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2017-09-02 11:41:08 PM  
That's a wonderful story full of anecdote and axe grinding. It's sure fits the narrative of big charity grifting but is just a rant from a globe trotter who showed up to places and left right away. I thought theu would at least have a gripping tale of woe and misery instead of "well, I showed up here and red cross was too because cameras." Not even a detailed reason why the Red cross sucked in Haiti, just regurgitated collective consciousness. I am sad I bothered to read the whole thing.
 
2017-09-03 12:49:02 AM  
They give the money to Hillary.
 
2017-09-03 01:49:21 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: That's a wonderful story full of anecdote and axe grinding.


Hey, if you can't trust some random blogger on the internet who offers no facts, figures, or citations, what can you trust?
 
2017-09-03 02:34:40 AM  
They proved far more successful than the Red Cross or the government in no small part because Palantir - the spooky Silicon Valley-funded private spy operation - gave Rubicon free access to information and triage systems they'd developed for the U.S. military in Iraq as a way to beta-test those systems here.

That article was all over the place. How does the anecdote above say anything at all about the Red Cross? Hell, he goes on for 4 paragraphs of fark all about RC before even *starting* to get to the point.
 
2017-09-03 02:46:29 AM  
There was basically zero information in that pile of words.
 
2017-09-03 02:48:04 AM  
Pretty much any large charity is a money sink where very little goes to help the downtrodden.
 
2017-09-03 02:51:38 AM  
Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane​-harvey-r​elief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.
 
2017-09-03 02:53:02 AM  
Can I avoid the PLAGUE like the plague first? Otherwise I might need the Red Cross.
 
2017-09-03 02:53:38 AM  
When I was living in the mountains, the Red Cross there had a very poor reputation. Whenever somebody lost their home, the Red Cross workers would show up, butt in where they weren't wanted, only helped you if you knew a member of the good old boys club up there, took in more donations than they reported, and partied like hell.

If I had won that $400 lottery prize last week, I'd be down there writing people zero interest loans or something.
 
2017-09-03 02:54:15 AM  
This comes up every now and then: the Red Cross does not channel donations into any specific disaster, it keeps everything in a fund that can be used for whatever comes up.

So if you donate to the Red Cross to help in Houston, no, the money you give isn't going 100% to Houston.  But that doesn't meant the Red Cross isn't helping.
 
2017-09-03 02:55:02 AM  
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2017-09-03 02:55:54 AM  

inglixthemad: Pretty much any large charity is a money sink where very little goes to help the downtrodden.


Large charities or any charity where their mission statement is "Raise public awareness of ....".  Susan Komen Foundation raises awareness of breast cancer. Is there anyone left in this country who doesn't know that breast cancer is bad?
 
2017-09-03 02:57:20 AM  
Red Cross performs better than any other disaster relief charity and performs better than 90% of all charities according to experts who actually know how charities work and the complexities of trying to build homes in Haiti, which doesn't even have records on who owns what land.

Until another charity performs better than Red Cross then they are the ones getting my money.

Curt Schilling is accepting cash donations for Hurricane Relief.  Maybe you think he's a smart person to trust with the funds?
 
2017-09-03 02:58:37 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.


Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!
 
2017-09-03 02:59:18 AM  

Coelacanth: If I had won that $400 lottery prize last week, I'd be down there writing people zero interest loans or something.


You're going to need to win the lottery 200 times to pay off the damages from Harvey.
 
2017-09-03 02:59:26 AM  

jake_lex: This comes up every now and then: the Red Cross does not channel donations into any specific disaster, it keeps everything in a fund that can be used for whatever comes up.

So if you donate to the Red Cross to help in Houston, no, the money you give isn't going 100% to Houston.  But that doesn't meant the Red Cross isn't helping.


So why does the Red Cross donation page offer the options to donate to general disaster relief or specifically to Harvey relief?

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2017-09-03 03:00:53 AM  
I read my 5 paragraph limit without seeing any trace of a hint of a point yet.  Unpaid opinion column by someone who is desperately waiting to be discovered as a great novelist.
 
2017-09-03 03:02:54 AM  

fusillade762: They proved far more successful than the Red Cross or the government in no small part because Palantir - the spooky Silicon Valley-funded private spy operation - gave Rubicon free access to information and triage systems they'd developed for the U.S. military in Iraq as a way to beta-test those systems here.

That article was all over the place. How does the anecdote above say anything at all about the Red Cross? Hell, he goes on for 4 paragraphs of fark all about RC before even *starting* to get to the point.


Based on that article I have no idea what it is the Red Cross isn't doing that makes him so mad. Or why other agencies that also aren't doing anything don't make him as mad.

My other real question is, what exactly is it that people DO expect the American Red Cross to do as a disaster relief organization, which it does not do, that infuriates people so.

Bearing in mind that this is NOT the International Red Cross, a different agency with a different mission,
They are not a Federal post-disaster funding agency,
They are not a charitable grant foundation, that is, they don't raise money to fund other projects,
And they aren't a welfare agency.
They exist to provide immediate short-term relief in acute disasters for people who are mostly well and mostly ambulatory and need immediate food, shelter, clothing, and basic first aid. What else are they supposed to be doing, that they're not?
 
2017-09-03 03:04:32 AM  

born_yesterday: Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.

Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!


Well, even propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists get something right once in a while.
 
kb5
2017-09-03 03:06:33 AM  

inglixthemad: Pretty much any large charity is a money sink where very little goes to help the downtrodden.


I know there are ineffective and inefficient charities, and I know there are outright scams, but there are also a lot of people who donate $1 expecting that entire $1 to make it to "someone in need", forgetting all of the work it takes to provide services (work people expect to be paid for; they have bills, too), and the amount of assets it takes to deliver those services.
It's the age-old Reality - Expectations = Happiness.
 
2017-09-03 03:07:06 AM  
That was basically a word salad on nothingness.. How was this even green?
 
2017-09-03 03:08:17 AM  
Still waiting for Fark North Korea nuclear explosion story.
No hurry.
I'm it's not the "real one"
Take your time.
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2017-09-03 03:11:20 AM  
Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

I believe there are "worse" characters when it comes to natural disasters, but this is NOT the first time I've heard something to the effect of "the Red Cross is worthless".
 
2017-09-03 03:12:27 AM  

AcademGreen: Still waiting for Fark North Korea nuclear explosion story.
No hurry.
I'm it's not the "real one"
Take your time.
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Got the USGS report of a 0 km depth 6.3 earthquake in NK.
 
2017-09-03 03:12:52 AM  
"with respect to a specific disaster"
 
2017-09-03 03:15:30 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: born_yesterday: Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.

Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!

Well, even propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists get something right once in a while.


Only because they are all watched over by Illuminati from their Mason compound which sits atop the underground reptoid alien base.
 
2017-09-03 03:19:29 AM  

puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

I believe there are "worse" characters when it comes to natural disasters, but this is NOT the first time I've heard something to the effect of "the Red Cross is worthless".


I heard Hillary was up to some bad stuff.

Heard it for years. Must be something to it.
 
2017-09-03 03:23:12 AM  

freakingmoron: Olfin Bedwere: born_yesterday: Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.

Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!

Well, even propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists get something right once in a while.

Only because they are all watched over by Illuminati from their Mason compound which sits atop the underground reptoid alien base.


Touche. Yet I must point out that effects of chem trails (coupled with the nefarious HAARP experiments) basically nullify any existential perspective, essentially rendering any observations at best unreliable, and at worst, completely worthless. And don't even get started about what the pricks at CERN are up to. Those guys are just assholes.
 
2017-09-03 03:35:07 AM  

puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?


More like "this guy is not very good at making a point".  The entire thing seemed to be a weird mix of off-topic rambling along with unsourceable personal anecdotes and humblebrags about various family members - like his his brother who got supersecret data from " spy operations" in California, and his grandfather talking about red cross women from ww2 being stingy with chocolate.  That's some hard hitting opinion right there.

He maaaay be right about...something.  But he seriously needs to go back on his ADD meds before trying to write about it again.
 
2017-09-03 03:41:33 AM  

OgreMagi: inglixthemad: Pretty much any large charity is a money sink where very little goes to help the downtrodden.

Large charities or any charity where their mission statement is "Raise public awareness of ....".  Susan Komen Foundation raises awareness of breast cancer. Is there anyone left in this country who doesn't know that breast cancer is bad?


That's not what "raise awareness" means, and I think you know it.
 
2017-09-03 03:43:37 AM  

Coelacanth: When I was living in the mountains, the Red Cross there had a very poor reputation. Whenever somebody lost their home, the Red Cross workers would show up, butt in where they weren't wanted, only helped you if you knew a member of the good old boys club up there, took in more donations than they reported, and partied like hell.

If I had won that $400 lottery prize last week, I'd be down there writing people zero interest loans or something.


Well, $400 dollars only goes so far. With that money you could probably buy a couple families some food. Maybe go crazy with the Wendy's $1 dollar menu.
 
2017-09-03 03:45:23 AM  

puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

I believe there are "worse" characters when it comes to natural disasters, but this is NOT the first time I've heard something to the effect of "the Red Cross is worthless".


They're got really high name recognition, and they're in a lot of places, so they get a lot of criticism because they're the ones people notice. However, in a place like Haiti, part of the problem IS Haiti. It was farked up governmentally before the earthquake, and it sure as hell didn't get unfarked afterwards. So, no matter how good a charity is, if they come into a place where corruption is rampant and the government is dysfunctional there's only so much they can do.
 
2017-09-03 03:52:42 AM  
the Red Cross let enlisted men languish while plying chocolate and cigarettes on officers.

Zeros get better treatment than enlisted folks? STOP THE PRESSES!!!
 
2017-09-03 03:56:05 AM  

Dark Side Of The Spoon: puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

I believe there are "worse" characters when it comes to natural disasters, but this is NOT the first time I've heard something to the effect of "the Red Cross is worthless".

They're got really high name recognition, and they're in a lot of places, so they get a lot of criticism because they're the ones people notice. However, in a place like Haiti, part of the problem IS Haiti. It was farked up governmentally before the earthquake, and it sure as hell didn't get unfarked afterwards. So, no matter how good a charity is, if they come into a place where corruption is rampant and the government is dysfunctional there's only so much they can do.


With all their money why doesn't the Red Cross overturn the government and fix it?
 
2017-09-03 04:00:52 AM  
Too long won't read
Who here made it pass the first paragraph?
 
kb5
2017-09-03 04:07:08 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Too long won't read
Who here made it pass the first paragraph?


I read all the way to the end, because I could not believe that an editor wrote such tripe, and I was sure it would turn out to be satire or a joke or to have some sort of twist ending.

Nope. Just the Peter Principle taking over journalism.
 
2017-09-03 04:09:32 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: freakingmoron: Olfin Bedwere: born_yesterday: Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.

Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!

Well, even propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists get something right once in a while.

Only because they are all watched over by Illuminati from their Mason compound which sits atop the underground reptoid alien base.

Touche. Yet I must point out that effects of chem trails (coupled with the nefarious HAARP experiments) basically nullify any existential perspective, essentially rendering any observations at best unreliable, and at worst, completely worthless. And don't even get started about what the pricks at CERN are up to. Those guys are just assholes.


I fear not those earthly trifles as I am safely ensconced in TIMECUBE, sipping non-flouridated water while updating the Voynich Manuscript.
 
2017-09-03 04:13:36 AM  
Everyone has cell phones that can take pictures and record video. I haven't seen any video where someone says "Hey look, a Red Cross truck that they say is carrying supplies, it's actually empty" and they show it's empty. That's why I don't take that article seriously.
 
2017-09-03 04:23:26 AM  
Is that fail tag meant as a critique for the article's writer? Because that was painful to read. His cutesy intro paragraphs inspired loathing for him and I'm pretty sure that isn't supposed to be the point, but even though the content was completely intrusive to the article the loathing at least was reinforced throughout the work.
 
2017-09-03 04:24:39 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

More like "this guy is not very good at making a point".  The entire thing seemed to be a weird mix of off-topic rambling along with unsourceable personal anecdotes and humblebrags about various family members - like his his brother who got supersecret data from " spy operations" in California, and his grandfather talking about red cross women from ww2 being stingy with chocolate.  That's some hard hitting opinion right there.

He maaaay be right about...something.  But he seriously needs to go back on his ADD meds before trying to write about it again.


I agree.
 
2017-09-03 04:26:28 AM  
In fact, perhaps you should write for the Red Cross, because you're better at pointing out that person's flaws than they are at doing their job.

/that's not sarcasm, I'll plainly admit and agree that the organization is run and operated by idiots
//here and abroad
///penis
 
2017-09-03 04:33:49 AM  

simkatu: You're going to need to win the lottery 200 times to pay off the damages from Harvey.


JulieAzel626: Well, $400 dollars only goes so far. With that money you could probably buy a couple families some food. Maybe go crazy with the Wendy's $1 dollar menu.


I meant the $400 million (after taxes) Powerball jackpot from last week. It's not enough to help everybody, but the fortunate used to have an obligation to try to help the less fortunate. The Koch Brothers could pay for the damages from out of petty cash, but they've got that Ayn Rand thing going for them.
 
2017-09-03 04:48:21 AM  
Here's an anecdote, the Red Cross showed up at the neighbor's where we were watching our house burn, while it was still burning, and gave my mom a pretty substantial gift card to help her start to replace things and stay at a hotel. The Red Cross was an angel in disguise for us.
 
2017-09-03 04:51:23 AM  

nmrsnr: AppleOptionEsc: That's a wonderful story full of anecdote and axe grinding.

Hey, if you can't trust some random blogger on the internet who offers no facts, figures, or citations, what can you trust?


I think I'll send my money to Joel Osteen. He seems nice, and he's right there in the middle of the city so the money will definitely go directly to the people who need it most.
 
2017-09-03 04:56:33 AM  
 All I read was some whiny pussy biatching about being at his other house instead of his regular house.  That's two more places to live than I have right now.
 
2017-09-03 04:58:18 AM  

Coelacanth: simkatu: You're going to need to win the lottery 200 times to pay off the damages from Harvey.

JulieAzel626: Well, $400 dollars only goes so far. With that money you could probably buy a couple families some food. Maybe go crazy with the Wendy's $1 dollar menu.

I meant the $400 million (after taxes) Powerball jackpot from last week. It's not enough to help everybody, but the fortunate used to have an obligation to try to help the less fortunate. The Koch Brothers could pay for the damages from out of petty cash, but they've got that Ayn Rand thing going for them.


 Those people just need to dive down into ten feet of industrial cancer water to grab their bootstraps.  Once they did that they'll be better than they were before the hurricane.
 
2017-09-03 05:39:33 AM  
Mmmmm, chocolate covered bacon t-shirts.
 
2017-09-03 05:41:17 AM  

Olfin Bedwere: freakingmoron: Olfin Bedwere: born_yesterday: Olfin Bedwere: Charity Watch scores: https://www.charitywatch.org/charitywatch-hot-topic/hurricane-​harvey-relief/76

American Red Cross gets a B+, which isn't too shabby.

Charity Watch?  They're the propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists!

Well, even propaganda Gestapo for charitable extortionist money laundering militaristic venture capitalists get something right once in a while.

Only because they are all watched over by Illuminati from their Mason compound which sits atop the underground reptoid alien base.

Touche. Yet I must point out that effects of chem trails (coupled with the nefarious HAARP experiments) basically nullify any existential perspective, essentially rendering any observations at best unreliable, and at worst, completely worthless. And don't even get started about what the pricks at CERN are up to. Those guys are just assholes.


Alright, man. I've had it up to here with all this con CERN trolling. Cut it out.
 
2017-09-03 05:52:01 AM  

simkatu: Red Cross performs better than any other disaster relief charity and performs better than 90% of all charities according to experts who actually know how charities work and the complexities of trying to build homes in Haiti, which doesn't even have records on who owns what land.

Until another charity performs better than Red Cross then they are the ones getting my money.

Curt Schilling is accepting cash donations for Hurricane Relief.  Maybe you think he's a smart person to trust with the funds?


Well, your post shows as much citation as TFA, so, how 'bout some URLs, there?
 
2017-09-03 06:17:07 AM  

punkwrestler: Dark Side Of The Spoon: puffy999: Wait, so... this guy is wrong?

I believe there are "worse" characters when it comes to natural disasters, but this is NOT the first time I've heard something to the effect of "the Red Cross is worthless".

They're got really high name recognition, and they're in a lot of places, so they get a lot of criticism because they're the ones people notice. However, in a place like Haiti, part of the problem IS Haiti. It was farked up governmentally before the earthquake, and it sure as hell didn't get unfarked afterwards. So, no matter how good a charity is, if they come into a place where corruption is rampant and the government is dysfunctional there's only so much they can do.

With all their money why doesn't the Red Cross overturn the government and fix it?


I'm going to generously assume that's a joke.
 
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