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(Washington Post)   A handy guide that shows what percentage of your life the U.S. has been at war. If you're 15 or younger, it's 100%   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2017-08-22 12:59:21 PM  
I think the clear lesson here is that younger people are simply warmongers.
 
2017-08-22 01:16:18 PM  
I wish someone had given a handy guide to my girlfriend when I was 15.
 
2017-08-22 01:53:31 PM  
It's pretty insulting actually to acknowledge the War on Terror in the same breath as Vietnam or Korea.

It's not even a "police action," it's constant militarism.

We should be voting this shiat out of office.
 
2017-08-22 03:45:23 PM  
That only covers the more major wars, there were others.  Also technically we're still at war with best Korea.
 
2017-08-22 06:34:21 PM  

whidbey: It's pretty insulting actually to acknowledge the War on Terror in the same breath as Vietnam or Korea.

It's not even a "police action," it's constant militarism.

We should be voting this shiat out of office.


"[Vietnam] only made billionaires out of millionaires. [Iraq] is making trillionaires out of billionaires. Now I call that progress." -- Kurt Vonnegut
 
2017-08-22 06:39:09 PM  
We're fighting them over there:

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So that we don't have to fight them over here:

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2017-08-22 06:53:31 PM  
Maybe I'm just not good at graphs but I have no idea WTF that thing is trying to tell me.
 
2017-08-22 07:27:55 PM  
Yeah, but Afghanistan isn't a real war, with sacrifice and hearing about it daily.
 
2017-08-22 07:31:10 PM  

abhorrent1: Maybe I'm just not good at graphs but I have no idea WTF that thing is trying to tell me.


The two shades of blue are war vs peace; the red side is basically tracking which years of your life you were at war for. (The pink = no official wars, even though there's obviously stuff like Grenada, Bosnia, etc. in said gaps.)
 
2017-08-22 07:31:51 PM  

EvilEgg: Yeah, but Afghanistan isn't a real war, with sacrifice and hearing about it daily.


I think according to the graphs that's under conflict and war on terror. But yeah...should be labeled.
 
2017-08-22 07:33:17 PM  
All because George W. Bush couldn't be bothered to read a memo.
 
2017-08-22 07:36:08 PM  
Remember that the "War on Terror" is identical to the "War on Poverty" in terms of how long it will last.
It's just that the War on Poverty doesn't make the jackasses in office richer.
 
2017-08-22 07:36:54 PM  
19 or younger. How soon people forget Bosnia and The 'Vo. Kosovo is truly our longest war.
/been to The 'Stan also
 
2017-08-22 07:42:04 PM  
Read more for 99 cents? No, WP, I don't think so.
 
2017-08-22 07:44:56 PM  

Yoyo: 19 or younger. How soon people forget Bosnia and The 'Vo. Kosovo is truly our longest war.
/been to The 'Stan also


At least Kosovo served a noble purpose, ending a genocide, unlike Iraq which was the Haliburton enrichment Act (and gave us ISIS which has actually done damage in the US and Europe)
 
2017-08-22 07:45:37 PM  

whidbey: It's pretty insulting actually to acknowledge the War on Terror in the same breath as Vietnam or Korea.

It's not even a "police action," it's constant militarism.

We should be voting this shiat out of office.


Considering both major parties support this and people get shouted down to even suggest voting 3rd party, that's not going to happen.
 
2017-08-22 07:47:11 PM  
Can't view link in mobile. I assume the Cola War, Console Wars, and The War on Christmas (insert trademark symbol here) are all represented.
 
2017-08-22 07:49:29 PM  
I was born in 1975....41-some percent is bad enough.  A 16 year old who only knows this country at war is f*ckin depressing.
 
2017-08-22 07:51:17 PM  
We have always been at war with Eastasia
 
2017-08-22 07:52:44 PM  
Less than half!  I'm pleasantly surprised!  I'm also old.
 
2017-08-22 07:52:57 PM  
I go to war every time I wake up in the morning.

I am at peace only when I fall asleep at night.

And the next morning I get up and do it all over again.
 
2017-08-22 07:53:58 PM  
The War on Christmas started with the Puritans, didn't it? We have always been a War with the Holidays. Sorry. Holy steamroller days.
 
2017-08-22 07:55:53 PM  
Are we counting "The War on Drugs"? Just curious
 
2017-08-22 07:56:14 PM  
War. War sometimes changes depending on how long you've lived
 
2017-08-22 07:56:20 PM  
The USA hasn't waged a declared war since before the Korean Conflict. By not calling them wars, they can get away without having to obey the Geneva Conventions and other rules of "war".

The Last "Good" War was the last war, period.
 
2017-08-22 07:58:48 PM  

ambientlush: War. War sometimes changes depending on how long you've lived


War. War never changes.

/ don't use cars as cover. I did that once. It was bad
 
2017-08-22 07:59:19 PM  

mcsiegs: I was born in 1975....41-some percent is bad enough.  A 16 year old who only knows this country at war is f*ckin depressing.


It warps their world view. Service is seen as something holy now and when talking about their family members, they are sort of remark that some of their older family members didn't serve.
"My uncle was in the marines, and so was my older brother, but my dad didn't serve" is offered without prompting. 
(Had to deal with freshmen introductions all day)
 
2017-08-22 08:01:15 PM  
Perpetual war is an excellent population control.
 
2017-08-22 08:02:25 PM  
Don't know if there is a thread for this observation or not, so I will place it here on the top of the current pile:

A Global TV news story about the Edinburgh Fringe festival showed one of the concession stands, a coffee stand.

The sign asks the consumer the magical question:  Cofefe?

Zing!  They parody Starbucks and Trump with one throw-away line!

So that's what that means.

Too Full of Coffee Man approved this message.
 
2017-08-22 08:03:43 PM  

Jake Havechek: Perpetual war is an excellent population control.


Not as good a prosperity, though. Nothing like money to turn middle class Cathies into upper-middle class Protties.
 
2017-08-22 08:04:23 PM  
Handy guide who gets  $$$ for voting war.
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2017-08-22 08:05:46 PM  

thehobbes: mcsiegs: I was born in 1975....41-some percent is bad enough.  A 16 year old who only knows this country at war is f*ckin depressing.

It warps their world view. Service is seen as something holy now and when talking about their family members, they are sort of remark that some of their older family members didn't serve.
"My uncle was in the marines, and so was my older brother, but my dad didn't serve" is offered without prompting. 
(Had to deal with freshmen introductions all day)


All Horatius at the Bridge and no Slaughterhouse-Five? Huh. It's almost like teenagers have difficulty with the concept of mortality.....
 
2017-08-22 08:06:57 PM  
technically the korean war isn'over
 
2017-08-22 08:08:43 PM  
Here's a handy definition: The U.S. is at war if more Americans die in combat than either of these metrics: 1) car accidents 2) violent crime or 3) drug overdose.  Another metric is if there is an active draft sending troops into combat.  Believing the hype that we're "at war" doesn't match the state of readiness or anxiety of WW1, WW2, Korea or Vietnam.  The Cold War with nuclear fallout shelters and drills was more focused on war than we have been since 1990.  The War on Drugs has more American casualties than any combat.  Giving millenials baement lodging cover for being unable to cope in the most prosperous and stress free years in history is downright nutty.
 
2017-08-22 08:12:03 PM  
I bet that WaPo article is pretty interesting.
 
2017-08-22 08:18:23 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: technically the korean war isn'over


Actually, that's what I find most interesting about this. The defining down of war.

Wars, in short, just ain't what they used to be. These days, what once would practically be considered a bar fight is now a "war", with all the attendant hand wringing.
 
2017-08-22 08:21:32 PM  
And the war with Washington Post's subscription service continues.
 
2017-08-22 08:23:53 PM  

Jake Havechek: Perpetual war is an excellent population control.


Not at all the trivialize the loss of life in war, but 2000 lives lost over a 14 year conflict isn't much of a population control method.
 
2017-08-22 08:25:33 PM  

mcsiegs: I was born in 1975....41-some percent is bad enough.  A 16 year old who only knows this country at war is f*ckin depressing.


I was 13 when the War on Terror began. I came of age with it.
 
2017-08-22 08:29:33 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Jake Havechek: Perpetual war is an excellent population control.

Not at all the trivialize the loss of life in war, but 2000 lives lost over a 14 year conflict isn't much of a population control method.


Sure it is.  Bush got 6,000 killed in his phony Iraq war and the Republicans never apologized, nor did they care.  Just sent more people to the abattoir in the guise of "patriotism".  And they went willingly.
 
2017-08-22 08:39:42 PM  
Whenever I read a headline like this I scratch my head and think, "We're at war?"  As so many others have said, we're not technically at war, and most of us are not acting like we're at war.  Aside from those serving and their immediate families and friends, people at home are hardly impacted by the war.  This feels far more like a protracted Grenada than a WW I, WW II, or even Korea/Vietnam (with the lack of the draft and the vastly reduced death count for US troops).  So, I don't know...  The present feels a lot like my youth with its various invasions and attacks (Grenada, Panama, Libya bombings, etc.) than it does anything else.
 
2017-08-22 09:02:24 PM  
I think a more meaningful set of metrics would be....

The % of the population *forced* via draft to fight, per year
The % of the population in active combat zones, per year

We haven't had a draft in a long time, and that's a great thing
The size of our military has been on the decline for a while
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So a smaller percentage of the US population is directly impacted by the military actions of the US.  The % involved in combat by year would be really handy, I think.  No disrespect to the military, but if you take away the 'combat zone' aspect of it, it's just a pretty sweet job.

I don't care if a piece of paper says we're at war with North Korea, if nobody is attacking, so what?  And you can call it a police action, but if I'm drafted to go fight, well, that's a war in my eyes.
 
2017-08-22 09:07:09 PM  
An even 50%. Hurray for the military industry!
 
2017-08-22 09:13:09 PM  
Every time we have one of these threads it amazes me how many people don't think a war counts unless you use the word "declare."

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2017-08-22 09:27:00 PM  

nekom: That only covers the more major wars, there were others.  Also technically we're still at war with best Korea.


Yeah, if we are counting Korea then it's 100 percent for everone 67 and younger.
 
2017-08-22 09:36:16 PM  

nekom: That only covers the more major wars, there were others.  Also technically we're still at war with best Korea.


shiat at 57 I'm 100% my uncle was a tank commander in Korea and Chicago (68).
 
2017-08-22 09:42:19 PM  

bigdog1960: nekom: That only covers the more major wars, there were others.  Also technically we're still at war with best Korea.

shiat at 57 I'm 100% my uncle was a tank commander in Korea and Chicago (68).


Well am 60% by chart Korea and Chicago withstanding
 
2017-08-22 09:54:55 PM  

whidbey: It's pretty insulting actually to acknowledge the War on Terror in the same breath as Vietnam or Korea.

It's not even a "police action," it's constant militarism.

We should be voting this shiat out of office.


The Constitution expressly forbids a standing army.  Without a declared war, there would not be a military.
 
2017-08-22 09:58:19 PM  
There are some stunningly inept "definitions" of war here.
 
2017-08-22 10:01:28 PM  

Allen. The end.: There are some stunningly inept "definitions" of war here.


Starting with the belief that we are at war.
 
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