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2017-08-23 12:37:09 PM  
Gosh, remember when we actually had unalienable rights and freedoms in this country?

No? Yeah me neither.
 
2017-08-23 12:41:41 PM  
Ultimately, the President is our employee, and while you can afford him a degree of civility, that is entirely dependent on his behavior and policies.

Folks IN the government, he's often their boss. Not always, but often. And he's accorded a certain degree of civility because of those connections.

I can get why some folks might want to pain everyone who protests against the President as being Godless Commies or Enemies of the State, because Gods Above and Below know that the Secret Service deals with their share of nutters and loons, and police tend to be less circumspect than Feds in that regard, because they have a certain degree of rivalry coupled with desperately wanting to have as much power and leeway as the Feds do. Because they want to impress the Feds on how GOOD a job that they've done in detaining some potential "terrorist."

Not all cops, certainly. But there's enough that it's kind of a thing.

In the end, private citizens don't have to make it easier on the Feds, and if they do their homework first, they should KNOW the answers to half of their questions before hand. Which is why they ask them, so that they can see what you're willing to lie about.
 
2017-08-23 12:41:55 PM  
Our tax dollars at work, ladies and gents.
 
2017-08-23 12:44:16 PM  
For hanging a banner she gets detained by the Secret Service, questioned, has to sign a waiver to release her health records, then has her neighborhood canvassed.

I can see some added scrutiny because of the location, but it's a banner for crying out loud.
 
2017-08-23 12:47:03 PM  
This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.
 
2017-08-23 12:53:56 PM  
The Secret Service is sending out agents to question the neighbors of every person in the United States who so much as thinks Donald Trump is a racist?  No farking wonder they're out of money.
 
2017-08-23 12:54:44 PM  
If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.
 
2017-08-23 12:56:16 PM  

Girl From The North Country: For hanging a banner she gets detained by the Secret Service, questioned, has to sign a waiver to release her health records, then has her neighborhood canvassed.

I can see some added scrutiny because of the location, but it's a banner for crying out loud.


If Trump didn't want people coming into his house, sipping some coffee, and calling him out for being a Nazi apologist, then he shouldn't have leased part of the first floor to Starbucks.
 
2017-08-23 12:57:05 PM  

bdub77: If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.


Easy to say when you're not in the chair with G-men all over the place.
 
2017-08-23 12:58:22 PM  
Perhaps she should have carried a torch instead of a banner.  Apparently torches are what the peaceful protesters use these days.
 
2017-08-23 12:59:16 PM  

hubiestubert: and while you can afford him a degree of civility,


nope, not even a planck's distance of a sliver of a degree can be afforded
 
2017-08-23 01:15:22 PM  
I guess that accounts for the overtime.
 
2017-08-23 01:31:25 PM  

Jake Havechek: This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.


I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but I'm gonna defend the NYPD and the SS here.  They're doing their jobs for better and for worse.

The fact they're doing it on such a hyper-sensitive level owes a lot to Donald Trump.   He's a farking moronic man-child and people hate him because of that.
 
2017-08-23 01:52:51 PM  
The answer to every question she was asked should have been a question. "Am I being detained?" If they say no, "Then am I free to go?" If they say no to that or yes to the first question, ask, "What charges am I being detained on?" Also there is a useful declarative, one word response to all questions: "Lawyer."

This should be a Golden Rule for any interaction with police, doubly so if you are potentially being asked about your potential intentions to harm the president.
 
2017-08-23 02:03:24 PM  
I meekly asked whether I should talk to a lawyer. I was told it was my prerogative but also that it might mean I'd be held longer. Being in a room with that many enforcement agents hurt my ability to reason dispassionately, and I was now looking at a criminal record from a basic, even banal, nonviolent protest. I signed the forms.

See, this is classic. They intimate that cooperation will lead to you going on with your life faster; nothing could be further from the truth. If they tell you you will be held longer for not cooperating, that is when you want to ask them if you are under arrest and if so what charges they are holding you on. Police cannot detain you without a cause. If they have no crime to hold you on, you are free to leave. If you let them know that you know that, they may give up and let you go.

I understand feeling intimidated, and that you want it to end, but you have to realize that cooperating with the police is not the quickest way to end the situation. They are looking for something, anything, they can conceivably find to charge you with. If you sign over authority to probe through your medical records with impunity? Dear lord.
 
2017-08-23 02:48:12 PM  
I wonder if his neighbor has tried not being a racist.
 
2017-08-23 02:48:34 PM  

Rwa2play: Jake Havechek: This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but I'm gonna defend the NYPD and the SS here.  They're doing their jobs for better and for worse.

The fact they're doing it on such a hyper-sensitive level owes a lot to Donald Trump.   He's a farking moronic man-child and people hate him because of that.


"We were just folllowing orders" isn't an acceptable defense.
 
2017-08-23 02:49:27 PM  
I meekly asked whether I should talk to a lawyer. I was told it was my prerogative but also that it might mean I'd be held longer. Being in a room with that many enforcement agents hurt my ability to reason dispassionately, and I was now looking at a criminal record from a basic, even banal, nonviolent protest. I signed the forms.

Yes, you are detained longer, but they can't ask you any more questions. Wait it out, don't sign the forms. It sucks, especially since you have nothing to do in that time, but don't let 'em fark you over like that.
 
2017-08-23 02:49:31 PM  
Well at least they don't have to change their acronym.
 
2017-08-23 02:49:50 PM  

Archidude: Rwa2play: Jake Havechek: This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but I'm gonna defend the NYPD and the SS here.  They're doing their jobs for better and for worse.

The fact they're doing it on such a hyper-sensitive level owes a lot to Donald Trump.   He's a farking moronic man-child and people hate him because of that.

"We were just folllowing orders" isn't an acceptable defense.


Befehl ist Befehl, nicht wahr?

/sadly, this is now the default GOP operating philosophy
 
2017-08-23 02:52:35 PM  
The list of questions is probably from a set checklist that they have to (by protocol) ask, whether they are relevant or not.  I've answered background check screenings for former co-workers and it's always the same; even if you tell them you don't socialize outside of work they'll still ask all the personal questions anyway because they have to.  And they have to do follow-up to attempt to verify the responses.
The medical waivers bit was bullshiat though.

Waste of resources in this case, sure.  They should only be focusing on people they have a reason to believe may pose a threat, and a banner protesting his public statements in a non-violent or threatening way is not a worthy target for further investigation.
 
2017-08-23 02:55:45 PM  

gilgigamesh: The answer to every question she was asked should have been a question. "Am I being detained?" If they say no, "Then am I free to go?" If they say no to that or yes to the first question, ask, "What charges am I being detained on?" Also there is a useful declarative, one word response to all questions: "Lawyer."

This should be a Golden Rule for any interaction with police, doubly so if you are potentially being asked about your potential intentions to harm the president.


I have to wonder if Ibragim Todashev was shot for asking for a lawyer (he was 7 times while being questioned by the FBI).  This is presumably the smart way of saying "do you know who I am" (i.e. "I don't expect you to know who I am, but I have a lawyer on retainer and that means you can't trample my rights as SOP").
/If you can't immediately produce said lawyer, I don't expect things to go well.
//you must be white
///and rich
/V rolling over for the cops doesn't  work either.  No idea on the best course of action.  Expect to be screwed.
 
2017-08-23 02:57:28 PM  
Hanging signs at elevated levels to where the president will be passing by obscures the vision of spotters and gives cover.... yes it may have been innocuous or a rouse to create a blind.
 
2017-08-23 02:57:55 PM  

Jake Havechek: bdub77: If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.

Easy to say when you're not in the chair with G-men all over the place.


At this point, protesters need to prep for this treatment.  Felony for a banner? The ACLU would get erect just hearing it.

The way the country is going in the last few years, you protest, expect to be tear gassed, assaulted and arrested, prepare accordingly, have bail and a lawyer's business card, and someone on the outside who knows what's up. Be a legal thorn in their side.
 
2017-08-23 02:58:20 PM  

Jake Havechek: bdub77: If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.

Easy to say when you're not in the chair with G-men all over the place.


"I invoke my right to council"

See, it's easy to say.

I'm not anti-cop or anti-Feds or anti-Law Enforcement at all. But if any law enforcement officer comes to visit me or detains me for anything more severe than a speeding ticket, the only words I'm saying are to ask for a lawyer and confirm that I understand my rights if they arrest me.

Of course, I'm white, so....

All kidding aside, seriously. Any thing more severe than a speeding ticket, ask for a lawyer and say nothing until they arrive, regardless of your skin color. If they dick around in getting you a lawyer when you ask for one, the lawyer that shows up is going to have a spontaneous orgasm thinking about the civil suit they stumbled into.
 
2017-08-23 02:58:34 PM  

cefm: a banner protesting his public statements in a non-violent or threatening way is


protected by the first amendment and persecution or impedance of liberty for that is a violation of that right.
 
2017-08-23 02:58:41 PM  

bdub77: If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.


Especially over this.  No farking way I'm talking without one.
 
2017-08-23 02:59:45 PM  
God, it seems like such a short time ago that, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotic", or something like that, and that protesting was something people could legally do with loaded firearms. Suddenly, it's verboten. Wonder what changed?
 
2017-08-23 03:01:53 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2017-08-23 03:02:59 PM  

Jake Havechek: bdub77: If someone arrests you, don't talk to the cops or feds, STFU and get your lawyer.

Easy to say when you're not in the chair with G-men all over the place.


That's when you especially need to STFU and get your lawyer.
 
2017-08-23 03:04:58 PM  

Mikey1969: I meekly asked whether I should talk to a lawyer. I was told it was my prerogative but also that it might mean I'd be held longer. Being in a room with that many enforcement agents hurt my ability to reason dispassionately, and I was now looking at a criminal record from a basic, even banal, nonviolent protest. I signed the forms.

Yes, you are detained longer, but they can't ask you any more questions. Wait it out, don't sign the forms. It sucks, especially since you have nothing to do in that time, but don't let 'em fark you over like that.


Cops can violate your rights and can get away with it. We've seen them get off for murder on film. Busting protesters with tear gas for just peacefully protesting is gross violation and yet here we are. But showing that you know your rights may make them think twice. Especially if you're cuffed in a room with multiple cops.
 
2017-08-23 03:05:07 PM  

Saiga410: Hanging signs at elevated levels to where the president will be passing by obscures the vision of spotters and gives cover.... yes it may have been innocuous or a rouse to create a blind.


Why did you post this? Are you a psychic vampire that feeds on people's mild irritation?
 
2017-08-23 03:05:59 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: [i.imgur.com image 755x507]


Nice double meaning. The piece doesn't actually fit anywhere.
 
2017-08-23 03:06:08 PM  

bdub77: Gosh, remember when we actually had unalienable rights and freedoms in this country?

No? Yeah me neither.


I suspect that many people of color never remember those days.
 
2017-08-23 03:10:19 PM  

The Larch: Saiga410: Hanging signs at elevated levels to where the president will be passing by obscures the vision of spotters and gives cover.... yes it may have been innocuous or a rouse to create a blind.

Why did you post this? Are you a psychic vampire that feeds on people's mild irritation?


Contrarians gonna contrary.
 
2017-08-23 03:14:46 PM  

Archidude: Rwa2play: Jake Havechek: This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but I'm gonna defend the NYPD and the SS here.  They're doing their jobs for better and for worse.

The fact they're doing it on such a hyper-sensitive level owes a lot to Donald Trump.   He's a farking moronic man-child and people hate him because of that.

"We were just folllowing orders" isn't an acceptable defense.


"Cover Your Ass" is however.  If anyone does the deed on Trump, everybody's going to CYA to show they weren't the ones who dropped the ball.
 
2017-08-23 03:18:30 PM  

born_yesterday: The Larch: Saiga410: Hanging signs at elevated levels to where the president will be passing by obscures the vision of spotters and gives cover.... yes it may have been innocuous or a rouse to create a blind.

Why did you post this? Are you a psychic vampire that feeds on people's mild irritation?

Contrarians gonna contrary.


Sorry, must get with the page.  It is amazing this woman got out of the interrogation room.  She could have easily gotten disappeared by schutzstaffel.
 
2017-08-23 03:23:17 PM  
Just remember folks

Danger to society:

img.fark.net


Good citizens exercising the right to free speech.

img.fark.net
 
2017-08-23 03:24:16 PM  

Rwa2play: Archidude: Rwa2play: Jake Havechek: This KGB shiat is unacceptable.  Fark you NYPD pig cops.  Fark you, Trump.

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for this, but I'm gonna defend the NYPD and the SS here.  They're doing their jobs for better and for worse.

The fact they're doing it on such a hyper-sensitive level owes a lot to Donald Trump.   He's a farking moronic man-child and people hate him because of that.

"We were just folllowing orders" isn't an acceptable defense.

"Cover Your Ass" is however.  If anyone does the deed on Trump, everybody's going to CYA to show they weren't the ones who dropped the ball.


Yeah, Obama,was so universally beloved that the SS had nothing to really worry about. I forgot.
 
2017-08-23 03:24:24 PM  

bdub77: Gosh, remember when we actually had unalienable rights and freedoms in this country?


There was never a time when sneaking a bulky item through a security checkpoint into an area on alert against threats wouldn't get you pulled aside for an hour or so of conversation with a cop or three, to verify that other more dangerous items aren't also being snuck in if nothing else.  There has also never been a point where the Secret Service existed where they wouldn't follow up on incident reports (i.e. doing background checks of people showing up in suspicious locations or trying to bypass security).

This was all 100% reasonable on the part of law enforcement, and it's pretty clearly the protester being hysterical.  I mean, presenting "the cops pointed out that calling in my lawyer might take a minute" as if it were a threat is clearly outside the realm of a reasonable objection, regardless of how much the perspective of TFA is obviously tilted toward the protester's.

// The questions about firearms were kind of "for obvious reasons", and the questions about suicidal tendencies are, I think, legally obligatory in some fashion, I've been asked them every time I've been detained.

// It's hard not to be... caustic about a woman with white privilege stuffed so far up her ass that she complains about being detained, which is a reasonable thing the cops are supposed to do with suspicious characters doing intentionally suspicious things, as if she'd actually been arrested.  farking rich people, man.
 
2017-08-23 03:26:03 PM  
While in Iraq (serving in the Army) I was part of a team of soldier's that would "tactically questions" detainee's while out on missions. I found it to be extremely uncomfortable, especially since it was usually targeted at innocent people that would inevitably know something about someone that was actually a "bad guy." I almost think that's probably what was going on here, at least to some extent. They most likely knew that she was small potatoes, but maybe had an in with someone of significance. At any rate, it surprises me to no end that people can willfully take a career in fields that involve doing this to their fellow citizen's. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
 
2017-08-23 03:35:02 PM  

gilgigamesh: The answer to every question she was asked should have been a question. "Am I being detained?" If they say no, "Then am I free to go?" If they say no to that or yes to the first question, ask, "What charges am I being detained on?"


I think this leaves out some of the nuances between "detained" and "arrested". From the little I grasp of the topic (mostly from the classic People v. Foranyic, with a little glance at the US v Sharpe), detained only requires reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, and further may not require a specific crime.

gilgigamesh: Also there is a useful declarative, one word response to all questions: "Lawyer."


And incidentally, any Political Action group that plans this sort of shennanigans without having an attorney on standby at T-minus-zero seems grossly irresponsible.
 
2017-08-23 03:37:17 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-23 03:37:49 PM  

Jim_Callahan: This was all 100% reasonable on the part of law enforcement, and it's pretty clearly the protester being hysterical.


Hmm...Well she was acting well within her rights, so why do you think-

Jim_Callahan: The questions about firearms were kind of "for obvious reasons", and the questions about suicidal tendencies are, I think, legally obligatory in some fashion, I've been asked them every time I've been detained.


Well that explains everything.

/Never ever had questions about suicidal tendencies asked when I've been stopped by police, even at demonstrations.
 
2017-08-23 03:42:56 PM  
Creepy and potentially a waste of time?  Yes.

That said, I mean, it's the POTUS.  One does not @#$% with the POTUS and not expect the Secret Service to at least question you and rattle your cage a bit.  See if you are a danger.

Sounds to me like they were doing their jobs and her rights were in no way violated.  Could be, naturally, wrong.
 
2017-08-23 03:44:43 PM  
That's farked up, if true, but I don't see any corroboration.
 
2017-08-23 03:45:11 PM  

Jim_Callahan: hysterical


Revealing word choice.
 
2017-08-23 03:54:59 PM  

Rucker10: They most likely knew that she was small potatoes, but maybe had an in with someone of significance.


Significance in what, precisely?
 
2017-08-23 04:01:15 PM  

Sandelaphon: Rucker10: They most likely knew that she was small potatoes, but maybe had an in with someone of significance.

Significance in what, precisely?


The person looking to impress Jodie Foster?
 
2017-08-23 04:02:09 PM  

Karac: Girl From The North Country: For hanging a banner she gets detained by the Secret Service, questioned, has to sign a waiver to release her health records, then has her neighborhood canvassed.

I can see some added scrutiny because of the location, but it's a banner for crying out loud.

If Trump didn't want people coming into his house, sipping some coffee, and calling him out for being a Nazi apologist, then he shouldn't have leased part of the first floor to Starbucks.


he could also try not praising nazis, especially if he needs that sweet, sweet starbucks rent to tide him over between bouts of money laundering for russian kleptocrats
 
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