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2017-08-29 04:07:25 AM  
All his coworkers ratted him out.
Jajajaja
That's Spanish for hahaha in case you're a trump supporter.
 
2017-08-29 04:55:18 AM  
He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies
 
2017-08-29 05:03:10 AM  

dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies


Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.
 
2017-08-29 05:03:24 AM  
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2017-08-29 05:04:46 AM  
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2017-08-29 05:05:06 AM  

imauniter: All his coworkers ratted him out.
Jajajaja
That's Spanish for hahaha in case you're a trump supporter.


Something tells me he may have pronounced that in the German fashion.
 
2017-08-29 05:05:32 AM  
If you talk to a Crossfit Nazi which one do you find out about first?
 
2017-08-29 05:05:35 AM  

dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.



If he was in change would he have done the same?  I'm pretty sure wanting to march them off to a concentration camp to gas them warrants his coworkers and beoss being slightly miffed.
 
2017-08-29 05:06:26 AM  

dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies


If he works for you, that's your call.
If not - not.
 
2017-08-29 05:08:38 AM  
And he was wearing a gas mask?  HOW GAUCHE.

/sorry
 
2017-08-29 05:09:23 AM  
Fark 'em.  Free speech means you get to say what you want, within reasonable constraints, without government interference.  It does not prevent your employer from wanting to fire you to distance their brand and intellectual property with the shiatstain you spread with your vile behavior.

Part of being an adult is learning what responsibility means.  He was responsible for his own firing.
 
2017-08-29 05:12:33 AM  

Summoner101: If you talk to a Crossfit Nazi which one do you find out about first?


If they're vegan as well, I'd be concerned as to whether their linguistic center can actually handle a three-way deadlock.
 
2017-08-29 05:13:25 AM  

dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies


You can't be a free speech purist and not also allow his employer to fire him based on reputational impact to the business.

I also think there's something really weird about free speech purism. It doesn't get people killed at the level second amendment purism does but its equally weird.

There's no reason for Nazi symbols to be protected speech. They are a literal, direct and unequivocal incitement to murder. It's not like Germany has descended into a hellhole as a result of banning them for precisely that reason.
 
2017-08-29 05:16:56 AM  
Probably wanted to fire him for a while, now just found something to pin him on.
 
2017-08-29 05:20:05 AM  

Summoner101: If you talk to a Crossfit Nazi which one do you find out about first?


Their veganism.

I am glad people are getting fired for being nazis. Free speech only protects you from the government, a private business can do what they like within the bounds of employment law. If employing nazis will affect their profit, which it will, then they can fire nazis.

Nazi is not a protected class of people. IMO the less protected the better.
 
2017-08-29 05:29:32 AM  

Tigger: free speech purism. It doesn't get people killed


Tigger: and unequivocal incitement to murder.


ok.
 
2017-08-29 05:30:25 AM  
also lol at the dumbass nazi who covered his face and was to stupid to cover his tattoo.
 
2017-08-29 05:30:40 AM  
Meanwhile elsewhere, man who said he was stabbed for looknng like a nazi may have beeb stabbed by a nazi.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-stabbing-fak​e​-colorado-joshua-witt
 
2017-08-29 05:35:28 AM  
At least this one actually has a chin.  Maybe I'm crazy, but a worthy enemy is something we've needed for too long.  It's become far too easy to laugh off all the fat blob racists we see every day.  Some athletic bad guys might compel more good guys to hit the gym as well.
 
2017-08-29 05:35:50 AM  

log_jammin: Tigger: free speech purism. It doesn't get people killed

Tigger: and unequivocal incitement to murder.

ok.


Yes obviously it doesn't make sense if you cut off the qualifying part of the sentence beginning "at the level of...."
 
2017-08-29 05:42:24 AM  

bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.


Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.
 
2017-08-29 05:44:47 AM  

Tigger: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

You can't be a free speech purist and not also allow his employer to fire him based on reputational impact to the business.

I also think there's something really weird about free speech purism. It doesn't get people killed at the level second amendment purism does but its equally weird.

There's no reason for Nazi symbols to be protected speech. They are a literal, direct and unequivocal incitement to murder. It's not like Germany has descended into a hellhole as a result of banning them for precisely that reason.


If one's particular brand of hate speech isn't protected by law, then one can fark off. Expecting an employer to keep that person on, out of some misplaced free speech purism, is holding the employer to a far higher standard than you're holding the nazi. Fark that.
 
2017-08-29 05:45:29 AM  

dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.


Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.
 
2017-08-29 05:45:46 AM  

lol_conservatards: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.


If he was in change would he have done the same?  I'm pretty sure wanting to march them off to a concentration camp to gas them warrants his coworkers and beoss being slightly miffed.


So your argument is he would have done worse so we are justified in being bad? It is easy to be pro free speech when you agree with it. It is much harder when you disagree. I am not by any means a fan of him but I respect his right to be an asshole. This is the reverse of everyone getting mad about bakers not making cakes for gay couples. Their personal views should not affect the business.
 
2017-08-29 05:48:33 AM  

Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.


I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.
 
2017-08-29 05:51:11 AM  
"There's no reason for Nazi symbols to be protected speech. They are a literal, direct and unequivocal incitement to murder. It's not like Germany has descended into a hellhole as a result of banning them for precisely that reason."

That may be true, but where is the line drawn and more importantly, who does the drawing?

Do you want the Trump administration drawing it?  They are in charge at the moment. How about someone like Maduro?
 
2017-08-29 05:52:08 AM  

dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.


You're not 'doing better' and you're not 'being the ethical one'. Quit patting yourself on the bat. You're being a naive free speech purist.

There's a negative freedom and a positive freedom aspect to this. There is his freedom to speak as he likes, and there is the employer's freedom to fire people who do not fit the culture of his company.

Your free speech purism has put you in a situation where you believe the rights of a Nazi to incite death are more important than the rights of a business owner to choose the type of person he employs. Which is patently ridiculous.

Almost all rights involve balancing positive and negative freedoms, in this case you've got the balance horribly wrong.
 
2017-08-29 05:52:17 AM  

dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.


wtf? Our cultures not sufficiently saturated with 'don't be a nazi' messages? Did you not see that asshole at Charlottesville, giving a heil hitler salute, wearing a ball cap of a regiment WHO FOUGHT THE NAZIS ON D DAY AT NORMANDY.

You think if we were all just a bit nicer these people wouldnt exist?! Please.
 
2017-08-29 05:52:37 AM  
What? Another Nazi coming out of WSU? No! Surely not.

/Don't call me Shirley.
 
2017-08-29 05:53:52 AM  

dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.


The government played no part in this. Free speech lives on.
 
2017-08-29 05:55:58 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: "There's no reason for Nazi symbols to be protected speech. They are a literal, direct and unequivocal incitement to murder. It's not like Germany has descended into a hellhole as a result of banning them for precisely that reason."

That may be true, but where is the line drawn and more importantly, who does the drawing?

Do you want the Trump administration drawing it?  They are in charge at the moment. How about someone like Maduro?


Well I would put the line at incitement to murder.

But the answer to the question who does the drawing of the line as to where a constitutional right can be abridged is the Supreme Court. It's why Spitz vs Michigan was decided the way it was, it's why there is a concept called 'compelling state's interest' and scrutiny and why all constitutional rights are abridged to some degree.
 
2017-08-29 06:03:29 AM  
Surprised the thread has gone so far without this being posted:

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2017-08-29 06:06:56 AM  

Lady J: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

wtf? Our cultures not sufficiently saturated with 'don't be a nazi' messages? Did you not see that asshole at Charlottesville, giving a heil hitler salute, wearing a ball cap of a regiment WHO FOUGHT THE NAZIS ON D DAY AT NORMANDY.

You think if we were all just a bit nicer these people wouldnt exist?! Please.


No they will exist but I hope they will exist in their little corner and be ignored. You fire him and then they have some argument Bout persecution that makes no sense to the rest of use but continues their agenda in the alt right media.
 
2017-08-29 06:08:16 AM  

dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.


"Your philosophy and actions are anathema to my company." is also speech.

Looks like they had a discussion and Mr. Ritter would rather be a Nazi than employed.

I'm as big a free speech advocate as they come, but saying that there shouldn't be non- governnmental consequences is nonsensical. That is requiring one person to self censor speech in favor of speech of another.
 
2017-08-29 06:10:47 AM  

dambis: Lady J: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

wtf? Our cultures not sufficiently saturated with 'don't be a nazi' messages? Did you not see that asshole at Charlottesville, giving a heil hitler salute, wearing a ball cap of a regiment WHO FOUGHT THE NAZIS ON D DAY AT NORMANDY.

You think if we were all just a bit nicer these people wouldnt exist?! Please.

No they will exist but I hope they will exist in their little corner and be ignored. You fire him and then they have some argument Bout persecution that makes no sense to the rest of us but continues their agenda in the alt right media.


They. Have. That. Now.
 
2017-08-29 06:12:07 AM  

Tigger: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

You're not 'doing better' and you're not 'being the ethical one'. Quit patting yourself on the bat. You're being a naive free speech purist.

There's a negative freedom and a positive freedom aspect to this. There is his freedom to speak as he likes, and there is the employer's freedom to fire people who do not fit the culture of his company.

Your free speech purism has put you in a situation where you believe the rights of a Nazi to incite death are more important than the rights of a business owner to choose the type of person he employs. Which is patently ridiculous.

Almost all rights involve balancing positive and negative freedoms, in this case you've got the balance horribly wrong.


I am not patting myself on the "bat" (I assume back) as you say. I am a free speech purist because the only thing we can do is be better. If he were pro gay rights and he got fired from a bakery because of it you would be up in arms. My first racist experience happened to me when I was 7 and I dress in business casual all the time even on my days off to avoid mishaps with cops being a 6'2" black man isn't easy in this world that being said as long as people keep their personal beliefs personal and don't bring them to work and don't use violence to force their views upon others they should be left alone.
 
2017-08-29 06:12:30 AM  

swamp_of_dumb: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

"Your philosophy and actions are anathema to my company." is also speech.

Looks like they had a discussion and Mr. Ritter would rather be a Nazi than employed.

I'm as big a free speech advocate as they come, but saying that there shouldn't be non- governnmental consequences is nonsensical. That is requiring one person to self censor speech in favor of speech of another.


People seem so concerned about the Nazi's feelings. What about the feelings of the BME folks that they're suggesting should be relocated, or worse?
 
2017-08-29 06:13:40 AM  
Crossfit trainers can make a liveable wage?
 
2017-08-29 06:13:57 AM  

dambis: Lady J: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

wtf? Our cultures not sufficiently saturated with 'don't be a nazi' messages? Did you not see that asshole at Charlottesville, giving a heil hitler salute, wearing a ball cap of a regiment WHO FOUGHT THE NAZIS ON D DAY AT NORMANDY.

You think if we were all just a bit nicer these people wouldnt exist?! Please.

No they will exist but I hope they will exist in their little corner and be ignored. You fire him and then they have some argument Bout persecution that makes no sense to the rest of use but continues their agenda in the alt right media.


People being mean to Nazis isn't what caused the resurgence in American Nazism. It wasn't a fast process at all. They've had the GOP, for DECADES, steadily making their views more and more "acceptable", telling them that it's OK to hate, pushing the Overton Window farther and farther right.

When a black man became President, the GOP's outreach to Nazis really kicked into overdrive, culminating in the election of Donald Trump.

Nazis feel safe in America now. They feel like it's OK to be out in the open, because the President of the United States and most of his political party has their back.

That needs to change. Nazis need to be afraid to be Nazis, to be chased back into their holes, to be shown that they are not tolerated in a civilized society. Ensuring that Nazis can't get/hold a job if they're openly Nazis is a good way to do so; most of the other ways involve violence.
 
2017-08-29 06:17:14 AM  

dambis: am not patting myself on the "bat" (I assume back) as you say. I am a free speech purist because the only thing we can do is be better. If he were pro gay rights and he got fired from a bakery because of it you would be up in arms. My first racist experience happened to me when I was 7 and I dress in business casual all the time even on my days off to avoid mishaps with cops being a 6'2" black man isn't easy in this world that being said as long as people keep their personal beliefs personal and don't bring them to work and don't use violence to force their views upon others they should be left alone.


Being gay is not even remotely analogous to being a farking Nazi. People don't choose to be gay, just for starters, but nobody is born a Nazi.
 
2017-08-29 06:20:42 AM  

jso2897: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

If he works for you, that's your call.
If not - not.


It's simple, really. After his boss out how could he decide to keep him when considering this scenario: if a jew, african american, hispanic or anyone else non white comes in looking for a cross fit trainer, he's not going to say, "Hmm, well we can't set you up with Nazi Bob because he's a Nazi and that would be awkward, may affect the integrity of your training and he may have you do exercises that will injure your body. I mean, it IS cross fit after all, but I mean more than usual. It Just wouldn't be worth it. So, let's see if Nice Guy Bill or Globalist Steve are available...they're great guys and definitely not Nazis...hmm. Damn, sorry. Nothing, they're all booked up. Nazi Bob has a bunch of openings, but like I said: no can do. So I'll give you the number of one of my competitors. Good luck, take care!"

Aaaaaaaand we're done.
 
2017-08-29 06:21:50 AM  

Lady J: swamp_of_dumb: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

"Your philosophy and actions are anathema to my company." is also speech.

Looks like they had a discussion and Mr. Ritter would rather be a Nazi than employed.

I'm as big a free speech advocate as they come, but saying that there shouldn't be non- governnmental consequences is nonsensical. That is requiring one person to self censor speech in favor of speech of another.

People seem so concerned about the Nazi's feelings. What about the feelings of the BME folks that they're suggesting should be relocated, or worse?


I am not sure what the best folks are (I don't do well with acronyms) to I am just differentiating between speech and action.
 
2017-08-29 06:21:52 AM  

LordJiro: dambis: am not patting myself on the "bat" (I assume back) as you say. I am a free speech purist because the only thing we can do is be better. If he were pro gay rights and he got fired from a bakery because of it you would be up in arms. My first racist experience happened to me when I was 7 and I dress in business casual all the time even on my days off to avoid mishaps with cops being a 6'2" black man isn't easy in this world that being said as long as people keep their personal beliefs personal and don't bring them to work and don't use violence to force their views upon others they should be left alone.

Being gay is not even remotely analogous to being a farking Nazi. People don't choose to be gay, just for starters, but nobody is born a Nazi.


Quite. If a person is gay, it has nothing to with anyone else, and doesnt affect anyone else. Whereas a Nazi's ethos is abolutely about affecting other [innocent] people's lives, and negatively at that.
 
2017-08-29 06:22:18 AM  
Mr. Ritter has a right to express his views, but the business has a right to express their views, by not associating with a known white supremacist.
 
2017-08-29 06:24:07 AM  

dambis: Lady J: swamp_of_dumb: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

"Your philosophy and actions are anathema to my company." is also speech.

Looks like they had a discussion and Mr. Ritter would rather be a Nazi than employed.

I'm as big a free speech advocate as they come, but saying that there shouldn't be non- governnmental consequences is nonsensical. That is requiring one person to self censor speech in favor of speech of another.

People seem so concerned about the Nazi's feelings. What about the feelings of the BME folks that they're suggesting should be relocated, or worse?

I am not sure what the best folks are (I don't do well with acronyms) to I am just differentiating between speech and action.


BME = black and minority ethnic. Sorry, British term.
 
2017-08-29 06:24:27 AM  

LordJiro: dambis: Lady J: dambis: Tigger: dambis: bongon247: dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies

Except when his beliefs, coupled with his actions, affect my bottom line.
fark him. and his beliefs. He doesn't work here anymore.

Did his personal activity affect the bottom line? If so drop him like a hot potato if not the argument has no merit.

Business owner doesn't have to prove it affected the bottom line. Just has to believe that it will negatively impact the direction he wants to take the company.

I am not saying they had to prove it. I am saying that the concept of free speech is powerful and should be protected and we need to learn to agree to disagree. I know I am in the minority in this stance. And personally I hate his views but someone needs to be the ethical one and do better rather than sink to his level. You teach by example not by playing their game.

wtf? Our cultures not sufficiently saturated with 'don't be a nazi' messages? Did you not see that asshole at Charlottesville, giving a heil hitler salute, wearing a ball cap of a regiment WHO FOUGHT THE NAZIS ON D DAY AT NORMANDY.

You think if we were all just a bit nicer these people wouldnt exist?! Please.

No they will exist but I hope they will exist in their little corner and be ignored. You fire him and then they have some argument Bout persecution that makes no sense to the rest of use but continues their agenda in the alt right media.

People being mean to Nazis isn't what caused the resurgence in American Nazism. It wasn't a fast process at all. They've had the GOP, for DECADES, steadily making their views more and more "acceptable", telling them that it's OK to hate, pushing the Overton Window farther and farther right.

When a black man became President, the GOP's outreach to Nazis really kicked into overdrive, culminating in the election of Donald Trump.

Nazis feel safe in America now. They feel like it's OK to be out in the open, because the President of the United States and most of his political party has their back.

That needs to change. Nazis need to be afraid to be Nazis, to be chased back into their holes, to be shown that they are not tolerated in a civilized society. Ensuring that Nazis can't get/hold a job if they're openly Nazis is a good way to do so; most of the other ways involve violence.


I wholely agree that the tacit approval of the gop led to the resurgence. I think that if people spent more time holding our elected officials accountable we could make meaningful change.
 
2017-08-29 06:25:29 AM  

dambis: He did his job and didn't let his personal beliefs affect it. Let him work and leave him alone.
/Black man saying this
//Anti Trump but pro free speech
/// Always need three slashies


Has he been arrested for what he said/did?  Did he work for the government?  If the answer to both those questions is no, then his free speech has not been impinged at all.

However, there are consequences for actions.  His fellow citizens (including his employer) have determined that they did not like what he did/said and have cut ties with him - as is their right.  His free speech still has NOT been impinged.
 
2017-08-29 06:28:25 AM  

Lady J: LordJiro: dambis: am not patting myself on the "bat" (I assume back) as you say. I am a free speech purist because the only thing we can do is be better. If he were pro gay rights and he got fired from a bakery because of it you would be up in arms. My first racist experience happened to me when I was 7 and I dress in business casual all the time even on my days off to avoid mishaps with cops being a 6'2" black man isn't easy in this world that being said as long as people keep their personal beliefs personal and don't bring them to work and don't use violence to force their views upon others they should be left alone.

Being gay is not even remotely analogous to being a farking Nazi. People don't choose to be gay, just for starters, but nobody is born a Nazi.

Quite. If a person is gay, it has nothing to with anyone else, and doesnt affect anyone else. Whereas a Nazi's ethos is abolutely about affecting other [innocent] people's lives, and negatively at that.


Some want a town to themselves and inbreed I. Fine with that the rest of us can live a fruitful life.
 
2017-08-29 06:28:26 AM  
If a Nazi rally is held 1,000 miles away, and your co-workers look through the pictures to see if you appear, they are probably sick of your loudmouth Nazi behavior.
 
2017-08-29 06:30:39 AM  
cross fit - angry tantrum
 
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