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(The Daily Beast)   The two groups most upset about people punching Nazis are Nazis and the "Radical Center." Maybe those Extra Medium shirts are too tight   ( thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2017-08-29 01:26:29 PM  
About thirty years ago I had a cartoon on my bulletin board I'd torn out of a print magazine. Two superhero types with capes are standing close together on a hill, glaring at each other, one of them with the evil guy goatee. A schlubby-looking middle-aged guy with a briefcase is jumping in between, happily saying "... and I represent the forces of moderation!".

Can't find it anywhere on the internet.
 
2017-08-29 01:32:20 PM  
and we have another winner of the Rubber Chicken Backbone Award for Courage
 
2017-08-29 01:33:12 PM  
I fully support nazis stabbing themselves.
 
2017-08-29 01:44:39 PM  
50 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about all those black people. "Hey, civil rights are great" they would say, "but why all the rioting and marching?"

30 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about the gays. "Well, sure, we shouldn't discriminate" they would say, "but the marching, with the thongs and chaps and feathers? I don't want my kid to see that. That's just gross. And what do they want to get married for?"

More recently, it's back to the black people. "Well... maybe the cops are corrupt, but god help you if you get in the way of my commute!" they say, while they vote for conservative legislators who make running a car through a crowd legal.

Some people are more interested in order than anything else, and they don't care who has to suffer. But humans are messy.
 
2017-08-29 01:47:53 PM  
Who the fark is the radical center? I recall Hillary calling Trump out for his connections to white supremacists while people supposedly to her left accused her of "identity politics".
 
2017-08-29 02:14:54 PM  

dv-ous: 50 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about all those black people. "Hey, civil rights are great" they would say, "but why all the rioting and marching?"

30 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about the gays. "Well, sure, we shouldn't discriminate" they would say, "but the marching, with the thongs and chaps and feathers? I don't want my kid to see that. That's just gross. And what do they want to get married for?"

More recently, it's back to the black people. "Well... maybe the cops are corrupt, but god help you if you get in the way of my commute!" they say, while they vote for conservative legislators who make running a car through a crowd legal.

Some people are more interested in order than anything else, and they don't care who has to suffer. But humans are messy.


Phil Ochs -- Love me, I'm a liberal
Youtube u52Oz-54VYw
 
2017-08-29 02:23:48 PM  
Ah yes, the "Radical Center." Also known as white bourgeois liberals who are seem only too happy to preserve their own moral purity when a white supremacist fires a gun at a riot while the police stand there and do nothing. Someone didn't tell them that they don't have to believe everything that comes out of Noam Chomsky's piehole. See, if the cops had done their jobs you wouldn't need other people to stand in and be human shields against people who came armed and intending to physically attack other people and places. Blaming people who do that while unwilling to get your own head smacked with a bat for standing up to fascists is utter cowardice.
 
2017-08-29 02:35:43 PM  
I haven't seen anyone from the "radical center" (who as FortyHams points out is a nonsensical label anyway) get upset about punching Nazis.  I have seen quite a few point out that punching Nazis is more likely to empower Nazis than defeat them.  History's on their side: the Brownshirts just loved picking fights with various leftist groups in the streets because it gave Hitler justification to crack down on dissent.
 
2017-08-29 02:36:15 PM  
I have yet to see any evidence that any of the counter protesters initiated any violence. And even if they had, so farking what? How are we supposed to respond to domestic terrorists? With kisses and flowers?

I'm non-violent myself, but if the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists descended on Hamtramck, I can't guarantee I wouldn't pick up a brick to defend my neighbors.

The cops stood by doing NOTHING while these assholes surrounded churches and threatened clergy and senior citizens and literally shot into crowds not to mention plowing into them with a car killing a young woman.

Standing against that is not the same as being an actual Nazi. And we shouldn't permit this childish false equivalence to pollute our discourse.
 
2017-08-29 02:36:44 PM  

Nied: I haven't seen anyone from the "radical center" (who as FortyHams points out is a nonsensical label anyway) get upset about punching Nazis.  I have seen quite a few point out that punching Nazis is more likely to empower Nazis than defeat them.  History's on their side: the Brownshirts just loved picking fights with various leftist groups in the streets because it gave Hitler justification to crack down on dissent.


TLDR: Punching Nazis is good but it's not smart.
 
2017-08-29 02:40:43 PM  
Also, if you're more concerned about punching nazis than you are about nazis shooting, stabbing and running over people then fark off entirely.
 
2017-08-29 02:48:33 PM  
Nazi are dangerous, and should be avoided if at all possible.  If they cannot be avoided, then defend yourself as best you can.
 
2017-08-29 02:57:03 PM  
"Radical Center"? Are they like the Vegan Cannibals or Luddite Hackers?
 
2017-08-29 03:00:27 PM  
The inability to commit to a political philosophy is itself a political philosophy.
 
2017-08-29 03:03:09 PM  

Somacandra: Ah yes, the "Radical Center." Also known as white bourgeois liberals who are seem only too happy to preserve their own moral purity when a white supremacist fires a gun at a riot while the police stand there and do nothing. Someone didn't tell them that they don't have to believe everything that comes out of Noam Chomsky's piehole. See, if the cops had done their jobs you wouldn't need other people to stand in and be human shields against people who came armed and intending to physically attack other people and places. Blaming people who do that while unwilling to get your own head smacked with a bat for standing up to fascists is utter cowardice.


Nazis: "Die, motherfarkers, die!"

Counter-protestors: "STFU and go away!"

Idiots: "You're both insane!"
 
2017-08-29 03:15:07 PM  
De-anonymizing them and letting their hot dog managers what they're up to seems to be more effective anyway.
 
2017-08-29 03:30:00 PM  
What's important is that we're all fighting. Keep it up.

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2017-08-29 03:51:40 PM  
I thought the author of TFA was calling antifa the "radical center" with all their nazi-punching.
 
2017-08-29 04:02:29 PM  

xanadian: I thought the author of TFA was calling antifa the "radical center" with all their nazi-punching.


WTF even is the "radical" center? These idiots are just willy-nilly rebranding reality. It's so bizarre.
 
2017-08-29 04:02:30 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-08-29 04:10:28 PM  

Munden: De-anonymizing them and letting their hot dog managers what they're up to seems to be more effective anyway.


That and meeting them in overwhelming numbers a la Boston seem to be the real Nazi stompers.
 
2017-08-29 04:13:25 PM  
"Radical Center"
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-29 05:11:39 PM  
We see and hear you, Nazi apologists. And you will not be forgotten.
 
2017-08-29 05:11:55 PM  
The thing I hate more than nazis... the alt-center.
 
2017-08-29 05:12:54 PM  

keylock71: dv-ous: 50 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about all those black people. "Hey, civil rights are great" they would say, "but why all the rioting and marching?"

30 years ago, the "radical center" was oh so very concerned about the gays. "Well, sure, we shouldn't discriminate" they would say, "but the marching, with the thongs and chaps and feathers? I don't want my kid to see that. That's just gross. And what do they want to get married for?"

More recently, it's back to the black people. "Well... maybe the cops are corrupt, but god help you if you get in the way of my commute!" they say, while they vote for conservative legislators who make running a car through a crowd legal.

Some people are more interested in order than anything else, and they don't care who has to suffer. But humans are messy.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/u52Oz-54VYw - 480x360]


Scrolled by, smarted and then realized after I finished the rest of the thread that I was humming that damned cynical earworm.
 
2017-08-29 05:13:23 PM  
Just think for a moment about how far to one end of the ideological spectrum a person has to be to think the center is "radical."
 
2017-08-29 05:14:41 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: "Radical Center"? Are they like the Vegan Cannibals or Luddite Hackers?


Militant Agnostics: "I don't know--AND YOU DON'T EITHER!"
 
2017-08-29 05:15:09 PM  

Psylence: We see and hear you, Nazi apologists. And you will not be forgotten.


Yeah!  Down with the ACLU!  Fascist appeasers!
 
2017-08-29 05:15:22 PM  

TheMarchHare: The thing I hate more than nazis... the alt-center.


If you actually think the "Alt-left" is a thing, you're either a white supremacist or you're okay with them. And at some point, there's no difference whatsoever.
 
2017-08-29 05:15:28 PM  

Nied: I have seen quite a few point out that punching Nazis is more likely to empower Nazis than defeat them. History's on their side


Your history books only went to 1944?
 
2017-08-29 05:15:35 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-29 05:17:43 PM  
Joking on the internet about punching Nazis is all well and good.  But in reality, in America when a group has a lawful right to make a public statement about their beliefs, then you're a farking arsehole and a criminal if you physically assault them while they're doing what they're legally allowed to do.

You can show up and PROTEST them, which is all well and good, and an admirable thing to do.  But showing up with the express intent of engaging in criminal acts is......well.....criminal.  Take a good hard look at the people who actually do use violence against the racists during these events.  They aren't all good people - some of them use violence more easily than you might be comfortable with.

When the Nazis marched in Skokie Illinois it was a test of the US's willingness to stick with its stated values and uphold the rule of law.  And everyone agreed that the Nazis were evil but they allowed it to happen and criticized the hell out of those arseholes for doing it.  That's the right thing.
 
2017-08-29 05:18:40 PM  

phaseolus: About thirty years ago I had a cartoon on my bulletin board I'd torn out of a print magazine. Two superhero types with capes are standing close together on a hill, glaring at each other, one of them with the evil guy goatee. A schlubby-looking middle-aged guy with a briefcase is jumping in between, happily saying "... and I represent the forces of moderation!".

Can't find it anywhere on the internet.


Pretty sure it was from National Lampoon, because I had that issue.

And I've been looking for that picture for years, also.
 
2017-08-29 05:18:48 PM  
Antifa is, in fairness, mostly comprised of farking morons.  That's not even really an arguable point, it's immediately obvious the moment they do basically anything, even when their hearts are in the right place they fark it up more or less unrecoverably.  If the movement were a president, it'd be George Bush.

However, the other side of that is that by the same standard every single farking one of the people at the Nazi rallies is, to a man and without a single exception, irredeemably evil, violent, sociopathic, and anti-american, and for the small handful who aren't already criminals their temperament indicates that it's only a matter of time, and not even a long time.  If they were a president, it'd be Hugo Chavez.

// That's right, not even one of the arguably successful dictators like Putin.  They're the pants-on-head international laughingstock dictator.
 
2017-08-29 05:19:04 PM  
Is that like a center on a skateboard?  That just doesnt make any sense, a nose guard would have a field day shoving him into the QB.  Easier than the sled.
 
2017-08-29 05:19:14 PM  
Go back to 2011 and you can find youtubes of Black Bloc antfi trashing Whole Foods and Wells Fargo without a nazi or kkk in sight.

Their definition of fascist is much broader than racist farking cosplayers.

It may just include you if you don't want to burn everything down
 
2017-08-29 05:19:25 PM  

I Am Someone Else: Psylence: We see and hear you, Nazi apologists. And you will not be forgotten.

Yeah!  Down with the ACLU!  Fascist appeasers!


Nazis are not to be appeased or tolerated, they are to be destroyed. Let them talk, they recruit. Because America is a fertile ground. So you do you, and I'll do me. History does not judge the complacent kindly.
 
2017-08-29 05:19:25 PM  
Personally I don't understand why killing reprisals aren't a thing yet, I mean sure the occasional fight video on liveleak is funny but it doesn't really maximize potential.
 
2017-08-29 05:20:34 PM  
So, I'm guessing nobody read the article and just saw the title and piled in with hot takes?

Chomsky (one of the writers mentioned in the article) isn't a rightist or center and I rarely listen to him but he may be right about antifa (whatever it is, I can't find any central organization. I'm pretty sure a decent chunk of it is 4channers trolling each other) being a gift because it gives more ammo for whataboutism. Look at NRO today, French is full on "whatabout muh antifas". Perhaps it would be best for the long term if nobody showed up dressed in black and waving anarchist/communist flags around so as to make things more uncomfortable for the French's of the world and the rest of the right.

Also, subby, your title is misleading and sucks.
 
2017-08-29 05:20:46 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: TheMarchHare: The thing I hate more than nazis... the alt-center.

If you actually think the "Alt-left" is a thing, you're either a white supremacist or you're okay with them. And at some point, there's no difference whatsoever.


Actually the alt-left has shown itself to be quite aligned with many ideas posited by Cernovitch etc. N. Konst, TYT, Chapo House, and to a very small degree Nina Turner (how sad she's become, I used to love that woman before the election).
Spend time on twitter you'll learn eventually.  🌹= 🐸
 
2017-08-29 05:20:59 PM  

TheMarchHare: The thing I hate more than nazis... the alt-center.


I think this should be a thing.

Alt-Center, n. Someone more concerned with the misbehavior of people opposing Nazis than the misbehavior of Nazis; someone who objects to people using the "Nazi" label to describe someone who waves Nazi flags, shouts Nazi slogans, and supports Nazi policies.

Some overlap with Fark Independent, though not necessarily identical.
 
2017-08-29 05:21:17 PM  
who would have thought the profa would be upset by being punched by antifa?
 
2017-08-29 05:21:19 PM  
Or even worse, the alt-nothings.

"Can't we all just agree to disagree?"
 
2017-08-29 05:23:22 PM  

Mithiwithi: TheMarchHare: The thing I hate more than nazis... the alt-center.

I think this should be a thing.

Alt-Center, n. Someone more concerned with the misbehavior of people opposing Nazis than the misbehavior of Nazis; someone who objects to people using the "Nazi" label to describe someone who waves Nazi flags, shouts Nazi slogans, and supports Nazi policies.

Some overlap with Fark Independent, though not necessarily identical.


Let's just stop trying to make alts a thing. No more alt-right, we call them fascists.
 
2017-08-29 05:23:22 PM  
WW2 example:

Radical Right -- Axis (Germany, Italy, Japan)
Radical Left -- USSR/Maoist China
Radical Center -- Western Allies
 
2017-08-29 05:24:02 PM  

cheezesub: So, I'm guessing nobody read the article and just saw the title and piled in with hot takes?

Chomsky (one of the writers mentioned in the article) isn't a rightist or center and I rarely listen to him but he may be right about antifa (whatever it is, I can't find any central organization. I'm pretty sure a decent chunk of it is 4channers trolling each other) being a gift because it gives more ammo for whataboutism. Look at NRO today, French is full on "whatabout muh antifas". Perhaps it would be best for the long term if nobody showed up dressed in black and waving anarchist/communist flags around so as to make things more uncomfortable for the French's of the world and the rest of the right.

Also, subby, your title is misleading and sucks.


Chomsky isn't a rightist by any means.

But he ain't god, and his word ain't gospel. He's just another ass with an opinion. and his opinions and ideas have not always panned out... so why should I give a shiat and lend any more weight to his words now?
Ugh. Lookit Chomsky.. living long enough to see himself become a villain. Grats, I guess.
 
2017-08-29 05:24:29 PM  

Psylence: Nazis are not to be appeased or tolerated, they are to be destroyed. Let them talk, they recruit. Because America is a fertile ground. So you do you, and I'll do me. History does not judge the complacent kindly.


Also, a Nazi is anyone publicly accused of being a Nazi. Like Gorka. Due process, and so forth? --who has time for that?
 
2017-08-29 05:24:34 PM  

stoli n coke: Nied: I have seen quite a few point out that punching Nazis is more likely to empower Nazis than defeat them. History's on their side

Your history books only went to 1944?


Hopefully it went further.

The original Antifa were the Communists. If anything, they were worse.
 
2017-08-29 05:25:24 PM  

stoli n coke: Nied: I have seen quite a few point out that punching Nazis is more likely to empower Nazis than defeat them. History's on their side

Your history books only went to 1944?


If your plan is allow Nazis to take power and hope they'll eventually be over thrown by a foreign military that devestates the country it's not a very good one.
 
2017-08-29 05:27:07 PM  
An actual nazi-punching thread on Fark?
img.fark.net

Whoo Hoo!!
 
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