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(ESPN)   Vontaze "The pre-season is the" Burfict time for some illegal hits: you've got an incoming suspension   ( espn.com) divider line
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2017-08-28 11:55:18 AM  
Not sure how it was an illegal hit if the penalty was not called.
 
2017-08-28 02:28:50 PM  

harleyquinnical: Not sure how it was an illegal hit if the penalty was not called.


The NFL fixes everything in post-production these days.  I'm surprised there's not a betting league devoted to who gets fined every week.
 
2017-08-28 02:32:52 PM  
Well, nobody's Burfict.
 
2017-08-28 03:14:50 PM  
The team that always ruins the Bengals season is the Bengals.
 
2017-08-28 03:15:21 PM  

harleyquinnical: Not sure how it was an illegal hit if the penalty was not called.


Why, it's almost as if the referees don't see everything that happens on the field in real time.
 
2017-08-28 03:17:46 PM  
That might be his least objectionable hit out of all of his suspendable hits/antics in the past.

He's still a piece of sh*t though.
 
2017-08-28 03:28:11 PM  

The_Sponge: Well, Bobody's Nurfict.


It was RIGHT THERE and you let it get away...
 
2017-08-28 03:35:48 PM  
5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.
 
2017-08-28 03:38:20 PM  

NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.


His last suspension was three games.

It isn't the NFL's fault he can't get a clue.
 
2017-08-28 03:44:13 PM  

NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.


Well, the penalties are always harsher for the teams that aren't among "Roger's Friends."

I'm sure no one here can relate.
 
2017-08-28 03:51:48 PM  

SillBinger: NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.

His last suspension was three games.

It isn't the NFL's fault he can't get a clue.


In 13 games last year he drew 2 penalty flags. If the NFL wanted him to change the way he plays the game, he's done that. 

If he takes some guy's head off, by all means, suspend him. There's no way this hit deserves 5 games. Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.
 
2017-08-28 03:53:03 PM  

NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.


The NFL is a joke for thinking they can be an analog to the criminal and civil justice system.  They shouldn't be in the business of suspending players for off the field actions.  They should be in the either "It wasn't that bad and we'll take the P.R. hit for keeping the player employed" or "We don't want to be associated with whatever-it-was that the player did that might scare away viewership (and by proxy: advertising dollars)."

As for the hit by Burfict: how was that suspendable?  A 5yd "illegal contact", sure (since the ball was in the air), but it was well within 5yd "chuck zone" and wasn't to the head or below the waist.

/I say all this as a Steelers fan who hates Burfict, but acknowledges that I'd probably begrudgingly love him if he was on our team.
 
2017-08-28 03:58:00 PM  

NKURyan: Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.


He hit somebody right in the jaw with his helmet and the ball was going 30 yards passed where the hit occurred. The hit was also on somebody who wasn't looking at him.

It should have been unnecessary roughness. Because they missed it doesn't mean it isn't dirty.

"unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (i) is out of the play or (ii) should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead; or throwing the runner to the ground after the ball is dead"

"If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/"hairline" parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. "

"if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a player (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown"

Pick one.
 
2017-08-28 04:02:26 PM  
Yet when Shazier does the same fookin' thing in a playoff game against our running back, it's a-OK and there's just a quick blurb about it a few days later and a minimal fine.

And before it's denied, Shazier is a repeat offender but he's on the Steelers, so they get a break.
 
2017-08-28 04:04:07 PM  
He was an asshole at ASU and he's still an asshole now.  No surprise there.
 
2017-08-28 04:18:24 PM  

MugzyBrown: NKURyan: Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.

. Because they missed it doesn't mean it isn't dirty.


You're not going to convince me that the officials aren't watching Vontaze on every single play given his reputation. They didn't miss anything, they just didn't think it was a penalty.

Again, he drew two penalty flags last season in 13 games. I'd say that's a marked improvement and that he's toned back his game like the NFL wanted him to after the 3 game suspension. Good to know none of that matters.
 
2017-08-28 04:20:48 PM  
Can anyone explain to me or tell me what the fark a "Vontaze" is?
 
2017-08-28 04:29:08 PM  
The man is an assassin.  He lurks in the wings waiting for someone to turn their head and then he takes them out, football nearby or not.
 
2017-08-28 04:37:50 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Yet when Shazier does the same fookin' thing in a playoff game against our running back, it's a-OK and there's just a quick blurb about it a few days later and a minimal fine.

And before it's denied, Shazier is a repeat offender but he's on the Steelers, so they get a break.


Not to discount your opinion, but Shazier hit a guy who was in the play (actively making the catch and turning upfield), as opposed to Burfict, who hit someone that was decidedly not in the play (though within the chuck zone).

Personally, I don't see either as a finable nor suspendable action nor even a penalty.  At the very worst, Burfict could've gotten an illegal contact (for hitting an eligible receiver while the ball was in the air), but even that is rarely called in the chuck zone unless the ball is thrown to that receiver.

Burfict got screwed solely on reputation and that sucks.  I'm sure James Harrison will send him a condolences card along with some tips on how to avoid future calls like that.
 
2017-08-28 04:46:22 PM  

abmoraz: HST's Dead Carcass: Yet when Shazier does the same fookin' thing in a playoff game against our running back, it's a-OK and there's just a quick blurb about it a few days later and a minimal fine.

And before it's denied, Shazier is a repeat offender but he's on the Steelers, so they get a break.

Not to discount your opinion, but Shazier hit a guy who was in the play (actively making the catch and turning upfield), as opposed to Burfict, who hit someone that was decidedly not in the play (though within the chuck zone).

Personally, I don't see either as a finable nor suspendable action nor even a penalty.  At the very worst, Burfict could've gotten an illegal contact (for hitting an eligible receiver while the ball was in the air), but even that is rarely called in the chuck zone unless the ball is thrown to that receiver.

Burfict got screwed solely on reputation and that sucks.  I'm sure James Harrison will send him a condolences card along with some tips on how to avoid future calls like that.


1) Be marketable.
2) Don't be unmarketable.
 
2017-08-28 05:06:15 PM  

Klivian: The_Sponge: Well, Bobody's Nurfict.

It was RIGHT THERE and you let it get away...


Ha!  Good call.

/And a smart vote for you.
 
2017-08-28 05:33:02 PM  
The Bengals are aware of the NFL's letter to Vontaze regarding a play in last weekend's game. The film shows that the hit was legal, that Vontaze engaged his opponent from the front, and that contact was shoulder-to-chest. The Club will support Vontaze in the appeal process.

Looks like another team looking to challenge Roger's authority.
 
2017-08-28 06:39:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The NFL fixes everything in post-production these days.  I'm surprised there's not a betting league devoted to who gets fined every week.


We might have to start having a thread on Wednesday to discuss the fines/suspensions, or have to tack it onto the Power Ratings discussion.

Also of import:

If the suspension holds, Burfict would miss games against the Baltimore RavensHouston TexansGreen Bay PackersCleveland Browns and Buffalo Bills.

Yeah, I don't think the league would have Burfcit sit out a meeting with the Steelers.  Unfinished business and all that.
 
2017-08-28 07:26:22 PM  

NKURyan: SillBinger: NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.

His last suspension was three games.

It isn't the NFL's fault he can't get a clue.

In 13 games last year he drew 2 penalty flags. If the NFL wanted him to change the way he plays the game, he's done that. 

If he takes some guy's head off, by all means, suspend him. There's no way this hit deserves 5 games. Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.


Meanwhile, A Patriot does the same hit and gets awarded a title.
 
2017-08-28 09:54:03 PM  

harleyquinnical: NKURyan: SillBinger: NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.

His last suspension was three games.

It isn't the NFL's fault he can't get a clue.

In 13 games last year he drew 2 penalty flags. If the NFL wanted him to change the way he plays the game, he's done that. 

If he takes some guy's head off, by all means, suspend him. There's no way this hit deserves 5 games. Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.

Meanwhile, A Patriot does the same hit and gets awarded a title.


Would love to see Burfict hit Brady.  Of course, the entire Bengals squad would be suspended for the rest of the year.
 
2017-08-28 10:10:09 PM  
rjakobi:

Yeah, I don't think the league would have Burfcit sit out a meeting with the Steelers.  Unfinished business and all that.

They did last year. He didn't play @Pittsburgh. On the other hand, the one personal foul penalty on Burfict all of last year came against the Steelers (in Cincy).

I just don't get it. I mean even within the same franchise, Adam Jones gets arrested and is recorded wishing death upon his arresting officer from the back of a cop car and he gets a one game suspension, while Burfict gets 5 games for a play that can at best be described as "maybe dirty but probably legal". Hell, Burfict could've walked off the field and punched his girlfriend and got virtually the same suspension. WTF NFL?

I have zero faith that the NFL is actually going to reduce the suspension, btw.
 
2017-08-28 10:26:02 PM  

Goimir: harleyquinnical: NKURyan: SillBinger: NKURyan: 5 games? For that? With no flag? The NFL is really going to act like that's almost as bad as punching a woman off the field (which gets you 6)? Really?

NFL's a joke.

His last suspension was three games.

It isn't the NFL's fault he can't get a clue.

In 13 games last year he drew 2 penalty flags. If the NFL wanted him to change the way he plays the game, he's done that. 

If he takes some guy's head off, by all means, suspend him. There's no way this hit deserves 5 games. Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.

Meanwhile, A Patriot does the same hit and gets awarded a title.

Would love to see Burfict hit Brady.  Of course, the entire Bengals squad would be suspended for the rest of the year.


I see no downside to any aspect of your proposal here.
 
2017-08-28 10:31:30 PM  
 
2017-08-28 11:25:21 PM  

NKURyan: MugzyBrown: NKURyan: Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.

. Because they missed it doesn't mean it isn't dirty.

You're not going to convince me that the officials aren't watching Vontaze on every single play given his reputation. They didn't miss anything, they just didn't think it was a penalty.

Again, he drew two penalty flags last season in 13 games. I'd say that's a marked improvement and that he's toned back his game like the NFL wanted him to after the 3 game suspension. Good to know none of that matters.


How did he get that reputation? He well and truly earned it. Of course they're going to watch him more closely, he's a known goon.

Only he can change things.
 
2017-08-29 02:36:23 AM  
Yeah... not worth a suspension, sorry. Not even for him.
 
2017-08-29 09:31:33 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: NKURyan: MugzyBrown: NKURyan: Unflagged, within 5 yards of the LOS, shoulder-to-shoulder, with the ball coming in that direction... come on.

. Because they missed it doesn't mean it isn't dirty.

You're not going to convince me that the officials aren't watching Vontaze on every single play given his reputation. They didn't miss anything, they just didn't think it was a penalty.

Again, he drew two penalty flags last season in 13 games. I'd say that's a marked improvement and that he's toned back his game like the NFL wanted him to after the 3 game suspension. Good to know none of that matters.

How did he get that reputation? He well and truly earned it. Of course they're going to watch him more closely, he's a known goon.

Only he can change things.


But evidently he can't, not really. If he played 13 games last season and only drew 2 penalties, you could say that he *has* changed his game. Doesn't particularly matter, though, if the NFL is going to throw a 5 game suspension at him for this.

Suspend him for a game or two, fine, whatever, I'd disagree with it but I could at least understand it. But 5? Come on.
 
2017-08-29 12:05:26 PM  
He just can't help himself. He has to try to hurt someone if he sees a chance. He should not be allowed to play at all.
 
2017-08-29 01:33:06 PM  
Unbelievable. It was a perrfectly legitimate hit. At worst a one game suspension for hitting near the head.
 
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