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(The New York Times)   Mueller has a copy of Trump's earlier, more obstructioney Comey firing letter   ( nytimes.com) divider line
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2017-09-01 01:20:32 PM  
So, how long until the American public gets to see it?
 
2017-09-01 01:23:12 PM  
While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.
 
2017-09-01 01:28:01 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


Problem: Trump doesn't have a "good" defense attorney.
 
2017-09-01 01:30:29 PM  
Here's the actual letter:
img.fark.net
 
2017-09-01 01:33:21 PM  

naughtyrev: Here's the actual letter:
[img.fark.net image 850x509]


Look, we all know Trump didn't write that.

 It's obvious since 'Doodyhead' is spelled correctly.
 
2017-09-01 01:48:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: naughtyrev: Here's the actual letter:
[img.fark.net image 850x509]

Look, we all know Trump didn't write that.

 It's obvious since 'Doodyhead' is spelled correctly.


Plus it's not self promoting at all.
 
2017-09-01 02:06:05 PM  
How much should I care about this?  And will it be another nail in this administration's coffin?
 
2017-09-01 02:15:21 PM  

abb3w: So, how long until the American public gets to see it?


Mueller's office won't leak it.  No worries.  However, Trump's office had it first so....any second now.
 
2017-09-01 02:15:31 PM  
Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.
 
2017-09-01 02:16:35 PM  

nekom: scottydoesntknow: naughtyrev: Here's the actual letter:
[img.fark.net image 850x509]

Look, we all know Trump didn't write that.

 It's obvious since 'Doodyhead' is spelled correctly.

Plus it's not self promoting at all.


And the letters aren't in gold Sharpie.
 
2017-09-01 02:19:35 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.
 
2017-09-01 02:22:16 PM  

mrshowrules: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.


blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.


I see it was Mr. McGaghn.  So was it Mr. McGaghn's idea to ask the Justice Department's for a recommendation of dismissal from Rod Rosenstein instead?
 
2017-09-01 02:23:37 PM  

blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.


Stephen Miller may be resigning soon, to spend more time with his trash.
 
2017-09-01 02:25:14 PM  
Until I am assured the note has been perused by an "extremely credible source" from the Administration's "Top Men" I request to see a copy of said note in its entirety so I may get a layman's sense of its authenticity.  What I am looking for specifically is which Trump Int. Golf Resort does the source material originate from.  What writing instrument was used to execute this action, if at all.  Is the message legible and more precisely, is it in the form of 140 characters or less?  These are matters of importance.  I will also accept the presence of more than one exclamation point, especially if caps a sentence that is not a declarative statement. The use of uppercase letters although this may be not as visible to the naked eye.  And finally, was the name Trump used in the third person.  Until these matters are addressed I will not believe this document exists, pending review of Mr. Trump's college transcripts, military school records and a pdf file of the first valentine the President had ever given to a girl
 
2017-09-01 02:34:08 PM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.

blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.

I see it was Mr. McGaghn.  So was it Mr. McGaghn's idea to ask the Justice Department's for a recommendation of dismissal from Rod Rosenstein instead?


i was keying i on the fact that Stephen Miller wrote it.  

Remember that kid in high-school who was a hipster libertarian?  He was always reading "alternative history" stuff and using phrases like "it really makes you think," and "don't be a sheep (or drink the kool-aid?"   That kid that was dumb as shiat, but acted like he was Mensa.. 

Yeah, one of those kids grew up to be Stephen Miller.  He he helped Trump write the first draft of the termination letter.
 
2017-09-01 02:38:11 PM  

blastoh: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.

blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.

I see it was Mr. McGaghn.  So was it Mr. McGaghn's idea to ask the Justice Department's for a recommendation of dismissal from Rod Rosenstein instead?

i was keying i on the fact that Stephen Miller wrote it.  

Remember that kid in high-school who was a hipster libertarian?  He was always reading "alternative history" stuff and using phrases like "it really makes you think," and "don't be a sheep (or drink the kool-aid?"   That kid that was dumb as shiat, but acted like he was Mensa.. 

Yeah, one of those kids grew up to be Stephen Miller.  He he helped Trump write the first draft of the termination letter.


I think I know that kid.  He carved "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" on his desk.
 
2017-09-01 02:54:44 PM  

mrshowrules: blastoh: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.

blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.

I see it was Mr. McGaghn.  So was it Mr. McGaghn's idea to ask the Justice Department's for a recommendation of dismissal from Rod Rosenstein instead?

i was keying i on the fact that Stephen Miller wrote it.  

Remember that kid in high-school who was a hipster libertarian?  He was always reading "alternative history" stuff and using phrases like "it really makes you think," and "don't be a sheep (or drink the kool-aid?"   That kid that was dumb as shiat, but acted like he was Mensa.. 

Yeah, one of those kids grew up to be Stephen Miller.  He he helped Trump write the first draft of the termination letter.

I think I know that kid.  He carved "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything" on his desk.


That's him.
 
2017-09-01 02:57:47 PM  
What Stephen Miller might look like writing said letter:
media0.giphy.com
 
2017-09-01 02:59:05 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


All that matters is that this information is in the news, and Trump will hear about it.

Drip.  Drip.  Drip.
 
2017-09-01 03:13:43 PM  
WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.
 
2017-09-01 03:21:51 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


Uh, I'm not sure that's the case. At all.
 
2017-09-01 03:23:26 PM  
Burn that asshole to the ground already.
 
2017-09-01 03:25:30 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


Do the same standards apply for impeachment hearing as for a criminal trial?
 
2017-09-01 03:25:39 PM  

poonesfarm: WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.


That peek into Trump's mind is going to burn him for a very long time. 

Who the hell did the trade study on "Trump running for President"? 

Lose, I get investigated quietly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Win, I get investigated loudly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Did no one ever say, "You may want to consider the consequences."

This was about THE DUMBEST thing Trump could have ever done.
 
2017-09-01 03:25:52 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


I object.  It goes to intent, Your Honor.

IANAL
 
2017-09-01 03:27:09 PM  
Man, it seems like the Comey firing was a few years ago.
 
2017-09-01 03:27:17 PM  

raerae1980: How much should I care about this?  And will it be another nail in this administration's coffin?


Definitely a nail or two. Since Donald has made multiple statements about Comey's firing, and the motives behind it, having the original will show his true intentions and motives.

It's like the classic "never ask a suspect a question you don't already know the answer to".
 
2017-09-01 03:27:23 PM  
Any chance the letter explains Comey was fired because he wouldn't order FBI agents to stay at Trump properties when traveling?
 
2017-09-01 03:28:50 PM  
This makes a lot of sense to me. It was always weird that the justification was over the Buttery Males and then Trump openly contradicts that statement to Lester Holt the very next day (same day?)

But if the original draft that he saw and approved wasn't about Buttery Males then he wouldn't have even known there was an update unless he saw it.
 
2017-09-01 03:28:56 PM  

the_innkeeper: poonesfarm: WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.

That peek into Trump's mind is going to burn him for a very long time. 

Who the hell did the trade study on "Trump running for President"? 

Lose, I get investigated quietly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Win, I get investigated loudly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Did no one ever say, "You may want to consider the consequences."

This was about THE DUMBEST thing Trump could have ever done.


If he lost, he would not have been investigated unless the Russia interference investigation led directly to him. He would've been a loudmouth on the sidelines criticizing Hillary, and any attempt at Hillary to have Trump investigated would be a complete shiat show.

Winning was the worst thing that could've happened to Trump and his ilk.
 
2017-09-01 03:29:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: All that matters is that this information is in the news, and Trump will hear about it.

Drip. Drip. Drip.


Yeah, plus the fact that this draft still even exists. Somebody hung on to it, and then leaked it to Mueller of all people..
 
2017-09-01 03:29:29 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


Well... as long as everyone is having fun. That's the important thing.

/no it isn't
//c'mon Mueller!
///you can do this!
 
2017-09-01 03:30:20 PM  

Sin'sHero: Any chance the letter explains Comey was fired because he wouldn't order FBI agents to stay at Trump properties when traveling?


Seeing as how it was written with Steven Miller, it's 50/50 between that, and blaming Jews and Browns.
 
2017-09-01 03:30:57 PM  
Fake news.
Trump is illiterate.
Take that, Libs!
 
2017-09-01 03:33:10 PM  

scottydoesntknow: the_innkeeper: poonesfarm: WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.

That peek into Trump's mind is going to burn him for a very long time. 

Who the hell did the trade study on "Trump running for President"? 

Lose, I get investigated quietly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Win, I get investigated loudly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Did no one ever say, "You may want to consider the consequences."

This was about THE DUMBEST thing Trump could have ever done.

If he lost, he would not have been investigated unless the Russia interference investigation led directly to him. He would've been a loudmouth on the sidelines criticizing Hillary, and any attempt at Hillary to have Trump investigated would be a complete shiat show.

Winning was the worst thing that could've happened to Trump and his ilk.


It already did. Page was already FISA tapped, and Manafort's phone was bugged/hot mic'd in the Trump tower meeting. As soon as Trump said "go", there was Russian involvement.
 
2017-09-01 03:33:48 PM  

Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.


If I had a note around my house saying, "how to rob a bank" and then a bank was robbed and I was a suspect, you could bet that letter would be evidence assuming it was obtained legally by the investigators.
 
2017-09-01 03:35:12 PM  
As an aside, there's a plume of smoke coming from the Russian consulate here in SF, and it was just announced that TOMORROW the feds were supposed to raid the joint.  Of course, it's 96 degrees here in the city today, so I'm sure there's a logical reason why they were using the fireplace.  Someone on Twitter suggested there were selecting a new Pope.
 
2017-09-01 03:35:51 PM  

raerae1980: How much should I care about this?  And will it be another nail in this administration's coffin?


There are so many nails in this coffin, the coffin doesn't exist anymore, just a big pile of bent rusty nails.
 
2017-09-01 03:37:23 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

Uh, I'm not sure that's the case. At all.


Really. The opposite seems to me to be true. [ "Should I not have done that? Is that wrong?" ]
 
2017-09-01 03:37:54 PM  

naughtyrev: Here's the actual letter:
[img.fark.net image 850x509]


Confirmed

img.fark.net
 
2017-09-01 03:40:01 PM  

daphne: Until these matters are addressed I will not believe this document exists, pending review of Mr. Trump's college transcripts, military school records and a pdf file of the first valentine the President had ever given to a girl


img.fark.net
 
2017-09-01 03:42:51 PM  

iron de havilland: blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.

Stephen Miller may be resigning soon, to spend more time with his trash.


But enough about his family...
 
2017-09-01 03:43:00 PM  

the_innkeeper: poonesfarm: WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.

That peek into Trump's mind is going to burn him for a very long time. 

Who the hell did the trade study on "Trump running for President"? 

Lose, I get investigated quietly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Win, I get investigated loudly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Did no one ever say, "You may want to consider the consequences."

This was about THE DUMBEST thing Trump could have ever done.


The funny thing would be if Trump wanted to lose and expected to lose but the Russians actually hacked the voting machines to give him the win.

/Not really Ha Ha funny
//More Lamentations and Unending Misery funny
 
2017-09-01 03:43:58 PM  

geoduck42: Marcus Aurelius: All that matters is that this information is in the news, and Trump will hear about it.

Drip. Drip. Drip.

Yeah, plus the fact that this draft still even exists. Somebody hung on to it, and then leaked it to Mueller of all people..


A word to the wicked: attorneys (and their clerks) keep copies of EVERYTHING.

Absolutely.

Everything.
 
2017-09-01 03:44:14 PM  
Does anyone else find Stephen Miller's face to be incredibly annoying?
 
2017-09-01 03:45:01 PM  

otherginger: As an aside, there's a plume of smoke coming from the Russian consulate here in SF, and it was just announced that TOMORROW the feds were supposed to raid the joint.  Of course, it's 96 degrees here in the city today, so I'm sure there's a logical reason why they were using the fireplace.  Someone on Twitter suggested there were selecting a new Pope.


Thats not suspicious at all....
 
2017-09-01 03:45:55 PM  

the_innkeeper: poonesfarm: WaPo has a few more details on the letter.

The multi-page letter enumerated Trump's long-simmering complaints with Comey, according to people familiar with it, including Trump's frustration that Comey was unwilling to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation in the FBI's inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 election...

The letter documents what the White House eventually acknowledged in the days after Comey's termination - that Trump had already decided to let the FBI director go before he solicited recommendations from Sessions and Rosenstein.

That peek into Trump's mind is going to burn him for a very long time. 

Who the hell did the trade study on "Trump running for President"? 

Lose, I get investigated quietly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Win, I get investigated loudly and end up going to jail, penniless, for all the shenanigans I have pulled in the past 30 years.

Did no one ever say, "You may want to consider the consequences."

This was about THE DUMBEST thing Trump could have ever done.


Which is why he was told not to run in 2012.  Because all the Russian stuff and other financial shenanigans would come out.  And he listened back then.  What changed over 4 years, aside from Obama making fun of him at the WHC dinner?  This is all just so stupid.  I feel like any minute I could wake up and it'll still be 2011, Obama will still be president, I'll still be living in IL, and this will all just be some horrible nightmare.  Yeah, and Emma Watson and Natalie Portman will be arguing over whose turn it is to blow me.

/hate this farking timeline
 
2017-09-01 03:46:17 PM  
Granted they are two different things, but are we doing ourselves any favors by grabbing every bit of vapor and holding it up in victory like, say, the Benghazi zealots? Nobody has even seen the letter, which was just a rough draft that was never sent. What's next, dumpster diving looking for borscht as proof Trump likes things Russian?

As always, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet. And let's stop acting like every thread in the tapestry will cause it to unravel.
 
2017-09-01 03:48:20 PM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: Foghorn of Ignorance: While it may prove insightful for Mueller personally, I would have thought a good defence attorney would be able to make short work of an unsent draft version of a letter if it were put forward as evidence of intent in an actual obstruction of justice prosecution.

It seems like it was a draft letter they actually tried to sent and someone was like "Are you f$cking high?".  Probably Rinsed Pubis.

blastoh: Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president's top political advisers.


Oh boy.... this is going to be sooo much fun.

I see it was Mr. McGaghn.  So was it Mr. McGaghn's idea to ask the Justice Department's for a recommendation of dismissal from Rod Rosenstein instead?


Quick question: when the lawyer tells you that you can't send something as it could get you in trouble, why do you still have copies?

I did someone keep it as an insurance policy?
 
2017-09-01 03:49:11 PM  

JerkStore: As always, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet.


I thought we all agreed to be on the fence about that?
 
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