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(New York Daily News)   Dreamers need not panic over Trump's decision to end DACA as Congress will step up to the plate to protect them   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2017-09-04 10:34:52 AM  
Let's just get this out of the way...

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2017-09-04 10:38:08 AM  
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What the plate in question looks like.
 
2017-09-04 10:52:18 AM  
As I believe it relevant to the credibility level of the headline, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'm looking to sell.
 
2017-09-04 11:12:14 AM  
I am really hoping Congress will do the right thing here, but my expectation is not super high. The thing is, DACA has crazy levels of support, even among Republicans so they might actually make DACA the law. Maybe? It's really kind of hard to paint the Dreamers as anything but exceptional Americans. They are a remarkable group and I feel physically ill at how cruel our President is to even consider this. There NO reason for this except blatant racism and xenophobia.

It's disgusting.
 
2017-09-04 11:18:49 AM  
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2017-09-04 11:27:01 AM  

ginandbacon: I am really hoping Congress will do the right thing here, but my expectation is not super high. The thing is, DACA has crazy levels of support, even among Republicans so they might actually make DACA the law. Maybe? It's really kind of hard to paint the Dreamers as anything but exceptional Americans. They are a remarkable group and I feel physically ill at how cruel our President is to even consider this. There NO reason for this except blatant racism and xenophobia.

It's disgusting.


I'm right there with you.
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2017-09-04 12:18:45 PM  
I'll believe it when I personally observe the president scrawling his signature in Sharpie on a copy of the bill that I have personally verified is identical to the bill Congress sent to him that would enshrinine DACA's protections to law. I will not accept concurrence from a notary.
 
2017-09-04 12:22:17 PM  
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2017-09-04 12:48:46 PM  
Again, please tell me how Trump and Hillary are the same. Neil Farking Gorsuch would not be a SCOTUS justice if Hillary was president. But by all mean, please explain to me what I'm missing.
 
2017-09-04 12:49:15 PM  
In the meantime while we wait for a dysfunctional Congress to do something, anything, to not destroy the lives of 800,000 people, there's the added bonus of terrorizing the population.

To my mind this DACA pronouncement accomplishes the following:

1) Throws red meat to Trump's racist base who wants to toss brown people over the border wall.
2) Pressures Congress into acting on a big issue they've been kicking the can down the road.
3) Makes the anti-Trump demographic fly into a frothing rage and threatening to break shiat (I'm included in this one), which pleases Trump's racist base.
4) News media to chatter, analyze, opine, pontificate, and keep Trump at the center of attention, as usual.
 
2017-09-04 12:57:48 PM  

make me some tea: In the meantime while we wait for a dysfunctional Congress to do something, anything, to not destroy the lives of 800,000 people, there's the added bonus of terrorizing the population.

To my mind this DACA pronouncement accomplishes the following:

1) Throws red meat to Trump's racist base who wants to toss brown people over the border wall.
2) Pressures Congress into acting on a big issue they've been kicking the can down the road.
3) Makes the anti-Trump demographic fly into a frothing rage and threatening to break shiat (I'm included in this one), which pleases Trump's racist base.
4) News media to chatter, analyze, opine, pontificate, and keep Trump at the center of attention, as usual.


and last but not least...

5) It distracts from the ever-gathering Trump-Russia storm
 
2017-09-04 01:22:00 PM  
Would that be a plate of chicken?
 
2017-09-04 01:23:01 PM  
If they have any sense of decency they will.
 
2017-09-04 01:25:34 PM  
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2017-09-04 01:28:10 PM  
I actually think they might, not out of a sense of what is right but because they know their ass is really on the line with this issue. But who knows, they rely upon short voter memories to forget this silly injustice in 2018.
 
2017-09-04 01:30:02 PM  

mod_reright: If they have any sense of decency they will.


It said Congress in the headline, you blind fark.
 
2017-09-04 01:30:42 PM  

make me some tea: In the meantime while we wait for a dysfunctional Congress to do something, anything, to not destroy the lives of 800,000 people, there's the added bonus of terrorizing the population.

To my mind this DACA pronouncement accomplishes the following:

1) Throws red meat to Trump's racist base who wants to toss brown people over the border wall.
2) Pressures Congress into acting on a big issue they've been kicking the can down the road.
3) Makes the anti-Trump demographic fly into a frothing rage and threatening to break shiat (I'm included in this one), which pleases Trump's racist base.
4) News media to chatter, analyze, opine, pontificate, and keep Trump at the center of attention, as usual.


It would take courage to do that which is something the GOP congress a lacks.
 
2017-09-04 01:31:53 PM  
There will be some 2018 electoral cycle calculus. Congress had the votes to pass this before except Boehner invoke the child molester, er make that the Hastert Rule to block a vote.

There are many in the GOP who are vulnerable to bad policy on DACA. I'm not looking for them to stand up and do the right thing from any moral perspective but they might from a self-preservation perspective.
 
2017-09-04 01:32:18 PM  
I doubt Trump and his Department of Homeland Security will use DACA application information to arrest and deport Dreamers.

Why would they give Dreamers a pass on tactics they've already used against other immigrants?

Dozens of senators and representatives have spoken out in defense of DACA.

Unless 'dozens' means "at least 67 senators and 290 representatives" then I think dreamers can keep right on worrying.
 
2017-09-04 01:33:08 PM  
It would be funny if the Republicans hatred of Trump over rules their racist tendencies.
 
2017-09-04 01:34:49 PM  

Catlenfell: It would be funny if the Republicans hatred of Trump over rules their racist tendencies.


It won't.
 
2017-09-04 01:35:51 PM  

berylman: I actually think they might, not out of a sense of what is right but because they know their ass is really on the line with this issue. But who knows, they rely upon short voter memories to forget this silly injustice in 2018.


The only way that voter's memories of Republican congressmen and senators voting for DACA in 2018 will matter one way or the other is if Republican primary voters in 2017 have a memory of them voting against it.
 
2017-09-04 01:37:47 PM  

Karac: I doubt Trump and his Department of Homeland Security will use DACA application information to arrest and deport Dreamers.

Why would they give Dreamers a pass on tactics they've already used against other immigrants?

Dozens of senators and representatives have spoken out in defense of DACA.

Unless 'dozens' means "at least 67 senators and 290 representatives" then I think dreamers can keep right on worrying.


Yeah, I figuratively laughed out loud when I read that.
 
2017-09-04 01:40:18 PM  
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2017-09-04 01:41:07 PM  

Catlenfell: It would be funny if the Republicans hatred of Trump over rules their racist tendencies.


Well... their love of slurping donor cawks has, traditionally, overruled their racism, and the traditional big business base really doesn't approve of this course of action.

Really, it's more about whether or not the republican leadership, who really don't want those checks to stop coming in, can manage to find a tasty enough carrot to keep the idiots in the Freedom Caucus from derailing any attempt.

That said, I don't see it happening. Making lives miserable for "Mexicans" out of spite plays too well to the republican base for the teabaggers to resist siding with Trump.
 
2017-09-04 01:42:31 PM  

mod_reright: If they have any sense of decency they will.


Oh dear, we're screwed  :(
 
2017-09-04 01:43:37 PM  
Don't worry, the GOP Congress has shown that it can be remarkably swift when coming up with repeal and replace plans.
 
2017-09-04 01:43:41 PM  

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2017-09-04 01:44:51 PM  
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2017-09-04 01:45:28 PM  
A bill the make DACA law will be introduced
An amendment to provide funding to build the wall will be attached to kill support from the Democrats
An amendment to raise the debt ceiling to infinity + 1 dollars will be attached to kill support from the Tea Party
It will fail, Pual Ryan will look sad and say, 'we did all we could to help'
 
2017-09-04 01:46:28 PM  
There is one year left before the midterms.  The Republican led Congress needs to pass some popular legislation or face a purge.

The Republicans spent 6 months failing to pass an unpopular ACA repeal that they had no internal consensus on.

And they are facing a bruising September vote on a debt ceiling increase, which will probably pass but will create a lot of additional tension between conservatives and moderates.

They had hoped to pivot to tax cuts, which while difficult could prove popular enough to save their seats, and then maybe move on to infrastructure, which would also be popular.

But instead now they are being forced to pivot to immigration reform, which if anything they have less consensus on than healthcare, and is likely to be equally unpopular and take just as long to hash through.

And when Mueller's report comes next year, they will need to deal with that, and their window for passing serious legislation before the mid terms will be closed.

In a nutshell, they are being ordered to jump off a cliff.
 
2017-09-04 01:48:36 PM  
Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.
 
2017-09-04 01:49:16 PM  
Yeah, ok. You think Congressional Republicans want to suffer the wrath of the Trump electorate. Their asses will be primaried swiftly. You'll end up with a Senate Majority Leader Joe Arpaio and House Majority Leader David Clarke.
 
2017-09-04 01:52:46 PM  

freidog: A bill the make DACA law will be introduced
An amendment to provide funding to build the wall will be attached to kill support from the Democrats
An amendment to raise the debt ceiling to infinity + 1 dollars will be attached to kill support from the Tea Party
It will fail, Pual Ryan will look sad and say, 'we did all we could to help'


That's what I'm thinking. Republicans will draft a bill in support of DACA, then attach so many absurd riders on it it will never pass.

Then use this against the Dems in 2018. "They didn't want the Dreamers to stay!"
 
2017-09-04 01:57:14 PM  

dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.


Or better yet, give them all Ebola and send them back where they came from!
 
2017-09-04 01:58:54 PM  

Karac: I doubt Trump and his Department of Homeland Security will use DACA application information to arrest and deport Dreamers.

Why would they give Dreamers a pass on tactics they've already used against other immigrants?

Dozens of senators and representatives have spoken out in defense of DACA.

Unless 'dozens' means "at least 67 senators and 290 representatives" then I think dreamers can keep right on worrying.


Forcing Trump to veto a DACA protection bill would itself be interesting. Not that interesting repairs broken families.
 
2017-09-04 02:00:08 PM  

dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.


Because they have established lives here in the US and it's not their fault that their parents didn't follow our convoluted and expensive immigration laws as they fled poverty and violence in their countries of birth.

This isn't hard.  A little thinking and a tiny amount of empathy will bring understanding.
 
2017-09-04 02:05:00 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.

Because they have established lives here in the US and it's not their fault that their parents didn't follow our convoluted and expensive immigration laws as they fled poverty and violence in their countries of birth.

This isn't hard.  A little thinking and a tiny amount of empathy will bring understanding.


So you're saying there's a no chance?
 
2017-09-04 02:05:08 PM  
"Help me achieve my political goals or I'll hurt some children", said ISIL, Al Qaeda, Donald Trump...
 
2017-09-04 02:05:59 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.

Because they have established lives here in the US and it's not their fault that their parents didn't follow our convoluted and expensive immigration laws as they fled poverty and violence in their countries of birth.

This isn't hard.  A little thinking and a tiny amount of empathy will bring understanding.


And we like them more than we like dwrash and think they'll make better citizens than him.
 
2017-09-04 02:08:15 PM  

dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.


Because having your entire life uprooted and being thrown into a foreign country where you have no connections, knowledge, or experience is a great thing to happen.
 
2017-09-04 02:14:34 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.

Because they have established lives here in the US and it's not their fault that their parents didn't follow our convoluted and expensive immigration laws as they fled poverty and violence in their countries of birth.

This isn't hard.  A little thinking and a tiny amount of empathy will bring understanding.


It really is just precisely this simple.
 
2017-09-04 02:15:21 PM  

dwrash: Why do they need protecting?  Seriously.  They have probably already learned enough to return to their birth countries to make them better.


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2017-09-04 02:21:45 PM  
I'll say it again: if Trump really stood behind his decision there would be no 6-month delay. He would just put it into effect and that's that. He's a coward and won't make the tough choice, and he frankly doesn't really believe in anything strongly enough to take the heat. 

Any delay is just a way to shift responsibility/blame to Congress. If they pass something that's veto-proof he can say he tried to end DACA and was undercut. If they pass nothing he can say he gave them a chance and they didn't take it so really they are the ones that ended it. If they send him a bill he could veto he can probably still sign it and say it is nothing like what Obama did so it's ok to support and really he should get the credit for making things happen.
 
2017-09-04 02:27:59 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Yes.  Rely on the Republican congress to do right by Hispanics and other immigrants.

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"Help, My Ass Is Haunted"?
 
2017-09-04 02:30:13 PM  
Oh, wait, you're serious, let them Laugh Panic Harder...
 
2017-09-04 02:43:30 PM  
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2017-09-04 02:46:15 PM  

freidog: A bill the make DACA law will be introduced
An amendment to provide funding to build the wall will be attached to kill support from the Democrats
An amendment to raise the debt ceiling to infinity + 1 dollars will be attached to kill support from the Tea Party
It will fail, Pual Ryan will look sad and say, 'we did all we could to help'


I am more expecting a vulnerable Republican to propose a straight up bill to protect these people. The wing nuts will reject it (no need to add anything to it) and Ryan will through his hands up claiming "Hastert rule".
 
2017-09-04 02:48:44 PM  

Cork on Fork: I'll say it again: if Trump really stood behind his decision there would be no 6-month delay. He would just put it into effect and that's that. He's a coward and won't make the tough choice, and he frankly doesn't really believe in anything strongly enough to take the heat.


That's one possibility.

The other is that by announcing a six month delay, he gets to put himself in front of cameras twice: both now and in six months when he actually implements the change.  He could just be saying "Stay tuned for next week's shocking reveal!"
 
2017-09-04 02:53:45 PM  

Irving Maimway: Again, please tell me how Trump and Hillary are the same. Neil Farking Gorsuch would not be a SCOTUS justice if Hillary was president. But by all mean, please explain to me what I'm missing.


I don't agree with either of them on 100% of things!

/chexmix, Liberace!
 
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