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(Slate)   That Arpaio pardon? Yeah, it's an impeachable offense   ( slate.com) divider line
    More: Followup, impeachable offenses, verifiable impeachable offense, United States Constitution, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, professor Martin Redish, considered judgment, New York Times, constitutionally sound basis  
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2017-08-27 08:38:16 AM  
Trump can't get it through that rat maze on his head that he isn't a King.

In his pea brain he is King Of The United States.
 
2017-08-27 08:41:50 AM  
Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2017-08-27 08:43:22 AM  
Not POTUS, KOTUS. He's the Happy Gilmore of American Presidents with none of the humor and twice the anger.

Hopefully Kelly can play the good-looking PR chick with supple breasts who brings him under control.

Ok I'm going to go throw up now.
 
2017-08-27 08:50:22 AM  
Yeah, I'm sure the Republicans in the House are going to get right on that...
 
2017-08-27 08:50:34 AM  
However, by pardoning former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Friday, Trump committed his first verifiable impeachable offense.

Not his first and will be ignored just like the emoluments clause.
 
2017-08-27 08:51:47 AM  
An impeachable offense is exactly what Congress decides it is. No more, no less. As it stands right now, there are no undeniably impeachable offenses.
 
2017-08-27 09:02:19 AM  
You can't impeach an emperor, dumbass.
 
2017-08-27 09:03:39 AM  
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2017-08-27 09:07:57 AM  
Trump's has been shiatting on the Constitution from day 1. The problem is that the House Republicans just don't care. Your best bet is to remind them in 2018 by voting Democrat.
 
2017-08-27 09:14:55 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Trump's has been shiatting on the Constitution from day 1. The problem is that the House Republicans just don't care. Your best bet is to remind them in 2018 by voting Democrat.


Depends on whether I'm inspired or not. No promises....
 
2017-08-27 09:26:04 AM  
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No, it's not.
 
2017-08-27 09:50:01 AM  
I think the larger significance is signaling to Mueller what Trump has likely done already and how he might handle any forthcoming indictments.
 
2017-08-27 10:02:19 AM  
Yes, Congress will get right on that... after they repeal Obamacare.
 
2017-08-27 10:04:30 AM  
Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.
 
2017-08-27 10:17:35 AM  

SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.


Even when Trump actively campaigns against one of their own (Jeff Flake) and promises $10 Million of his own money to defeat a sitting congress critter, the Republican Party still lacks the testicular fortitude to act.
 
2017-08-27 10:23:22 AM  

Notabunny: Even when Trump actively campaigns against one of their own (Jeff Flake) and promises $10 Million of his own money to defeat a sitting congress critter, the Republican Party still lacks the testicular fortitude to act.


I thought that was what the feud with Yertle was about, with Yertle fighting back.  And there's the fact that Trump promising anyone money from his own stash - I won't believe it until I see it.  He promises a lot of things, but delivers on few.
 
2017-08-27 10:38:13 AM  

SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.


Even if legal, they could consider it within a pattern of obstruction and an attack on people's civil rights.
 
2017-08-27 10:44:06 AM  

mrshowrules: Even if legal, they could consider it within a pattern of obstruction and an attack on people's civil rights.


Yeah, that still doesn't mean Congress will actually DO anything about it.  There's the emoluments clause that Trump has shiat all over.  Obstruction of justice with Comey.  The constant lies.

There are any number of things Congress could choose from to boot Trump from office.
 
2017-08-27 10:50:38 AM  

EvilEgg: An impeachable offense is exactly what Congress decides it is. No more, no less. As it stands right now, there are no undeniably impeachable offenses.


That's pretty much what I came here to say. If Trump did, per his campaign boast, shoot someone on Fifth Avenue, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell would issue statements about how his behavior is "concerning" and "unpresidential."
 
2017-08-27 10:50:44 AM  

Norad: Not POTUS, KOTUS. He's the Happy Gilmore of American Presidents with none of the humor and twice the anger.

Hopefully Kelly can play the good-looking PR chick with supple breasts who brings him under control.

Ok I'm going to go throw up now.


I prefer Julie Bowen.
 
2017-08-27 10:52:49 AM  
Difficulty: this thing must acquire balls, spine, and integrity:

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Or, this thing must acquire balls and spine within 14 months:
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2017-08-27 10:55:07 AM  

Norad: Trump can't get it through that rat maze on his head that he isn't a King.

In his pea brain he is King Of The United States.


King Bigly of Bigbigistan, Lord of Twitter, Master of the Trolls, His Royal Scoopness, Grabber Extraordinary of the Pussy of the Realm, Builder of That Wall, Serene Driver of the King Cab, Toot Toot!
 
2017-08-27 10:55:56 AM  
Nothing Trump has done is impeachable.  Now if he had sex and lied about it, and was Democrat at the same time, THAT would be impeachable.

/Conservative logic
 
2017-08-27 10:56:15 AM  
Wish in one hand and shiat in the other see what fills up first. Now if they saw Obama jaywalking they would probably have him brought to the chamber floor in chains.
 
2017-08-27 10:58:33 AM  
Even professor Redish admits that this is a novel theory, and with respect, it simply won't fly. Any time a president pardons someone for a criminal offense, he voids the considered judgment of some court and deprives the defendant's victim of redress. The Constitution provides no carve-outs for cases where the underlying crime is a deprivation of civil liberties or a contemptuous defiance of a judicial order.

Local slate author writes an empassioned defense of what he believes impeachable offenses are.
Forgets the only people who's opinion on the topic that matter are 218 Congressmen.
 
2017-08-27 10:59:21 AM  
Just remember:

Trump pardoning a guy for a politically-motivated prosecution and conviction on a misdemeanor charget is The Worst Thing Ever, but Obama pardoning an actual terrorist who murdered people (and who wasn't repentant at all) and a traitor (who wasn't repentant at all, either), was perfectly fine.
 
2017-08-27 11:00:10 AM  

SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.


I think his idiot followers and most of the GOP will see this as being part of "law and order" instead of the middle finger to the le that it actually is. They just see Arpaio as "enforcing immigration laws" and not "racial profiling an entire demographic." There is no leadership in the GOP willing to disabuse them of this notion.
 
2017-08-27 11:00:16 AM  

SpaceyCat: mrshowrules: Even if legal, they could consider it within a pattern of obstruction and an attack on people's civil rights.

Yeah, that still doesn't mean Congress will actually DO anything about it.  There's the emoluments clause that Trump has shiat all over.  Obstruction of justice with Comey.  The constant lies.

There are any number of things Congress could choose from to boot Trump from office.


Agreed.  However, the Congress can consider anything they want in terms of informing their decision.  You don't need a bunch of GOP to put country before party.  That will never happen.  You just need a bunch of GOP to put party before Trump and the writing is already on the wall that this will happen.
 
2017-08-27 11:00:30 AM  
Lock him up!
 
2017-08-27 11:01:14 AM  

Norad: Trump can't get it through that rat maze on his head that he isn't a King.

In his pea brain he is King Of The United States.


So in other words he's Garfield Goose

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Where's Frazier Thomas when we need him?
 
2017-08-27 11:01:52 AM  
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2017-08-27 11:01:59 AM  

cirby: Just remember:

Trump pardoning a guy for a politically-motivated prosecution and conviction on a misdemeanor charget is The Worst Thing Ever, but Obama pardoning an actual terrorist who murdered people (and who wasn't repentant at all) and a traitor (who wasn't repentant at all, either), was perfectly fine.


Source on those two?
 
2017-08-27 11:02:55 AM  
No it's not because Republicans as a whole agree with him that anyone of Hispanic descent needs to be wiped off the earth. Everyone who calls themselves a Republican does so because they are a racist. There are no reasonable or rational Republicans.
 
2017-08-27 11:03:10 AM  

SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.


I thought high crimes were those committed while, well,  high
 
2017-08-27 11:05:23 AM  

SpaceyCat: mrshowrules: Even if legal, they could consider it within a pattern of obstruction and an attack on people's civil rights.

Yeah, that still doesn't mean Congress will actually DO anything about it.  There's the emoluments clause that Trump has shiat all over.  Obstruction of justice with Comey.  The constant lies.

There are any number of things Congress could choose from to boot Trump from office.


The only upside is I no longer have to take seriously any Republican's notion of what constitutes an impeachable offense.

Or really any of their notions, really. No more worthless group of people in the world.
 
2017-08-27 11:05:46 AM  

shinji3i: cirby: Just remember:

Trump pardoning a guy for a politically-motivated prosecution and conviction on a misdemeanor charget is The Worst Thing Ever, but Obama pardoning an actual terrorist who murdered people (and who wasn't repentant at all) and a traitor (who wasn't repentant at all, either), was perfectly fine.

Source on those two?


Well, they were the assailants in the bowling green massacre which Obama also covered up so you wouldn't have heard about it
 
2017-08-27 11:06:23 AM  
An impeachable offense is absolutely anything you can convince half the House and 2/3rds of the Senate to agree is one.

So no.  It isn't.  And I despise the bastard.
 
2017-08-27 11:07:33 AM  
I'll probably get a lot of use out of this...
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2017-08-27 11:07:49 AM  
Anyone watching Face the Nation? Trump is going to be pissed
 
2017-08-27 11:07:54 AM  
Redish admits that this is a novel theory, and with respect, it simply won't fly
 
2017-08-27 11:08:50 AM  

Norad: Trump can't get it through that rat maze on his head that he isn't a King.

In his pea pee brain he is King Of The United States.

Fixed that for ewwwwwwwwwwwww.

Notabunny: SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.

Even when Trump actively campaigns against one of their own (Jeff Flake) and promises $10 Million of his own money to defeat a sitting congress critter, the Republican Party still lacks the testicular fortitude to act.


Well, duh, in order to have testicular fortitude they have to have testicles, and, well, it seems they mortgaged them off in order to have the GOP in control of all three branches... and Putin has bought the deeds.
 
2017-08-27 11:10:35 AM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Difficulty: this thing must acquire balls, spine, and integrity:

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Or, this thing must acquire balls and spine within 14 months:
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They also need brains.  Don't forget the brains.
 
2017-08-27 11:10:36 AM  

Notabunny: SpaceyCat: Actually, pardoning Arpaio is within Trump's purview and is perfectly legal.  The optics are what's going to kill him for it.  The "Law and Order" president decided that he needed to override judicial process for political gain.

Any Congress can decide that any president should be impeached for ANYTHING it decides is "high crimes and misdemeanors".  Considering Trump's record of pretty much ignoring any laws, rules, or guidelines that doesn't suit him and actively trying to get investigations of his supporters shut down, I don't see Congress doing much of anything to remove him from office until and unless it actually threatens their own jobs/lives.

Even when Trump actively campaigns against one of their own (Jeff Flake) and promises $10 Million of his own money to defeat a sitting congress critter, the Republican Party still lacks the testicular fortitude to act.



A Trump promise for $10 Million dollars won't bother them at all. Nobody who knows anything about him will be worried that he will follow through.
 
2017-08-27 11:10:52 AM  
On the plus side, Arpaio has opened himself up for a festival of civil suits for having accepted the pardon, but there is no way in hell Donnie gets impeached over it.
 
2017-08-27 11:11:33 AM  

cirby: Just remember:

Trump pardoning a guy for a politically-motivated prosecution and conviction on a misdemeanor charget is The Worst Thing Ever, but Obama pardoning an actual terrorist who murdered people (and who wasn't repentant at all) and a traitor (who wasn't repentant at all, either), was perfectly fine.


I'm assuming you're sarcastic. I'd still like to clarify that what Joe Arpaio did to get that misdemeanor makes the word deplorable lose all meaning. Among other things, he:

* Called his temporary jail a concentration camp (literally)
* Retained a worker who broke a paraplegic person's neck for asking for a catheter
* Intentionally marched Latino prisoners into a segregated area of the jail
* Arrested journalists for writing about the conditions at his concentration camp
 
2017-08-27 11:12:44 AM  
It looks bad. But it'll also look bad when everyone in his cabinet has a "get out of jail free" card when his administration implodes.  Optics do not matter to him. Winning does. He still sees it as winning so long as he can do what he wants while the Republicans look on and clap.
 
2017-08-27 11:12:52 AM  

groppet: Wish in one hand and shiat in the other see what fills up first. Now if they saw Obama jaywalking they would probably have him brought to the chamber floor in chains.


... some of them not-so-secretly think Obama and people like him should be in chains regardless.

... including Fat Donnie Two Scoops and a number of people both around him and recently "let go" from the White House staff.
 
2017-08-27 11:13:39 AM  
Anything's an impeachable offense if you're brave enough.
 
2017-08-27 11:13:58 AM  

sno man: On the plus side, Arpaio has opened himself up for a festival of civil suits for having accepted the pardon, but there is no way in hell Donnie gets impeached over it.


I'd like to see a mariachi band playing at that festival.
 
2017-08-27 11:13:59 AM  

Serious Black: Among other things, he:

* Called his temporary jail a concentration camp (literally)
* Retained a worker who broke a paraplegic person's neck for asking for a catheter
* Intentionally marched Latino prisoners into a segregated area of the jail
* Arrested journalists for writing about the conditions at his concentration camp


Cirby just came in his pants.
 
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