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2017-09-02 10:14:22 PM  
This actually was an interesting find.
 
2017-09-02 11:33:14 PM  
It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?
 
2017-09-02 11:34:55 PM  
Subby, while your headline likely gave me cancer, that's a worthwhile read.
 
2017-09-02 11:36:00 PM  

skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?


Arise? Is this guy under the impression white nationalism is something new?

This is like blaming the sun shining on the moon.
 
2017-09-02 11:38:47 PM  
Next on Salon: How the civil rights movement is to blame for Jim Crow laws.
 
2017-09-02 11:39:29 PM  
Good lord. I guess I'll actually have to read the article. Attempting to parse that dumpster fire of a headline isn't an option.
 
2017-09-02 11:40:04 PM  

skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?


This one is on me, guys. I triple dog dared the Republicans to become NeoNazis.

My bad.
 
2017-09-02 11:43:21 PM  
So what you're saying is that if we let right wingers lynch enough black  people, they'll eventually get tired of it....?
 
2017-09-02 11:46:36 PM  
While I understand the faults and failures of unmorred identity politics, I am not sure how you can craft a pure, or mostly pure class based message when many people feel that the fundamental schism that has elevated the current right wing was the marriage of conservative, mostly Christian whites to the wealthy, mostly WASP financers, and that economic messages don't seem to penetrate thier veil of identity?

When minority liberals feel put upon, to varying severities, how do you convince them to not retreat to that primal tribal urge, and too keep trying to pry the middle off without triggering a racist/sexist/homophobic backlash?
 
2017-09-02 11:48:32 PM  
So the people who decided to take up White Nationalism and Nazism aren't responsible for their own decisions? It's instead someone else's fault?

Huh. "Why do you make me hit you?" from an abusive SO comes to mind for some reason. No clue why.
 
2017-09-02 11:51:34 PM  
Conflicts based on gender, orientation, race, religion, geographic region, and other attributes are real, and they are a problem to be managed if they can't be solved outright. They are also used extensively as bait by the people in power (and the people who own them) to keep us divided, distracted, and dumb.

It's a good idea to stop letting that happen so much. Many of our cultural conflicts will de-escalate once the people pouring poison in our ears have been exposed and exterminated (metaphorically, of course).
 
2017-09-02 11:52:16 PM  

Summercat: So the people who decided to take up White Nationalism and Nazism aren't responsible for their own decisions? It's instead someone else's fault?

Huh. "Why do you make me hit you?" from an abusive SO comes to mind for some reason. No clue why.


You didn't even browse the article did you?
 
2017-09-02 11:52:50 PM  
What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.
 
2017-09-02 11:57:29 PM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.


Your post reeks of trying too hard.  Low energy.  Sad.
 
2017-09-02 11:58:14 PM  

Lochsteppe: Conflicts based on gender, orientation, race, religion, geographic region, and other attributes are real, and they are a problem to be managed if they can't be solved outright. They are also used extensively as bait by the people in power (and the people who own them) to keep us divided, distracted, and dumb.

It's a good idea to stop letting that happen so much. Many of our cultural conflicts will de-escalate once the people pouring poison in our ears have been exposed and exterminated (metaphorically, of course).


Umm.... what?
 
2017-09-02 11:58:33 PM  

Tawdry Hepburn: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

Your post reeks of trying too hard.  Low energy.  Sad.


Your post reeks of lack of  intelligence. Low IQ.  Sad
 
2017-09-02 11:58:46 PM  

Tawdry Hepburn: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

Your post reeks of trying too hard.  Low energy.  Sad.


So few trolls can strike a balance anymore. Sad.
 
2017-09-02 11:58:57 PM  
Dear GOD Salon's formatting is terrible.
 
2017-09-02 11:59:44 PM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.


(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it
 
2017-09-02 11:59:47 PM  

Lochsteppe: Conflicts based on gender, orientation, race, religion, geographic region, and other attributes are real, and they are a problem to be managed if they can't be solved outright. They are also used extensively as bait by the people in power (and the people who own them) to keep us divided, distracted, and dumb.

It's a good idea to stop letting that happen so much. Many of our cultural conflicts will de-escalate once the people pouring poison in our ears have been exposed and exterminated (metaphorically, of course).


What you said.

Real conflicts are about control of resources. The US has preposterously ample resources, and the struggle for the last generation or two has been between those who feel entitled by accident of birth to control all of it forever, and the rest of us.
 
2017-09-03 12:01:16 AM  
So, the left is bad for employing identity politics?  So, when does the GOP face that same scrutiny for openly embracing white identity politics?  Southern Strategy?  Lily White Movement?

The original motto of this country was E Pluribus Unum.  It was changed to In God We Trust because of identity politics.

These Fark threads are always humorous for their content.  I'll mark this one to read later to see if it lives up to past performances.
 
2017-09-03 12:01:44 AM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: Tawdry Hepburn: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

Your post reeks of trying too hard.  Low energy.  Sad.

Your post reeks of lack of  intelligence. Low IQ.  Sad


Hahaha, okay doll, however you want to spend your Saturday night.  I've got drinking to do and a hot-ass dude to fark, so boy byeeeeee.
 
2017-09-03 12:02:53 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Lochsteppe: Conflicts based on gender, orientation, race, religion, geographic region, and other attributes are real, and they are a problem to be managed if they can't be solved outright. They are also used extensively as bait by the people in power (and the people who own them) to keep us divided, distracted, and dumb.

It's a good idea to stop letting that happen so much. Many of our cultural conflicts will de-escalate once the people pouring poison in our ears have been exposed and exterminated (metaphorically, of course).

What you said.

Real conflicts are about control of resources. The US has preposterously ample resources, and the struggle for the last generation or two has been between those who feel entitled by accident of birth to control all of it forever, and the rest of us.


Try the last five or six. Wealthy titans of industry and financiers have been playing this game since the end of the Civil War, at least.
 
2017-09-03 12:04:46 AM  

BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it


1) then why did y'all try?
2)  So you are a member of the "anything a person disagrees with Obama must be a racist" faction?
3)  It's not a re-re-relitigate when new facts arise from the tech guy that was in charge of the DNC is now indicted for federal crimes and the former head of the DNC is defending him.
 
2017-09-03 12:05:28 AM  

Brosephus: So, the left is bad for employing identity politics?


Arguably, yes.

So, when does the GOP face that same scrutiny for openly embracing white identity politics?  Southern Strategy?  Lily White Movement?
Every goddam day, are you new here?

The original motto of this country was E Pluribus Unum.  It was changed to In God We Trust because of identity politics.

That is absolutely and undeniably true, which may support the author's point.
 
2017-09-03 12:05:56 AM  

Tawdry Hepburn: Can'tAlwaysGet: Tawdry Hepburn: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

Your post reeks of trying too hard.  Low energy.  Sad.

Your post reeks of lack of  intelligence. Low IQ.  Sad

Hahaha, okay doll, however you want to spend your Saturday night.  I've got drinking to do and a hot-ass dude to fark, so boy byeeeeee.


I only have a mediocre ass-dude.
 
2017-09-03 12:09:57 AM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it

1) then why did y'all try?
2)  So you are a member of the "anything a person disagrees with Obama must be a racist" faction?
3)  It's not a re-re-relitigate when new facts arise from the tech guy that was in charge of the DNC is now indicted for federal crimes and the former head of the DNC is defending him.


1) because the story was already out there, had been since the middle of last year

2) when you straight up say that man, who was born in Hawaii, was really born in Kenya (or Indonesia?), you have forfeited any claim to be making a general policy argument against him

3) if they still can't find anything to pin on her after all this time, and with sympathetic prosecutors, either they are on the take, or there is actually nothing there
 
2017-09-03 12:11:55 AM  

BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it

1) then why did y'all try?
2)  So you are a member of the "anything a person disagrees with Obama must be a racist" faction?
3)  It's not a re-re-relitigate when new facts arise from the tech guy that was in charge of the DNC is now indicted for federal crimes and the former head of the DNC is defending him.

1) because the story was already out there, had been since the middle of last year

2) when you straight up say that man, who was born in Hawaii, was really born in Kenya (or Indonesia?), you have forfeited any claim to be making a general policy argument against him

3) if they still can't find anything to pin on her after all thi ...


1) So you are a Trumpster
2) So you are a racist?
3)so You are a Trumpster
 
2017-09-03 12:15:59 AM  

Can'tAlwaysGet: BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it

1) then why did y'all try?
2)  So you are a member of the "anything a person disagrees with Obama must be a racist" faction?
3)  It's not a re-re-relitigate when new facts arise from the tech guy that was in charge of the DNC is now indicted for federal crimes and the former head of the DNC is defending him.

1) because the story was already out there, had been since the middle of last year

2) when you straight up say that man, who was born in Hawaii, was really born in Kenya (or Indonesia?), you have forfeited any claim to be making a general policy argument against him

3) if they still can't find anything to pin on her after all thi ...

1) So you are a Trumpster
2) So you are a racist?
3)so You are a Trumpster


What kind of ass-backward argument are you making?
 
2017-09-03 12:17:10 AM  

BlueDWarrior: Can'tAlwaysGet: What identity politics (ie the Dems) have screwed up:

1.  Accuse Trump of colluding with the Russians.  The Dems did it way too early, and forgot that the Russians fund their party.  So now, there is no evidence, and the Dems look like fools (except for Dianne Fienstein, who knew this all along and now the Dems want to throw her overboard).

2.  Accuse Trump of being a racist because he called the racist KKK and Nazis the same as the racist Antifa and Black Lives Matter.  Now even Nanci Polosi is admitting that the Alt left is violent.

3.  The Dems forgot that the FBI still has Hillary's Emails, as well as Debbie's tech guy (and total access to the DNC as a result).

The Dems have over played their hand.  As politics go, they are screwed...as well as CNN and MSNBC.  Even without the news, the Dems don't have a chance because the Republicans redrew the congressional lines in the last census.  So all you liberals can scream, whine, and complain.  But the hole has been dug, and you are only making it deeper.

(1) that story was going to blow up either way, even if Democrats never brought it up

(2) Anyone who plays with the birthers in 2012 is either outright racist or is sympathetic enough to not be all that different in effect

(3) if they want re-re-relitigate E-Mailgate, then bring it


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2017-09-03 12:17:51 AM  
It's like "The Americans" in here, but with super-aggressive lobotomies and an early adequate auto-translator.
 
2017-09-03 12:26:53 AM  
Oh my farking Christ. Anybody who thinks "White Identity" is something new in US politics that arose in response to the Civil Rights movement needs to lay off the frelling crack. Like, I'm not even going to try and read an argument that's that wrong within the first frigging sentence.

Seriously? SERIOUSLY?? What the fark do you chuckleheads think the Civil War was about? What idea do you think was invented to justify the slave trade? ?What do you think the Free Labor movement and Know Nothings were about??? Why the Hell do you think Ben Franklin would occasionally go on about "Swarthy Germans"????

Anglo Identity and White Identity have been at the heart of the US since before it was the US. It, along with Christianity, was the foundational justification for the taking of this land from the people who naturally lived in it.
 
2017-09-03 12:28:51 AM  
Threadjack here, nice to meet you. It appears North Korea has tested another nuclear weapon.
 
2017-09-03 12:28:53 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?

This one is on me, guys. I triple dog dared the Republicans to become NeoNazis.

My bad.


You know, I always defended hoosiers when people would joke about 'em, and then you, a total stranger on the internet, do this. Such Betray u_u
 
2017-09-03 12:29:04 AM  

cheezesub: Summercat: So the people who decided to take up White Nationalism and Nazism aren't responsible for their own decisions? It's instead someone else's fault?

Huh. "Why do you make me hit you?" from an abusive SO comes to mind for some reason. No clue why.

You didn't even browse the article did you?


This is Fark. Of course I didn't.
 
2017-09-03 12:34:56 AM  

cheezesub: Lochsteppe: Conflicts based on gender, orientation, race, religion, geographic region, and other attributes are real, and they are a problem to be managed if they can't be solved outright. They are also used extensively as bait by the people in power (and the people who own them) to keep us divided, distracted, and dumb.

It's a good idea to stop letting that happen so much. Many of our cultural conflicts will de-escalate once the people pouring poison in our ears have been exposed and exterminated (metaphorically, of course).

Umm.... what?


Humans fight over all sorts of tribal shiat, and we always have. Maybe we always will. It's not great, but it's being stirred up even worse by people in power to distract us from what they do to strip away our wealth, our labor power, and our rights. We need to stop falling for it.

Get it now?
 
2017-09-03 12:38:22 AM  
If we are going to pretend "identity politics" is a real thing then we have to recognize the party that has used identity politics longer and harder than any other is the GOP since at least the southern strategy.
 
2017-09-03 12:38:24 AM  
This guy is a moron.  The current era of identity politics was brought about because since before America was founded only a certain kind of person could hold power. A white, male WASP.  What we have had for the past 25 years or so is a backlash against the originators of identity politics, the WASPS.
 
2017-09-03 12:38:34 AM  
Gee, I actually have something I'd like to say here but someone went and took any semblance of what might be reasonable discourse and used it as toilet paper in order to quash it.

So, all I'll say is this:

We're all in this together. Black, White, Hispanic, Native American, Asian, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Taoist, Jewish, Atheist, Male, Female and any mixture thereof. (Any group that's missing here, that was not my intention, you're part of this, too.)

We're gonna have to figure out how to live in peace with one another or we're going to end up destroying ourselves.
 
2017-09-03 12:40:44 AM  

Thrag: If we are going to pretend "identity politics" is a real thing


'mkay

then we have to recognize the party that has used identity politics longer and harder than any other is the GOP since at least the southern strategy.

So are we still pretending?
 
2017-09-03 12:41:34 AM  

Thrag: skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?

Arise? Is this guy under the impression white nationalism is something new?

This is like blaming the sun shining on the moon.


White nationalism subsided for a while.  It did not disappear but it was politically almost powerless.  Now it is arising and becoming powerful again; noticed who's President?
 
2017-09-03 12:44:59 AM  

Thrag: If we are going to pretend "identity politics" is a real thing then we have to recognize the party that has used identity politics longer and harder than any other is the GOP since at least the southern strategy.


As opposed to the party that:

Used Communism to equate minority problems to class warfare?
Finds every disenfranchised group and accuses the Reps of the party against it?
The party that doesn't recognize that each group they claim to support actually hates each other (ie African Americans are more anti-gay than Whites, Hispanics are anti-black, Atheists are anti any religion...)

I know that's controversial, but those are the groups in the Dem party that hate the groups in the dem party.
 
2017-09-03 12:45:55 AM  
Anytime you tar a group with the broad brush, you invoke people's sense of being oppressed.

And psychologically, people seem to have an affinity for feeling that they are being oppressed. It's part of our innate desire to struggle to survive, to fight back.

It need not be a legitimate threat, just a perception. Don't doubt the truth of this, you see evidence of it in many religions that have cultivated these defensive postures against outside oppression as a unifying force. And fascinatingly, often when real oppression fades away religious fervor fades into apathy (most of Europe today). (aside, the US is a strange case as we don't have the historical backdrop of actual wars with Protestants vs Catholics so the internal rhetoric has been based on more fictitious oppressors).

So the author is correct that rhetoric that over-generalizes to make group X the enemy plays into an historically reliable means of uniting some individuals of group X against the perceived oppression. If group X is  White People or White Men, you've crafted an environment favorable to White Supremacists. You can laugh at the absurdity of it but it's foolish to deny the reality of the phenomenon.  And it's doubly foolish to to continue to act  in ways that aid their ability to recruit. Stop over-generalizing. Don't blame White Men for the actions of White Supremacists, blame actual White Supremacists. Just like we shouldn't blame all Muslims for the actions of terrorist nutcases.  Better still, condemn behaviors over condemning people.
 
2017-09-03 12:48:58 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Thrag: skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?

Arise? Is this guy under the impression white nationalism is something new?

This is like blaming the sun shining on the moon.

White nationalism subsided for a while.  It did not disappear but it was politically almost powerless.  Now it is arising and becoming powerful again; noticed who's President?


Your personal ignorance of something's existence doesn't mean it disappeared.

Yes, since Trump was elected they are more public but that doesn't mean they didn't exist before. These people did not become white supremacists just for the election. They started that way. They were already organizing on the internet long before Trump became a candidate.

But please, tell us how people becoming white supremacists is the left's fault.
 
2017-09-03 12:51:31 AM  
There aint nothing wrong with identity politics if the identity is the right kind

Instead of focusing on race, why cant we focus on us being American?

This idea that the color of our skin should define us is simply idiotic and completely toxic.

We are defining ourselves over something that we cannot control
 
2017-09-03 12:53:23 AM  

Thrag: BarkingUnicorn: Thrag: skyotter:

But please, tell us how people becoming white supremacists is the left's fault.


Please tell us how that remotely resembles any argument made here or in TFA.
 
2017-09-03 12:54:56 AM  

Thrag: BarkingUnicorn: Thrag: skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?

Arise? Is this guy under the impression white nationalism is something new?

This is like blaming the sun shining on the moon.

White nationalism subsided for a while.  It did not disappear but it was politically almost powerless.  Now it is arising and becoming powerful again; noticed who's President?

Your personal ignorance of something's existence doesn't mean it disappeared.

Yes, since Trump was elected they are more public but that doesn't mean they didn't exist before. These people did not become white supremacists just for the election. They started that way. They were already organizing on the internet long before Trump became a candidate.

But please, tell us how people becoming white supremacists is the left's fault.


RTFA
 
2017-09-03 01:00:08 AM  

skyotter: It had seemed to me inevitable, from the beginning, that white nationalism would arise as a necessary outgrowth if liberals kept up with their identity politics obsession, and that is precisely where we find ourselves.

Liberals made conservatives embrace white nationalism.  Who knew?


Your translation is quite flawed. You substitute the idea that "conservatives embrace" from "white nationalism would arise". They aren't the same. The point is that if you decide that the People of Iowa are the enemy, you'll find various Iowans will get wind of people declaring Iowans to be their enemy. And some fractions of those will get rather annoyed at the generalization and say what the heck did I every do to them? And as is the nature of people, some of those Iowans will actually get together and prepare their response to those damned Minnesotans and their lake culture. And if this isn't nipped in the bud football rivalries will break out.
 
2017-09-03 01:00:14 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Thrag: BarkingUnicorn: Thrag: skyotter:

But please, tell us how people becoming white supremacists is the left's fault.

Please tell us how that remotely resembles any argument made here or in TFA.


If I mistook your intention in replying to my post I apologize.

What was your point then? Did you just misunderstand my post? If you agree that white nationalism did not "arise"  from identity politics what was your objection to my pointing out it existed prior to "Identity politics"?
 
2017-09-03 01:04:31 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Coon'tAlwaysGet: "controversial"

That's an odd way to spell "transparently stupid and gratuitously obnoxious".


That's an odd way to spell "can't"
 
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