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(The New Yorker)   Is it time to end the Goldwater Rule? And you thought you knew the thing about question headlines   ( newyorker.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Goldwater rule, Ronald Reagan, United States Constitution, Psychiatry, Trump, Goldwater rule forces, American Psychiatric Association  
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2017-08-24 02:46:38 PM  
Actually arguing about 2 things

1. Is Trump sane (enough to be pres)

2. Should psychologists be allowed to publicly share their relevant knowledge/experience
 
2017-08-24 03:03:42 PM  
 The principle known as the "Goldwater rule" prohibits psychiatrists from giving professional opinions about public figures without personally conducting an examination, as Jane Mayer wrote in this magazine in May. After losing the 1964 Presidential election, Senator Barry Goldwater successfully sued Fact magazine for defamation after it published a special issue in which psychiatrists declared him "severely paranoid" and "unfit" for the Presidency.

I mean ...

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If that is paranoia, we could stand a little more.

However, yes I know he started the whole Conservative bullsh*t to begin with.
 
2017-08-24 03:09:44 PM  
When a headline asks a question, the answer is usually "No".
 
2017-08-24 03:44:57 PM  
We don't need a professional diagnosis to determine Trump is completely farking insane.  Unfortunately that was on display during the entire election and millions still voted for him.
 
2017-08-24 03:56:30 PM  
Gold water?
 
2017-08-24 04:07:58 PM  
Anyone that has had someone in their family go soft-headed can already see what is happening, we don't need a doctor to tell us.

And just like how scam artists target the elderly that are losing their grip, the GOP is exploiting this confused old man in the hope of scoring some policy wins.
 
2017-08-24 04:10:43 PM  
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2017-08-24 04:19:14 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Anyone that has had someone in their family go soft-headed can already see what is happening, we don't need a doctor to tell us.


Sometimes a person...or a political party....is in denial.
 
2017-08-24 04:22:30 PM  
This isn't news to Trump supporters. They know he's crazy.

That's why they voted for him.
 
2017-08-24 04:24:17 PM  
Umm... just gotta say, there's an 8 year precedent (and president) that was before my time indicating that the GOP has absolutely no issue with dementia in their politicians.

What on earth makes anyone think they care about it MORE now?
 
2017-08-24 04:27:28 PM  

Ishkur: This isn't news to Trump supporters. They know he's crazy.

That's why they voted for him.


They're not exactly pictures of mental health themselves.
 
2017-08-24 04:31:09 PM  
Diagnosis requires professional examination. Full stop.
 
2017-08-24 04:34:32 PM  

sirrerun: Ishkur: This isn't news to Trump supporters. They know he's crazy.

That's why they voted for him.

They're not exactly pictures of mental health themselves.


They're just angry at the miserable state their lives have become and they want everyone else to share in their misery. They voted for the least qualified candidate out of spite. They don't want things to work. They want to watch the world burn.
 
2017-08-24 04:40:19 PM  

Ishkur: This isn't news to Trump supporters. They know he's crazy.
That's why they voted for him.


During the cold war, I'm sure there were plenty who felt that any president that let the Kremlin leaders sleep without fearing a missile launch in their sleep was the wrong president.  A certain amount of crazy was expected, although they probably didn't count on Reagan's alzheimer's.
 
2017-08-24 04:40:52 PM  

Millennium: Diagnosis requires professional examination. Full stop.


Nonsense.
media4.s-nbcnews.comDr. Senator Bill Frist needed nothing more than this.
 
2017-08-24 04:45:57 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: When a headline asks a question, the answer is usually "No".


The exception that tests the rule ....
 
2017-08-24 04:51:31 PM  
It's not just psych experts, it's anyone who has an idea of how people behave when they want to succeed

Just a couple of conservatives for example

Bob Corker (R-TN) for questioning President Donald Trump's "stability" and "competence" last week in light of the president's response to the violence in Charlottesville.

James Clapper told CNN that he was questioning Trump's "ability to be-his fitness to be-in this office. I also am beginning to wonder about his motivation for it-maybe he is looking for a way out."

But of course the WH answer is always bluster: "That's a ridiculous and outrageous claim and doesn't dignify a response" rather than actually answer the question.

Trump et al never challenge their critics with facts or logical argument - they always just attack the messenger.
 
2017-08-24 04:55:24 PM  

Millennium: Diagnosis requires professional examination. Full stop.


Yet in criminal investigations, profiles are built which ascribe probable or speculated diagnoses to a suspect based only on things far flimsier than what is available in the public about the POTUS.

What would happen if you got some forensic psychologists and criminal profilers together to write a profile of the POTUS using his speeches, tweets, and actions while in office. . .and during the campaign, and for before?
 
2017-08-24 04:58:16 PM  
Calling him irrational, insane, and a dementia sufferer is actually a kindness to try to excuse his extreme mean-spirited bigotry and corrupt practices.  He's unfit based upon his incompetence alone.
 
2017-08-24 05:06:48 PM  

Silverstaff: Millennium: Diagnosis requires professional examination. Full stop.

Yet in criminal investigations, profiles are built which ascribe probable or speculated diagnoses to a suspect based only on things far flimsier than what is available in the public about the POTUS.

What would happen if you got some forensic psychologists and criminal profilers together to write a profile of the POTUS using his speeches, tweets, and actions while in office. . .and during the campaign, and for before?


Apparently nothing, because he has a long public history that pretty clearly illustrates that he is in no way fit for the highest office in the land, and yet he got elected anyway.

Absolutely none of this was a surprise to people who were paying attention, which explains a lot.
 
2017-08-24 05:06:55 PM  
Goldwater... Golden showers...

Study it out.
 
2017-08-24 05:08:26 PM  
 
2017-08-24 05:16:21 PM  

Silverstaff: Millennium: Diagnosis requires professional examination. Full stop.

Yet in criminal investigations, profiles are built which ascribe probable or speculated diagnoses to a suspect based only on things far flimsier than what is available in the public about the POTUS.


A practice which causes great controversy even to this day, and which an increasing number of people say should be ended outright. That's not what profilers are supposed to be doing.
 
2017-08-24 05:29:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Anyone that has had someone in their family go soft-headed can already see what is happening, we don't need a doctor to tell us.

And just like how scam artists target the elderly that are losing their grip, the GOP is exploiting this confused old man in the hope of scoring some policy wins.


Yep.  My grandmother died from Alzheimer's last month.  The similarities are sadly there.
 
2017-08-24 06:01:42 PM  
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2017-08-24 08:15:39 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The principle known as the "Goldwater rule" prohibits psychiatrists from giving professional opinions about public figures without personally conducting an examination, as Jane Mayer wrote in this magazine in May. After losing the 1964 Presidential election, Senator Barry Goldwater successfully sued Fact magazine for defamation after it published a special issue in which psychiatrists declared him "severely paranoid" and "unfit" for the Presidency.

I mean ...

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If that is paranoia, we could stand a little more.

However, yes I know he started the whole Conservative bullsh*t to begin with.


Exactly.  The psychologists made fools of themselves then for doing this, and are opening the floodgates to look just as stupid in 20"years over this.

Is Trump a bad president?  Of course he is.  But the insanity is mostly on the part of the bedwetters.  Mental health professionals would be wise to not sounds as nutty as the denizens of Fark politics tab.
 
2017-08-24 09:23:06 PM  
Ended the Goldwater Rule would be terrible. Every person with enought money will be able to find an ammoral expert to spout whatever bullshiat their client wants. We already have this shot with political commentators, you can always find someone will to defend anything.
 
2017-08-24 10:54:03 PM  

Fuzzmosis: Umm... just gotta say, there's an 8 year precedent (and president) that was before my time indicating that the GOP has absolutely no issue with dementia in their politicians.

What on earth makes anyone think they care about it MORE now?


Yeah but that was 'pliable serve the gop' dementia. This guy is 6 months in and worse in many ways than that pigfarker ever got. Even those on his side cant use him for anything.
 
2017-08-25 01:18:32 AM  
Has anyone mentioned how Goldwater seems like a principled conservative and all around decent guy based on current Republican standards?
 
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