like this

[img.fark.net image 850x467]

And it's raining ash.


I went out for my cycling today, and was grateful not to have the sun pumping energy into me. Hopefully, next weekend is better. I want to go on a ride in Helvetia before the rains hit.
 
2017-09-05 03:39:51 AM  
img.fark.net

Meanwhile, here in Denver, the city looks like this.  Thanks, Washington (and Oregon and Montana and California).  But as to the more important news, the early strength of Irma might be for the best.  Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.  By the time if/when Irma reaches the U.S. it may be considerably weaker.

/one can hope
//best of luck to you, Islanders
 
2017-09-05 03:40:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-09-05 03:41:26 AM  
... I posted that in the wrong thread, but sadly it's somewhat appropriate if you take the "ice caps" = "global warming" extreme.
 
2017-09-05 03:48:10 AM  

puffy999: ... I posted that in the wrong thread, but sadly it's somewhat appropriate if you take the "ice caps" = "global warming" extreme.


You really don't need to change anything.

The wheels are falling off, but "I'll give you something to cry about"...
 
2017-09-05 03:53:16 AM  

puffy999: [i.imgur.com image 720x720]


So,,,,yes to corporal punishment to save the world?
 
2017-09-05 03:53:55 AM  
Meanwhile, her in Roanoke, the city looks like this:

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/I just felt left out
 
2017-09-05 04:01:18 AM  

Harry_Seldon: puffy999: [i.imgur.com image 720x720]

So,,,,yes to corporal punishment to save the world?


Corporal Punishment will never outrank General Indifference.
 
2017-09-05 04:01:55 AM  

Sgygus: [img.fark.net image 840x473]

Meanwhile, here in Denver, the city looks like this.  Thanks, Washington (and Oregon and Montana and California).  But as to the more important news, the early strength of Irma might be for the best.  Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.  By the time if/when Irma reaches the U.S. it may be considerably weaker.

/one can hope
//best of luck to you, Islanders


That's... Not how hurricanes work.
 
2017-09-05 04:13:29 AM  
"At a Home Depot in Royal Palm Beach, a sign alerted shoppers that it was short on wing nuts and 5-gallon jugs for gasoline and water." Wing nuts?
 
2017-09-05 04:18:24 AM  

brax33: Sgygus: Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.


brax33:That's... Not how hurricanes work.

The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.  A cat5 storm can only sustain that strength for a relatively short period time before it dampens its own fuel supply.

/pretty sure this is historically true
//would be happy if someone more knowledgeable jumps in if I am wrong about this
 
2017-09-05 04:29:42 AM  

Sgygus: brax33: Sgygus: Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.

brax33:That's... Not how hurricanes work.

The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.  A cat5 storm can only sustain that strength for a relatively short period time before it dampens its own fuel supply.

/pretty sure this is historically true
//would be happy if someone more knowledgeable jumps in if I am wrong about this


If it sits over one spot, yes.  But Irma is moving at a good clip.  The water in that part of the world is ludicrously warm too, so "cooler water below the surface" ain't that much cooler.

Irma is unlikely to reach Cat 5 strength however, due to the likelihood of passing over shallow water to limit development.  But a high end Cat 4 is plenty destructive.  Most structures that have hurricane prevention in mind are designed to withstand a Cat 3.  So don't start partying on Key West just because it doesn't make a 5.
 
2017-09-05 04:30:01 AM  

Sgygus: The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.


I know literally nothing of hurricanes.

My knowledge of thermodynamics, however, suggests this is f*cking bullshiat.
 
2017-09-05 04:30:20 AM  

dobro: "At a Home Depot in Royal Palm Beach, a sign alerted shoppers that it was short on wing nuts and 5-gallon jugs for gasoline and water." Wing nuts?


You use them to fasten storm shutters onto your home.
 
2017-09-05 04:31:36 AM  

Sgygus: brax33: Sgygus: Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.

brax33:That's... Not how hurricanes work.

The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.  A cat5 storm can only sustain that strength for a relatively short period time before it dampens its own fuel supply.

/pretty sure this is historically true
//would be happy if someone more knowledgeable jumps in if I am wrong about this


If everything else is equal, yes, you're correct. Then you have to take into account the speed of the movement of the storm, and whether it will pass over any warmer currents. That's not even even taking into account the prevailing atmospheric winds and pressure gradients, etc.
 
2017-09-05 04:32:06 AM  

puffy999: Sgygus: The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.

I know literally nothing of hurricanes.

My knowledge of thermodynamics, however, suggests this is f*cking bullshiat.


My understanding of limited statistics and weather patterns also suggests that, if data is available on this specific subject, you'll see that hurricanes which fall into this category were either a) totally stationary for a time or b) traveling over cool water currents before their intensity decreased.
 
2017-09-05 04:33:07 AM  

dobro: "At a Home Depot in Royal Palm Beach, a sign alerted shoppers that it was short on wing nuts and 5-gallon jugs for gasoline and water." Wing nuts?


I refuse to believe that any place in Florida has a shortage of wingnuts.
 
2017-09-05 04:33:24 AM  

puffy999: totally stationary for a time or moving relatively slowly for a storm


/ftfm
 
2017-09-05 04:36:57 AM  

dobro: "At a Home Depot in Royal Palm Beach, a sign alerted shoppers that it was short on wing nuts and 5-gallon jugs for gasoline and water." Wing nuts?


Retirees boarding up and securing things (outside of screwing down plywood and the like) would possibly be more likely to use wing-nuts (which, quite honestly, aren't that practical in many applications, but do require less actual work) than regular nuts/washers. They aren't meant to last forever.
With their limited use, I'd assume there are also limited quantities.
 
2017-09-05 04:41:06 AM  

Sgygus: brax33: Sgygus: Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.

brax33:That's... Not how hurricanes work.

The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.  A cat5 storm can only sustain that strength for a relatively short period time before it dampens its own fuel supply.

/pretty sure this is historically true
//would be happy if someone more knowledgeable jumps in if I am wrong about this


Sgygus: brax33: Sgygus: Super strong storms tend to blow themselves out after a couple of days.

brax33:That's... Not how hurricanes work.

The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.  A cat5 storm can only sustain that strength for a relatively short period time before it dampens its own fuel supply.

/pretty sure this is historically true
//would be happy if someone more knowledgeable jumps in if I am wrong about this


Irma "is moving into waters that are warmer and [are] a very favorable environment for even further development," said Heather Tesch, a meteorologist for The Weather Channel."
 
2017-09-05 04:41:39 AM  
Screw this. I'm going to Vegas.
 
2017-09-05 04:42:25 AM  
Must've accidentally double-clicked the quote button?  Weird, dunno why that happened.
Anyway, sorry for the spam.
 
2017-09-05 04:43:33 AM  

Marksrevenge: dobro: "At a Home Depot in Royal Palm Beach, a sign alerted shoppers that it was short on wing nuts and 5-gallon jugs for gasoline and water." Wing nuts?

You use them to fasten storm shutters onto your home.


Are they professionals or do you have to supply them with tools?
 
2017-09-05 04:44:35 AM  

puffy999: Sgygus: The winds from a strong hurricane churn the ocean bringing up cooler water below the surface level.

I know literally nothing of hurricanes.

My knowledge of thermodynamics, however, suggests this is f*cking bullshiat.


It is true that the strong winds in a hurricane cause bigger waves, which help churn up the upper layer of the ocean.  Since the warmest water is at the surface, this mixing does result in a cooler surface temperature.

However, as has been noted, this only really makes a difference if the storm hovers over the same area for a few days.
 
2017-09-05 05:00:24 AM  
Talk about shooting the gap...this sucker is just as likely to mess up New Orleans or Pensacola as it is Miami.

icons.wunderground.com
 
2017-09-05 05:05:04 AM  

Outlawtsar: Talk about shooting the gap...this sucker is just as likely to mess up New Orleans or Pensacola as it is Miami.

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That outlook is far too far to be accurate. Harvey was dancing until hours before.
 
2017-09-05 05:17:12 AM  

Outlawtsar: Talk about shooting the gap...this sucker is just as likely to mess up New Orleans or Pensacola as it is Miami.

[icons.wunderground.com image 640x480]


Most of the models predict a sharp northward turn right about there.  If you trust the models that are predicting that path, then you should trust their prediction that it won't head to New Orleans.
 
2017-09-05 05:21:45 AM  
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2017-09-05 05:43:32 AM  
Jesus. Hell of a weather year. Anyone consult Tobin's Spirit Guide to see if this matches a prophecy?
 
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