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(AZ Family)   The old, "It wasn't prostitution because I was filming the sex act which makes it protected by free speech laws" doesn't fly in Arizona   ( azfamily.com) divider line
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2017-08-29 07:55:31 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-29 07:57:34 AM  
Wow, 24 years for running a brothel.
Arizona clearly has it's priorities straight
Farking bible-banging racist backwater
 
2017-08-29 10:09:27 AM  
Huh.  I know voyeurism is also illegal in some areas.  I did not think someone would try to get it labeled as free speech.
 
2017-08-29 10:49:40 AM  
Well, it's time to move
 
2017-08-29 12:14:03 PM  
Also farking an unconscious chicken is considered bad taste.
 
2017-08-29 12:16:40 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Also farking an unconscious chicken is considered bad taste.


You would think it would taste bad after doing that
 
2017-08-29 12:17:11 PM  
i.ytimg.com
 
2017-08-29 12:18:13 PM  
Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?
 
2017-08-29 12:18:54 PM  
The whole "we were making porn" probably goes out the window if one of your actors is being paid, and the other one is paying.  The defense might work for the girls, probably not so much for the pimps and the johns, which is okay, because 99 percent of the problems with prostitution are caused by pimps and johns.
 
2017-08-29 12:20:05 PM  
So, is filming pornography illegal in some states?  If not, can you just hire actors/actresses for your own limited release "film".
 
2017-08-29 12:22:10 PM  
Serious question.  Where is the line between "paying a prostitute" and "making pornography?"   In both cases she gets paid.   The only difference seems to be the presence of the camera.

For the record, I have no problems at all with either prostitutes or porn.   I'm just ... uh...  asking for a friend.
 
2017-08-29 12:23:12 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Some say there's not much difference at all. But legally, I think the big difference is that a legit porn shoot involves paying all parties to the sex act and making money via distribution, whereas this business was taking money from a participant.
 
2017-08-29 12:23:18 PM  

winedrinkingman: The whole "we were making porn" probably goes out the window if one of your actors is being paid, and the other one is paying.


What if I'm the producer, director, and star?   If Mel Gibson can do it, why can't I?
 
2017-08-29 12:23:19 PM  

hobbes0022: So, is filming pornography illegal in some states?  If not, can you just hire actors/actresses for your own limited release "film".


Most, as I understand it.  There are reasons the industry mostly operates out of CA, AZ, and NY.  Or Canuckistan.
 
2017-08-29 12:24:05 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Craft service table?
 
2017-08-29 12:24:13 PM  

Rent Party: Serious question.  Where is the line between "paying a prostitute" and "making pornography?"   In both cases she gets paid.   The only difference seems to be the presence of the camera.

For the record, I have no problems at all with either prostitutes or porn.   I'm just ... uh...  asking for a friend.


In one case he and she both get paid. (Or she and she, or he and she and she, or whatever.)

In the other case, she gets paid, but he pays.
 
2017-08-29 12:24:35 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Maybe this from TFA: Police say female employees who took customers into rooms would insist on shooting a minutes-long video or taking 10 photos with sexual content before the cameras were discarded and they began to have sex.

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."
 
2017-08-29 12:24:42 PM  

Rent Party: Serious question.  Where is the line between "paying a prostitute" and "making pornography?"   In both cases she gets paid.   The only difference seems to be the presence of the camera.

For the record, I have no problems at all with either prostitutes or porn.   I'm just ... uh...  asking for a friend.


Depends on the type of money shot
 
2017-08-29 12:27:11 PM  
It's actually a pretty decent angle.
Maybe we shouldn't waste hundreds of hours of police work on people having consensual sex.
 
2017-08-29 12:27:18 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Production company and payments from a third party.

So I hear.
 
2017-08-29 12:27:23 PM  

Mobutu: hobbes0022: So, is filming pornography illegal in some states?  If not, can you just hire actors/actresses for your own limited release "film".

Most, as I understand it.  There are reasons the industry mostly operates out of CA, AZ, and NY.  Or Canuckistan.


I don't think it is technically illegal anywhere in the states, but they put so many restrictions and harassment in so many states, that the producers probably want to stay clear of it.  One of your talents is an immigrant who overstays a visa, and you could get slapped with trafficking, which happened to a strip club near here in Florida recently.
 
2017-08-29 12:27:30 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Probably the number of people watching.
 
2017-08-29 12:27:46 PM  

ambientlush: Depends on the type of money shot


What a Depends money shoot may look like

img.fark.net
 
2017-08-29 12:29:23 PM  
Somebody needs to tell Donny John about this.   MAybe he can get a pardon like that sherriff.
 
2017-08-29 12:30:01 PM  
Because little old grey-haired ladies believe "sex is durr-dee" and makes their invisible imaginary sky-wizard upset and they are a key voting demographic.
 
2017-08-29 12:30:36 PM  

Super Chronic: El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?

Some say there's not much difference at all. But legally, I think the big difference is that a legit porn shoot involves paying all parties to the sex act and making money via distribution, whereas this business was taking money from a participant.


Technically HE was just running a studio renting space (and this is likely where he farked up) "actresses" to aspiring porn producers who were then free to market and distribute as they say fit.   What messed him up, in my opinion, is that the cameras were only on  for a few minutes and he was providing the girls.   If he had a Website to up the clips up on later that paid the participants based on views (a distribution channel-even if none of the Johns actually used it, as seems likely)   and he went all Uber and declared the girls "independent contractors" for whom he just took a a "management fee" or similar,   he might actually have gotten away with this...Assuming he had the money to take this through a few rounds of appeals
 
2017-08-29 12:31:36 PM  

Super Chronic: Rent Party: Serious question.  Where is the line between "paying a prostitute" and "making pornography?"   In both cases she gets paid.   The only difference seems to be the presence of the camera.

For the record, I have no problems at all with either prostitutes or porn.   I'm just ... uh...  asking for a friend.

In one case he and she both get paid. (Or she and she, or he and she and she, or whatever.)

In the other case, she gets paid, but he pays.


If I'm the producer and pay myself, does that count?
 
2017-08-29 12:33:15 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Probably a permit
 
2017-08-29 12:33:31 PM  
RyansPrivates:

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."

That makes sense.

I'm starting a gofundme for "Three Minutes of Disappointment XLVVVLIII."

Give me a few minutes, and I'll have a script completed.
 
2017-08-29 12:34:14 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Fluffers.
 
2017-08-29 12:34:20 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Even if a porn shoot is legit, you are paying people to have sex.  How do porn producers avoid prostitution charges?
 
2017-08-29 12:35:10 PM  

probesport: ambientlush: Depends on the type of money shot

What a Depends money shoot may look like

[img.fark.net image 610x755]


This seems like an extremely specific picture to just have on hand.

Or in hand.

Whatever. You do you.
 
2017-08-29 12:36:57 PM  

winedrinkingman: The whole "we were making porn" probably goes out the window if one of your actors is being paid, and the other one is paying.  The defense might work for the girls, probably not so much for the pimps and the johns, which is okay, because 99 percent of the problems with prostitution are caused by pimps and johns.


You can drop the Johns too. It's pimps that are the problem. If a woman wants to sell her services, she should be free to do so. If she's working for herself, it can't really be blamed on the guy hiring her.
 
2017-08-29 12:37:13 PM  
Two people having sex, both people getting paid = pornography this is okay
Two people having sex, one person getting paid = prostitution very bad indeed
 
2017-08-29 12:37:17 PM  
Maybe he can get a pardon from Trump.
 
2017-08-29 12:38:51 PM  
If you filled out all the paperwork and the federal ID requirement records then you could do it 100% legally. I only have my internet diploma in law, but both people wouldn't have to be paid. Just have a contract saying you get x% of distribution... if it never gets distributed beyond your laptop well who is to judge your shiatty marketing plan. But at that point, shiat that is a lot of work to get laid. You could just go down to a bar and bag some slooot.
 
2017-08-29 12:38:51 PM  

doubled99: It's actually a pretty decent angle.
Maybe we shouldn't waste hundreds of hours of police work on people having consensual sex.


I'm sure the police were quite disappointed once the investigation ended.
 
2017-08-29 12:39:28 PM  
The big "loophole" that I've heard of people trying to use is that you exchange money for someone's company, and then if the person likes you then it is just sex between two consenting adults happening after an unrelated act involving the exchange of money.

Not sure it could hold up in court, but it can be real hard to prove intent and precedent could be set that you're a prostitute because you have sex after someone pays for dinner or gives you cab fare.
 
2017-08-29 12:41:04 PM  
At least its more original than declaring yourself a boat
 
2017-08-29 12:41:22 PM  

RyansPrivates: El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?

Maybe this from TFA: Police say female employees who took customers into rooms would insist on shooting a minutes-long video or taking 10 photos with sexual content before the cameras were discarded and they began to have sex.

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."


Yeah, I really think that's what it hinges on.

There are arguments to be made for the "she gets paid, he pays" part - specifically, he pays because he's paying to rent the studio space, the cameras, and so on.

Honestly, they should have just separated it out into two businesses.  One that manages talent, and a separate one that rents out the studio / equipment.  That way, it adds a veneer of legitimacy to the notion of dudes making porn films for themselves.  It even makes sense to have a partnership between the two businesses - "Our performers are professionals who specialize in working with amateurs, and we've partnered with The Studio Next Door to provide working spaces so we can ensure our performers are in a safe, secure, and protected environment while they work."  It's just making those a unified entity which creates the impression of "Rent a camera, rent a room, rent a lady" that gets one into trouble.

It doesn't even need to be distributed anywhere, as far as I can tell.  If I hired actors and rented equipment and stuff and recorded a porn film that I wanted to keep for my private collection, that doesn't delegitimize it as protected speech.
 
2017-08-29 12:41:28 PM  

Rent Party: RyansPrivates:

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."

That makes sense.

I'm starting a gofundme for "Three Minutes of Disappointment XLVVVLIII."

Give me a few minutes, and I'll have a script completed.


I got you.


Rent Party: Okey dokey so I'm gonna stick this in your uh....verginer. So. Here we go HHHHNNNNGGGGGGGGG and I am spent why do you look pissed


img.fark.net
 
2017-08-29 12:42:49 PM  

6655321: Maybe he can get a pardon from Trump.


Risky post.  Only one letter away from a catastrophic typo.
 
2017-08-29 12:43:03 PM  

megarian: Rent Party: RyansPrivates:

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."

That makes sense.

I'm starting a gofundme for "Three Minutes of Disappointment XLVVVLIII."

Give me a few minutes, and I'll have a script completed.

I got you.


Rent Party: Okey dokey so I'm gonna stick this in your uh....verginer. So. Here we go HHHHNNNNGGGGGGGGG and I am spent why do you look pissed


[img.fark.net image 400x300]


Ooh French. How classy!
 
2017-08-29 12:43:59 PM  

El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?


Taxes collected
 
2017-08-29 12:44:08 PM  
Porn production have actual scripts? I thought the guy just delivered the pizza and the cameras shot the entire thing.
 
2017-08-29 12:45:11 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: winedrinkingman: The whole "we were making porn" probably goes out the window if one of your actors is being paid, and the other one is paying.  The defense might work for the girls, probably not so much for the pimps and the johns, which is okay, because 99 percent of the problems with prostitution are caused by pimps and johns.

You can drop the Johns too. It's pimps that are the problem. If a woman wants to sell her services, she should be free to do so. If she's working for herself, it can't really be blamed on the guy hiring her.


The trouble is if you get rid of the pimps, then the Johns can take advantage of the workers. Johns make sure the girls get paid and aren't beaten.
 
2017-08-29 12:45:17 PM  

RyansPrivates: El Pachuco: Well, it *does* raise the question, what's the difference between this and a legit porn shoot?

Maybe this from TFA: Police say female employees who took customers into rooms would insist on shooting a minutes-long video or taking 10 photos with sexual content before the cameras were discarded and they began to have sex.

If they would have kept the camera's rolling, had a script, and released the film in some way, he would have had a better case.  As it stands it was "let's take some dirty pictures first, we'll kill the cameras and get started on what you really came here for."


They should have pre-made scripts in the room, and read them before sex.

The Hump Before Christmas
Ass-Pirates of the Caribbean
Edward Penis-Hands
Sex-Men: Coming to a Future Past
 
2017-08-29 12:45:33 PM  
Not a lawyer....but if compensation for sex makes it prostitution, then how are half of all people not getting locked up for a guy buying a gal dinner, smashing her off, and then they never see each other again. And before anyone starts in, I am not suggesting that normal courtship is whoring. I just think two people farking each other shouldn't be illegal if it was consensual and if they were of legal age.

One could get into why pimping should be illegal but that is a discussion for another time
 
2017-08-29 12:46:53 PM  

mr_larry: Porn production have actual scripts? I thought the guy just delivered the pizza and the cameras shot the entire thing.


They only offer that service if your order is double extra meat-lover's.
 
2017-08-29 12:47:12 PM  
Trippy

ktvk.images.worldnow.com
 
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