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(Yahoo)   Just 14 words at Trump's Arizona rally may have caused Ben Carson to violate an ethics law   ( finance.yahoo.com) divider line
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2017-08-24 04:27:37 AM  
This will get as much attention as 45's violation of the emoluments clause.
 
2017-08-24 04:27:53 AM  
You know who else had 14 words?
 
2017-08-24 04:32:58 AM  
Ben Carson is a dolt who shouldn't be anywhere near a leadership position in government.

That said, was it really Ben Carson's words that violated the Hatch Act? Or were they the announcer's? In fact, does anyone have any indication Carson had anything to do with his introduction as HUD secretary?
 
2017-08-24 04:47:16 AM  
Something something something about securing the future for white babies?
 
2017-08-24 05:44:18 AM  
And nobody who can do anything about will care... or do anything about it.

Feeling great yet?
 
2017-08-24 05:49:44 AM  
Grain storage pyramids to be built soon.
 
2017-08-24 06:23:21 AM  

fusillade762: This will get as much attention as 45's violation of the emoluments clause.


keylock71: And nobody who can do anything about will care... or do anything about it.

Feeling great yet?


What you said. Trump doesn't believe ethics laws pertain to him because no one ever does anything.
I started to list them but there really are too many and yet Nothing. happens.
 
2017-08-24 06:28:08 AM  

domo_kun_sai: fusillade762: This will get as much attention as 45's violation of the emoluments clause.

keylock71: And nobody who can do anything about will care... or do anything about it.

Feeling great yet?

What you said. Trump doesn't believe ethics laws pertain to him because no one ever does anything.
I started to list them but there really are too many and yet Nothing. happens.


And not just Trump - every single R in congress is complicit by doing nothing about it
 
2017-08-24 06:35:01 AM  
Grain Silos.
 
2017-08-24 06:52:14 AM  
I was expecting something less meh. I fOund this pretty meh.
 
2017-08-24 06:52:33 AM  
An ethics law was violated?

Silly subby, ethics laws don't apply to republicans.
 
2017-08-24 06:53:21 AM  
Also, I'd appreciate it if you don't capitalize random letters, phone.  Thanks.
 
2017-08-24 07:06:32 AM  
Only an idioy would get elected to a position and then not rape the country for every dime they can steal. There are no consequences. It's free money
 
2017-08-24 07:11:42 AM  
And who will enforce it?
 
2017-08-24 07:12:52 AM  
*ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED*
 
2017-08-24 07:15:16 AM  
Wow, what a bombshell.
 
2017-08-24 07:15:23 AM  
Well I guess that's the end of things and Trump is finally caught.

Nobody ever gets brought up on Hatch Act charges and this is a real stretch given it wasn't even Carson's words.

The only thing anyone uses the Hatch Act for is HR policies to scare low level GS employees into not putting campaign stickers on their car.
 
2017-08-24 07:15:59 AM  
FTA: The 1939 law prevents government employees - such as cabinet secretaries- from using their position to advance or promote any political party or candidate.

Wait... doesn't this happen quite often??
 
2017-08-24 07:16:14 AM  
Silly subs.
The rules and laws which govern common democrats and the poors have no force over a republican.
Laws are only to be enforced when you can use them to attack your political opponents. Even in cases wherr no law WAS broken by that opponent you can still carry out several useless congressional hearings.

But if this standard of ethics and decency are ever leveled against a republican it is an immediate 'witch hunt' or 'fake news'.

Republicans you see are God's chosen and can do no wrong under the laws of men.
 
2017-08-24 07:19:12 AM  

Demetrius: An ethics law was violated?

Silly subby, ethics laws don't apply to republicans.


Why did you qualify it? I thought we were past pretending any laws applied to republican lawmakers and politicians.
 
2017-08-24 07:22:16 AM  
I'm sick of caring about this administration's wrong doing because, no one with the ability to do something about it has the courage to care themselves.

It doesn't mean I won't still care and be bothered.  I'm just sick of this feeling.
 
2017-08-24 07:22:29 AM  
IT'S HAPPENING!!!

not.
 
2017-08-24 07:24:40 AM  
Aren't Cabinet Secretaries exempt from the Hatch Act? Exempt employees include "an employee appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, whose position is located within the United States, who determines policies to be pursued by the United States in the nationwide administration of Federal laws" which would certainly cover the HUD Secretary.
 
2017-08-24 07:26:34 AM  
*rtfa*

OK, so Sleepy Ben didn't say the 14 words...the announcer did.

I think they just found their patsy they can throw under the bus.
 
2017-08-24 07:28:12 AM  
You're not helping. Please stop.
 
2017-08-24 07:31:51 AM  
Just another turd in Sewage River
 
2017-08-24 07:32:57 AM  
Either that or the Trump campaign illegally used funds on what wasn't a campaign rally.
 
2017-08-24 07:37:00 AM  

fusillade762: You know who else had 14 words?


Goddammit I came ot say just that.
 
2017-08-24 07:39:41 AM  
They should've shortened it to, "Ladies and Gentlemen:  The token black guy"...
 
2017-08-24 07:39:46 AM  
This is stupid.
 
2017-08-24 07:41:07 AM  
Laws don't farking matter anymore.  We're so far passed petty laws, unless it's Christian Law as interpreted by whoever's in charge.
 
2017-08-24 07:42:05 AM  
*snerk*  That won't change anything.  The GOP has been violating various and sundry laws, ethics, or changing them to suit themselves for a while.  They're just now doing it in public.
 
2017-08-24 07:50:30 AM  
Ben Carson only answers to one person, and that guy has his back.


img.fark.net
 
2017-08-24 07:52:01 AM  
That dumbass,

I hope he ends up living in a s3ction 8 shiathole,
 
2017-08-24 07:52:23 AM  
This is surely the moment that topples everything. Any second now... Any second now... annnnd now! ...now! ... hold on, NOW!

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NOW!!!
 
2017-08-24 07:53:13 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I was expecting something less meh. I fOund this pretty meh.


Word of advice....whenever a headline mentions the Hatch Act or Emoluments Clause, expect a large dose of meh in the article.
 
2017-08-24 07:53:35 AM  

fusillade762: You know who else had 14 words?


"I'm gonna say this again.  I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Sorry, first thing that popped into my head.
 
2017-08-24 07:57:36 AM  

xanadian: *rtfa*

OK, so Sleepy Ben didn't say the 14 words...the announcer did.

I think they just found their patsy they can throw under the bus.


I'm sure it's not the words, it's his presence as a political rally.
 
2017-08-24 08:10:22 AM  

fusillade762: This will get as much attention as 45's violation of the emoluments clause.


The first mistake here is believing that these laws were written with the intent of actually charging anyone with a crime.
 
2017-08-24 08:14:38 AM  

GoldSpider: fusillade762: This will get as much attention as 45's violation of the emoluments clause.

The first mistake here is believing that these laws were written with the intent of actually charging anyone with a crime.


I'm sure they figured a normal person would hear about those laws and go 'fine, I won't do that.'  They didn't count on a bunch of psychopaths who look for things to violate.
 
2017-08-24 08:17:14 AM  

cmunic8r99: Ben Carson is a dolt who shouldn't be anywhere near a leadership position in government.

That said, was it really Ben Carson's words that violated the Hatch Act? Or were they the announcer's? In fact, does anyone have any indication Carson had anything to do with his introduction as HUD secretary?


For that matter, does anyone have any indication Carson had anything to do with his nomination, confirmation, and acceptance of the job? Or did he just wander into that office while looking for his luggage?
 
2017-08-24 08:24:45 AM  
If the mere truthful utterance of a person's title at a campaign rally is enough to trigger the Hatch Act then the Hatch Act needs to be repealed.
 
2017-08-24 08:27:59 AM  

snowybunting: Ben Carson only answers to one person, and that guy has his back.


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That guy also has a dent where his frontal lobe should be.
 
2017-08-24 08:33:49 AM  

fusillade762: You know who else had 14 words?


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2017-08-24 08:35:36 AM  
Sounds like the only chance of any enforcement action against Carson would be after Trump's impeachment.

Contrariwise, how President Trump handles this might make for a separate count of Obstruction of Justice in a bill of impeachment.

Nohow... there is NO statute of limitations on the Hatch Act.
 
2017-08-24 08:37:25 AM  

wkndfrk: FTA: The 1939 law prevents government employees - such as cabinet secretaries- from using their position to advance or promote any political party or candidate.

Wait... doesn't this happen quite often??


The rules are very specific. Government employees are not allowed to politic while operating in their official capacity.

For example, a Federal employee should not post on the Fark politics tab from work or he'd be in violation. If he posts in his off-duty hours, it's OK, unless he identifies himself as a government employee.

Carson can appear and speak as Ben Carson, Private Idiot, but not as Ben Carson, Secretary of HUD.
 
2017-08-24 08:40:21 AM  

Manfred J. Hattan: If the mere truthful utterance of a person's title at a campaign rally is enough to trigger the Hatch Act then the Hatch Act needs to be repealed.


Uttering their title is fine. Uttering the title of a government official who is appearing at the rally in support of the candidate is not.

Or would you rather Democrats start sending out government employees to campaign for Democratic candidates on the taxpayer dime again, as they allegedly did during the 1938 congressional elections?
 
2017-08-24 08:44:00 AM  
I'd rather have a lick of common sense and be able to designate between a farking cabinet secretary and a federally-funded squad of drones, but that's just me.
 
2017-08-24 08:48:07 AM  

qorkfiend: Aren't Cabinet Secretaries exempt from the Hatch Act? Exempt employees include "an employee appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, whose position is located within the United States, who determines policies to be pursued by the United States in the nationwide administration of Federal laws" which would certainly cover the HUD Secretary.


This was my understanding as well. As a cabinet Secretary he is expected to be partisan.
 
2017-08-24 08:48:52 AM  
And who will charge them with a crime?  Trump can commit any crime he wants, republicans have to charge him or he gets off scott free.  Do you see the problem?
 
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