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2017-08-19 07:34:17 AM  
Oh fark off.  Seriously.
 
2017-08-19 07:36:23 AM  
2008 financial crisis is to blame

It began the fourth turning
 
2017-08-19 07:38:32 AM  
Is Political Journalism Dumb as F*ck?
 
2017-08-19 07:46:15 AM  
And there it is. The single stupidest statement I have read this week.
 
2017-08-19 07:46:23 AM  
The Tea Party and Fox News Channel is to blame.
 
2017-08-19 07:50:21 AM  

RJReves: And there it is. The single stupidest statement I have read this week.


And, quite frankly, this week has been chock full of derpy ass statements.
 
2017-08-19 08:15:02 AM  

RJReves: RJReves: And there it is. The single stupidest statement I have read this week.

And, quite frankly, this week has been chock full of derpy ass statements.


Gotta wonder where next week ends.
We can't stop here, this is batsheit country.
 
2017-08-19 08:15:55 AM  
That was well written. And the critique of Obama's presidency was oddly acerbic: I always hear trash talk about Obama's foreign policy and, once again, am not told the specific failures. And how did he belittle Morehouse graduates in his commencement speech? Where the author saw arrogance, I saw confidence and the courage of one's convictions.

And then the real kicker: Obama did not talk about race problems with enough finesse. You achieve the highest office in the land, demonstrate amazing leadership, decorum, and understanding, and oh, by the way, you also, in addition to everything else, must discuss race as the nation's therapist.
 
2017-08-19 08:18:27 AM  

cman: 2008 financial crisis is to blame

It began the fourth turning


Add on top of that about thirty years of neoliberal rule across the globe's industrialized countries that slowly starved everyone except for the top 1% (with the tippy-top of that 1% taking the lion's share of growth in that time) and less and less veiled deployment of racial grievance to misdirect people about the cause of their troubles.
 
2017-08-19 08:36:00 AM  
...or perhaps a President who employed WP chucklef*cks and who KEEPS employing WP chucklef*cks and told his own "base" that he'd pay for their legal costs if they beat folks for him might be encouraging these WP chucklef*cks to come out of the woodwork?

I know that might be an easy lesson, but encouraging WP chucklef*cks and giving them high profile positions IS pretty much a message that is hard to miss, even for myopic journalists who prefer to stare into their navels as opposed to actual country they live in.
 
2017-08-19 08:42:56 AM  

hubiestubert: ...or perhaps a President who employed WP chucklef*cks and who KEEPS employing WP chucklef*cks and told his own "base" that he'd pay for their legal costs if they beat folks for him might be encouraging these WP chucklef*cks to come out of the woodwork?

I know that might be an easy lesson, but encouraging WP chucklef*cks and giving them high profile positions IS pretty much a message that is hard to miss, even for myopic journalists who prefer to stare into their navels as opposed to actual country they live in.


They were there before shiatstain was elected. The Tea Party had many numbers of folks who were openly racist. To say that shiatstain caused the rise of white nationalists is to ignore our recent history.

The Tea Party came from a reaction of the election in 2008. The election of 2008 saw the GOP lose uberly. This was caused by multiple things: the financial crisis was the big one, the war in Iraq was another thing. Reagans GOP was dead, the voters said that much, and a power struggle began between the Reagan Republicans and the Tea Party assholes.
 
2017-08-19 09:11:11 AM  

cman: hubiestubert: ...or perhaps a President who employed WP chucklef*cks and who KEEPS employing WP chucklef*cks and told his own "base" that he'd pay for their legal costs if they beat folks for him might be encouraging these WP chucklef*cks to come out of the woodwork?

I know that might be an easy lesson, but encouraging WP chucklef*cks and giving them high profile positions IS pretty much a message that is hard to miss, even for myopic journalists who prefer to stare into their navels as opposed to actual country they live in.

They were there before shiatstain was elected. The Tea Party had many numbers of folks who were openly racist. To say that shiatstain caused the rise of white nationalists is to ignore our recent history.

The Tea Party came from a reaction of the election in 2008. The election of 2008 saw the GOP lose uberly. This was caused by multiple things: the financial crisis was the big one, the war in Iraq was another thing. Reagans GOP was dead, the voters said that much, and a power struggle began between the Reagan Republicans and the Tea Party assholes.


They were there. They were also NOT encouraged.

The TEA Party WAS a response to Obama--or rather, it was a fabrication created explicitly to "grass roots support" by a news network to give "voice" to the "forgotten"--but even in their creation myth, they weren't openly moving Nazi chucklef*cks into Administrations, or when it was attempted, folks suddenly realized that the country was NOT ready for WP motherf*ckers to openly opine for the long lost days of Jim Crow and even before that.

America has long had simmering racial tensions, especially as the fabric of this country changes. From the Zoot Suit Riots, to the Civil Rights Movement, and the Internment. We've had some dark chapters in our history, and the response to the Civil Rights Movement to put statues across the South to remind folks of color what their place was, those are hardly great days.

But we HAVE been moving forward. And it's been harder and harder for folks like David Duke to get open support. Even when there was a black man in the Big Chair. With the rise of Donnie and Crew, there was suddenly a candidate who openly employed and didn't rein in those elements, and actively encouraged them. Donnie didn't create them, but he encouraged them to the point where there are staffers flashing WP signs with one another as jokes. He openly employed WP motherf*ckers in his Administration. He openly employes WP apologists, and the one thing that these jackasses look for are openings. Don't denounce them immediately, they take that as a sing that they're all good to come out of their warrens. They're like hate filled gophers, poking their heads up every now and then to see if the coast is clear. And if you don't scare the bejeebus out of them IMMEDIATELY, they WILL go for your garden and muck it up. Because that's what they do.

Donnie didn't create the issues, but he encouraged them that they had political cover. That he was with them. And the fact that he took so long to denounce the violence even, that has only emboldened them.

I point to the example of Boston's punk/hardcore scene. There's a reason why you don't see a lot of skins in Boston's clubs. Because Boston's punk/hardcore scene stomped them flat every time they tried their sh*t. Again and again. Made it abundantly clear that NO ONE was going to stand for it. That if they wanted to go out, they had to leave that kicking the sh*t out of people and chanting their manifestos and slogans RIGHT out. It was NOT acceptable. In any way, shape or form.

As a nation, we've tried to be polite about things. We've tried to be civilized. We've tried to accommodate them. But ultimately, an agenda that wants to see this country fall into fascism and deny rights and kill and injure folks is not compatible with civil society. These are folks who thrive on causing fear to keep folks from speaking, from acting, from even living anything like a normal life. We have enough issues with race and divisions already, without skins, and their STILL poorly coiffed allies who think that growing their hair out will give them cover, getting into the mix.

Donnie didn't cause this mess. But for damn sure he encouraged it, and so did a good chunk of the GOP who DIDN'T nip this sh*t in the bud. It's part and parcel why I'm NOT a Republican any longer, because this is NOT acceptable. It is NOT a worthy agenda. And it was bad enough to give rise to apologists and not denounce organizations, think tanks and news media that promoted this mess, but to have a Presidential candidate who actively HIRED WP motherf*ckers, and showed zero shame when called on it? That only encouraged these chucklef*cks to not just pop their heads up, but to gather together, to move and plan to "take back their country" from nearly HALF the country's population.

It is long past time to show these stains the door. This is NOT acceptable in the least. And I WILL certainly lay blame on the folks encouraging these asshats, and certainly I will lay blame on the apologists who are too afraid to openly defy them because they don't want to lose out on racist dollars.
 
2017-08-19 09:23:47 AM  
Just dropped in to say I hope the events in Boston today don't turn violent again.
 
2017-08-19 09:33:11 AM  
He's still near eh?
 
2017-08-19 09:34:40 AM  
How dare Obama be black!
 
2017-08-19 09:35:16 AM  

RJReves: And there it is. The single stupidest statement I have read this week.


I DID see something on Facebook about 'if you want to take down a monument to slavery, start here' with a picture of the sign outside the Internal Revenue Service.  Complete with a 'Taxes are theft' hashtag.  Unfortunately, a friend Liked it.
 
2017-08-19 09:35:19 AM  
What do you mean, "No?"  Didn't you see how well-spoken he was?  Didn't you see how arrogant he was?  Didn't you see him eating argula and mozzarella and dijon mustard?  Don't you know how uppity that made him, to ordinary, hard-working, salt-of-the-earth Real American Value Voters?

I mean, with a skin color like that, how could anyone not question his very legitimacy as an American?

"No," indeed.  I scoff at you subby.  I scoff at you.
 
2017-08-19 09:38:00 AM  
Who's to blame when parties really get out of hand?
Who's to blame when they get poorly planned?
 
2017-08-19 09:38:18 AM  
Thanks, Michael Eric Dyson, for telling white folk that, indeed, a black man was to blame for racial animus in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis by saying he wasn't black enough.
 
2017-08-19 09:39:19 AM  
I feel a poem coming on...
shsmo.org

People say Republicans are racist

Because they act like facists

.

But, the KKK was created as we all know

By Democrats one hundred and fifty years ago

.

Forget that now, racists to a man

tend to vote Republican

.

because all their bigotry comes back

to Obama, because he insists on being black

.

Burma Shave

 
2017-08-19 09:39:52 AM  
Anyone who raises this as a serious question should be punched in the gonads until death occurs.
 
2017-08-19 09:40:14 AM  

kronicfeld: Is Political Journalism Dumb as F*ck?


No. Dumber
 
2017-08-19 09:41:48 AM  
FFSMS! You're STILL blaming the damn black man after 7 months of a rich white dudein charge. Do you have no farking shame whatsoever?
 
2017-08-19 09:41:57 AM  
"And yet, as much damage as Trump has wrought, as perilous and vexing as his bitterly ignorant views on race manage to be, Obama must be held to account for failing to sow as widely as he might have the seeds of racial justice."

And that's where I said fark you.
 
2017-08-19 09:42:47 AM  
Only in the sense that Obama being president drove racists so farking crazy they dropped the dog whistles for bullhorns. Obama being black itself was the issue, and if Obama can be faulted for being black then we can fault the sky for being blue.

This right wing stiff has been growing in the shadows for a while - the "men's rights" stuff, the racial stuff... One article I read said "hate is the new sex" in that it's the forbidden thing you do to rebel and look cool, and also what society represses and pretends we shouldn't do.

Well, now we have a legit target for hate. I hate neo-nazis. fark those guys.
 
2017-08-19 09:43:11 AM  
Oh these goddamn motherfarkers
 
2017-08-19 09:44:35 AM  
No, but he is responsible for The War Of 1812, dinosaurs going extinct, The Crusades, the fall of Rome, Caesar' assassination, The Bubonic Plague, Pet Rocks, the MC Hammer cartoon, Street Sharks, the Duke Nukem Forever fiasco, Gigli and Battletoads never getting a sequel.

/Something tells me there's Trumpers out there who'd take to the streets if someone told them all this, with Fox News and Alex Jones in tow, and Trump tweeting it like it were divine gospel.
 
2017-08-19 09:45:28 AM  
You could literally blame anything on Obama if you're willing to stretch enough.

-North Korea - He should've bombed them into oblivion long ago.
-Barcelona - He could have simply killed all Muslims and prevented it.
-Trump - A response to Obama.
-Tea Party - A response to Obama.
-Nazis - A response to Obama.
-Russian hacking - He should have nuked them long ago.
 
2017-08-19 09:45:31 AM  
By existing as a black president?  Maybe.

By anything he actually did? No way.
 
2017-08-19 09:46:13 AM  
Oh, for fark's sake.  Once more, with feeling:  you assholes won, get over it.
 
2017-08-19 09:46:31 AM  
No, the stupidest theory from the remedial section of my Facebook feed doesn't belong in the Washington Post.
 
2017-08-19 09:46:44 AM  
He just kept insisting on being Black. They warned him, but he persisted.
 
2017-08-19 09:47:36 AM  

12349876: By existing as a black president?  Maybe.

By anything he actually did? No way.


Mutants: 'What'd we ever do to you?'
'Friends of Humanity': 'You were BORN!'
 
2017-08-19 09:48:43 AM  
God damnit! A catalyst is not a blame. Obama is black. Period. It was the only thing he brought to the farking table besides being a classy statesman and fine representative of America that really offended racist people. He is not to blame that a bunch of racist, throwback, pieces of shiat lost their collective minds at the thought of a man presidenting while black, and doing it well. Would there be less tension now if Obama hadn't been president? It's debatable. It isn't debatable that he is the blame for a bunch of racists losing their minds because a black man was president. This shiat ain't on him.
 
2017-08-19 09:49:17 AM  
www.dcclothesline.com
 
2017-08-19 09:49:28 AM  
I've seen him on AM Joy multiple times and other NBC shows. He is virulently anti-Trump; I am not sure why he decided today was the day to act contrarian.

I still remember when Obama won the nomination, he made sure not to mention his blackness, then when Hillary won the nom, she made sure to laud her womanliness (justifiably and rightly so).  She could, he couldn't.

Dyson is so very wrong in just about all of his criticisms of Obama in that article.

However, all that said, Obama would read it, pause, dust his shoulder, and keep moving
 
2017-08-19 09:50:08 AM  
Someone once told me that there are a couple of types of leaders. There are those that form new paths and there are those that jump in front of a parade and claim they are leading it.

D2S is the second type, as are most politicians. They see a crowd and try to read it. Then they try to claim to speak for it.

Most politicians try to tame the crowd, because if they can, then they are powerful and will get donations. But this split focus causes crowds to slip away. The politician stops reading the crowd to focus on donors.
Donny never lost focus on the crowd and rather than tame it, he turned a large part of it into a wild beast.

Obama charmed and soothed his crowd. The other crowd got angrier and angrier. Then along came the orange menace to jump in front of the angry crowd and give it legitimacy.

So Trumpkin is a leader of sorts. Lets see what he continues to do with the angry crowd.

I am in favor of smashing the angry crowd as well as ridiculing them. I don't think any tools are off the table.

/meh. Semi-coherent.
 
2017-08-19 09:50:15 AM  
They only hit until you cry

Then something something liberal tears
 
2017-08-19 09:50:53 AM  
Funny they should write that. I just got into a facebook argument with someone trying to say the same thing. My response was to compare Trumps Charlottesville response to Obama's "More perfect union speech" that he gave after the Rev Wright controversy. There is no way you can read that speech and come away thinking what a racist asshole, which was what the majority of most sane people's reaction to Trump after Charlottesville.
 
2017-08-19 09:54:16 AM  
Those who voted Donald Trump for the LOLs also voted for Barack HUSSEIN Osama 'bin Bama ... for the same reason.

The policy wonk, the moran, and the anarchist each get one equal vote ... and only the policy wonk will defend that state of affairs.
 
2017-08-19 09:55:28 AM  

Alphax: 12349876: By existing as a black president?  Maybe.

By anything he actually did? No way.

Mutants: 'What'd we ever do to you?'
'Friends of Humanity': 'You were BORN!'


And this again.
 
2017-08-19 09:56:11 AM  

adamatari: Obama being black itself


mixed but unable to pass for white...really pissed them off
 
2017-08-19 09:57:03 AM  

Bowen: They only hit until you cry

Then something something liberal tears


I shouldn't ask, but do you live upstairs?

/vega
 
2017-08-19 09:57:39 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Just dropped in to say I hope the events in Boston today don't turn violent again.


I hope the anti-racist marchers stay calm or stay home.  Let the alt-righters wave their little placards and spout their hate as loud as their little lungs can.  We ought to watch and maybe shake our heads but don't give those chucklefarks any incidents for them to distract from their white nationalist slogans.
 
2017-08-19 09:58:02 AM  

Serious Black: cman: 2008 financial crisis is to blame

It began the fourth turning

Add on top of that about thirty years of neoliberal rule across the globe's industrialized countries that slowly starved everyone except for the top 1% (with the tippy-top of that 1% taking the lion's share of growth in that time) and less and less veiled deployment of racial grievance to misdirect people about the cause of their troubles.


Please define "neoliberal" for me, and please provide examples especially as pertains to disproportionate wealth distribution.  Not being snarky, just confused about words and their meaning.
 
2017-08-19 09:58:04 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2017-08-19 09:58:32 AM  
Eric Dyson is an asshole. What is it about half black/ half white activists who think they can speak unfiltered for the whole of Black humanity. Most mostly Black Blacks know that to be so forward in your indignation over Racism in American can invite really violent backlash, or at least cause  fascists like Daryl Gates to hold back policing in Black neighborhoods to prove their racists points about crime in the inner city without any of the subtle understanding required to grasp the complexity surrounding the issue.

I'm convinced that THIS is what's going on in Chicago. After the cops gunned down a 17 yr old for no particular cause and then faced Black community outrage, they then went on a deliberate slowdown of policing which is why the murder rate has skyrocketed, and yet you hear very little about it in the mainstream press.

Eric Dyson doesn't represent much of anything but his own POV
 
2017-08-19 10:00:04 AM  
FTA: It is a shame that he failed to engage race with the sensitivity, balance, candor, intricacy, insight and enormous comprehension of which he was capable. There were dire consequences when a man of superior talent failed to talk about race - though, it must be admitted, his supporters did him no favor by saying he was hemmed in and couldn't speak about such things because it would upset white folk.

He goes on to dismiss it, but that's OBVIOUSLY the right answer.

In his first term he was less circumspect and weighed in on racial issues a few times (eg; look at his response to these two stories) and it it always cost him - opened him up to a torrent of criticism from the media and hurt his poll numbers. He was smart enough to realize that there's a lot of whites out there who are happy to vote for a black president but don't want to hear that institutional racism still exists.

Dismissing that out of hand because you're mad Obama didn't preach social justice from the bully pulpit won't make it any less true.
 
2017-08-19 10:01:23 AM  
The Jackie Robinson of politics. All class and grace. It is beyond disgusting how awful his successor has been. One proved all men can govern us and the other is showing that skin color and money is all it takes for some people.
 
2017-08-19 10:01:50 AM  
No, this is just the GOP being what the GOP has been for almost thirty years. Trump just ripped off the klan mask and uses a bullhorn insteas if the usual dog whistle.

This is the true Republican party. Now the interesting thing will be what happens with the Republican voter who aren't so eager to hold torches.
Do they stay home.
Do they claim to be independent  but vote R anyway.
Or do tgey try to save their party from becoming the American nazi party?

Time will tell.
 
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