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2017-08-24 02:28:03 PM  
This should go green.

This is not just a trend, this is the new norm.  High schools the nation over are seeing declining participation.  Football, as you know it, is over.
 
2017-08-24 04:10:01 PM  
Ummm... good.
 
2017-08-24 04:15:10 PM  

stir22: Football, as you know it, is over.


The game will adjust. Too much money involved.

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2017-08-24 04:34:44 PM  
Rub some dirt on it and take a salt tablet
 
2017-08-24 04:35:15 PM  

damageddude: stir22: Football, as you know it, is over.

The game will adjust. Too much money involved.

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It will survive because of the money.  The participants will be vastly different.
 
2017-08-24 05:02:25 PM  

stir22: This should go green.

This is not just a trend, this is the new norm.  High schools the nation over are seeing declining participation.  Football, as you know it, is over.


yep.  and the NFL is pooping platinum kittens over it, too.  its days on the top of the money pile are numbered.
and I say this as a fan.
 
2017-08-24 05:22:07 PM  
People still volunteer to be boxers and UFC fighters, so there will always be those who are interested, despite the risks. There's really no way to stop your brain from bouncing around the inside of your skull when a 280 pound man pile-drives, though, so I don't see how there's any way to make football safer in any real way.

Its prevalence in youth culture is probably going to decline permanently, to be replaced by soccer or something, but I think the NFL will still have enough people who are willing to sacrifice their bodies for the amount of money they make that while they might not have as big a talent pool, it's not going to go away.
 
2017-08-24 05:27:01 PM  
There are always going to be people who are willing to sacrifice their bodies to earn money. And as long as there are people willing to do that, there will be people willing to pay them to do it becuase there are a shiatload of people who will pay THEM to watch people sacrifice their bodies. Or at least pay them to advertise while others sacrifice their bodies.

Let's not forget two people are about to earn 9 figures to punch each other in the head for 12 rounds. A sport, by the way, that has long been conclusively proven to cause brain damage. There are always gong to be people willing to get paid millions to run into each other for 60 minutes, even if they might not live till 70 as a result.
 
2017-08-24 05:30:56 PM  
http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Su​r​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.
 
2017-08-24 05:41:51 PM  
About time.
 
2017-08-24 05:44:47 PM  

This text is now purple: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Su​r​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.


It's still the most popular sport because participation in ALL sports, by percentage, is down.
 
2017-08-24 05:46:56 PM  
Rich white kids won't play it.  The poors still will.  No problem at the national level.
 
2017-08-24 05:51:36 PM  

This text is now purple: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Su​r​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.


Equestrian teams? Where did you go to high school, your majesty?
 
2017-08-24 06:02:40 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: Rich white kids won't play it.  The poors still will.  No problem at the national level.


That's why the professional lacrosse leagues are just SWIMMING in dough.
 
2017-08-24 06:35:43 PM  

This text is now purple: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Su​r​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.


Doesn't football also have the largest rosters typically? Idk about high school level but professionally they have around 50+ people per game, vs like 12 for basketball or 25 for baseball. Not saying it isn't most popular but roster sizes I think skew the #'s a bit at least.
 
2017-08-24 06:41:34 PM  
Rugby!
 
2017-08-24 06:47:37 PM  

nmrsnr: Its prevalence in youth culture is probably going to decline permanently, to be replaced by soccer or something,...


The fark it will, not in my America. George Washington didn't fight so future Americans would turn into a bunch of Eurocommie pussies. Anybody who wants to go grass diving can swim the fark over there and do it. We have standards here, we are men.
 
2017-08-24 06:55:31 PM  

rmyoung87: This text is now purple: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Sur​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.

Doesn't football also have the largest rosters typically? Idk about high school level but professionally they have around 50+ people per game, vs like 12 for basketball or 25 for baseball. Not saying it isn't most popular but roster sizes I think skew the #'s a bit at least.


That's the rub.  It is easy to get at least 12 guys to try out for basketball (and to a certain degree baseball), but plenty of schools are shutting football programs down for lack of those 50+ guys willing to have their bodies broken in High School.
/and I suspect the deaths due to hyperthermia will continue to outpace all other severe HS football injuries
//there's always a few this time of year (August heat + helmet, pads, and uniform designed for a fall sport)
///cart one guy to the morgue and look how many parents pull their sons
 
2017-08-24 07:07:24 PM  
The latest casualty to football head injuries?

Looks like subby played too many games without a helmet.
 
2017-08-24 07:09:15 PM  

rmyoung87: This text is now purple: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/PDF/2014-15_Participation_Sur​vey_Results.pdf

Football is the most popular HS sport. It has more players than basketball, track, or soccer -- despite being played almost exclusively by boys.

Even then, more girls play football than are on equestrian teams.

Doesn't football also have the largest rosters typically? Idk about high school level but professionally they have around 50+ people per game, vs like 12 for basketball or 25 for baseball. Not saying it isn't most popular but roster sizes I think skew the #'s a bit at least.


The linked statistics show that the majority of High School Football teams are 11 player. Add that that needs to account for an offensive line up and defensive line up and alternates, I would say the allowed roster size definitely skews the numbers.

ToThis text is now purpleI would also argue that it's only been the past couple years that the sheer inevitability of head injuries from playing football has become more publicized. Comparing the link posted being for 2014-15, to the 2015-2016 and 2016-17 numbers shows football dropping 2.3% compared to basketball rising 1%. Soccer participation rose 3.75%. Taken with the fact that contrary to what was stated earlier about reduced athletic participation, the number of students active in sports ROSE 2%, that makes it even more noteworthy that football dropped.

http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2016-17_Participation​_​Survey_Results.pdf
 
2017-08-24 07:34:26 PM  
These soccer fans keep operating under the delusion that they will become the cool kids.  We get it..you hate football what with all the swirlies you got in school.
 
2017-08-24 07:38:02 PM  

Cataholic: These soccer fans keep operating under the delusion that they will become the cool kids.  We get it..you hate football what with all the swirlies you got in school.


I'm gonna guess this guy is from the South.

/Checks profile.

Yep.
 
2017-08-24 07:56:43 PM  
Ruptured a disc in my back playing high school football in 1977.  Hospital for eleven days.  Out of school for six months.  Nothing like having a preexisting condition when trying to get a job in the early 1980s.  The ER became my doctor, and all I did for years was try to keep up with the medical bills.  Up until it dawned on me I was trying to empty a swimming pool with a teaspoon.

Everyone gets injured to some degree playing football, and all those injuries become preexisting conditions.
 
2017-08-24 07:57:27 PM  
My son wrapped up his college career last year. I asked him if he had any regrets and he told me he wished he hadn't started so young. 16 years of competitive football is a long time.

Take that for what it's worth.
 
2017-08-24 08:04:40 PM  
This is where failing to crack any international markets hurts. Other sports can bring in talent from other regions where that sport is popular, but American football is too peculiar to catch on. I suppose they may dangle money in front of rugby players.
 
2017-08-24 08:18:31 PM  
Washington Post recently had a story about an NJ HS dropping it's varsity program. The particular school, the drop in participants was in part due to new immigrants focused on education, not sports.

It also mentioned soccer gets more concussions then football.

Would link, but I'm lazy, and on mobile.
 
2017-08-24 08:24:33 PM  

missiv: Rugby!


I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby, given that rugby players use far less protective gear. I can't help but think that all the body armor is counterproductive in that it gives football players a sense of invulnerability.
 
2017-08-24 08:38:58 PM  

Fubegra: missiv: Rugby!

I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby, given that rugby players use far less protective gear. I can't help but think that all the body armor is counterproductive in that it gives football players a sense of invulnerability.


I don't 100% understand rugby, but I think the inability to constantly sub out people and the relatively unbroken flow of the game forces the players to not go all out on every play. They have to conserve their energy much more. They can't go 110% for 12 seconds then walk to the sideline for a play to inhale pure oxygen and Gatorade then go out again to go 110% for 12 more seconds.

Rugby can still fark someone up, but it's a bit different.
 
2017-08-24 09:03:10 PM  

Foxxinnia: Fubegra: missiv: Rugby!

I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby, given that rugby players use far less protective gear. I can't help but think that all the body armor is counterproductive in that it gives football players a sense of invulnerability.

I don't 100% understand rugby, but I think the inability to constantly sub out people and the relatively unbroken flow of the game forces the players to not go all out on every play. They have to conserve their energy much more. They can't go 110% for 12 seconds then walk to the sideline for a play to inhale pure oxygen and Gatorade then go out again to go 110% for 12 more seconds.

Rugby can still fark someone up, but it's a bit different.


When football had less protective gear the players had higher frequency of death. The difference in rugby is that the hits aren't as violent. Lots of tackling but most of it a grappling or drag-down type. Football will eventually introduce rules to drive tackling that direction. However, that ignores the fact that brain damage is overwhelmingly skewed toward the linemen. On that note I would be interested in seeing rugby CTE results because their contact really does muffler more closely the lineman experience.
 
2017-08-24 10:12:29 PM  

Foxxinnia: Fubegra: missiv: Rugby!

I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby, given that rugby players use far less protective gear. I can't help but think that all the body armor is counterproductive in that it gives football players a sense of invulnerability.

I don't 100% understand rugby, but I think the inability to constantly sub out people and the relatively unbroken flow of the game forces the players to not go all out on every play. They have to conserve their energy much more. They can't go 110% for 12 seconds then walk to the sideline for a play to inhale pure oxygen and Gatorade then go out again to go 110% for 12 more seconds.

Rugby can still fark someone up, but it's a bit different.


Football is worse for concussions because pads and helmets encourage players to spear each other. Brains rattling all over the place.
 
2017-08-24 10:19:09 PM  

Foxxinnia: Fubegra: missiv: Rugby!

I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby, given that rugby players use far less protective gear. I can't help but think that all the body armor is counterproductive in that it gives football players a sense of invulnerability.

I don't 100% understand rugby, but I think the inability to constantly sub out people and the relatively unbroken flow of the game forces the players to not go all out on every play. They have to conserve their energy much more. They can't go 110% for 12 seconds then walk to the sideline for a play to inhale pure oxygen and Gatorade then go out again to go 110% for 12 more seconds.

Rugby can still fark someone up, but it's a bit different.


Rugby has more catastrophic spinal injuries (mostly collapsed scrums, but some open field) and fewer brain injuries.

But it quietly has a concussion problem, too
 
2017-08-24 10:24:17 PM  

Sin'sHero: Washington Post recently had a story about an NJ HS dropping it's varsity program. The particular school, the drop in participants was in part due to new immigrants focused on education, not sports.

It also mentioned soccer gets more concussions then football.

Would link, but I'm lazy, and on mobile.


I lived in the town where they were talking about how they dropped football, and believe me, it is 100% due to the demographics that have taken over all of central NJ.  Let's just say they are trading football for cricket.
 
2017-08-24 10:45:29 PM  

duke3522: Ruptured a disc in my back playing high school football in 1977.  Hospital for eleven days.  Out of school for six months.  Nothing like having a preexisting condition when trying to get a job in the early 1980s.  The ER became my doctor, and all I did for years was try to keep up with the medical bills.  Up until it dawned on me I was trying to empty a swimming pool with a teaspoon.

Everyone gets injured to some degree playing football, and all those injuries become preexisting conditions.


Played 12 years (through sr year). Broke most of my fingers, my wrist, and my ribs. Hyperextended my elbow. Got two diagnosed consussions that knocked me unconscious.

I'm 38. I have severe arthritis in my neck, shoulders, elbows, and hands. Im in pain for days if I over exert myself physically (upper body - so yard work and shiat). And that doesn't factor any CTE type damage. I played FB and LB so I had a lot of contact.

My son won't be playing football. I had a lot of fun but it just wasn't worth it.
 
2017-08-24 11:08:03 PM  

nmrsnr: People still volunteer to be boxers and UFC fighters, so there will always be those who are interested, despite the risks. There's really no way to stop your brain from bouncing around the inside of your skull when a 280 pound man pile-drives, though, so I don't see how there's any way to make football safer in any real way.

Its prevalence in youth culture is probably going to decline permanently, to be replaced by soccer or something, but I think the NFL will still have enough people who are willing to sacrifice their bodies for the amount of money they make that while they might not have as big a talent pool, it's not going to go away.


Football kind of requires many more participants than an MMA match does.
 
2017-08-24 11:09:53 PM  

Sin'sHero: Washington Post recently had a story about an NJ HS dropping it's varsity program. The particular school, the drop in participants was in part due to new immigrants focused on education, not sports.

It also mentioned soccer gets more concussions then football.

Would link, but I'm lazy, and on mobile.


GOOD.

Schools are for learning, not playtime.
 
2017-08-24 11:12:12 PM  

puckrock2000: The latest casualty to football head injuries?

Looks like subby played too many games without a helmet.


No, that is used correctly. It might be less common, but that is proper English.
 
2017-08-24 11:14:39 PM  

LoneWolf343: Sin'sHero: Washington Post recently had a story about an NJ HS dropping it's varsity program. The particular school, the drop in participants was in part due to new immigrants focused on education, not sports.

It also mentioned soccer gets more concussions then football.

Would link, but I'm lazy, and on mobile.

GOOD.

Schools are for learning, not playtime.


I think you underestimate the learning that occurs in sports, especially team sports.
 
2017-08-24 11:38:52 PM  
Fark, I am disappoint.

FTJ: Congratulations Cleveland Browns on your win. Unfortunately my season ended last night. I will NEVER attend a sporting event where the draft dodging millionaire athletes disrespect the veterans who earned them the right to be on that field. Shame on you all. William O'Neill, LTC, US Army, Retired. Vietnam veteran; son of a World II veteran; proud father of an Iraq veteran.

The last US military draft ended on Jan. 27, 1973. In order to be close to eligible, a player would have to a minimum of SIXTY ONE YEARS OLD!

/ the Browns can't have more than two or three of them
// and it's very unlikely that their knees could handle that type of protest
 
2017-08-25 12:45:31 AM  
If football goes, they will probably start making all the poor jocks actually attend class and have to study and learn things.  People will no longer be able to get by just by being an athlete!  They will have to actually develop skills that are useful to society.  This is a complete nightmare.  How will the world ever fair?  And think of all the poor rape victims, who will suddenly be believed, because we are not worrying about the upcoming big game.  Tragedy.  Complete tragedy.
 
2017-08-25 02:26:19 AM  
I'm a football fan but if I were a parent of a teenager the only way I'd let my son play is if that was his only hope to get out of whatever hellhole we lived in. Otherwise he'd have to wait till he was 18. I can't complain, I've played and watched plenty of football over my lifetime.
 
2017-08-25 08:35:08 AM  
Tackle football should be like smoking or drinking, it should be outlawed until you're 18-ish. Flag football is picking in popularity though because it still has the spacing & routes of normal football it just doesn't have 10 guys at the ball tackling or defending the QB. Education is good here, very very few people who play the sport make it to the pro level so they need to look out for themselves and their children and not "mah game purity".

I mean i'm a huge football fan, but that's just the way it is and should be. Going forward i've always thought there would be a decline in talent, but all the same the NFL is such an exclusive club that i'm not worried about it - guys still have to be coached up no matter what because everybody is too experienced for scrubs to come in and lower the bar by being successful.
 
2017-08-25 08:56:06 AM  
I don't know of anyone who started playing football for their health
 
2017-08-25 09:05:19 AM  

Crewmannumber6: I don't know of anyone who started playing football for their health


I started playing because I was a heavy kid and wanted to get in shape. That part worked out ok.
 
2017-08-25 09:51:59 AM  

gunsmack: Fark, I am disappoint.

FTJ: Congratulations Cleveland Browns on your win. Unfortunately my season ended last night. I will NEVER attend a sporting event where the draft dodging millionaire athletes disrespect the veterans who earned them the right to be on that field. Shame on you all. William O'Neill, LTC, US Army, Retired. Vietnam veteran; son of a World II veteran; proud father of an Iraq veteran.

The last US military draft ended on Jan. 27, 1973. In order to be close to eligible, a player would have to a minimum of SIXTY ONE YEARS OLD!

/ the Browns can't have more than two or three of them
// and it's very unlikely that their knees could handle that type of protest


I think you want the thread below this one.
 
2017-08-25 10:22:46 AM  
Wait until people start figuring out that, by having football in schools, their tax dollars are literally paying to give kids brain damage.
 
2017-08-25 11:38:38 AM  
Good. Get all the pussies out of the game
 
2017-08-25 11:40:04 AM  

stir22: This should go green.

This is not just a trend, this is the new norm.  High schools the nation over are seeing declining participation.  Football, as you know it, is over.


Hilarious! Thanks man
 
2017-08-25 11:47:53 AM  

WoodyHayes: nmrsnr: Its prevalence in youth culture is probably going to decline permanently, to be replaced by soccer or something,...

The fark it will, not in my America. George Washington didn't fight so future Americans would turn into a bunch of Eurocommie pussies. Anybody who wants to go grass diving can swim the fark over there and do it. We have standards here, we are men.


there's a warrior's code, dammit!
 
2017-08-25 12:29:14 PM  
Awesome!

Kids can't consent to head trauma.

I remember being a freshman at Varsity spring practice.  and the coach telling me I had to go knock the starting Mike LB on his ass on the next play.  that was my blocking assignment as fullback.  Coach is telling me this between plays as the LB is watching and everyone else.  So, next play I gave it my all .   I think i knocked him back 1/2 a step.  Knocked myself out for 3 seconds.   Got a pat on the back from coach and learned that's what i was expected to do. i was to be a headhunter.   thats just one example. the hits over the next year were 'spectacular' and too many to count. I was playing LB.  Playing above my weight because i was a 'fearless hitter'.  Velocity instead of mass, etc.

I tried to quit football before senior year. I was tired of the headaches and fearful of the hits.  parents wouldnt' let me.  turns out i was on scholarship at the private HS i was going to.  didnt' even know it.   was not worth it at all.  didnt even want to, but the entire structure was telling me that was my role to play.   i've known three guys I played with who have committed suicide.  three.  they were all big hitters.  parts of your brain are damaged.  the parts that can experience happiness and empathy are affected.

 Hundreds of thousands of Kids are getting their brains bruised hundreds of times before graduating.  It's appalling.   But understandable for those who havent played.  Or haven't played certain positions.
 
rka
2017-08-25 12:32:10 PM  

nmrsnr: People still volunteer to be boxers and UFC fighters


And they are rightly viewed as being only slightly smarter than the pit bulls that are put into dog fighting matches. Maybe a bit less if you think about it, the dogs wouldn't fight if given a choice.

Fubegra: I was just wondering what the injury statistics are like for rugby


Tough to tell because for the longest time rugby couldn't convince any players to actually participate in a study about head injuries. If any sport has its collective head in the sand more than American football over this subject, it's Rugby.
 
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