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(The Hill)   You'll be shocked, shocked, to hear that Iran isn't allowing nuclear inspectors to inspect their nuclears   ( thehill.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Iran nuclear deal, Ali Khamenei, Barack Obama, International Atomic Energy Agency, United States, Democratic Party, President of the United States, Iran  
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2017-08-30 10:32:36 AM  
subby misspelled "military bases".  Why the f$ck would Iran let the US inspect their military bases?
 
2017-08-30 10:37:53 AM  
WE WANT WAR! WE WANT WAR!

/#MAGA
 
2017-08-30 10:50:12 AM  
Maybe Iran is hiding military stuff on their military bases. Who knows what the inspectors might have found? Guns? Maybe even bombs!

But anyway, what is Iran's incentive to allow this?
 
2017-08-30 10:57:11 AM  
Since it's such a reasonable request, I'm sure we'd be happy to reciprocate and let Iran inspect our military bases.
 
2017-08-30 10:59:35 AM  
The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.
 
2017-08-30 11:03:38 AM  
The US negotiated a hand-job - not a blowie.
 
2017-08-30 11:36:37 AM  

FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.


I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.
 
2017-08-30 11:39:00 AM  
They would have done it for Obama. They know Donnie is weak.
 
2017-08-30 11:42:11 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.


Who is? Doesn't matter though.
 
2017-08-30 11:47:22 AM  
You know who everyone loves and would be the perfect person to cross the aisle and discuss this?  Senator John McCain.  Republicans adore him.  Democrats love him.
 
2017-08-30 12:28:26 PM  

Chris Ween: You know who everyone loves and would be the perfect person to cross the aisle and discuss this?  Senator John McCain.  Republicans adore him.  Democrats love him.


Some people prefer people who weren't captured.
 
2017-08-30 12:35:05 PM  
That wasn't part of the deal. You want more, negotiate more.
 
2017-08-30 12:35:11 PM  
Iran. So far away.
 
2017-08-30 12:35:29 PM  
The treaty covers nuclear power plants, I don't think they ever discussed military bases.
 
2017-08-30 12:36:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The treaty covers nuclear power plants, I don't think they ever discussed military bases.


They may have, but I imagine the outcome would have been identical.
 
2017-08-30 12:37:39 PM  
"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."   -  D. Vader
 
2017-08-30 12:39:33 PM  

Lost Thought 00: That wasn't part of the deal. You want more, negotiate more.


Trumpets don't care. Remember many of them think Obama was president for Katrina.
 
2017-08-30 12:42:43 PM  
I'm sure once we've finished laying out the compelling evidence we've gathered that Iran has shifted their nuclear weapons program to these sites and away from where the inspectors are allo--- hey why are you laughing?
 
2017-08-30 12:42:53 PM  
Well now I'm really on the fence about voting for Hassan Rouhani.
 
2017-08-30 12:46:31 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.


Israel can't admit to having a nuclear weapons program otherwise all of the other weapons sales to them by the US would become illegal as they have not signed the NPT and had their sites inspected.  That is a couple Billion dollar Catch 22 they are stuck in.
 
2017-08-30 12:46:46 PM  

not enough beer: Lost Thought 00: That wasn't part of the deal. You want more, negotiate more.

Trumpets don't care. Remember many of them think Obama was president for Katrina.


Think. They don't farking "think" that. It is literally impossible to "think" that. They just believe it. Thinking is nowhere in the equation.
 
2017-08-30 12:46:50 PM  
 
2017-08-30 12:46:51 PM  

2wolves: "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."   -  D. Vader


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2017-08-30 12:47:58 PM  
They are laying the groundwork to refuse to recertify the JCPOA next month.

To be clear, the IAEA has the authority, under the deal, to demand inspections of additional sites if they find reason to suspect Iran is conducting illicit nuclear research there. They are not suggesting this. Nikki Haley, with her extensive foreign relations, nuclear weapons and anti-proliferation experience, is making this demand based on nothing. Well, nothing except for the fact that she knows Iran can't possibly agree to it, thereby damaging the entire relationship and giving Trump cover to "tear up" the agreement (something he can't actually do, but he doesn't understand that).

Listen all y'all, it's a sabotage.
 
2017-08-30 12:48:33 PM  

MrBallou: They would have done it for Obama. They know Donnie is weak.


Alternatively they know Donnie is batshiat insane and has a major party controlling the major branches that is too chickenshiat to call him out on it.

If a major nuclear power was getting a little too unhinged then wouldn't you want a deterrent?
 
2017-08-30 12:49:19 PM  
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2017-08-30 12:51:51 PM  

Ivo Shandor: That sounds oddly familiar...
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*shakes tiny vial of talcum powder*
 
2017-08-30 12:56:23 PM  

macadamnut: *shakes tiny vial of talcum powder*


Careful, man! Are you trying to get us all killed?
 
2017-08-30 12:58:34 PM  

Ivo Shandor: That sounds oddly familiar...
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I don't think this is about trying to start a war with Iran. It's something much pettier than that: the JCPOA is an Obama success and Trump has an infantile emotional compulsion to undo everything the black guy who made fun of him did.

I mean, the neoconservative hawks are also pushing him to do it for their own reasons, but Trump isn't that deep. He's just stigginit.
 
2017-08-30 01:01:56 PM  
Shocked that Iran said "F*ck you" after the US passed additional sanctions despite certifying they were compliant? You're right, I'm not shocked.
 
2017-08-30 01:07:38 PM  
After Libya, they would be lunatics to not be perusing nuclear development as quickly and quietly as they can manage.
 
2017-08-30 01:10:11 PM  
This is the prelude being manufactured so Trump can pull out of the deal, even though it has nothing at all to do with the deal. Subby clearly took the bait, which means the rest of the fake America is already on board.
 
2017-08-30 01:12:47 PM  

flynn80: Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.

Israel can't admit to having a nuclear weapons program otherwise all of the other weapons sales to them by the US would become illegal as they have not signed the NPT and had their sites inspected.


Citation?
 
2017-08-30 01:24:02 PM  

mod_reright: Ivo Shandor: That sounds oddly familiar...
[img.fark.net image 364x122]

I don't think this is about trying to start a war with Iran. It's something much pettier than that: the JCPOA is an Obama success and Trump has an infantile emotional compulsion to undo everything the black guy who made fun of him did.


They ran on a platform of how terrible the deal was so now they're looking like fools for re-certifying it. And blowing it up is a futile gesture since the rest of the world won't go along with it and sanctions by the US alone are meaningless. But making Trump look like slightly less of an idiot is more important than keeping Iran from getting nukes.
 
2017-08-30 01:27:41 PM  

2wolves: "I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."   -  D. Vader


I knew Vader was a Democrat all along.
 
2017-08-30 01:29:27 PM  

Dictatorial_Flair: not enough beer: Lost Thought 00: That wasn't part of the deal. You want more, negotiate more.

Trumpets don't care. Remember many of them think Obama was president for Katrina.

Think. They don't farking "think" that. It is literally impossible to "think" that. They just believe it. Thinking is nowhere in the equation.


Extremely fair point.
 
2017-08-30 01:30:23 PM  
The IAEA can only gain access to addition sites if it has evidence of prohibited nuclear activity. If they have evidence, publicly present it, so the world can see (like Kennedy did during the Cuban missile crisis). I will want to hear this presentation from the actual IAEA weapons inspectors, not the Trump administration. Otherwise, we all know what this stinks of.
 
2017-08-30 01:35:55 PM  

Saamstraat: MrBallou: They would have done it for Obama. They know Donnie is weak.

Alternatively they know Donnie is batshiat insane and has a major party controlling the major branches that is too chickenshiat to call him out on it.

If a major nuclear power was getting a little too unhinged then wouldn't you want a deterrent?


Alternatively we can think of weak as incapable, rather than being the overcompensating war monger that is typically associated with a 'strong' American president. So, Donnie is weak because he is incapable of dealing with complex international issues in a competent manner.
 
2017-08-30 01:36:48 PM  

shpritz: They ran on a platform of how terrible the deal was


The trump administration ran on a lot of things.
 
2017-08-30 01:38:14 PM  

BigNumber12: flynn80: Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.

Israel can't admit to having a nuclear weapons program otherwise all of the other weapons sales to them by the US would become illegal as they have not signed the NPT and had their sites inspected.

Citation?


The Symington Amendment
 
2017-08-30 01:39:21 PM  

BigNumber12: flynn80: Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.

Israel can't admit to having a nuclear weapons program otherwise all of the other weapons sales to them by the US would become illegal as they have not signed the NPT and had their sites inspected.

Citation?


Looks like Article 1 of the treaty. https://unoda-web.s3-accelerate.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploa​ds/assets/WMD/Nuclear/pdf/NPTEnglish_Text.pdf

Though there is no language in it that would indicate punitive measures being implemented if the NPT was broken. That probably would have to come through agreed upon UN resolutions.
 
2017-08-30 01:40:40 PM  
Do you want ot be Iraq? Because this is how you ge tto be Iraq.
 
2017-08-30 01:42:48 PM  

flynn80: BigNumber12: flynn80: Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.

Israel can't admit to having a nuclear weapons program otherwise all of the other weapons sales to them by the US would become illegal as they have not signed the NPT and had their sites inspected.

Citation?

The Symington Amendment


Interesting - thanks!
 
2017-08-30 01:42:50 PM  

Ned Stark: shpritz: They ran on a platform of how terrible the deal was

The trump administration ran on a lot of things.


Mostly hate and ignorance.
 
2017-08-30 01:47:27 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.


I'd rather they keep theirs, as I am a big fan of deterrence
 
2017-08-30 01:54:57 PM  

Lackofname: Do you want ot be Iraq? Because this is how you ge tto be Iraq.


How to be Iraq 101: Exist while the U.S. has a war monger president with slipping popularity. Insert ignorant Americans like lackofname who don't do cursory research to see theyre being manipulated.
 
2017-08-30 01:56:29 PM  

shinji3i: Exist while the U.S. has a war monger president with slipping popularity.


lolwut
 
2017-08-30 01:56:51 PM  

dereksmalls: Tr0mBoNe: FortyHams: The sooner Iran has nuclear weapons the sooner the rest of the world will back off. I know it, you know it, they know it.

I'd rather Israel gets rids of theirs... I'm not a big fan of escalation.

I'd rather they keep theirs, as I am a big fan of deterrence


Yep. As far as responsibility with nuclear weapons goes, Israel's top of the heap for everyone between Greece and India. One of the planet's most glaring examples of "badly-needed deterrence."
 
2017-08-30 01:59:16 PM  
 
2017-08-30 02:04:02 PM  

theknuckler_33: I'll just leave this here: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/politics/trump-iran-complying-nuclear/in​dex.html


Nothing builds resentment in a kid like telling him he won't be in trouble if he tells the truth and then smacking him when he does.
 
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