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(MLive.com)   This week's award for most delicate snowflake goes to ... MLB umpires   ( mlive.com) divider line
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2017-08-20 01:45:11 PM  
Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.
 
2017-08-20 01:51:45 PM  
Funny how this is THE THING that is getting a guy blocked. Not drugs nor wife beating nor animal abuse nor cheating nor a handful of other bad shiat that guys have done. No, they're going after the guy that just sits there doing nothing.
 
2017-08-20 01:52:06 PM  

edmo: Funny how this is THE THING that is getting a guy blocked. Not drugs nor wife beating nor animal abuse nor cheating nor a handful of other bad shiat that guys have done. No, they're going after the guy that just sits there doing nothing.


wrong thread $%&$&@$@
 
2017-08-20 02:19:25 PM  

edmo: wrong thread $%&$&@$@


You're the best thing that ever happened to this thread.
 
2017-08-20 02:24:04 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


I think the rising generation is against the idea that being in a position of authority doesn't mean you shouldn't be held accountable. NFL refs are part time employees yet their mistakes have consequences for players' careers, short-lived as those are. MLB umpires can show up players all they want but if a player questions their poor judgment they get tossed. And let's not forget NBA refs fix games. When people like umpires are free to douche it up it's fair play to call them snowflakes when they whine about valid criticism.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2017-08-20 03:08:40 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


In this case they are being snowflakes. If they put as much effort into teaching Chris Segal where the strike zone was as they did having their fee-fees hurt, baseball would be much better for it.
 
2017-08-20 04:40:56 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


This is about umpires who think they're more infallible than the pope.
 
2017-08-20 04:50:04 PM  
Ha, nice timing. I read an article on this and subsequently hopped on over here and there is a different article on the same story.

Joe West is a douchebag. The guy is routinely named in the top three of worst umps in various polls conducted of players.

Linking for expediency now that I'm done pooping.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBaseballUmps/status/898990214479085569
 
2017-08-20 04:53:37 PM  
(Wonders if this is about Angel Hernandez)....
(Reads article)

Yep

Angel Hernandez is a serious cancer on baseball.  He's a shiaty umpire, complains that he hasn't gotten promoted while being a terrible ump and calls it racism, and now he wants every other umpire to show up a player that called him out for being a shiaty ump.

I agree with Kinsler, he should just quit
 
2017-08-20 05:28:49 PM  
Thank fark Bob Davidson isn't around anymore.
 
2017-08-20 05:38:04 PM  

WoodyHayes: Ha, nice timing. I read an article on this and subsequently hopped on over here and there is a different article on the same story.

Joe West is a douchebag. The guy is routinely named in the top three of worst umps in various polls conducted of players.

Linking for expediency now that I'm done pooping.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBaseballUmps/status/898990214479085569


I wonder if they ever poll all the umpires about the three most spoiled players?
 
2017-08-20 05:41:25 PM  

bkinne: (Wonders if this is about Angel Hernandez)....
(Reads article)

Yep

Angel Hernandez is a serious cancer on baseball.  He's a shiaty umpire, complains that he hasn't gotten promoted while being a terrible ump and calls it racism, and now he wants every other umpire to show up a player that called him out for being a shiaty ump.

I agree with Kinsler, he should just quit


Greinke walks in a run on four straight balls--Angel Hernandez's strike zone pictured.

No one hates you because they're racist, Angel... they hate you because you suck and you're a prick.  And now we can add race-baiting whiner to your list of character flaws.
 
2017-08-20 05:59:42 PM  
That's it, hockey fight rules!  Drop gloves, and the fight last till someone is knocked down, then both parties are marched off the field for 5 minutes.  They'll have to have extra umps for this, and it will end snowflakes.

/mind ya 5 minutes in baseball is like two pitches.
//one pitch if it's one the top pitchers on the mound
 
2017-08-20 06:01:59 PM  
The thing that cracks me up about this is that they are doing a job that can be easily replaced by a computer. How about you check your horribly over-inflated egos and just be thankful you still have any sort of power over the game.
 
2017-08-20 06:22:10 PM  
They picked a hell of a time to protest, on the eve of automation rendering them obsolete. That and choosing the wrong umpire to white knight. Hernandez is an embarrassment.

Umpires: we wear these bands to protest people not respecting our authoritah!

Entire world: that's very nice dear, now fark off.
 
2017-08-20 06:27:24 PM  
If your protest is over conditions for yourselves or other people, then great, let's talk.

If your protest is because people said mean things about you, then lol no.
 
2017-08-20 07:06:25 PM  
Umpire Lives Matter, dammit.
 
2017-08-20 07:38:59 PM  
 
2017-08-20 07:48:19 PM  

mikaloyd: WoodyHayes: Ha, nice timing. I read an article on this and subsequently hopped on over here and there is a different article on the same story.

Joe West is a douchebag. The guy is routinely named in the top three of worst umps in various polls conducted of players.

Linking for expediency now that I'm done pooping.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBaseballUmps/status/898990214479085569

I wonder if they ever poll all the umpires about the three most spoiled players?


I'm sure polls of refs/umps have been done though I wonder about the participation rate due to professional ethics meaning something to some of them.

If it matters I saw something about the umps calling it off and talking to Tony Scali tomorrow.
 
2017-08-20 08:18:49 PM  

Bootysama: The thing that cracks me up about this is that they are doing a job that can be easily replaced by a computer. How about you check your horribly over-inflated egos and just be thankful you still have any sort of power over the game.


They may start using tech at the major-league level, but that's an expense you're not going to see below maybe AAA and the College World Series.  Hell, they can't afford to pay umps worth a shiat at most levels below the majors.
 
2017-08-20 08:22:36 PM  
I'd just like to point out that umps were shot and killed multiple times during the 19th century, so maybe they shouldn't be complaining about the "historical" mistreatment of officials.
 
2017-08-20 08:24:48 PM  
I dunno, from the article, it looked like the Tigers were the whiniest little b*tches on the field.
 
2017-08-20 08:31:04 PM  
Perhaps Angel can wear his white wristband over his eyes - might actually improve his performance.  The umpiring fraternity is boned if Hernandez is the one they're putting in the spotlight to plead their case.
 
2017-08-20 08:54:31 PM  
Angel Hernandez, you are terrible at your job, and it is even more despicable that you are trying to use the race card to deflect any criticism thrown out at you.  You need to shut up or one day, one of these players is going to punch you in the mouth.  They'll get suspended, sure, but not as long as you'll like, because all the commissioner will do is sit you down and play every clip of you on YouTube where you blow a call, throw someone out for irritating you, or just waste space.

Probably should have just put a bullseye on your chest, pal, kos you just made this about yourself.
 
2017-08-20 08:58:44 PM  

rjakobi: Angel Hernandez, you are terrible at your job, and it is even more despicable that you are trying to use the race card to deflect any criticism thrown out at you.  You need to shut up or one day, one of these players is going to punch you in the mouth.  They'll get suspended, sure, but not as long as you'll like, because all the commissioner will do is sit you down and play every clip of you on YouTube where you blow a call, throw someone out for irritating you, or just waste space.

Probably should have just put a bullseye on your chest, pal, kos you just made this about yourself.


CB Bucknor seen smiling off to the side.
 
2017-08-20 09:42:04 PM  

rjakobi: You need to shut up or one day, one of these players is going to punch you in the mouth.


Let the record show that I am not in favor of punching umps, only opposing players.
 
2017-08-20 09:43:43 PM  

IAmRight: I dunno, from the article, it looked like the Tigers were the whiniest little b*tches on the field.


Username does NOT check out
 
2017-08-20 09:43:48 PM  
I guessed Joe west at fir but not surprised in the least to see Angel Hernandez' name in there.

Fark both of those guys.
 
2017-08-20 09:50:02 PM  
I present for your enjoyment Steve McMichael's opinion on the issue at hand.  Extra bonus of a wild finish of a game from 15 or so years ago.

Steve McMichael / Angel Hernandez - Craziest Baseball Finish Ever
Youtube 6htcE_vvZxg
 
2017-08-20 10:22:57 PM  

johnny_vegas: IAmRight: I dunno, from the article, it looked like the Tigers were the whiniest little b*tches on the field.

Username does NOT check out


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2017-08-21 12:32:50 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


If only they were empowered to do something about it.  We can dream I guess.
 
2017-08-21 12:35:29 AM  
It seems that the umpires whose names I know always seem to be shiatty.

I've known Angel's name for years.

/umpires are kinda like children
//in more ways than one
///one is 'should be seen and not heard' (you lnow what I mean
////the other is.... like children
 
2017-08-21 05:20:55 AM  
Isn't kicking dirt on each other's feet and then throwing the bum out of the game the best part of umping?
 
2017-08-21 05:28:09 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


There are a few problems here.

One is that although in theory umpires can be "accountable" for mistakes, the only thing anyone ever hears of in terms of that accountability is maybe not letting somebody work the postseason. When a game can turn on an umpire's call, and every game matters, that's not enough.

Another is the stark difference between baseball and other sports. If you look elsewhere, you see plenty of lighter/smaller penalties officials can issue to deal with an infraction or get someone to cool it and stop arguing. In baseball, they have only a massive blunt weapon: ejection from the game. While there are cases in which an umpire is supposed to add an automatic ball/strike to a count, award a base or call an automatic out, those lesser penalties are permitted only in certain narrowly-defined situations, while ejection -- the nuclear option -- is nearly always available and is far more commonly used.

Another is that, frankly, everyone on the field except the umpires knows and expects to get heckled if they screw up. Usually it's good-natured, sometimes it's frustrated, but it happens and everybody else out there manages to deal with it somehow. Umpires can and should deal with it, too, and the good ones often seem to know this. For example, when Wegner rung up Ben Zobrist on a controversial game-ending "strike three" a week or so ago, and the usually-reserved Zobrist turned to argue, it's very clear Wegner realized immediately he'd blown the call and had earned a chewing-out over it. Compare to Davis' ejection of Adrián Beltré over the on-deck-circle dispute, where Davis -- who as far as I can tell from reading the rulebook had no grounds under MLB rules to enforce any specific location for Beltré to warm up -- felt the need to respond to a humorous defusing of his own blown call by continuing to, well, blow.

Yet another is inconsistency. Sometimes a player will give an umpire a look or even run his mouth a bit about a call and face nothing. Other times, a player gets immediately ejected for any response short of "Sir! Thank you, may I have another, Sir!" Even for a single umpire, the enforcement of "automatic" ejection for, say, arguing balls and strikes is inconsistent, and may be the only thing less consistent than the strike zone itself.

Finally, the odd carving-out of areas in which error is openly encouraged and celebrated is strange to me. We have the ability to put everything on a video screen in slow motion from multiple angles. Why not go all-in on it, and allow review of anything? The only argument people make is the general argument against any review at all -- that it slows the game -- and baseball seems to have managed all right with limiting the number of times a manager can require review. If an important at-bat is otherwise going to end with a "strike three" that was a foot off the plate, why should that be less reviewable than the same at-bat ending with a "tagged out" that was a foot away from actually tagging the player?
 
2017-08-21 08:26:20 AM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Not everyone who complains about something is a "snowflake." They have a very genuine grievance here. All levels of sports, from little elementary school kids all the way up to the highest levels of professional sports, have been experiencing a noticeable and alarming rise in hostility toward refs and umpires.


You really don't know what you're talking about, snowflake.
 
2017-08-21 08:31:29 AM  
I don't know why they are letting the umpires call the balls and strikes anymore.  It's obvious from watching any TV broadcast that cameras are better able to tell where the ball actually crossed the strike zone, and with much better consistency.

It would eliminate the arguing over balls and strikes while taking the frustration of how the strike zone fluctuates over the course of a game out of the equation.
 
2017-08-21 08:48:15 AM  
While Hernandez sucks ... Being one of probably four people who watched the Phils/Giants game yesterday I'm here to tell you that Adrian Johnson isn't much better as far as balls and strikes go.  Maybe he just had a bad day, but damn ,,. he was awful ... for both teams.
 
2017-08-21 08:53:57 AM  

FuManchu7: It's obvious from watching any TV broadcast that cameras are better able to tell where the ball actually crossed the strike zone, and with much better consistency.


This is not true at all. The technology is nowhere near as advanced as you think, especially considering the top and bottom of the strike zone vary with every hitter and sometimes on every pitch.

The umpires are crybabies with an inflated sense of importance but it's not entirely politics or tradition or whatever that is keeping us from using the broadcast pitch graphic full-time.
 
2017-08-21 09:13:00 AM  
Kinsler had "publicly and harshly impugned the character and integrity" of Hernandez.

hernandez does that all on his own
 
2017-08-21 09:21:28 AM  

ElwoodCuse: FuManchu7: It's obvious from watching any TV broadcast that cameras are better able to tell where the ball actually crossed the strike zone, and with much better consistency.

This is not true at all. The technology is nowhere near as advanced as you think, especially considering the top and bottom of the strike zone vary with every hitter and sometimes on every pitch.

The umpires are crybabies with an inflated sense of importance but it's not entirely politics or tradition or whatever that is keeping us from using the broadcast pitch graphic full-time.


I would place money that the technology right now, as is, would be more accurate than any umpire.  It's already been proven that umpires vary the size on the strike zone based on the score of the game, how well the pitcher has been doing, and if the batter is ahead or behind in the count.
 
2017-08-21 09:33:10 AM  

bkinne: (Wonders if this is about Angel Hernandez)....
(Reads article)

Yep

Angel Hernandez is a serious cancer on baseball.  He's a shiaty umpire, complains that he hasn't gotten promoted while being a terrible ump and calls it racism, and now he wants every other umpire to show up a player that called him out for being a shiaty ump.

I agree with Kinsler, he should just quit


Yeah, calling the MLB "racist" is laughable. From Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier, to 42.5% of the league being of color as of Opening Day 2017, MLB has been a vivid opponent of racism and ignorance. Angel Hernandez is just playing that card to hide the fact that he doesn't deserve a job umping, much less a promotion.

As for Joe West, he's long been an instigator and has a very wide strike zone. Worst of all, he's too quick to eject coaches and players.

I think now is a good time to automate the "human error" out of baseball, especially with the K zone.
 
2017-08-21 12:31:21 PM  
It's not like a player told him "You fell, you fat pig! Have another doughnut! Have another doughnut!."

/obsure?
//I hope not.
 
2017-08-21 03:18:16 PM  

Cubs300: I present for your enjoyment Steve McMichael's opinion on the issue at hand.  Extra bonus of a wild finish of a game from 15 or so years ago.

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/6htcE_vvZxg - 480x360]

I've always wondered how umpires can eject fans.
 
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