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(Fox Business)   Right-wing: "YOU CAN'T TAKE DOWN THOSE CIVIL WAR MONUMENTS, THEY'RE TOO IMPORTANT TO OUR HISTORY. Reporter: Does that mean you support keeping Harriet Tubman on the new $20 bill? Right-wing: *crickets*   ( foxbusiness.com) divider line
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2017-08-31 04:15:57 PM  
Clio, the Muse of History, can be quite the biatch, can't she?

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2017-08-31 04:26:11 PM  
Treasury better not take this away from us. I'm embarrassed that it took this long.
 
2017-08-31 04:29:22 PM  
She's one woman who knew what it was like to fight a battle with the Veterans Administration.
 
2017-08-31 04:30:20 PM  
Look, history is important, and the South has contributed in an outsized way to American culture. The South deserves to be recognized. So, for every Confederate statue that comes down, let's replace it with statues of some of the hundreds of thousands of valiant soldiers who fought for the United States during the Civil War. I am partial to Monty Meigs, but I am open to suggestions. Plus, we should require children to study the actual words of the Confederate founders. Let's make the Declaration of Reasons for Secession required reading every year starting in 5th grade.
 
2017-08-31 04:31:32 PM  
But don't you dare call them racists.
 
2017-08-31 04:35:40 PM  
Look! A fresh new angle to the narrative!
 
2017-08-31 04:36:50 PM  
The proposal would have included keeping Andrew Jackson on the bill. They can't even agree to let a black woman share the $20 bill with a genocidal white president. If that doesn't show it's not about recognizing people other than whites (and white men usually at that), what could prove it?
 
2017-08-31 04:41:14 PM  

Serious Black: The proposal would have included keeping Andrew Jackson on the bill. They can't even agree to let a black woman share the $20 bill with a genocidal white president. If that doesn't show it's not about recognizing people other than whites (and white men usually at that), what could prove it?


Jackson's portrait is in the Oval now, you want Secretary Munchkin to pick a fight with the boss?

As I said in the other thread, the President isn't going to move his fav historical president to make way for the chick he thinks invented the butter churn, or whatever.
 
2017-08-31 04:42:52 PM  

parkthebus: Look! A fresh new angle to the narrative!


Bless your heart.

Here's a cookie for the effort.

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2017-08-31 04:43:18 PM  
We should put Sherman on the $100
 
2017-08-31 04:52:30 PM  

wejash: Serious Black: The proposal would have included keeping Andrew Jackson on the bill. They can't even agree to let a black woman share the $20 bill with a genocidal white president. If that doesn't show it's not about recognizing people other than whites (and white men usually at that), what could prove it?

Jackson's portrait is in the Oval now, you want Secretary Munchkin to pick a fight with the boss?

As I said in the other thread, the President isn't going to move his fav historical president to make way for the chick he thinks invented the butter churn, or whatever.


You're goddamn right I want him to pick a fight with the pussy in the White House about recognizing the contributions of Harriett Tubman!
 
2017-08-31 05:21:57 PM  
This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.
 
2017-08-31 05:22:21 PM  

IgG4: We should put Sherman on the $100


... would have no effect on redneck nazis
 
2017-08-31 05:24:21 PM  
Subby, Andrew Jackson was important to our history. So what's your point exactly?
 
2017-08-31 05:25:44 PM  
As with everything republican, they mean preserve their history, not yours.
 
2017-08-31 05:26:19 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


Just like when color was added, it fooled people for decades. Decades of people unable to use cash. It was only this year that tellers have gotten used to color. I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if a woman of color was the portrait. Anarchy and chaos.
 
2017-08-31 05:27:02 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


Like Presidents Hamilton and Franklin?
 
2017-08-31 05:27:07 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


Yeah!  Like Hamilton and Franklin!  Oh, wait....
 
2017-08-31 05:28:11 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.

Just like when color was added, it fooled people for decades. Decades of people unable to use cash. It was only this year that tellers have gotten used to color. I can only imagine the chaos that would ensue if a woman of color was the portrait. Anarchy and chaos.


To this day, I think most people believe Ben Franklin was elected President.
 
2017-08-31 05:28:30 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


I'm not feeding it, but if I were, I'd point out that 1) Coins are money, and 2) 10 and 100$
 
2017-08-31 05:29:05 PM  
They'd probably be willing to support her on the 20 if she's holding a mop and bucket.
 
2017-08-31 05:29:22 PM  

IgG4: We should put Sherman on the $100


APRIL 6, 2003
Correction Appended
Two ceremonies were taking place today, with purposes as different as day and night, or North and South. One was the unveiling of a statue of Abraham Lincoln, and the other a vigil in protest at the grave of Jefferson Davis.
The statue of Lincoln, commissioned by the United States Historical Society, is in a park that was the site of the Tredegar Ironworks, where tons of Confederate matériel were forged in the Civil War.
The protest, by about 100 members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, was at Hollywood Cemetery, where many of the Confederacy's politicians and civic leaders are buried, as well as 18,000 Civil War soldiers.
Bragdon Bowling, Virginia division commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, was among the speakers.
''They have no concept of history and how it might be the wrong place to put the statue,'' said Mr. Bowling, whose great-grandfather John Stephen Cannon fought for the Confederacy. ''As a Southerner, I'm offended. You wouldn't put a statue of Winston Churchill in downtown Berlin, would you? What's next, a statue of Sherman in Atlanta?''
Since late last year, when plans for the statue were announced, Confederate sympathizers, including hundreds of re-enactors and scores of Sons of Confederate Veterans members, have denounced the statue of Lincoln and his son Tad overlooking the vanquished city in April 1865 after its citizens burned it rather than give ground to Union troops.

/What's so offensive about a statue of an American president in America?
 
2017-08-31 05:30:17 PM  

DeaH: Look, history is important, and the South has contributed in an outsized way to American culture. The South deserves to be recognized. So, for every Confederate statue that comes down, let's replace it with statues of some of the hundreds of thousands of valiant soldiers who fought for the United States during the Civil War. I am partial to Monty Meigs, but I am open to suggestions. Plus, we should require children to study the actual words of the Confederate founders. Let's make the Declaration of Reasons for Secession required reading every year starting in 5th grade.


No. 30 seconds of lesson plan.

"They were racist f*cks"
 
2017-08-31 05:32:58 PM  

ScottRiqui: optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.

Yeah!  Like Hamilton and Franklin!  Oh, wait....


And don't forget my favorite president, Salmon P. Chase.
 
2017-08-31 05:34:03 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.


Current 5,10,20,50, and 100 dollar bills look nothing like the bills that circulated when I was a teenager. Somehow, this chaos of clerks not being able to tell the new bills from fake bills never happened. In the 20-plus years since the bills started being changed, there have been multiple subtle changes to them to prevent counterfeiting. Still, no chaos.
The treasury department informs banks and other businesses of the changes and what to look for well in advance.
It's almost like your assumption has no basis in historical reality.
 
2017-08-31 05:34:28 PM  
Get rid of people, just put national landmarks on the money. And for god's sake make different denominations different sizes like every other ration currency.
 
2017-08-31 05:34:53 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: They'd probably be willing to support her on the 20 if she's holding a mop and bucket.


And on the back.
 
2017-08-31 05:34:53 PM  
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/this one makes me laugh every time
 
2017-08-31 05:36:33 PM  
I can't wrap my head around all the stereotypes and irony swirling around a Jew who's reticent about the fate of a black female abolitionist on a bill of money in the most outwardly racist administration in recent memory.
 
2017-08-31 05:38:10 PM  

HighOnCraic: What's so offensive about a statue of an American president in America?


Well the inscription reading "Haha" may have been a bit much
 
2017-08-31 05:38:53 PM  

mama2tnt: Smelly Pirate Hooker: They'd probably be willing to support her on the 20 if she's holding a mop and bucket.

And on the back.


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//Losers still mad the Union made these worthless
 
2017-08-31 05:39:05 PM  
I'm an actual descendant of a confederate General whose name carried all the way down to my mom's maiden name.  I find the history fascinating.  I find the statues appalling.
 
2017-08-31 05:39:31 PM  

DeaH: Look, history is important, and the South has contributed in an outsized way to American culture. The South deserves to be recognized. So, for every Confederate statue that comes down, let's replace it with statues of some of the hundreds of thousands of valiant soldiers who fought for the United States during the Civil War. I am partial to Monty Meigs, but I am open to suggestions. Plus, we should require children to study the actual words of the Confederate founders. Let's make the Declaration of Reasons for Secession required reading every year starting in 5th grade.


I'd say in Savannah, GA and Columbia, SC should have 50 foot tall statues of Sherman erected.

As for oddballs, how about Adm DD Porter?  Pennsylvanian who joined the navy (the MEXICAN navy,) and eventually came back to the US to become the second 4-star Admiral ever.
 
2017-08-31 05:40:05 PM  
Tell him why not? After all, she was a gun toting second amendment solutions woman fighting an oppressive government and slave system held up by the racist Democrat party. Should be a win-win?
 
2017-08-31 05:40:22 PM  

optikeye: But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


I have some news for you about the ten dollar bill...
 
2017-08-31 05:46:01 PM  
I was always amused by Jackson being on the $20.

Given he hated the Treasury.
 
2017-08-31 05:47:30 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


We probably should replace Lincoln with Reagan at this point. At least it's a Republican for a Republican so you libs wouldn't mind.
 
2017-08-31 05:48:08 PM  

justafarkingchef: As with everything republican, they mean preserve their history, not yours.


Their history?

Jackson founded the modern Democratic Party.
 
2017-08-31 05:49:24 PM  

MrPoopyPants: [img.fark.net image 460x696]
/this one makes me laugh every time


1. Jackson died in 1845, 16 years before the Confederacy was born.
2. Jackson sent federal troops into South Carolina to prevent them from nullifying federal laws. He was a Unionist.
 
2017-08-31 05:52:53 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


Presidents like Franklin, Hamilton, etc.?

What country do you live in?
 
2017-08-31 05:54:48 PM  

DeaH: Look, history is important, and the South has contributed in an outsized way to American culture. The South deserves to be recognized. So, for every Confederate statue that comes down, let's replace it with statues of some of the hundreds of thousands of valiant soldiers who fought for the United States during the Civil War. I am partial to Monty Meigs, but I am open to suggestions. Plus, we should require children to study the actual words of the Confederate founders. Let's make the Declaration of Reasons for Secession required reading every year starting in 5th grade.


Don't forget the Cornerstone Speech. . .let's make sure that speech on exactly why they seceded by the VP of the Confederacy is part of every lesson plan on the outbreak of the civil war.

"Our new government is founded upon exactly this idea, its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Yeah. . .now what was that about trying to say this was over "State's rights" or "economics" or somesuch?

If they want to turn this into a fight over the history of the Civil War, bring it on :-)

/M.A. in History
 
2017-08-31 05:56:12 PM  

This text is now purple: justafarkingchef: As with everything republican, they mean preserve their history, not yours.

Their history?

Jackson founded the modern Democratic Party.


No, he founded the pre-modern Democratic party, which was conservative and much closer in philosophy to the modern Republican party.
 
2017-08-31 05:59:05 PM  
CSB:   May I add my two cents to this discussion?
  There is one possible reason why the paper currency in the USA had to change.
 About 20+ years ago, in Philadelphia, an entire Heidelberg press was stolen. Everything, right down to the dust balls underneath it. It is one of the very best printing presses ever made. It was huge, perhaps a size of a city block. How do I know this? A co-worker at the time, told me that her son-a Heidelberg trained master technician (he went to Germany several times a year for training with the company) went to work on a Monday morning-to check on said press, having helped to shut it down the previous week, for re-furbushing and maintenance per company regulations. The entire printing press was gone. This never made the news. In the space of two and a half days, the entire press was dismantled and removed. Then, about 14 months later, counterfeit 20 dollar bills began flooding the market. It took another few months to track down where they were coming from. Israel and or some nebulous location known as "the Middle East". It took the Treasury Department a few years to design Monopoly money to compete with the counterfeit bills, and then the insertion of various string codes/paper content checking systems which are the pens clerks at registers to check the paper bills.
 
2017-08-31 06:04:58 PM  

DeaH: Look, history is important, and the South has contributed in an outsized way to American culture. The South deserves to be recognized.


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2017-08-31 06:06:15 PM  

optikeye: This would cause so much chaos as I bet most clerks would think they're fake bills.
Sure, give her a coin. But the money should be reserved for dead presidents.


Have you, like, looked at money over the years?
 
2017-08-31 06:07:52 PM  
Why not put her on the $25 bill?
 
2017-08-31 06:23:29 PM  

HighOnCraic: IgG4: We should put Sherman on the $100

APRIL 6, 2003
Correction Appended
Two ceremonies were taking place today, with purposes as different as day and night, or North and South. One was the unveiling of a statue of Abraham Lincoln, and the other a vigil in protest at the grave of Jefferson Davis.
The statue of Lincoln, commissioned by the United States Historical Society, is in a park that was the site of the Tredegar Ironworks, where tons of Confederate matériel were forged in the Civil War.
The protest, by about 100 members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, was at Hollywood Cemetery, where many of the Confederacy's politicians and civic leaders are buried, as well as 18,000 Civil War soldiers.
Bragdon Bowling, Virginia division commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, was among the speakers.
''They have no concept of history and how it might be the wrong place to put the statue,'' said Mr. Bowling, whose great-grandfather John Stephen Cannon fought for the Confederacy. ''As a Southerner, I'm offended. You wouldn't put a statue of Winston Churchill in downtown Berlin, would you? What's next, a statue of Sherman in Atlanta?''
Since late last year, when plans for the statue were announced, Confederate sympathizers, including hundreds of re-enactors and scores of Sons of Confederate Veterans members, have denounced the statue of Lincoln and his son Tad overlooking the vanquished city in April 1865 after its citizens burned it rather than give ground to Union troops.

/What's so offensive about a statue of an American president in America?


This is a really great example of how the South sees it. They still like to act like they're their own little nation still, and see Lincoln as a conqueror, an oppressor, and an occupier. To them, he's not a former president of the United States, he's a former president of The North. As such, we should put statues of Lincoln and Sherman in the city centers of Mobile, Atlanta, Tallahassee, Nashville, New Orleans, Raleigh, Durham, Richmond, etc. Just as a little reminder.
 
2017-08-31 06:27:38 PM  
It sounds like we are making some serious assumptions as to what the people already on our money identified as.....

/ for all we know, Ben Franklin could have identified as an African American lesbian.....
 
2017-08-31 06:37:25 PM  
You mean the $12 bill?
 
2017-08-31 06:39:35 PM  

wildcardjack: You mean the $12 bill?


I see what you did there.
 
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