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(The Raw Story)   Let's all point and laugh at Steve King's (R-eal psychopath) pain and disappointment over Trump's six-month delay on DACA   ( rawstory.com) divider line
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2017-09-04 12:01:07 AM  
Steve King can ESAD for that level of compassion towards his fellow man.  Nice to know Christian charity is taught in the great heartland of this country.
 
2017-09-04 12:04:59 AM  
Steve King is a disgusting piece of shiat.

That is all.
 
2017-09-04 12:40:15 AM  
That guy looks more like a hate puppet every day. Was not surprised to see his wide-eyed rictus after clicking the article.
 
2017-09-04 12:57:52 AM  
Steve King stopped fantasizing about the calf muscles of young Latino men long enough to bring both hands to the keyboard for a tweet?
 
2017-09-04 01:12:55 AM  
Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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2017-09-04 02:34:36 AM  
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/FU both
 
2017-09-04 02:48:13 AM  

stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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And he's from farking IOWA. It must take actual effort to be that putrid of a shiatstain.
 
2017-09-04 05:12:00 AM  
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2017-09-04 05:32:59 AM  
While most of the world reacted with horror at the news that President Donald Trump plans to announce a repeal of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals Act (DACA) because it means 800,000 Americans could be forced out of the only homeland they've ever known, one person was sick with disappointment that the roundups won't start for six months.

Oh FFS.  Look, I'm completely against kicking these folks out, believe we need to unfark our immigration system by making it EASIER to come here, think the GOP is a farking cancer on our nation that owes its survival to white nationalism, and could give two farks about where someone came from BUT could we PLEASE stop dicking around with the language with this kind of bullshiat right here? One can't simply declare themselves American no more than I could declare myself a Martian.  This kind of twisted partisan-polarized language crap is a part of our goddamned problem.
 
2017-09-04 06:58:13 AM  

doyner: While most of the world reacted with horror at the news that President Donald Trump plans to announce a repeal of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals Act (DACA) because it means 800,000 Americans could be forced out of the only homeland they've ever known, one person was sick with disappointment that the roundups won't start for six months.

Oh FFS.  Look, I'm completely against kicking these folks out, believe we need to unfark our immigration system by making it EASIER to come here, think the GOP is a farking cancer on our nation that owes its survival to white nationalism, and could give two farks about where someone came from BUT could we PLEASE stop dicking around with the language with this kind of bullshiat right here? One can't simply declare themselves American no more than I could declare myself a Martian.  This kind of twisted partisan-polarized language crap is a part of our goddamned problem.


Really?  Because that is how it has been done since the country started.
Both Sides are not bad so fark yourself
 
2017-09-04 06:58:24 AM  
I have a cousin named Steve King, not the famous author, and I'd rather not associate him with this waste of oxygen.
 
2017-09-04 07:03:31 AM  

stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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Wow, the traitor flag AND the DTOM.  I'd love to hear his thoughts on the Branch Dildonians.
 
2017-09-04 07:09:29 AM  

doyner: While most of the world reacted with horror at the news that President Donald Trump plans to announce a repeal of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals Act (DACA) because it means 800,000 Americans could be forced out of the only homeland they've ever known, one person was sick with disappointment that the roundups won't start for six months.

Oh FFS.  Look, I'm completely against kicking these folks out, believe we need to unfark our immigration system by making it EASIER to come here, think the GOP is a farking cancer on our nation that owes its survival to white nationalism, and could give two farks about where someone came from BUT could we PLEASE stop dicking around with the language with this kind of bullshiat right here? One can't simply declare themselves American no more than I could declare myself a Martian.  This kind of twisted partisan-polarized language crap is a part of our goddamned problem.


What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here?  Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?
 
2017-09-04 07:09:48 AM  
Aww. Poor guy has to wait six months before he can gloat over the brown people.
Do you need a hug?  Preferably by someone who has calves like cantaloupes.
Hey, jerkwad. These people contribute more than you do to our country.
 
2017-09-04 07:16:30 AM  
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stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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Why...  Why is an Iowan flying a Confederate flag?  I was told the flag was about heritage, not hate.  So why doe he have one?

TuteTibiImperes: What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here? Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?


Republicans believe that you're Mexican for life.  Even if you've never been to Mexico yourself.  Even Cubans are Mexican to the Republicans.
 
2017-09-04 07:17:55 AM  

doyner: While most of the world reacted with horror at the news that President Donald Trump plans to announce a repeal of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals Act (DACA) because it means 800,000 Americans could be forced out of the only homeland they've ever known, one person was sick with disappointment that the roundups won't start for six months.

Oh FFS.  Look, I'm completely against kicking these folks out, believe we need to unfark our immigration system by making it EASIER to come here, think the GOP is a farking cancer on our nation that owes its survival to white nationalism, and could give two farks about where someone came from BUT could we PLEASE stop dicking around with the language with this kind of bullshiat right here? One can't simply declare themselves American no more than I could declare myself a Martian.  This kind of twisted partisan-polarized language crap is a part of our goddamned problem.


No, you are the one trying to inject your twisted partisan polarized language crap into this. Kids that grow up here have just as much right to call themselves American as you, regardless of their visa status.

Send them back to some country where they have no family, friends, don't even speak the language and they end up being as much a foreigner there as you would.
 
2017-09-04 07:19:16 AM  

harleyquinnical: Steve King can ESAD for that level of compassion towards his fellow man.  Nice to know Christian charity is taught in the great heartland of this country.

DeadPhelps: Steve King is a disgusting piece of shiat.That is all.

JohnnyApocalypse: That guy looks more like a hate puppet every day.


And he represents America's values according to our ruling party.  But have a nice day.
 
2017-09-04 07:33:50 AM  
haknudsen:Both Sides are not bad so fark yourself

JFC.  I'm not saying both sides are bad.  In fact, I'm on the same goddamned side as you and the other people that piled on.  My argument is about language; it's bastardization is a major part of the problem.  (It's like the pro choice/pro life bullshiat. It's for legalized abortion/against legalized abortion for fark's sake.)

People are so quick to knee-jerk and bash folks like me (in this case) because I am critiquing the erosion of meaning in our shared language in an article I FARKING AGREE WITH OTHERWISE because I haven't succumbed to the rigid orthodoxy that demands uniformity.

My point is that these word choices are solely meant to trigger emotions to the detriment of an otherwise solid argument.  It's lazy reporting and bad journalism pretending to be something more than clickbait when it could have actually gotten the point across without a hyperbolic slant.

So, no, you go fark yourself.  I'm many times more critical of the right-wing derposphere on these matters, but you see me as the enemy because I take issue with the polarization of language that makes people talk around each other.
 
2017-09-04 07:41:37 AM  
Congress now has the responsibility, and Donnie got the press. He punted this sh*tburger, and now Congress is left with the mess. Ultimately, King realizes this.

Donnie throwing Congress under the bus, for some cheap publicity and attention seeking, while avoiding any real responsibility is sort of his signature move.

Y'all motherf*ckers won. Get over it.
 
2017-09-04 07:42:25 AM  
I see a striking resemblance..

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Mostly around the crazy eyes.
 
2017-09-04 07:43:35 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here?  Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?


I'd call them what they are: an illegally resident alien that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship.

Again, I'm on the same side (of this issue) as the folks spewing vitriol at me.  I always have been.  I'm just tired of the semantic waters becoming increasingly muddied to the point that we don't have a common basis from which to communicate with each other.
 
2017-09-04 07:48:34 AM  

RJReves: I see a striking resemblance..

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Mostly around the crazy eyes.


Yeah, those eyes are lit by amphetamines mania I don't know
 
2017-09-04 07:49:10 AM  

doyner: TuteTibiImperes: What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here?  Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?

I'd call them what they are: an illegally resident alien that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship.

Again, I'm on the same side (of this issue) as the folks spewing vitriol at me.  I always have been.  I'm just tired of the semantic waters becoming increasingly muddied to the point that we don't have a common basis from which to communicate with each other.


The zeal with which you use the words illegal and alien is noted.
 
2017-09-04 07:54:10 AM  

Lady J: The zeal with which you use the words illegal and alien is noted.


I've always wanted dossiers kept on me.  Thanks.
 
2017-09-04 07:57:18 AM  

Lady J: RJReves: I see a striking resemblance..

[img.fark.net image 410x220]

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Mostly around the crazy eyes.

Yeah, those eyes are lit by amphetamines mania I don't know


The Holey Ghost?
 
2017-09-04 08:01:43 AM  

doyner: Again, I'm on the same side (of this issue) as the folks spewing vitriol at me.  I always have been.  I'm just tired of the semantic waters becoming increasingly muddied to the point that we don't have a common basis from which to communicate with each other.


I see calling dreamers Americans as more of a rounding error (due to social skills). Out of idle curiosity, how's being a condescending pedant working out for you in general?
 
2017-09-04 08:05:45 AM  

Krokodil Tears: Out of idle curiosity, how's being a condescending pedant working out for you in general?


To whom did I initiate a condescending tone?
 
2017-09-04 08:07:17 AM  

doyner: haknudsen:Both Sides are not bad so fark yourself

JFC.  I'm not saying both sides are bad.  In fact, I'm on the same goddamned side as you and the other people that piled on.  My argument is about language; it's bastardization is a major part of the problem.  (It's like the pro choice/pro life bullshiat. It's for legalized abortion/against legalized abortion for fark's sake.)

People are so quick to knee-jerk and bash folks like me (in this case) because I am critiquing the erosion of meaning in our shared language in an article I FARKING AGREE WITH OTHERWISE because I haven't succumbed to the rigid orthodoxy that demands uniformity.

My point is that these word choices are solely meant to trigger emotions to the detriment of an otherwise solid argument.  It's lazy reporting and bad journalism pretending to be something more than clickbait when it could have actually gotten the point across without a hyperbolic slant.


1. I feel for you (really I do) because Fark has clearly fallen into this bizarre place where any attempt to nuance or complicate anything makes one into an unacceptable piece of shiat.

2. Still, I take issue with this claim "I am critiquing the erosion of meaning in our shared language."While you are welcome to your opinion, you are falling into the trap of believing that what the law defines as something is what that something is. A more vulgar understanding of what it means to be "American" is common throughout American history and often contentions over those meanings are political arguments over what sort of society we want. Currently in America a lot of folks pretty much don't think anyone who is not white and Christian is an American. Others feel that if you have lived her much of your live and you are culturally assimilated, then you are an American.

3. You are correct that the writer's just dropping in one interpretation uncritically is pretty shiatty journalism. Then again, this is RawStory, so is it really journalism at all?
 
2017-09-04 08:10:28 AM  
If Steve King, Ann Coulter, Bannon etc genuinely wanted America to prosper they would drive down to the border, get down on their knees and start begging and pleading for more illegal immigrants to come here.

Contrary to the fairytales these guys have tried to spread, illegal immigrants don't tend to vote. But they do buy a lot of stuff. Trump's rhetoric alone has caused a lot of people to lose interest in immigrating to this country. Not to mention the increased harassment of both legal and illegal immigrants by ICE agents has undermined decades of work by local law enforcement and attorneys general to encourage them to cooperate with the justice system. There are some important reasons we ought to instead be encouraging immigration.

First, the vast majority of the roughly 12 million undocumented who are already here, whether they overstayed visa, came here without getting papers, had some visa or legal issue, whatever - they are still going to be here next year.

They are never going to get rounded up and deported en masse. At most you will see a few hundred thousand deportations per year. And that's even if Trump and Sessions succeed in their plans to waste billions of dollars every year to hire 15,000 new ICE agents, and who knows how many billions more on a wall.

These immigrants will still be here next year, and the year after that, and they'll still be working, earning money, buying products and services from your local businesses, cars, houses, groceries, TVs, computers - these are not destitute people living on the streets or consuming welfare and food stamps. They are consumers with significant purchasing power who don't rely on government assistance. These are exactly the kind of people we need more of in this country.

109 million US citizens receive federal welfare benefits every month. This is excluding US citizens who receive social security, unemployment, veterans benefits, etc (if you add those, the number is 153 million).

Meanwhile, out of 12 million illegal immigrants:
- 1/3 own their own home and pay property taxes
- 100% pay municipal, city and state sales taxes on the goods and services they buy every day
- They buy so much goods and services every year that their spending in the US (even after excluding remittances to family abroad) is directly responsible for generating 5% of all the jobs in the US
- They are propping up the social security system because they have paid in $100 billion during the past 10 years, even though they cannot receive any Social Security payments
- 100% of the 12 million illegal immigrants pay at least the same amount or more federal income taxes every year than Donald Trump paid in 1995
- Zero illegal immigrants receive food stamps. If you suspect otherwise, I encourage you to take any illegal immigrant down to the food stamp or welfare office and try to get them approved.
- Zero illegal immigrants receive welfare, Aid for Families with Dependent Children, SNAP, Section 8, etc
Even if an illegal immigrant becomes legal resident in the future (e.g., marries US citizen, gets greencard), they cannot apply for welfare, Section 8 or food stamps until they have worked full time for 10 years after becoming legal resident or their spouse can be jailed and the spouse and spouse's family must pay fines.
- Nearly every kind of immigrant other than asylum refugees are prevented from receiving these kind of benefits for 10 years after obtaining resident permit. This includes F and K visa holders, H1-B, nearly every category. Even their US citizen spouses cannot apply for food stamps or federal benefits until the immigrant has worked full time for 40 quarters (10 years). We should be doubling or tripling the number of H-1Bs, not reducing them.
- This is quite different from France for example, where refugee applicants receive an allowance of 300 Euros/month, and then if approved for visa get 3 years state financed housing with full welfare benefits.

As for why both illegal immigrants and visa holders in the US work harder than many citizens, many come from countries where there is no safety net. Most didn't come here from France. If there is no welfare, do you imagine everyone starves to death? No, they know how to hustle to earn a living and put food on the table.

In Mexico, China, Vietnam and most other countries, if you don't work, you don't eat and your kids don't eat. You get off the couch, bust your rear and find a job, and if you don't find a job you hustle and make your own job. You cook tamales or pho or dumplings for sale or buy some fruit, candy, flowers, any cheap items wholesale and sell them on the corner.

This basic drive to feed your kids is an incentive that has led to many technological and business innovations during the past 200 years. There are now 109 million US citizens receiving some form of federal welfare every month. The problem is not that they are a drain on our tax dollars, but that many have lost this incentive, and we will never know what amazing things they might have done otherwise.

The rate of new business startups by US citizens has dropped like a rock since 1978 partly due to this lack of incentive, along with millennial generation's aversion to risk, low birth rate (1.84 vs 3.65 in 1960s) and other factors.

Now immigrants both legal and illegal are not only stimulating the economy with their purchases but also carrying the torch for this fading entrepreneurial spirit in our country. As a result:
- More than half of all US startups worth more than $1 billion were founded by immigrants, collectively worth $168 billion
- More than 40% of all US Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or children of immigrants, with total revenues of $4.2 trillion and employing more than 10 million people worldwide.
- Seven of the ten most valuable brands in the world come from companies founded by US immigrants or their children.

Immigrants from many countries tend to share the entrepreneurial perspective which has been part of the GOP platform for years. Trump, Sessions and Bannon, etc have now positioned the GOP as the party that "protects" white people from immigrants by wasting lots of tax dollars on symbolic measures, walls, for-profit detention facilities, hiring 15,000 new headcount ICE agents, limiting and restricting authorized visa holders, etc...ultimately harming our economy in the long term.

America's economic health depends on ever increasing consumption of goods produced by businesses and continual growth of business investment. We rely on the domestic market growing in size, not shrinking. With our declining 1.84 birthrate, unless immigrants continue moving here in great numbers each year, the size of the US population will stop growing and the size of US market will stagnate (fewer US consumers to whom we can sell our products and services), just as this has already occurred in Italy and Japan with devastating effect on the economy.

The more urgent issue is however is that due to 1.84 fertility rate and advances in medicine, the Social Security worker-to-benefit ratio will drop to 2.1 with unsustainable 50% working age population within a few decades. Only three quick ways to fix this:
(1) raise retirement age;
(2) reduce benefits; or
(3) encourage more immigration. Massive increase in all categories of work visas granted should do the trick. And the process for updating expired (or non-existent) visa should be more along the lines of updating your vehicle registration at the DMV.

More background on this for anyone interested:
http://www.itep.org/pdf/immigration2016.pdf
http://www.businessinsider.com/immigrants-create-jobs-for-local-worke​r​s-2015-6
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/actually-immigrat​i​on-can-create-jobs/391997/
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jem6x/hong%20mclaren%200615%20shot%20​i​n%20the%20arm.pdf
https://news.vice.com/article/unauthorized-immigrants-paid-100-billio​n​-into-social-security-over-last-decade
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-public-benefits-can-green​-​card-holder-receive.html
http://www.inc.com/magazine/201505/leigh-buchanan/the-vanishing-start​u​ps-in-decline.html
http://fortune.com/2016/03/18/billion-dollar-startup-founders-immigra​n​ts-study-nfap/
http://nfap.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Immigrants-and-Billion-Dol​l​ar-Startups.NFAP-Policy-Brief.March-2016.pdf
http://www.dw.com/en/impact-of-japans-shrinking-population-already-pa​l​pable/a-18172873
http://blog.euromonitor.com/2007/09/italian-ageing-and-declining-popu​l​ation-will-affect-consumption.html
http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-demographics-rule-the-global-economy-​1​448203724
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v66n4/v66n4p37.html
 
2017-09-04 08:14:53 AM  

doyner: TuteTibiImperes: What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here?  Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?

I'd call them what they are: an illegally resident alien that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship.

Again, I'm on the same side (of this issue) as the folks spewing vitriol at me.  I always have been.  I'm just tired of the semantic waters becoming increasingly muddied to the point that we don't have a common basis from which to communicate with each other.


Personally, I like the choice of language to call them Americans, because in every way that counts, that's what they are.  If it helps bridge an emotional gap to humanize them to those that want them deported, so much the better.

Too many of the bigots on the right probably envision these kids as  tatted up MS13 members with eyebrows drawn in magic marker slinging drugs on the corner while popping out babies as fast as they can.

The reality that they are just as hard working, culturally American, dedicated to their communities, and wanting to work to build a life here as the average white kid in Boise, ID needs to be rammed down their throats.
 
2017-09-04 08:16:44 AM  
King is a national embarrassment.
 
2017-09-04 08:20:15 AM  
moviemarketing:
As for why both illegal immigrants and visa holders in the US work harder than many citizens, many come from countries where there is no safety net. Most didn't come here from France. If there is no welfare, do you imagine everyone starves to death? No, they know how to hustle to earn a living and put food on the table.

In Mexico, China, Vietnam and most other countries, if you don't work, you don't eat and your kids don't eat. You get off the couch, bust your rear and find a job, and if you don't find a job you hustle and make your own job. You cook tamales or pho or dumplings for sale or buy some fruit, candy, flowers, any cheap items wholesale and sell them on the corner.


I liked your whole post, but this especially.

I've never understood why people think immigrants come to the US or UK just to claim benefits. If you're too lazy to get a job, then you're too lazy to relocate to another country. Someone who is willing to build their life up from nothing, and take on all that work and risk, is absolutely the sort of person I want in my society.

When I read something in the paper about a Somalian refugee girl getting a full scholarship to Oxford or whatever, it warms the cockles of my little heart. What will this person achieve?? And now they live here! : )
 
2017-09-04 08:24:37 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Personally, I like the choice of language to call them Americans, because in every way that counts, that's what they are.  If it helps bridge an emotional gap to humanize them to those that want them deported, so much the better.

Too many of the bigots on the right probably envision these kids as  tatted up MS13 members with eyebrows drawn in magic marker slinging drugs on the corner while popping out babies as fast as they can.

The reality that they are just as hard working, culturally American, dedicated to their communities, and wanting to work to build a life here as the average white kid in Boise, ID needs to be rammed down their throats.


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2017-09-04 08:31:11 AM  
Whoa, there is some crazy eye goodness in that photo. Why does that nutball keep elected? Iowans I have met are perfectly sane, nice people. Of course they were from Iowa and not in Iowa, but still.
 
2017-09-04 08:33:07 AM  
I'm here for the doyner gangbang.
 
2017-09-04 08:36:32 AM  

DeadPhelps: Steve King is a disgusting piece of shiat.

That is all.


Boy howdy. How he escaped being Trump's VP is one of life's enduring mysteries.
 
2017-09-04 08:38:40 AM  

carrion_luggage: DeadPhelps: Steve King is a disgusting piece of shiat.

That is all.

Boy howdy. How he escaped being Trump's VP is one of life's enduring mysteries.


shh! he'll hear you!
 
2017-09-04 08:39:58 AM  

Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: I'm here for the doyner gangbang.


Coats in the bedroom, drinks in the kitchen. Are you the one with the latex allergy?
 
2017-09-04 08:41:55 AM  
moviemarketing:
America's economic health depends on ever increasing consumption of goods produced by businesses and continual growth of business investment. We rely on the domestic market growing in size, not shrinking. With our declining 1.84 birthrate, unless immigrants continue moving here in great numbers each year, the size of the US population will stop growing and the size of US market will stagnate (fewer US consumers to whom we can sell our products and services), just as this has already occurred in Italy and Japan with devastating effect on the economy.

Ooo, that's a bingo! Yes, look at Japan if you want to see what happens to your economy if you strictly limit immigration.  Also immigrants are much more likely to start businesses than native-born.

But as farkers, you knew all that :D
 
2017-09-04 08:43:07 AM  

doyner: TuteTibiImperes: What would you call someone who was brought here as a child, has all of their life experiences, schooling, friends, memories, etc, here?  Are they Mexican because they spent the first 9 months of their life on that side of the border, or American because they spend the next 19 years on this side?

I'd call them what they are: an illegally resident alien that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship.

Again, I'm on the same side (of this issue) as the folks spewing vitriol at me.  I always have been.  I'm just tired of the semantic waters becoming increasingly muddied to the point that we don't have a common basis from which to communicate with each other.


"800,000 illegally resident aliens that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship will be sent to mexico."

But at least you are technically correct at the expense of having anybody actually give a shiat about the substance of your point.

Ain't semantic pedantry grand?

I will call them americans because I think it is more rhetorically effective.

You call them "illegally resident aliens that should be granted permanent legal status if not citizenship" and we'll see who makes more progress.

Oh but that progress will be had at the expense of LANGUAGE! you say...

Fight with the weapons you have, I say.
 
2017-09-04 08:46:18 AM  

FishCake: moviemarketing:
America's economic health depends on ever increasing consumption of goods produced by businesses and continual growth of business investment. We rely on the domestic market growing in size, not shrinking. With our declining 1.84 birthrate, unless immigrants continue moving here in great numbers each year, the size of the US population will stop growing and the size of US market will stagnate (fewer US consumers to whom we can sell our products and services), just as this has already occurred in Italy and Japan with devastating effect on the economy.

Ooo, that's a bingo! Yes, look at Japan if you want to see what happens to your economy if you strictly limit immigration.  Also immigrants are much more likely to start businesses than native-born.

But as farkers, you knew all that :D


That's not the only problem though. If the birth rate is below replacement, then in 20-30 years then you havent got a big enough workforce to pay for pensions and welfare.

It's a massive problem in N Europe. And is one of the reasons (along with it being the right thing to do)  that Germany was so keen to take refugees, as Germany's birth rate is one of the lowest.
 
2017-09-04 08:46:45 AM  

Lady J: Helen Keller's Moaning Hand: I'm here for the doyner gangbang.

Coats in the bedroom, drinks in the kitchen. Are you the one with the latex allergy?


No, baby, I'm not allergic to anything. I'm all that is man.
 
2017-09-04 08:52:20 AM  

doyner: JFC. I'm not saying both sides are bad. In fact, I'm on the same goddamned side as you and the other people that piled on. My argument is about language; it's bastardization is a major part of the problem.


It's ironic that after your screed about the bastardization of language you use phrases like major part of the problem to describe calling these people Americans. Really!? Calling them Americans is a major part of the problem? Is it a bigger part of the problem than the people actively trying to evict them from the only country they know as home? More than the nativist bigotry that allows Steve King to label them en masse as drug smugglers? More of a problem than the lies about their impact on the economy that allow people to justify their lack of compassion?

And then you question why people interpret your comments as a BSAB argument.
 
2017-09-04 09:01:11 AM  

stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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Amusing that he has family pictures for show on his desk, you know, to show that he's a family guy, otherwise those pictures should be facing towards him.
 
2017-09-04 09:05:25 AM  

Flappyhead: stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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Wow, the traitor flag AND the DTOM.  I'd love to hear his thoughts on the Branch Dildonians.


More funny when you consider that Iowa was a union state during that war so you can't claim that flag is there because of the history of the state.
 
2017-09-04 09:07:15 AM  

Latinwolf: stan unusual: Cry more you krypto klansman traitorous POS.
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Amusing that he has family pictures for show on his desk, you know, to show that he's a family guy, otherwise those pictures should be facing towards him.


HAHA hadn't noticed that. Found another family photo:

i.imgur.com
 
2017-09-04 09:13:34 AM  

Lady J: moviemarketing:
As for why both illegal immigrants and visa holders in the US work harder than many citizens, many come from countries where there is no safety net. Most didn't come here from France. If there is no welfare, do you imagine everyone starves to death? No, they know how to hustle to earn a living and put food on the table.

In Mexico, China, Vietnam and most other countries, if you don't work, you don't eat and your kids don't eat. You get off the couch, bust your rear and find a job, and if you don't find a job you hustle and make your own job. You cook tamales or pho or dumplings for sale or buy some fruit, candy, flowers, any cheap items wholesale and sell them on the corner.

I liked your whole post, but this especially.

I've never understood why people think immigrants come to the US or UK just to claim benefits. If you're too lazy to get a job, then you're too lazy to relocate to another country. Someone who is willing to build their life up from nothing, and take on all that work and risk, is absolutely the sort of person I want in my society.

When I read something in the paper about a Somalian refugee girl getting a full scholarship to Oxford or whatever, it warms the cockles of my little heart. What will this person achieve?? And now they live here! : )


Those people relocated to a new home to better themselves unlike other people, like those from the Appalachians who refuse to do anything to better themselves, but guess who Trump and the Republicans favor?
 
2017-09-04 09:17:21 AM  
King, Trunp, Bannon...


These people are real life comic book villains.
 
2017-09-04 09:17:37 AM  
Trump is your king, you're already dead.
 
2017-09-04 09:36:14 AM  

doyner: haknudsen:Both Sides are not bad so fark yourself

JFC.  I'm not saying both sides are bad.  In fact, I'm on the same goddamned side as you and the other people that piled on.  My argument is about language; it's bastardization is a major part of the problem.  (It's like the pro choice/pro life bullshiat. It's for legalized abortion/against legalized abortion for fark's sake.)

People are so quick to knee-jerk and bash folks like me (in this case) because I am critiquing the erosion of meaning in our shared language in an article I FARKING AGREE WITH OTHERWISE because I haven't succumbed to the rigid orthodoxy that demands uniformity.

My point is that these word choices are solely meant to trigger emotions to the detriment of an otherwise solid argument.  It's lazy reporting and bad journalism pretending to be something more than clickbait when it could have actually gotten the point across without a hyperbolic slant.

So, no, you go fark yourself.  I'm many times more critical of the right-wing derposphere on these matters, but you see me as the enemy because I take issue with the polarization of language that makes people talk around each other.


Yeah, they are bad guys but we really should do what they say...
 
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