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2017-09-01 05:29:41 PM  
Wow, Brock. Just... wow. :-(
 
2017-09-01 05:32:32 PM  
The Browns owe Osweiler $16 million

Well he has all that money to wipe away his tears.
 
2017-09-01 05:35:21 PM  
The original plan was to trade for him, eat part of the cap hit and try and trade him on to someone else. It was a very baseball move to sacrifice some salary cap for future draft picks.

Shocked it took them this long to cut him.
 
2017-09-01 06:08:17 PM  
Brock got pissy with the Denver Broncos when Payton Manning was sufficiently healthy to start again and the Broncos set Brock back on the bench.  He was instrumental in the Broncos stretch run that culminated in a Super Bowl win but he was forced to watch that game from the sidelines.

/such drama, very tragedy
 
2017-09-01 08:07:39 PM  

Gubbo: The original plan was to trade for him, eat part of the cap hit and try and trade him on to someone else. It was a very baseball move to sacrifice some salary cap for future draft picks.

Shocked it took them this long to cut him.


Upside is, he's off the books after this year so it's not the worst situation.  They weren't doing anything with that space anyway.
 
2017-09-01 08:51:20 PM  

abhorrent1: The Browns owe Osweiler $16 million

Well he has all that money to wipe away his tears.


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-01 11:34:41 PM  
I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.
 
2017-09-02 12:01:22 AM  
I knew this would happen. He could've stayed in Denver and been a starter and probably do just what he and Peyton did in the SB50 title run: score just enough for that defense to protect. But he had to cash in with someone else and every QB who's done that after one good run has ended up being a disaster. I used to call it the "Matt Cassel Rule" but Brock has taken over the title now.
 
2017-09-02 12:05:44 AM  
Got paid $16M to not have to play for the Browns and we're saying bad things about it? Thats the perfect achievement!
 
2017-09-02 12:11:41 AM  
I would not play for the Browns for half that money. How do I apply?
 
2017-09-02 12:16:56 AM  
Not a bad gig if you can get it. But still, what a fall he's taken.....but at least he has a pile of money to break the fall.
 
2017-09-02 12:18:09 AM  

desertgeek: I knew this would happen. He could've stayed in Denver and been a starter and probably do just what he and Peyton did in the SB50 title run: score just enough for that defense to protect. But he had to cash in with someone else and every QB who's done that after one good run has ended up being a disaster. I used to call it the "Matt Cassel Rule" but Brock has taken over the title now.


Guess it depends on what he could've gotten in Denver. If he is truly this bad, he might not have been able to touch that money long-term had he given Denver a discount and stunk up the joint.
 
2017-09-02 12:18:50 AM  

IAmRight: paid $16M to not have to play for the Browns


I'm already halfway there!
 
2017-09-02 12:29:58 AM  

Ocean_Pimp: IAmRight: paid $16M to not have to play for the Browns

I'm already halfway there!


Me too! I just gotta figure out how to make $16M for not doing it. :-(
 
2017-09-02 12:47:16 AM  

TheManofPA: Guess it depends on what he could've gotten in Denver. If he is truly this bad, he might not have been able to touch that money long-term had he given Denver a discount and stunk up the joint.


He was doing fine in Denver.  He won a number of games while Manning was out injured.  But then he got all prima donna when Manning regained his starting position.  Denver made him a good offer for the next season, his hurt feelings demanded he relocate.

As to why Brock has been nothing but the suck since, well ...
 
2017-09-02 12:51:42 AM  
So his agent gets $2 huge, and Brock gets $13.9 huge before taxes.  Invest in low danger bonds & stocks and live the good life as a civilian.
 
2017-09-02 12:52:05 AM  

Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.


Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.
 
2017-09-02 12:56:00 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.


Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.
 
2017-09-02 01:22:47 AM  

Sgygus: TheManofPA: Guess it depends on what he could've gotten in Denver. If he is truly this bad, he might not have been able to touch that money long-term had he given Denver a discount and stunk up the joint.

He was doing fine in Denver.  He won a number of games while Manning was out injured.  But then he got all prima donna when Manning regained his starting position.  Denver made him a good offer for the next season, his hurt feelings demanded he relocate.

As to why Brock has been nothing but the suck since, well ...


Pretty much any QB in the league would have looked decent on that team. I can't blame the guy for going for the money, but if he wanted to make a name he needed to stick with the Broncos, now he is a modern Trent Dilfer without the ring.
 
2017-09-02 01:36:08 AM  

dywed88: now he is a modern Trent Dilfer without the ring


..but he does have the ring.. he just didn't play in the game that got it

/Panthers fan
//will forever speak the name Von Miller with an acid tongue
 
2017-09-02 01:39:27 AM  

Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.


Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.
 
2017-09-02 01:40:59 AM  

The Bestest: dywed88: now he is a modern Trent Dilfer without the ring

..but he does have the ring.. he just didn't play in the game that got it

/Panthers fan
//will forever speak the name Von Miller with an acid tongue


True. I suppose he is a modern Trent Dilfer who can't say he won a Super Bowl.
 
2017-09-02 01:44:39 AM  

dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.


Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.
 
2017-09-02 01:51:05 AM  

Chemlight Battery: dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.

Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.


The money was going to be used to pay Tony Romo.
 
2017-09-02 01:51:41 AM  

abhorrent1: The Browns owe Osweiler $16 million

Well he has all that money to wipe away his tears.


They could cut me on Day One for 5%
 
2017-09-02 01:52:31 AM  

TheManofPA: desertgeek: I knew this would happen. He could've stayed in Denver and been a starter and probably do just what he and Peyton did in the SB50 title run: score just enough for that defense to protect. But he had to cash in with someone else and every QB who's done that after one good run has ended up being a disaster. I used to call it the "Matt Cassel Rule" but Brock has taken over the title now.

Guess it depends on what he could've gotten in Denver. If he is truly this bad, he might not have been able to touch that money long-term had he given Denver a discount and stunk up the joint.


Some quick work on Google brought up a Denver Post article saying Denver offered him $13 million per year for 3 years, so Houston did give him significantly more.
 
2017-09-02 01:57:47 AM  

NetOwl: Chemlight Battery: dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.

Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.

The money was going to be used to pay Tony Romo.


That was the theory, but I'm not convinced. O'brien was brought in because he was supposed to be some kind of QB whisperer, and the expectation all along was that he would draft someone and develop them. Every year he's been in Houston, he's just accepted other people's garbage. After Osweiler, I got the sense that they would have to draft someone this year to save his job and that taking on some other team's hand-me-down wouldn't fly. Now that he's drafted someone, his job is safe for a few more years while he's "developing" him. Had he drafted Romo and turned in another 9-7 season, O'Brien would be out for sure.
 
2017-09-02 02:06:17 AM  

Chemlight Battery: NetOwl: Chemlight Battery: dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.

Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.

The money was going to be used to pay Tony Romo.

That was the theory, but I'm not convinced. O'brien was brought in because he was supposed to be some kind of QB whisperer, and the expectation all along was that he would draft someone and develop them. Every year he's been in Houston, he's just accepted other people's garbage. After Osweiler, I got the sense that they would have to draft someone this year to save his job and that taking on some other team's hand-me-down wouldn't fly. Now that he's drafted someone, his job is safe for a few more years while he's "developing" him. Had he drafted Romo and turned in another 9-7 season, O'Brien would be out for sure.


Adding Romo and drafting a QB are not mutually exclusive.

Adding Romo instantly gives you a shot at the playoffs now and you get the new guy some time to get used to the NFL before he replaces Romo after an injury or a couple seasons.
 
2017-09-02 02:06:24 AM  

Chemlight Battery: NetOwl: Chemlight Battery: dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.

Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.

The money was going to be used to pay Tony Romo.

That was the theory, but I'm not convinced. O'brien was brought in because he was supposed to be some kind of QB whisperer, and the expectation all along was that he would draft someone and develop them. Every year he's been in Houston, he's just accepted other people's garbage. After Osweiler, I got the sense that they would have to draft someone this year to save his job and that taking on some other team's hand-me-down wouldn't fly. Now that he's drafted someone, his job is safe for a few more years while he's "developing" him. Had he drafted Romo and turned in another 9-7 season, O'Brien would be out for sure.


Signed. FTFM. It's late.
 
2017-09-02 02:11:21 AM  

dywed88: Chemlight Battery: NetOwl: Chemlight Battery: dywed88: Chemlight Battery: Incorrigible Astronaut: Chemlight Battery: I was convinced from the very beginning that the Texans trade to Cleveland had less to do with cap space than about saying "fark you" to Osweiler. Being cut by the Texans is bad. Being traded to and then cut by the Browns... that's something different entirely.

Nah, it was all about that second round draft pick. They needed the $16m just to hit the salary floor anyway- taking him on was just the price of doing business.

Oh yeah, for sure. From Cleveland's perspective. But Houston didn't need that money, and that's basically all they got out of it. They've still got money to burn.

Just because the didn't make use of space, doesn't mean they weren't wanting the option to do so or even planning to use it. May just not have found any deals.

Maybe. But they gave Cleveland a second round pick in 2018 to take him. If they aren't going to use that money, they would have been better off just cutting him.

The money was going to be used to pay Tony Romo.

That was the theory, but I'm not convinced. O'brien was brought in because he was supposed to be some kind of QB whisperer, and the expectation all along was that he would draft someone and develop them. Every year he's been in Houston, he's just accepted other people's garbage. After Osweiler, I got the sense that they would have to draft someone this year to save his job and that taking on some other team's hand-me-down wouldn't fly. Now that he's drafted someone, his job is safe for a few more years while he's "developing" him. Had he drafted Romo and turned in another 9-7 season, O'Brien would be out for sure.

Adding Romo and drafting a QB are not mutually exclusive.

Adding Romo instantly gives you a shot at the playoffs now and you get the new guy some time to get used to the NFL before he replaces Romo after an injury or a couple seasons.


I don't know. I think taking a guy like Romo and using a 1st round pick for a QB are mutually exclusive, and there weren't any QBs in this draft that would have made it to late second round that would have been worth the pick. Houston's OL is shiat, which means they would have needed to invest in that to keep him upright, and this wasn't exactly a great draft for OL either. And after paying Romo, there wouldn't be enough money to beef it up from free agency or trades.
 
2017-09-02 03:17:07 AM  
I'm really glad that he didn't sign with the Broncos.  I'd rather have whoever we have right now than him.  He showed what he was made of when we played the Texans after he left and kicked his ass all night long.
 
2017-09-02 04:13:38 AM  

orangehat: I'm really glad that he didn't sign with the Broncos.  I'd rather have whoever we have right now than him.  He showed what he was made of when we played the Texans after he left and kicked his ass all night long.


Denver dodged a bullet by not investing too much time/money in Jay Cutler as well.  And Denver kicked his ass (I guess a lot of teams did) when he moved to Chicago.

If Brock left Denver solely for the money (certainly not the glory), he did okay for himself that way.  I wonder if he has regrets?  He's reasonably talented and built the way teams like quarterbacks these days: physically large.  My thoughts about how and why Osweiler left Denver point to emotional issues, perhaps that is just how it looks from my outsider's prospective.
 
2017-09-02 09:19:32 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: I would not play for the Browns for half that money. How do I apply?


I don't play for the Browns all the time.
 
2017-09-02 09:30:03 AM  

desertgeek: Some quick work on Google brought up a Denver Post article saying Denver offered him $13 million per year for 3 years,


Wow! I can't believe the Broncos offered him Tom Brady money!
 
2017-09-02 09:59:00 AM  
What's getting lost in all of this is how much the Texans screwed the pooch.  Think Cleveland is crazy for cutting Brock and eating $16M?  Not at all, they just used that money to buy a 2nd round Draft Pick.

Houston, on the other hand, signed Brock to that God awful contract, realized he sucked, and then realized they made a horrible mistake and had to find a way to get him shipped out of town quick.  Then what do they do next?  They panic-draft a very over-rated Deshaun Watson, who is starting to show he's quite the project at QB, and give up a 1st and 2nd round pick to do it.  So they lose a 2nd trading brock, and burn another 1st and 2nd to get Watson who clearly isn't ready to play this year, and honestly, he's a guy who I thought had a rather high bust potential in general.

Houston has such a good team, but their mishandling of the QB position the last few years is becoming epically bad, and now it's going to hurt them next year because they don't have any high picks to add more talent to a playoff team.  Just brutal.
 
2017-09-02 10:24:44 AM  
Osweiler and Tebow are going to use this opportunity to do some training at Ryan Leaf's QB Training Camp.
 
2017-09-02 12:11:24 PM  

Sgygus: TheManofPA: Guess it depends on what he could've gotten in Denver. If he is truly this bad, he might not have been able to touch that money long-term had he given Denver a discount and stunk up the joint.

He was doing fine in Denver.  He won a number of games while Manning was out injured.  But then he got all prima donna when Manning regained his starting position.  Denver made him a good offer for the next season, his hurt feelings demanded he relocate.

As to why Brock has been nothing but the suck since, well ...


The Denver offer was around $13 million a year and had team outs in the contract every year for the three-year contract. Brock took a longer contract with more guaranteed money. Assuming he stunk it up in Denver he would have about $13 million getting cut after one year but now he has made $37 million thanks to Houston. He cashed out and I don't blame the decision.
 
2017-09-02 03:22:32 PM  

The Bestest: dywed88: now he is a modern Trent Dilfer without the ring

..but he does have the ring.. he just didn't play in the game that got it

/Panthers fan
//will forever speak the name Von Miller with an acid tongue


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-02 03:38:25 PM  
What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?
 
2017-09-02 06:21:56 PM  

MVEAlpha: What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?


Off the board. Multiple reports say Brock is going to be the backup in Denver while Paxton Lynch heals.
 
2017-09-02 06:25:57 PM  

desertgeek: MVEAlpha: What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?

Off the board. Multiple reports say Brock is going to be the backup in Denver while Paxton Lynch heals.


Pure ego on Elway's part.
 
2017-09-02 06:33:42 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: desertgeek: MVEAlpha: What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?

Off the board. Multiple reports say Brock is going to be the backup in Denver while Paxton Lynch heals.

Pure ego on Elway's part.


I doubt Brock will get as nice a deal as $13 million this time around.
 
2017-09-02 06:42:43 PM  

FriarED1: Ow! That was my feelings!: desertgeek: MVEAlpha: What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?

Off the board. Multiple reports say Brock is going to be the backup in Denver while Paxton Lynch heals.

Pure ego on Elway's part.

I doubt Brock will get as nice a deal as $13 million this time around.


He is the ultimate in hot garbage.

If it happens, it's Elway's ego. Maybe He can 'fix' his almost mistake.

Brock was Elway's first QB draft pick.

You never forget your first, no matter how awful they turn out to be.
 
2017-09-03 04:34:42 AM  

Sgygus: As to why Brock has been nothing but the suck since, well ...


This just in: backup quarterbacks on dominant teams tend to do well.
 
2017-09-03 10:10:43 AM  

FriarED1: Ow! That was my feelings!: desertgeek: MVEAlpha: What's the line on Osweiller getting signed before Kaepernick?

Off the board. Multiple reports say Brock is going to be the backup in Denver while Paxton Lynch heals.

Pure ego on Elway's part.

I doubt Brock will get as nice a deal as $13 million this time around.


Veteran's minimum...
 
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