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(USA Today)   Sec. Mattis freezes Dr Evil's--er, Trump's--military transgender ban   ( usatoday.com) divider line
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2017-08-29 08:16:12 PM  
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2017-08-29 08:17:52 PM  
Wow. The Executive branch just split on this. Huh. What is Trump gonna do?
 
2017-08-29 09:09:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Wow. The Executive branch just split on this. Huh. What is Trump gonna do?


Fire somebody.  That seems to be his MO
 
2017-08-29 11:55:49 PM  
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2017-08-30 12:01:09 AM  
there's been quite a bit of stuff going on with the VP ,Kelly,Mattis et al here lately that makes me believe something bigger is happening behind the scenes. Ever since they called Pence back from Europe to camp David things have been happening that are very unTrumpian.
 
2017-08-30 12:06:38 AM  
Good. People in the middle of serving their country shouldn't have to put up with this shiat from the Idiot-in-Chief.
 
2017-08-30 12:14:27 AM  
Somewhere is the USSR, a former kgb agent is chuckling.
 
2017-08-30 12:15:58 AM  
at least he tried.  that is all that matters.
 
2017-08-30 12:17:47 AM  
There's nothing like a shaved scrotum.
 
2017-08-30 12:17:53 AM  
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D2S's reaction possibilities make me shiver with antici
 
2017-08-30 12:20:20 AM  
The plot thickens.
 
2017-08-30 12:20:55 AM  
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2017-08-30 12:22:12 AM  
He's FIRED
 
2017-08-30 12:22:15 AM  
Wait...  he only put a freeze on discharging those already part of the military until after some kind of study to determine just how to discharge them is complete.  The ban is still in place from allowing anymore to sign on.

Did I miss read tfa?
 
2017-08-30 12:23:08 AM  
Mattis is not overriding Trump's order. He is simply stating that transgender troops currently in the military may continue serving pending the outcome of a study on the impact of transgender persons in the military.
 
2017-08-30 12:23:36 AM  
This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.
 
2017-08-30 12:23:58 AM  
Trump's not really evil, is he? He's stupid, he's self-serving, he's narcissistic, he's an asshole... OK, he's evil. He's certainly not a doctor, though.
 
2017-08-30 12:23:58 AM  

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SHEEV SPIN IMMINENT
 
2017-08-30 12:25:25 AM  
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Thanks again for holding the line and buying the civilians some time.
 
2017-08-30 12:27:22 AM  
www.gannett-cdn.comMad Dog? More like Droopy Dog. When's the last time you slept, my friend?
 
2017-08-30 12:27:31 AM  
Guess Mattis has chosen to leave.  fark. Gonna get worse fast with him gone.
 
2017-08-30 12:27:50 AM  

MythDragon: This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.


congratulations on your level of idiot. best of luck if you ever have to interface with law enforcement.
 
2017-08-30 12:28:15 AM  
This might be FakeNews™
 
2017-08-30 12:28:17 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Trump's not really evil, is he? He's stupid, he's self-serving, he's narcissistic, he's an asshole... OK, he's evil. He's certainly not a doctor, though.


President Trump is of the "neutral evil" variety, rather than the "chaotic evil". He does not actively seek to cause harm to others, but he has absolutely no concerns about any harm that others suffer as a result of his efforts to enrich himself.
 
2017-08-30 12:29:22 AM  
Mattis doesn't really have a choice.  He considers the order unconstitutional and is deferring action because he doesn't want to be held personally or professionally liable.  I can't say I blame him and applaud his decision--its not as if he's defying a court order... That would be a huge deal.

He's setting a fine example for our troops: if you think an order is unconstitutional, you must object.
 
2017-08-30 12:29:57 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: USSR


The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? The one that dissolved in the '90s? I understand that this timeline is strange and confusing but which friggin' timeline are you on? And how are you posting to Fark from there?
Or perhaps you meant Russia?
 
2017-08-30 12:30:07 AM  
While it's not time for us to start sucking each other's cocks just yet, I am happy to see that Mattis has taken the stance that he will stick to the plan that was in place before Trump went full stupid with his original trans-ban tweet.

When Twitler decided out of the blue that trans people couldn't and shouldn't serve in the military, Mattis had already requested and was conducting a six-month study into the matter. This was after the Pentagon issued the Transgender Servicemember Implementation policy, which lifted the ban on trans people serving in the military and the parameters in which they would serve, such as new recruits being required to be "gender stable" or at least 18 months before joining, and under what circumstances actively serving trans troops would transition.

This policy was issued by the Pentagon after a lengthy study by the Rand Corporation that showed that not only would any medical costs associated with trans troops serving be relatively minimal, it also proved that there would be no negative impact to unit cohesion, readiness etc by having trans people openly serve in the military.

This was a nontroversy that should never have happened, and it still pisses me off that Trump used transgender people as a scary bogieman/red herring to distract his mouth-breathing base from the scandals rocking his administration.
 
2017-08-30 12:30:50 AM  
Again with this "the military will save us" horse shiat. Mattis is doing exactly as he's told and conducting a "study" before he implements the ban, during which time transgender soldiers get to sweat it out. This isn't f*cking heroic, this is Mattis continuing to do the bidding of an insane president and being inexplicably praised for doing so.
 
2017-08-30 12:31:07 AM  
So Trump isn't really President anymore? We've had that soft coup we were discussing here on Fark a couple weeks back?
 
2017-08-30 12:31:48 AM  
I'm reminded of a story about a dictator that was basically surrounded by a fake world where he was still in charge, but really things were being managed in a sane way without him knowing. Hint hint.
 
2017-08-30 12:32:36 AM  

sinko swimo: MythDragon: This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.

congratulations on your level of idiot. best of luck if you ever have to interface with law enforcement.


That reads like a bad copypasta. There's virtually no chance (s)he's serious.
 
2017-08-30 12:34:46 AM  

Dimensio: thurstonxhowell: Trump's not really evil, is he? He's stupid, he's self-serving, he's narcissistic, he's an asshole... OK, he's evil. He's certainly not a doctor, though.

President Trump is of the "neutral evil" variety, rather than the "chaotic evil". He does not actively seek to cause harm to others, but he has absolutely no concerns about any harm that others suffer as a result of his efforts to enrich himself.


I think credible arguments be made for either of those. "Lawful evil" I might buy, depending on one's definition of "lawful".
 
2017-08-30 12:34:49 AM  

MythDragon: This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.


Jokes on you! I'm a gay transman married to a gay man! And we have a cat and a dog living in sin together, too! And I think my chickens are lesbians!  Dear GAWD what is next???
 
2017-08-30 12:35:03 AM  

orclover: Guess Mattis has chosen to leave.  fark. Gonna get worse fast with him gone.


Yeah, he was the one appointment I actually respected.  However, Mattis has contradicted and stood up to Trump before (e.g. His nuclear stance) so let's hope he stays.
 
2017-08-30 12:35:16 AM  

sevente: Peter von Nostrand: USSR

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? The one that dissolved in the '90s? I understand that this timeline is strange and confusing but which friggin' timeline are you on? And how are you posting to Fark from there?
Or perhaps you meant Russia?


Things are confusing, that's for sure.

Putin seems to be hell bent on returning Russia to the days of the USSR. Extrapolate from there.
 
2017-08-30 12:35:29 AM  

sinko swimo: MythDragon: This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.

congratulations on your level of idiot. best of luck if you ever have to interface with law enforcement.


You do realize that his comment was one semi long sarcastic rant right? right...

/right?
//RIGHT?
///RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT???????
 
2017-08-30 12:36:28 AM  
That's not fair subby.  Dr. Evil is WAY more intelligent and knowledgeable than Trump will ever be.
 
2017-08-30 12:36:31 AM  

MythDragon: This is how it starts. First they let in gay people. Then they let in transgender people. You know what this will lead to? Gay transgenders! That's the Devil's Double Damnation! A guy becoming a girl is sin enough (somewhere under "though shalt not choppist off thine dangle"). But instead of switching sixes like God intends, he still likes girls! Now he is a lesbian! And once you have gay transgenders, then they will start marrying gay transgender horses. Or something.
And you want to give these people GUNS? They already have enough issue with their junk without holding a penis replacement all day.


I read that in Early Cuyler's voice.
 
2017-08-30 12:37:21 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.gannett-cdn.com image 640x480]Mad Dog? More like Droopy Dog. When's the last time you slept, my friend?


It's amazing that it's harder to be the adult in the government than it is to run the entire Marine Corps.
 
2017-08-30 12:38:07 AM  

Cagey B: Again with this "the military will save us" horse shiat. Mattis is doing exactly as he's told and conducting a "study" before he implements the ban, during which time transgender soldiers get to sweat it out. This isn't f*cking heroic, this is Mattis continuing to do the bidding of an insane president and being inexplicably praised for doing so.


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2017-08-30 12:38:22 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Dimensio: thurstonxhowell: Trump's not really evil, is he? He's stupid, he's self-serving, he's narcissistic, he's an asshole... OK, he's evil. He's certainly not a doctor, though.

President Trump is of the "neutral evil" variety, rather than the "chaotic evil". He does not actively seek to cause harm to others, but he has absolutely no concerns about any harm that others suffer as a result of his efforts to enrich himself.

I think credible arguments be made for either of those. "Lawful evil" I might buy, depending on one's definition of "lawful".


Lawful evil implies a willingness to follow a code of conduct, even if only for self-preservation. President Trump, however, has no code. To him, the only right actions are those that benefit him. He follows no code because he believes himself exempt from the rules (and the current political leadership is quite willing to grant him exactly that).
 
2017-08-30 12:39:38 AM  
I've heard from a few Marines over the recent months that Mattis is truly a standard up guy. And of course i am not speaking for the Marines i haven't spoken to about him. They all had a pretty high regard for the man.
I believe they may be right, and maybe that Trump thought he was getting a tough 'yes' man but in reality got a true servant of the flag and people of the United States.

/Unless this has all been planned to distract us from something else
//or allow Trump to show off while knowing it would be blocked by Mattis
///perhaps on order
 
2017-08-30 12:40:16 AM  

wildcardjack: I'm reminded of a story about a dictator that was basically surrounded by a fake world where he was still in charge, but really things were being managed in a sane way without him knowing. Hint hint.


 you mean we're all walk ons in the Trumanp show?
 
2017-08-30 12:40:18 AM  

Hobodeluxe: there's been quite a bit of stuff going on with the VP ,Kelly,Mattis et al here lately that makes me believe something bigger is happening behind the scenes.


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2017-08-30 12:42:03 AM  
Awesome sauce. Doesn't completely solve the issue but it's nice to see push back to Dump's policies.
 
2017-08-30 12:42:19 AM  

Hobodeluxe: there's been quite a bit of stuff going on with the VP ,Kelly,Mattis et al here lately that makes me believe something bigger is happening Behind the Scenes. Ever since they called Pence back from Europe to camp David things have been happening that are very unTrumpian.


Kelly doesn't fark around, and his self-stated role is managing the cabinet, so this something that he has his hands in(not that Mattis is of a different mind).  Something happened to put Kelly in office and this is the way it's been ever since.  Whether it's Trump's doing or the party, it's hard to say, but I imagine time will tell.
 
2017-08-30 12:42:26 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [www.gannett-cdn.com image 640x480]Mad Dog? More like Droopy Dog. When's the last time you slept, my friend?


BEASTMODE: James Mattis: I keep other people awake at night
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2017-08-30 12:42:26 AM  
Mattis will be fine. Why? Because for all that it was one of his more obviously stupid decisions, this was also one of the rare occasions where Trump actually tried to be presumidential without a massive ulterior motive.*

The military really and truly was having a discussion about how to integrate and medically cope with trans troops, and there was a faction within that debate that wanted to make things like hormones the troops' problem. There was also some external pressure from conservatives in Congress threatening to zero out the budget for anything remotely trans-related in the military.

So Trump heard about 0.03% of what smarter people were saying about all this, and leapt decisively into action: WE SHALL BAN THE EVIL trans AND SAVE OUR MILITARY FROM THIS DASTARDLY THREAT. And because he's Donald Trump, he did this without giving anyone the chance to tell him that nobody ordered that particular shiat sandwich.

Trump doesn't give a shiat about trans, trans bans, trans fats, or Trans Ams. Hell, he doesn't even riff about them in his rallies. He's already gotten as pissed off as he's going to get about this (back when the generals all frowned and harrumphed over his heroic tweet rather than pinning a medal on him).

In fact, I doubt his staff will even bother telling him about Mattis doing this.

* yes, it served as chaff to distract from the Russia conspiracy investigation, but then what doesn't for this schmuck.
 
2017-08-30 12:42:52 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Hobodeluxe: there's been quite a bit of stuff going on with the VP ,Kelly,Mattis et al here lately that makes me believe something bigger is happening behind the scenes.

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After President Obama's dismal response to Hurricane Katrina, liberal attacks upon Trump's response to Hurricane Harvey seem rather hollow.
 
2017-08-30 12:43:14 AM  

Ivo Shandor: Hobodeluxe: there's been quite a bit of stuff going on with the VP ,Kelly,Mattis et al here lately that makes me believe something bigger is happening behind the scenes.

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Gah! Why didn't i think up the cloned Trump idea! The question is: is it biological or mechanical?
 
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